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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2012, 10:45:19 PM »
Thank you steve.  At least I know I am not the only one that thinks that way.  Everyone gets mad at me in chat when I say it is a loss, but my definition has always been, unless the full 50k is won, it is not a win in plinko.  I know most chatters call it a win, but I don't. I know I will probably get blasted for the comment, but I am sticking to my guns on that.

We don't just get on you in chat for that. We get on you for your constant pessimistic view of life as a whole.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2012, 10:47:11 PM »
I'm sorry that most of the board and our trusty recapper have decided to change the definition of a win for today.

Everybody needs to take a minute and think about why there is such pressure for this to be done.  There have been plenty of other shows that Plinko has been in and the $10k slot has been hit, and nobody makes a peep when these are declared Tech Losses (see here).   

Is it because of a lack of perfect shows in the last few years, and we take what we can get?  This should be no reason to lower our standards for one single show.  The show wasn't perfect, and I'm alright with that. 

Is it because Plinko is too hard to "win", and the definition should be changed entirely?  This is a separate debate from today's show, but it's going to be tough to draw the line.  There are other games that are difficult to win as well.

Right now, the rules state that if the announced prize at the beginning of a cash game is not won, then the game is lost.  If you change this, then it opens up the possiblity of $8,000 Bag "wins" and $10,000 Rent "wins".  The definition as stated is clear enough to allow for this not to happen because it is functional across all of the games.

I have no problem with the term Tech Loss, or this statement appearing in green.  I do have an issue with Plinko being counted as won in the final show results, like today or this recap.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #32 on: June 04, 2012, 10:51:34 PM »
I'm sorry that most of the board and our trusty recapper have decided to change the definition of a win for today.

Everybody needs to take a minute and think about why there is such pressure for this to be done.  There have been plenty of other shows that Plinko has been in and the $10k slot has been hit, and nobody makes a peep when these are declared Tech Losses (see here).

First I've heard of that.

Seriously, you probably don't remember this, Flerbert, having only been a member here during the Carey era, but this exact same argument comes up every time a show plays out this way.  The right answer is always the same ("No, Plinko wasn't won, so it's not a perfect show"), but it never goes away.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2012, 10:54:04 PM »
I couldn't really care less whether Plinko is considered a win or a loss today, but tell me this ...

If you consider a win $50,000 on Plinko, that's your prerogative.  Ditto if you consider $10,000 a win.  Shoving it down others' throats that how you view the show is the only correct way makes you look like a tool.  I see it as just an escalation of mt0708 proclaiming tech wins willy-nilly, but regarding a different point of the show.

If you don't like Vader's recap, you can always print it out and white-out that part.  If you have Roger Dobkowitz on your side; hey, that's cool.  I could flaunt contacts I have too, but it doesn't do me much good.  (Not to mention he isn't on the show anymore.)
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2012, 11:02:47 PM »
I don't really give a rat's ass about what Drew and Mike think.  I have Roger on my side of the argument.

2 against 1 :)

Also, why should what the former Executive Producer thinks matter here and now :roll:

I'm sorry that most of the board and our trusty recapper have decided to change the definition of a win for today.

I'd like to point out I have always thought Plinko was a win when $10K was won, leaving in "TECH LOSS" was just to keep Kitch's recaps the same as they usually are, and just something I didn't feel like taking out and changing.

The right answer is always the same ("No, Plinko wasn't won, so it's not a perfect show"), but it never goes away.

There is no right answer. There is what some people think is right, and what others think is right.

If you want to make your own recap and call it a loss and a 5/6 show then go ahead but in the future, I will be recapping all Plinko $10K slot wins as "wins"
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2012, 11:24:49 PM »
I don't really give a rat's ass about what Drew and Mike think.  I have Roger on my side of the argument.
Well you know what; if Roger made up the definition to what a "win" is, and didn't at least think to add a caveat for Plinko, especially after its 600th playing (and so called loss), then maybe he's wrong (did that just come out of my mouth?).

The game will never be won, and to have it show up on any show and somehow be the end all be all "This show isn't going to be perfect" proof isn't cutting it for me anymore.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2012, 11:49:22 PM »
Also, why should what the former Executive Producer thinks matter here and now :roll:

Because he had a brain, and Mike doesn't.  Also, he was the one who bothered to keep the stats, so he gets to make the definitions.

