TPiR Recap - 4/26/2013 (Big Money Week: Day V)

[vadernader]

How "MUCH" more likely are you, exactly? I'd like to see some solid statistics from some Plinko playings based on the Slot dropped from. Not any Computer Simulations, but actual Plinko drops from the Show.

I don't know exactly. I'm just going by what I usually see happen on the show when I watch it.

For what it is worth, my post (and that question) was directed at TPiRighetous' post which I quoted.

What I'm wondering is if there's a statistic to prove that center-gunning is a bad idea, or if there's a better way to do it.

So your response to me asking for statistics that prove something is to ask me for statistics that prove otherwise? I honestly have no clue where these statistics would be, I've tried looking but to no avail.

It's also to note that the chip does not hit the exact center of each peg, again, taking away from the 50/50 theory.

Do chips tend to go the left, or to the right?

I'm honestly not sure how you reasonably expect me to answer that. (Unless it was rhetorical.)

That's a bold claim, claiming that everyone on this website and off this website would fall to pressure. Do you assume that I would fall to this pressure if I was playing?

There's a difference between "falling" to pressure and having it get to someone. It would absolutely get to anyone, not everyone would "fall" to it, though.

I think the bolder statement would be if you said you would not let the pressure of playing for $500,000 get to you.

my excitement began to turn more towards shades of frustration that the chips were clinging towards the edges, but this wasn't directed at the contestant herself, just what the chips in general were doing,

that the contestant never even gave the middle at least one chance.

part of that rooting was trying to fruitlessly tell her telepathically to use the center already!

(Bolded to show the key points I'm referring to)

Those statements directly contradict each other.

When you say that she shouldn't be cursed, I think you're preaching to the choir, since the one person that really did seem to be yelling was swiftly dealt with. I, for one, was rooting for her all the way.

I didn't say everyone was cursing her, nor did I say everyone was rooting against her, I said the general feeling should be sadness that she didn't win, not anything related to the fact of where she placed her chips or how she could have won if she placed her chips in this slot or that slot. (I said "anything like that" because I could not think of the proper terms for other feelings, but I figured it would be understood what I meant.)

Yeah, I think the guy in Punch-a-Bunch should have Punched 3,9, but I'm not going to blame him for not punching it

That is because, again, I think these are:

things that mainly LFAT's (and Mathematicians) would know.

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So, having the contestant wipe out on the four prizes would be great television??

Yes, because then we could get to see Drew drop Plinko chips down the board to see where they would have gone!

Oh wait, this isn't Rat Race is it?

[MannyCav]

So your response to me asking for statistics that prove something is to ask me for statistics that prove otherwise? I honestly have no clue where these statistics would be, I've tried looking but to no avail.

Well, like I said, restraints of time keep me from being too involved here, or posting in every recap thread. I like discussing The Price Is Right, and I'll do so especially for key moments, but I don't have the time to do something like the Punch a Bunch heat map in that one thread. I'm leaving that up to the people here that do have the time and resources to do something like that. Beyond that, I'm simply participate in discussions, share my thoughts, and back them up when I can.

I'm honestly not sure how you reasonably expect me to answer that. (Unless it was rhetorical.)

That was the point--I was responding to your claim by asking what was a serious question looking for a serious answer, with the idea being that you would either answer it, or be unable to.

There's a difference between "falling" to pressure and having it get to someone. It would absolutely get to anyone, not everyone would "fall" to it, though.

I think the bolder statement would be if you said you would not let the pressure of playing for $500,000 get to you.

For what it's worth, I don't think it would get to literally everyone. Most people, yes, but I'm sure there would at least be a (perhaps very) small minority that could cut through the pressure or ignore it enough to think rationally during the process of the game.

(Bolded to show the key points I'm referring to)

Those statements directly contradict each other.

I'm going to quote my paragraph in full in order to show removed context:

At a glance, I saw Manny in bold caps, and was about to fly off my rocker. Anyway, the one really annoying all caps message got deleted, and while I won't defend GuyWithFace's comment (I'll let him do that, if he even wants to), this looks to me like a discussion examining the possibility that Samantha could have given herself even a slight advantage in the game. This accepts the possibility that she may have slightly put herself at a slight disadvantage of winning big money, and yes, my excitement began to turn more towards shades of frustration that the chips were clinging towards the edges, but this wasn't directed at the contestant herself, just what the chips in general were doing, and perhaps that the contestant never even gave the middle at least one chance. When you say that she shouldn't be cursed, I think you're preaching to the choir, since the one person that really did seem to be yelling was swiftly dealt with, as the attentive moderators of this website usually do. I, for one, was rooting for her all the way (even if part of that rooting was trying to fruitlessly tell her telepathically to use the center already! ).

