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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: Ccook on April 20, 2019, 10:15:03 AM
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This Tuesday, April 23rd marks forty years ago that Price settled in to its 11 AM ET time period on CBS where it's been ever since. It (obviously) has the longest tenure in a single time slot of any game/quiz program. The original Cullen-era price also had a lengthy run at 11 AM ET, running from December 30, 1956 to March 24, 1964 on NBC (moving to ABC in September of '63).
Trivia: what game show has the second longest run in a single time slot?
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Is it the current iteration of Let's Make a Deal? It's been in the same time slot for its almost 10 years on the air.
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Is it the current iteration of Let's Make a Deal? It's been in the same time slot for its almost 10 years on the air.
Market air times vary. Here in Nashville, LMAD airs at 2 p.m. CT. Most other markets air it at 10 ET/9 a.m. CT
That being said, it’s been in the 2 p.m. slot here ever since its debut.
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I think in my market in central and southeastern Washington state, it’s always been at 2:00 p.m.
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Very close. It was the original Let's Make A Deal, which aired at 1:30 ET from June 29, 1964 to December 26, 1975 (first on NBC, moving to ABC in December 1968), just about 10-1/2 years. The current LMAD is no. 4, having been on at 10 AM ET/3 PM ET (depending on when CBS stations choose to air it; ours runs it at 10 AM) for 9-1/2 years.
No.3 on the list is the original Hollywood Squares (NBC at 11:30 AM from October 17, 1966 to October 1, 1976). The rest of the ten longest at the same time spot:
5. The Newlywed Game, ABC at 2 PM ET, July 11, 1966 to December 20, 1974 (8 years, 5 months)
6. Jeopardy!. NBC at 12 Noon ET, September 27, 1965 to January 4, 1974 (8 years, 4 months)
7. Concentration, NBC at 10:30 AM ET, September 27, 1965 to March 23, 1973 (7 years, 6 months)
8. The Price Is Right, NBC at 11 AM ET, December 30, 1956 to September 6, 1963, moving to ABC at 11 AM ET September 9, 1963 to March 24, 1964 (7 years, 3 months)
9. The Match Game, NBC at 4 PM ET, December 31, 1962 to September 26, 1969 (6 years, 9 months)
10. Strike It Rich, CBS at 11:30 AM, May 7, 1951 to January 3, 1958 (6 years, 8 months)
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It's worth noting that if we add prime time game shows into the mix, the original "What's My Line?" would move high up the list, most likely to second place, since it aired Sundays at 10:30 p.m. ET from October 1, 1950 to September 3, 1967, almost 17 full years.
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Patrick, what's the official timeslot for LMaD? The last time I can remember hearing a definite answer (which I'm pretty sure was when Guiding Light was still on), it was still 3:00 in spite of how many stations aired it at 10:00.
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Patrick, what's the official timeslot for LMaD? The last time I can remember hearing a definite answer (which I'm pretty sure was when Guiding Light was still on), it was still 3:00 in spite of how many stations aired it at 10:00.
Further question, just out of curiosity... Did Guiding Light air at 3/2 p.m. across all affiliates, or were there some who aired it at 10/9 a.m., as is the case now with LMAD?
WTVF has held the 9 a.m. slot for as far back as I can remember, currently airing Pickler and Ben (which is soon to be cancelled — perhaps opening the door for LMAD to move to that slot in September?).
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Further question, just out of curiosity... Did Guiding Light air at 3/2 p.m. across all affiliates, or were there some who aired it at 10/9 a.m., as is the case now with LMAD?
WTVF has held the 9 a.m. slot for as far back as I can remember, currently airing Pickler and Ben (which is soon to be cancelled — perhaps opening the door for LMAD to move to that slot in September?).
Here in Detroit Guiding Light always aired at 10am as best I remember it growing up (am 31 for record). My grandmother used to watch it all the time at that hour.
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WGCL (Atlanta) ran Guiding Light at 3. They opted for the morning feed of LMAD when it debuted, filling the 3 PM slot with a delay of Young & The Restless. Last year, WGCL reverted Y&R back to its in-pattern time of 12:30 ET, filling the 3 PM spot with Dateline.
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Here in Detroit Guiding Light always aired at 10am as best I remember it growing up (am 31 for record). My grandmother used to watch it all the time at that hour.