I'd like to point out I have always thought Plinko was a win when $10K was won,

Then you've always been wrong.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying this to force you to change it.  Capitano consistently got it wrong because he felt like it, and you're perfectly welcome to, as well.  Consistently doing it doesn't make it not be wrong, though.

There is no right answer.

Uh, yes, there is.  It was confirmed for us many years ago.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2012, 11:51:34 PM »
Also, he was the one who bothered to keep the stats
So Plinko was logged as an all-time 0-fer in the DOB's stats, for real?
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2012, 11:58:11 PM »
Because he had a brain, and Mike doesn't.  Also, he was the one who bothered to keep the stats, so he gets to make the definitions.

Then you've always been wrong.

Don't get me wrong -- I'm not saying this to force you to change it.  Capitano consistently got it wrong because he felt like it, and you're perfectly welcome to, as well.  Consistently doing it doesn't make it not be wrong, though.

Uh, yes, there is.  It was confirmed for us many years ago.

...Sigh.

If you consider a win $50,000 on Plinko, that's your prerogative.  Ditto if you consider $10,000 a win.  Shoving it down others' throats that how you view the show is the only correct way makes you look like a tool. I see it as just an escalation of mt0708 proclaiming tech wins willy-nilly, but regarding a different point of the show.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2012, 12:04:46 AM »
Vader, quoting DJTorgo does not make you right, nor does it make him right.  The rules are what they are.  I'm not repeating them to force my "opinion" down people's throats; I'm repeating them because they're the damn rules.  You can't just make them not be facts by declaring out of nowhere that they're opinions.

So Plinko was logged as an all-time 0-fer in the DOB's stats, for real?

Having never seen the legals for Plinko, I'm not even sure if that game has a "Win" or "Loss" marker...it might just have an entry for how much was won, or for what each chip landed in.  I assure you, though, that it was never marked as being fully won.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #40 on: June 05, 2012, 12:08:12 AM »
Vader, quoting DJTorgo does not make you right, nor does it make him right.  The rules are what they are.  I'm not repeating them to force my "opinion" down people's throats; I'm repeating them because they're the damn rules.  You can't just make them not be facts by declaring out of nowhere that they're opinions.

Of course, I say that nobody is right, and you're trying to say I'm trying to be right, that makes sense.

Listen, this is getting out of hand and wasting recap thread space that can be used for other things.

You can think it's a Loss, I can think it's a Win. LIFE MOVES ON.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #41 on: June 05, 2012, 12:36:14 AM »
Having never seen the legals for Plinko, I'm not even sure if that game has a "Win" or "Loss" marker...it might just have an entry for how much was won, or for what each chip landed in.  I assure you, though, that it was never marked as being fully won.

I'm inclined to go along with this thinking, because every show I've ever seen where five games were won and Plinko (or for that matter, Punchboard, if $10,000 was not won) was played, it was always summed up pretty much like this: "We had a good day today. 5 games won and XXXX given away in Plinko." Note that "five games won out of six games played was not said, so it wasn't a complete loss (and obviously not a complete win either). It's almost as if, for win/loss purposes, they played five games and Plinko. However, I've heard it said on more than one show that such occasions could not be called a perfect show because the cash game was "not a complete win" (the announced top prize was not given away).

I'm sticking with what's always been called a perfect show up until this point. So for me, today we had 5 games won and a good amount of money given away in Plinko. Nothing more, nothing less. Others certainly have a right to their opinion or to call this a perfect show if they so desire. That's fine too.

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #42 on: June 05, 2012, 12:38:33 AM »
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #43 on: June 05, 2012, 01:13:38 AM »
First and foremost, I think win-wise today's show was fantastic.
Second, the fact that $10K was won in Plinko only stands as a win HERE and nowhere else.  It's in the Bible that Plinko is only won when $50k is won.

Now that we have that out of the way, lemme proffer this:

I find it very VERY telling that Drew would think it was a "clean sweep" (all games won according to him) when this is the only place in America that would even argue such a fact.

So there.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/4/2012
« Reply #44 on: June 05, 2012, 01:39:51 AM »
As I posted in a thread in TiR discussing the same thing, the rules regarding counting a $10K hit in Plinko as a WIN here at the Road most likely stems from the original rules set by the original FPG runner so that people picking Plinko wouldn't automatically have to call a LOSS when predicting the game.