There is no contradiction here. I meant what I said before: I wasn't frustrated at the contestant. I was simply frustrated that the chips kept clinging towards the walls, and that she never gave the middle a chance despite these continued results. I'm not ever sure what you're trying to suggest with that third line, since I didn't connect it with my frustration. I was rooting for her to use the middle. That doesn't mean I'm directing my frustration towards her because she never used the middle.

I think it's also important to define frustration here. This isn't frustration like my tire blown on the way to work, or frustration that my computer decided to self-destruct its motherboard. This isn't frustration like someone slammed a door in my nose. Keep in mind that I'm watching a game show for entertainment purposes, and to have fun watching contestants do things. This is frustration like watching your favorite sports team or coach making boneheaded decisions, and perhaps yelling at the TV, saying, "What are you, nuts!?" Yes, I'm sure some fanatics genuinely get mad, but everything I do I do it in fun and with the show, not at it. I'll say things like, "What are smoking/drinking, picking that!?", but that doesn't mean I'm mad or even think anyone's smoking junk in the first place (except for the 420 bidders, but that's an entirely different discussion). I'm not mad at all. I'm just 'frustrated' that some people don't know how to play The Price Is Right sometimes. It's all in good fun. I've never actually been mad about anything. If I really get mad about something like this in a game show, I'm missing the point entirely. In the end, I'm just having fun with friends and family, having reactions, a good time, and enjoying the show together with those watching with me, and those that were being taped in the studio.

[TheBigAK]

So, having the contestant wipe out on the four prizes would be great television??

That wasn't my point.    My point was, it is crazy and a terrible idea for someone to be able to get $100,000 even though they theoretically could have done everything wrong.    That would be like in WOF, getting the bonus round wrong, but still giving them the $100,000 if they happened to hit that envelope.

How's that different than if they miss all of  the SP's Punch-a-Bunch or Master key.   Yes, that is crappy TV too.   I'd say how often does that really happen, but in Master Key, it happens all the time.   The free chip is nothing more that to make sure the game is played.    I've always thought they should say, if you get all 4, we give you a bonus chip (to make 5).

They could have done something like the golden chip.   If you land even 1 chip in the 10,000 we'll give you the golden chip.   If that lands in the 10,000, we'll give you a huge bonus amount.    That isn't a great idea either, but I think it is better than just giving them a free chip worth up to 100K

[GuyWithFace]

while I won't defend GuyWithFace's comment (I'll let him do that, if he even wants to), this looks to me like a discussion examining the possibility that Samantha could have given herself even a slight advantage in the game.

What you said encapsulates how I felt better than I could, sir. It appeared as if she was trying not to win very much by putting the chips on the extreme sides of the board while avoiding the middle section entirely, as from my viewing experience it seems to be harder to get from the sides to the center than it is to start and stay in the center.

I hope that makes sense to everyone.

^The new Push Over lights may be another refurbishing.

Possibly the most surprising thing about this episode [...] was the sudden reappearance in Push Over of that goofy-ass light cover from Season 28.

Interesting...

[MrPlinko]

That wasn't my point.    My point was, it is crazy and a terrible idea for someone to be able to get $100,000 even though they theoretically could have done everything wrong.    That would be like in WOF, getting the bonus round wrong, but still giving them the $100,000 if they happened to hit that envelope.

How's that different than if they miss all of  the SP's Punch-a-Bunch or Master key.   Yes, that is crappy TV too.   I'd say how often does that really happen, but in Master Key, it happens all the time.   The free chip is nothing more that to make sure the game is played.    I've always thought they should say, if you get all 4, we give you a bonus chip (to make 5).

They could have done something like the golden chip.   If you land even 1 chip in the 10,000 we'll give you the golden chip.   If that lands in the 10,000, we'll give you a huge bonus amount.    That isn't a great idea either, but I think it is better than just giving them a free chip worth up to 100K

I agree about Plinko's free chip.  It's a reward for doing nothing and to insure there is some game-play.  I do think the $100,000 center slot was exciting though.  However, if you are going to provide a free chip in Plinko to make sure the game is played, the logic should follow that you should get a free key in Master Key or a free rat in Rat Race.  You don't.

Joe

[RCPlanes59]

Uuuuuugh. This week reeked of desperation. Heck, I think Mike even wanted a decent performance this week (see: easy PTR setup, not impossible Plinko) just to boost the ratings. Has Season 42 been confirmed yet? Because if not I'm smelling the hook.

[mrbrown2195]

Has Season 42 been confirmed yet? Because if not I'm smelling the hook.

UHH... Yes. CBS renewed their entire daytime lineup... back in January.

By the way, numbers are up in key demographics, you know - the people that essentially pay the bills.

[Chelsea]

By the way, numbers are up in key demographics, you know - the people that essentially pay the bills.

Shh! Factual real numbers and solid data will only serve to dampen the needless hyperbole, and we can't have that.

[tpirfan28]

I love the rationale that in one game we are playing for HALF A MILLION DOLLARS and twenty minutes later for a Ford Fiesta.

