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TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« on: June 24, 2019, 12:02:38 PM »
Episode #8523K
Aired – 6/24/2019; Taped – 10/1/2018
Models: James O'Halloran, Rachel Reynolds
Microphone Handoff: Rachel
First Four Contestant Seating: Left to Right

First IUFB: Camera (Canon: 18MP DSLR camera, 55-200m lens, speedlight flash, tripod stand); ARP: $1,430 (James)

MARISA EDUARDO STEPHANIE JUAN
1000 1100 1200 850

The winner is...
STEPHANIE


Stephanie, from Los Angeles, California, is playing 2 for the Price of 1 for pair of surfboards (8ft surfboards) (Rachel) and a trip to Australia (RT Coach to Portsea, AUS for a 6n stay in a 1br apartment at Portsea Village Resort + private surf lesson for 2; ARP: $10,540) (James).

Stephanie will be guessing the price of the surfboards...

3 1 0
$ $ $
7 5 6

Stephanie picks the second number for free...

3 1 0
$ 5 $
7   6

Stephanie picks the $750 for the price of the surfboard...

3 1  
7 5 0
    6

ARP is...$750

3 1  
7 5 0
    6

WIN

Second IUFB: Tool Package (DeWalt: 3 nailers, stapler, compressor, 4drawer tool chest); ARP: $1,181 (James)

MARISA EDUARDO MICHELE JUAN
1252 1253 1251 950

The winner is...
JUAN


Juan, from San Jose, California, is playing Money Game for a 2018 Soul Red Mazda 3 Sport (2L engine, 6-speed AT, FWD, cargo tray, cargo net, paint/fabric protection) (Rachel).

MONEY GAME

    20 47 68
    96 73 19
    54 18 85
    F 7 R

Juan picks [20] - [F]

    F 47 68
    96 73 19
    54 18 85
    20 7 R

Juan picks [85] - [$$]

85   F 47 68
    96 73 19
    54 18 $$
    20 7 R

Juan picks [73] - [$$]

85   F 47 68
73   96 $$ 19
    54 18 $$
    20 7 R

Juan picks [68] - [R]

85   F 47 F
73   96 $$ 19
    54 18 $$
    20 7 68

WIN (Total Winnings: $20,926)

Third IUFB: Ladies Designer Accessories (Michael Kors: 3 handbags, ankle boots, sandals and suede pumps); ARP: $1,790 (Rachel)

MARISA EDUARDO MICHELE THEODORE
1000 1800 1801 1300

The winner is...
THEODORE


Theodore is playing Check GAME for a new game room (7ft pool table with maple frame; 1TB XBox 1 with 4 games; 65in A7 4K OLED smart TV) (James).

CHECK GAME
AT LEAST $7000 BUT NOT OVER $8000
3347
Theodore Cushman
$1,800
Game Room
Drew Carey
VOID


AMOUNT OF THIS CHECK
$
1800

PRIZE VALUE
$
6349

TOTAL

$
8149

SCSD #1

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL RESULT
Theodore $1,790 65 50 1.15
OVER
Stephanie $11,970 90 STAY .90 *SHOWCASE*
Juan $22,107 75 90 1.65
OVER

Fourth IUFB: Trip to Lake Tahoe (RT Coach to Reno, NV then to Lake Tahoe for a 3n stay at the DEerfield Lodge at Heavenly + daily breakfast); ARP: $2,445 (Rachel)

MARISA EDUARDO MICHELE KYLIE
3300 2301 2500 2300

The winner is...
EDUARDO


Eduardo is playing One Away for a a 2019 Kia Soul (1.6L engine, 6-speed AT, FWD, rear bumper applique, etch protection, cargo tray) (James).

2
8
5
6
7
1
9
4
7
8


Oh, mighty sound effects lady!!! Does he have...

One right? HONK!

Two right? HONK!

Three right? HONK!

Four right? HONK!

Five right? HONK!

1
9
4
7
8
1
9
4
7
8
WIN

Fifth IUFB: Electric Guitar (Vintage electric guitar with amp); ARP: $950 (James)

MARISA LOUIS MICHELE KYLIE
1 1800 1500 1300

The winner is...
MARISA


Marisa, the last of the First Four, from Corona, California, is playing Grand Game for a chance to win up to $10,000!

The target price is...