For those of you interested, here's the weekday lineup of WWJ-TV (Detroit) to the best of my recollection, and I hope I can get pricefan to verify:
7-9 AM: CBS Morning News
9-10 AM: The Dr. Oz Show
10-11 AM: LMAD (Wayne Brady, new)
11AM-12PM: TPIR
12-12:30 PM: WWTBAM (Chris Harrison, rerun)
12:30-1:30 PM: Y&R
1:30-2 PM: B&B
2-3 PM: The Talk
3-3:30 PM: WWTBAM (Chris Harrison, new)
7-8 PM: FF (2 eps, Steve Harvey, new)
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For those of you interested, here's the weekday lineup of WWJ-TV (Detroit) to the best of my recollection, and I hope I can get pricefan to verify:
7-9 AM: CBS Morning News
9-10 AM: The Dr. Oz Show
10-11 AM: LMAD (Wayne Brady, new)
11AM-12PM: TPIR
12-12:30 PM: WWTBAM (Chris Harrison, rerun)
12:30-1:30 PM: Y&R
1:30-2 PM: B&B
2-3 PM: The Talk
3-3:30 PM: WWTBAM (Chris Harrison, new)
7-8 PM: FF (2 eps, Steve Harvey, new)
Just checked the schedule for this Tuesday, and it's fairly close, except CBS Morning News begins at 6, and there two additional Harvey Feuds at 3:30 and 6 (reruns I assume similar to Millionaire?). Also Dr. Phil is at 5 as well in addition. Here's the full schedule.
https://www.tvpassport.com/tv-listings/stations/cbs-wwj-detroit-mi/128/2019-04-23
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Patrick, what's the official timeslot for LMaD? The last time I can remember hearing a definite answer (which I'm pretty sure was when Guiding Light was still on), it was still 3:00 in spite of how many stations aired it at 10:00.
Officially, "Let's Make a Deal" replaced "Guiding Light," which most stations carried at 3 p.m. on the east coast. Some stations did carry 'GL' at 10 a.m., but I think most carried it at 3 p.m. More stations, I believe, now carry "Let's Make a Deal" at 10 a.m., just before 'Price' and have moved their hour of syndicated programming from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
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Officially, "Let's Make a Deal" replaced "Guiding Light," which most stations carried at 3 p.m. on the east coast. Some stations did carry 'GL' at 10 a.m., but I think most carried it at 3 p.m. More stations, I believe, now carry "Let's Make a Deal" at 10 a.m., just before 'Price' and have moved their hour of syndicated programming from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m.
Which makes sense, having the two shows back to back, and GL in the afternoon before it as part of the soap block.
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For the record, here are positions 11 through 20:
11. Wheel Of Fortune, NBC at 11 AM ET, January 3, 1983 - June 30, 1989 (6 years, 6 months)
12. You Don't Say!, NBC at 3:30 PM ET, April 1, 1963 - September 26, 1969, (6 years, 6 months--just short of Wheel by 2 days)
13. Do You Trust Your Wife?/Who Do You Trust?, ABC at 3:30 PM ET, November 18, 1957 - December 27, 1963 (6 years, 1 month)
14. Password, CBS at 2 PM ET, October 2, 1961 - September 15, 1967 (5 years, 11 months)
15. To Tell The Truth, CBS at 3 PM ET, December 31, 1962 to September 8, 1968 (5 years, 8 months)
16. The $25,000 Pyramid, CBS at 10 AM ET, September 20, 1982 - December 31, 1987 (5 years, 3 months)
17. Concentration, NBC at 11:30 AM ET, August 25, 1958 - September 6, 1963 (5 years)
18. The Dating Game, ABC at 2:30 PM ET, July 15, 1968 - July 6, 1973 (5 years--short of Concentration by 9 days)
19. Super Password, NBC at 12 Noon ET, September 24, 1984 - March 24, 1989 (4 years, 6 months)
20. The Who, What or Where Game, NBC at 12:30 PM ET, December 29, 1969 - January 4, 1974 (4 years)
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8. The Price Is Right, NBC at 11 AM ET, December 30, 1956 to September 6, 1963, moving to ABC at 11 AM ET September 9, 1963 to March 24, 1964 (7 years, 3 months)
I don't know that I realized that the original Price had the same timeslot in daytime as the current run does now.....that's really interesting. Could say it's been a stalwart in that spot for some 60 years then, minus of course the hiatus period between versions and the first years of the current version.