[BD]

I love the rationale that in one game we are playing for HALF A MILLION DOLLARS and twenty minutes later for a Ford Fiesta.

Can't one argue though that the same could be said for the years upon years of regular episodes?

One game in which a contestant plays a game for $50,000 or a Car and just a few minutes later, a pricing game that has basic/boring furniture for the main prize.

[tpirfan28]

Can't one argue though that the same could be said for the years upon years of regular episodes?

Yes.  My argument is more along the lines of "big money week" is all lumped into one game.  I'd rather have seen $400,000 of that been spread out to the rest of the show.

[BD]

Yes.  My argument is more along the lines of "big money week" is all lumped into one game.  I'd rather have seen $400,000 of that been spread out to the rest of the show.

Oh okay. Definitely understand where you are coming from.

[Kev347]

Yes.  My argument is more along the lines of "big money week" is all lumped into one game.  I'd rather have seen $400,000 of that been spread out to the rest of the show.

But but...then they actually have to give some of it away...or the show gets skunked...

[tpirfan28]

But but...then they actually have to give some of it away...or the show gets skunked...

And now we've got the reason why this was a bad idea.

[whinbaby]

The 7,828th episode (145th for Season 41)

Showcase #1

• Outdoor Lounger:  $2,625
• Trip to Belize:  $6,206
• West Wight Potter:  $19,495

My bid:  $30,997 (D'oh!)

Showcase #2

• Snowboards:  $1,438
• Snowboard Helmets:  $570
• Trip to Whistler:  $8,855
• Jeep Patriot:  $19,390

My bid:  $28,350 (Difference of $1,903)

Modeling Totals:  April 26, 2013
Records (past shows intended for April 26)
High:  $103,458 (2002)
Low:  $22,775 (2006)

Manuela Arbeláez
Total:  13/$37,292.00 (10/$28,411.00, 3/$8,881.00)
Cars:  1 /$19,390.00 (1/$19,390.00, 0/$0.00)
Trips:  1/$6,206.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$6,206.00)
Cash Prizes:  0/$0.00 (0/$0.00, 0/$0.00)

Amber Lancaster
Total:  9/$60,209.00 (6/$15,163.00, 3/$45,046.00)
Cars:  1/$22,411.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$22,411.00)
Trips:  1/$3,140.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$3,140.00)
Cash Prizes:  0/$0.00 (0/$0.00, 0/$0.00)

Rob Wilson
Total:  7/$34,779.00 (5/$12,073.00, 2/$22,706.00)
Cars:  1/$18,730.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$18,730.00)
Trips:  2/$12,831.00 (1/$8,855.00, 1/$3,976.00)
Cash Prizes:  0/$0.00 (0/$0.00, 0/$0.00)

All Prizes
Total:  28/$628,913.00 ($178,913.00 with regular Plinko rules, 19/$53,880.00, 9/$575,033.00)
Cars:  3/$60,531.00 (1/$19,390.00, 2/$41,141.00)
Trips:  4/$22,177.00 (1/$8,855.00, 3/$13,322.00)
Cash Prizes:  1/$500,000.00 (0/$1,600.00, 1/$498,400.00)

Season to date
Manuela Arbeláez (137 shows)
Total:  1,299/$7,247,939.11 (801/$2,863,625.49, 498/$4,384,313.62)
Cars:  140/$3,352,412.00 (41/$889,745.00, 99/$2,462,667.00)
Trips:  161/$1,360,997.00 (80/$674,567.00, 81/$686,430.00)
Cash Prizes:  28/$397,468.00 (7/$74,818.00, 21/$322,650.00)

Amber Lancaster (128 shows)
Total:  1,027/$6,728,521.00 (671/$2,797,613.00, 356/$3,930,908.00)
Cars:  136/$3,007,134.00 (42/$898,583.00, 94/$2,108,551.00)
Trips:  154/$1,290,055.00 (95/$771,502.00, 59/$518,553.00)
Cash Prizes:  22/$520,449.00 (6/$61,449.00, 16/$459,000.00)

Rob Wilson (56 shows)
Total:  411/$2,436,500.00 (289/$1,180,004.00, 122/$1,256,496.00)
Cars:  58/$1,167,307.00 (21/$444,837.00, 37/$722,470.00)
Trips:  39/$329,263.00 (23/$198,944.00, 16/$130,319.00)
Cash Prizes:  6/$91,500.00 (1/$19,500.00, 5/$72,000.00)

All Prizes (141 shows)
Total:  3,762/$23,601,099.41 (2,341/$9,190,333.22, 1,421/$14,410,766.19)
Cars:  433/$9,617,572.00 (139/$2,983,994.00, 294/$6,633,578.00)
Trips:  480/$4,006,253.00 (269/$2,224,948.00, 211/$1,781,305.00)
Cash Prizes:  137/$3,898,884.00 (30/$501,306.00, 107/$3,397,578.00)