$7.50

Marisa starts out at $1.00:

$1.00

The items are:

  • Gillette Sensor2 Razors (10ct)
  • Zantac 150 Antacid
  • Cofeee Filters (100ct)
  • Healthy Choice Power Bowls
  • Vicks VapoRub
  • Reddi Wip Whipped Cream

Pick 1: Whipped Cream

$3.99
$10.00

Pick 2: Coffee Filters

$5.49
$100.00

Pick 3: Frozen Meal

$3.49
$1,000.00

Pick 4: VapoRub

$6.79
$10,000.00

WIN

Sixth IUFB: Cutlery (Wusthof: 4 knives, shears, steel, block; 4 cutting boards with stainless steel storage case); ARP: $1,048 (Rachel)

SAMUEL LOUIS MICHELE KYLIE
750 699 1 751

The winner is...
KYLIE


Kylie, from Toronto, Ontario, is playing SQUEEZE PLAY for a barbecue island and day bed (Bull: Outdoor kitchen island with 4-burner grill; Zuo Mod: Wicker day bed with 2 ottomans, 2 end tables, 6 throw pillows) (James).

The 4, 0, 2, or 9 is incorrect.

           
1 4 0 2 9 5
 
Kylie removes the 4...

           
$ 1 0 2 9 5
$10295
WIN

SCSD #2

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL RESULT
Marisa $10,950 5 75 .80
Kylie $11,343 60 20 .80
Eduardo $21,923 90 .90 *SHOWCASE*

THE FABULOUS SHOWCASES

Eduardo has the honors...

SC1 - Stephanie

BLOWN AWAY
  • Trip to Switzerland (RT Coach to Zurich, SW for a 6n stay in a 1br apartment courtesy of Vision Apartments + full-day excursion to Matterhorn with gondola ride) (Rachel)
  • Home Bar and DJ Set (ECI: Contempoary Toscana bar with 3 stools, back bar with lighting; DJ set with 2 sets of LEDS, 2 sets of speakers) (James)
  • 2019 Toyota Corolla LE (1.8L engine, CVT, FWD, door edge guards, rear bumper protector) (Rachel)
Bid: $27,500

SC2 - Eduardo

(DELAYED) HOLIDAYS ARE UPON US
  • Apple Electronics (Apple: 256GB iPhone 10S Max; 256GB 10S; 12.9in iPad Pro; 9.7in iPad; 27in iMac with 8GB RAM, 1TB FD) (Rachel)
  • 2018 Hyundai Elantra SE (2: engine, 6-speed AT, FWD, bluetooth) (Rachel)
Bid: $26,350
Stephanie
$27,500
TRIP/CAR
$36,965
$9,465
TRIP/CAR
*WIN*
$48,935
Eduardo
$26,350
CAR
$24,410
CAR

Results: 5 out of 6
Winnings: $117,048
Biggest Winner: Stephanie

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2019, 01:22:56 PM »
Raise the damn Check Game range already!

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2019, 01:40:25 PM »
- I concur with mechamind. The winning range was $651 to $1,651. That’s absolutely unacceptable.
- The perfecta in One Away was beautiful.
- 5/6 show is a reprieve from the 0/6 and 1/6 shows we’ve been having recently.

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2019, 02:24:40 PM »
Raise the damn Check Game range already!

- I concur with mechamind. The winning range was $651 to $1,651. That’s absolutely unacceptable.

The fact that the winning range was low doesn't mean the game is broken. It means that (in all probability) they didn't want it won today.

Losses in a game don't mean that game is broken.

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2019, 05:04:58 PM »
IMO it is an issue for Check Game to be possible to win with a check for less than $1,000. The game is about the cash amount as much as about the prize, and using prizes over $6,000 makes the cash amount possible to win a lot lower than it should be. It used to be the norm to get at least $2,000 or more in a winning playing. I'd like to see a raise to something like $9,000-$10,000 or even a $2,000 range personally and keep the prizes around $6,000-$8,000 so the contestant can win at least $2,000 with the prize.

Very easy Grand Game, the razors and antacid were the obvious two items to avoid.


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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2019, 05:10:06 PM »
IMO it is an issue for Check Game to be possible to win with a check for less than $1,000. The game is about the cash amount as much as about the prize, and using prizes over $6,000 makes the cash amount possible to win a lot lower than it should be. It used to be the norm to get at least $2,000 or more in a winning playing. I'd like to see a raise to something like $9,000-$10,000 or even a $2,000 range personally and keep the prizes around $6,000-$8,000 so the contestant can win at least $2,000 with the prize.

So, in other words: "The fact that the winning range was low doesn't mean the game is broken. It means that (in all probability) they didn't want it won today. Losses in a game don't mean that game is broken."

I really wish folks around here would quit complaining that a game is broken every time it gets lost. It's always been possible for Check Game to be won with a check written for less than $1,000, even on its first playing. What makes the difference is how the game is set up.