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That's where it performed best, obviously. Of course when Price moved to ABC, Concentration on NBC was clobbering it in the east (it went up against Your First Impression in the west), so ABC moved it to 10:30 then 11:30. It also didn't help that ABC couldn't pop to air it in color.
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In addition to TPIR now at 11:00 a.m. EST, here's what else happened:
*Whew!, a short-lived Jay Wolpert game with a huge cult following online, premieres at 10:30-10:55 a.m. EST (w/5 minute newscast).
*The long-running CBS Soap, Love of Life, takes Match Game '79's place at 4:00 p.m. EST and gains 5 minutes of show, after being followed by a 5 minute newscast from 1962-1969 and again from 1973-1979.
And if you lived in New York City, Match Game returned to WCBS at 4:00 p.m. on May 14, with Love of Life moving to Noon, before being cancelled on February 1, 1980. The return of Match Game on WCBS was four months before the Daily Syndicated era started. They may have played the unaired episodes during that time. The last CBS episodes were taped on March 11, and about a week later, the decision was made to cancel the CBS run on April 20.
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That's where it performed best, obviously. Of course when Price moved to ABC, Concentration on NBC was clobbering it in the east (it went up against Your First Impression in the west), so ABC moved it to 10:30 then 11:30. It also didn't help that ABC couldn't pop to air it in color.
Speaking of Concentration at 10:30, that's where Classic Concentration was also found through the entirety of its original run, plus the first year of repeats until September 4, 1992, where that whole hour was given back to local affiliates, before resurfacing at 11:30 on October 19, replacing Faith Daniels short-lived talk show, and remaining there until December 31, 1993 when NBC axed it for good. So it's ironic that while the original Concentration killed the original TPIR, the modern version ended CC.
If you count that first year of reruns as part of its run on NBC, just like summer reruns are counted on TPIR, it would fall in 16th place in terms of airing at the same time (5 years and 4 months). If you count the same show that's "canon" with revivals running on the same network at the same 10:30 AM timeslot, Concentration/CC together would be in second place (12 years, 10 months total).
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The current version of Price was also responsible in some ways for the demise of the original Concentration as they both aired at 10:30 AM ET. It has been also said that NBC daytime head Lin Bolen wanted Concentration gone following a rather terse meeting with producer Norm Blumenthal (others say it's because she wanted to get rid of games with obsolete mechanics and middle-aged hosts), so she refused to relocate Concentration from competing with Price.
Also, if memory serves, Classic Concentration was moved to 11:30 AM ET for at least the last year of its original run. I'll need to research that.
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Also, if memory serves, Classic Concentration was moved to 11:30 AM ET for at least the last year of its original run. I'll need to research that.
Yep, happened when Wheel of Fortune with Bob Goen jumped from CBS to NBC.
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It's hard to believe that today's the 40th anniversary of the show's current timeslot of 11 Eastern/10 Central. And given that I was born about four months after the switch, I used to think it aired at 11 for its entire run until I learned a decade ago that wasn't always the case.
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Yep, happened when Wheel of Fortune with Bob Goen jumped from CBS to NBC.
I caught the Daytona Beach TV listings for mid 1991 on Google News Archives and the NBC station there has things all jumbled up. As I see on a number of listings, NBC had Wheel at 10, Full House repeats at 10:30, To Tell The Truth at 11, and CC at 11:30. Daytona Beach's WESH had Full House at 10, CC at 10:30, TTTT blacked out for $100,000 Pyramid at 11, and Wheel at 11:30. They must have had the NBC shows recorded from what they call a "wild feed" so they could put them where they wanted.
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Update: Another listing (Las Vegas) has repeats of Family Ties followed by CC, TTTT, then Trial Watch. So the slotting of CC at 10:30 et throughout it first-run tenure is verified.
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Update: Another listing (Las Vegas) has repeats of Family Ties followed by CC, TTTT, then Trial Watch. So the slotting of CC at 10:30 et throughout it first-run tenure is verified.
Actually, no it isn't.
http://www.daytimetvarchive.com/grids/1991.html
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Ah, good catch. Affiliates (especially ours) seemed to be unconcerned about following network patterns. Thanks for the clarification.