Even That's Too Much, during that horrible stretch when it was never won, wasn't broken. It was being overplayed and set up each time to force a loss, which was why the prices were so far to the edges instead of closer to the center. That's what a TTM forced loss looks like; a situation where a check for less than $1,000 wins the day is what a forced loss in Check Game looks like.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 05:14:37 PM by ThomHuge »

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2019, 05:16:52 PM »
Well, it is called Check Game. The price of the prize doesn't have to be easy to figure out, but I do think the ratio of cash to prize value needs to be a bit more balanced.

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2019, 06:25:37 PM »
Well, it is called Check Game. The price of the prize doesn't have to be easy to figure out, but I do think the ratio of cash to prize value needs to be a bit more balanced.

On this, we agree--because a balanced prize/cash value is what the game looks like when it's set up properly/normally.

But again, you seem to be missing my point: today's setup wasn't an accident or a sign that the game needs fixing. Today's game is what a forced loss looks like, plain and simple. It's no different than a Dice Game price that's full of 3s and 4s, or a Lucky $even price that's all 1s and 9s, or That's Too Much with the right price at either end of the board instead of towards the middle. It was (likely) set up the way it was today to force a loss.

The real problem here is that there are ways to force losses without being so obvious about it. (Actually the real problem is the prize budget isn't what it should be, but that's another discussion.) I said in another thread just the other day that the current staff still hasn't quite learned how to set up the games to keep the budget under control without it being blatantly obvious.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 06:30:12 PM by ThomHuge »

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2019, 07:15:48 PM »
Good show today.
Every win today (except 2 for the price of 1 , correct me if i'm wrong) was at one time or another spoiled on TV's that were onstage.

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2019, 07:25:06 PM »
So, in other words: "The fact that the winning range was low doesn't mean the game is broken. It means that (in all probability) they didn't want it won today. Losses in a game don't mean that game is broken."

I really wish folks around here would quit complaining that a game is broken every time it gets lost. It's always been possible for Check Game to be won with a check written for less than $1,000, even on its first playing. What makes the difference is how the game is set up.

Even That's Too Much, during that horrible stretch when it was never won, wasn't broken. It was being overplayed and set up each time to force a loss, which was why the prices were so far to the edges instead of closer to the center. That's what a TTM forced loss looks like; a situation where a check for less than $1,000 wins the day is what a forced loss in Check Game looks like.
I completely disagree, and I don't think you're completely understanding the perspective of someone who wants to raise the Check Game range. The prizes have slowly increased in value to match how prices are rising due to inflation. As such, Check Game had to naturally rise from $5,000-$6,000 to $7,000-8,000.

And all JayC, mechamind, and I are saying is that we think that, due to the one-game prizes not falling below $5,000 as of the past few seasons, there is too much prize and not enough check, thus making the game unbalanced.

Increasing the range would re-balance the game, which is what we want. We don't want to see $1,000 checks winning anymore, just as we don't want to see Clock Game with only the $1,000 bonus. So yes, I think it's time to increase the range of Check Game a bit; not because it'll make the game easier, but because it'll make it more balanced.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2019, 07:41:53 PM »
I completely disagree, and I don't think you're completely understanding the perspective of someone who wants to raise the Check Game range. The prizes have slowly increased in value to match how prices are rising due to inflation. As such, Check Game had to naturally rise from $5,000-$6,000 to $7,000-8,000.

I understand what I read completely. What you all said was: "the winning range was $651 to $1,651, which is unacceptable, and the range needs to be raised." I responded to what I read in your posts, not what else you might've meant. Add to that the fact that today, we had a playing that involved not a prize but what's arguably a prize package (which is what I consider a game room), which is more expensive than what I'm used to seeing in that game. Fresh from such a playing, the natural response is to say that you could solve the apparent problem by having less expensive prizes. If you three were talking about raising the range to keep up with inflation, at least one of you should've been more clear about that. As it is, I don't think that's even implied by what you posted.

And all JayC, mechamind, and I are saying is that we think that, due to the one-game prizes not falling below $5,000 as of the past few seasons, there is too much prize and not enough check, thus making the game unbalanced.

Increasing the range would re-balance the game, which is what we want. We don't want to see $1,000 checks winning anymore, just as we don't want to see Clock Game with only the $1,000 bonus. So yes, I think it's time to increase the range of Check Game a bit; not because it'll make the game easier, but because it'll make it more balanced.

Then you need to say that. I look in vain for the word "inflation" in any of their posts. What I saw, and continue to see now that I re-read everything, reads exactly like complaining that a game is broken because there was a loss. (And that wouldn't be without precedent around here; most of the time it's "this game gets lost all the time, retire it," but six of one, half a dozen of the other.) Re-balancing the game could easily be done by having less expensive single prizes--a good HDTV or that pool table alone would have the same effect. That's a matter of how the game is actually set up and what prizes you use with it.

The problem is you guys are talking about the game feeling unbalanced, on a day when they offered a particularly expensive prize, and suggesting the only answer is to up the range, which isn't true. I think the $5,000 prize floor isn't entirely a matter of inflation, and is at least partly attributable to the fact that they're deliberately going for higher-end/designer stuff.

To the matter at hand, I actually agree it would be a good thing if they raised the range. It would let them offer both more expensive prizes and let the players (potentially) walk away with more money in hand...but I think those reasons are precisely why it won't happen. Check Game strikes me as the kind of game that you'd want to play if your budget was in trouble--there's not a lot on offer, and so even if the player wins, they're not going to break the bank. It's basically Pick-a-Number, but with the added risk of a cash payout...in other words, more expensive.
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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2019, 07:56:31 PM »
This isn't new. Even when the range was $5K-$6K Roger and co. snuck in the occasional $4K+ prize in Budget Mode™.

In playings like this, at the end of the season, the check-to-prize ratio is imbalanced on purpose because they don't want it to be won.

Same thing happened towards the end of last season, finishing off with $6K+ prizes--only for it to return back to the $5K range at the start of this season once they had a new prize budget.

due to the one-game prizes not falling below $5,000 as of the past few seasons

That's kind of funny--Check Game is the only one-prizer where the total prize package is ALWAYS going to be $7K-$8K, so you'd think they'd be able to get away with offering cheaper, Most-Expensive tier prizes if they wanted to.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 08:00:19 PM by gamesurf »
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When you finally get it down so that it looks very very simple, that one has had the most complicated amount of work."

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2019, 11:21:22 PM »
So, in other words: "The fact that the winning range was low doesn't mean the game is broken. It means that (in all probability) they didn't want it won today. Losses in a game don't mean that game is broken."
I don't care so much about the winnability of the game, I care about the game being set up properly. Keeping up with inflation is definitely a consideration as well. Raising the range offers more wiggle room for the prizes they can offer while offering a more fitting amount of cash for the check amount required to win ($1,000 at the least) and still be manipulated as needed for the budget. It's honestly pretty surprising though they continue playing the game since check writing is outdated and even when check writing was common for people of all adult ages the game was known for being one of the show's more confusing. Of course, the game's budgetary benefits are what keeps it being played I assume.

This isn't new. Even when the range was $5K-$6K Roger and co. snuck in the occasional $4K+ prize in Budget Mode™.
That's true, even though I don't recall the prizes hovering that much more over $4,000 like they've been hovering considerably over $6,000 in recent playings. They could still do the same budget mode tricks if the range increased as they've always done.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 11:35:39 PM by JayC »

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #13 on: June 25, 2019, 10:50:19 AM »
Check Game is very broken right now. Plain and simple, because they have insisted since Season 43 on offering a minimum of a $5,000 prize package in every game (not counting any bonus money that may be accumulated), this gives them a very limited range to use in Check Game and still fit the 7k-8k range. The range needs to go up if the $5,000 minimum continues. Today shows what happens when they experiment with the high end of the range - it turns into an unwinnable setup.

An additional fun fact while I'm making a rare post: Not counting shows where the Plinko center slot was hit, this was our NINTH 5/6 show of the season, a staggering amount for any season. It makes it especially painful we couldn't close the deal and get a single perfect show. We also have 8 showcase WSDs (going over by $250 or less) vs double showcase wins this season. I think I'm going to start referring to Season 47 as the "season of pain".

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Re: TPiR Recap - 6/24/2019
« Reply #14 on: June 25, 2019, 11:34:50 AM »
That's true, even though I don't recall the prizes hovering that much more over $4,000 like they've been hovering considerably over $6,000 in recent playings. They could still do the same budget mode tricks if the range increased as they've always done.

Say they raise it to $9,000 to $10,000. They'll just start to use $7,500+ prizes when they're in budget mode, and we'll be right back where we started with the same exact same complaints about imbalance between the prize and the check. That proposed solution would only drive the game's average payout up even higher without really solving anything.

Today shows what happens when they experiment with the high end of the range - it turns into an unwinnable setup.

That's a feature, not a bug. An unwinnable setup is exactly what they're going for.
Quote from: Mark Goodson
"It's the greatest challenge in the world to invent a new game. For every one you see, every concept that is ultimately refined and developed, a dozen are worked on and not worked on, or almost worked on, or dropped because they don't read any more. We test and hammer and test and hammer...

When you finally get it down so that it looks very very simple, that one has had the most complicated amount of work."

Quote from: Bill Todman
"The sign of a good game, is when you don't have to explain it every day. The key is not simplicity, but apparent simplicity. Password looks like any idiot could have made it up, but we have 14 of our people working on that show. There is a great complexity behind the screen. It requires great work to keep it simple."