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Further question, just out of curiosity... Did Guiding Light air at 3/2 p.m. across all affiliates, or were there some who aired it at 10/9 a.m., as is the case now with LMAD?
WCAX in Vermont shows LMAD at 3 PM local time every weekday.
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Here in Southern Oregon, where I live, KTVL 10 airs The Price is Right at 10 a.m., which has been the case for as long as I can remember. Let's Make a Deal airs at 2 p.m., which was the original air time for Guiding Light here until its cancellation in 2009.
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Further question, just out of curiosity... Did Guiding Light air at 3/2 p.m. across all affiliates, or were there some who aired it at 10/9 a.m., as is the case now with LMAD?
Not across all affiliates. PA CBS affiliates in Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and Scranton aired GL at 10am; in Harrisburg, WHP aired GL at 3pm. LMAD took over the 10am slot for GL in the cities I mentioned above that were airing GL then. Harrisburg was going to air LMAD at 3pm, but at the last minute changed course and slotted it at 10am instead.
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It's kind of surprising to see that, even after CBS turned the 10:00 AM hour over to their affiliates more than ten years ago, some stations still choose to air a network show during that time slot. It would appear to be more advantageous to use that hour for local content or syndicated programming because that format allows the station to generate more revenue than it would to air a network show during a "local programming" hour.
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It's kind of surprising to see that, even after CBS turned the 10:00 AM hour over to their affiliates more than ten years ago
I thought CBS gave up the 10:00 AM hour in September 1993, when they canceled Family Feud Challenge.
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I thought CBS gave up the 10:00 AM hour in September 1993, when they canceled Family Feud Challenge.
Now I am curious since you said that...for areas like mine in Detroit that ran Guiding Light at 10am in later years, where was it slotted before the Feud Challenge was canned? 3pm? Or was Feud/other shows in the afternoon slot itself?
EDIT: Looking at it's timeslots, it was said to have a 3pm slot from the 80's to the end, so I assume it only established the morning position in some markets when Feud Challenge ended then? Would make the most sense.
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EDIT: Looking at it's timeslots, it was said to have a 3pm slot from the 80's to the end, so I assume it only established the morning position in some markets when Feud Challenge ended then? Would make the most sense.
That's correct - WCBS in NYC was the first one to slot GL at 10am. and this happened in 1995, two years after FFC ended.
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That's correct - WCBS in NYC was the first one to slot GL at 10am. and this happened in 1995, two years after FFC ended.
Well damn. Never would've expected an O&O to bump a show out of pattern that way.
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Well damn. Never would've expected an O&O to bump a show out of pattern that way.
They bumped it out of pattern for the short-lived "Day and Date", which was a Group W show, which aired from 1995 to early 1997. Other CBS stations followed suit, of course....WYOU in Scranton jumped on the 10am train for GL in September 1996,
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It's kind of surprising to see that, even after CBS turned the 10:00 AM hour over to their affiliates more than ten years ago, some stations still choose to air a network show during that time slot. It would appear to be more advantageous to use that hour for local content or syndicated programming because that format allows the station to generate more revenue than it would to air a network show during a "local programming" hour.
It's a question of whether they might more success with a syndicated show in the 3 p.m. hour as a lead-in to a 4 p.m. newscast or a lead-in to another 4 p.m. syndie which, in turn, serves as lead-in to the 5 p.m. news.
It's also a question of whether they felt "Let's Make a Deal" would play better at 10 a.m. alongside 'Price' than at 3 p.m. after "The Talk."
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It's also a question of whether they felt "Let's Make a Deal" would play better at 10 a.m. alongside 'Price' than at 3 p.m. after "The Talk."
So stations are still sent network programming at least a day before so they can choose where to air it?
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The current official ET daytime schedule is Deal at 10, Price at 11. Y&R is fed at 12 (11 Central) for Central Time Zone stations, with a separate 12:30 feed for Eastern Time Zone stations with a noon newscast. Then the time zones merge again for B&B at 1:30. The Talk airs live (except Fridays) at 2.
So stations are still sent network programming at least a day before so they can choose where to air it?
The only CBS programming I'm aware that is regularly prefed are the Saturday morning E/I shows. They started prefeeding that block earlier in the week because stations had gotten so irregular about their Saturday AM schedules. (Especially since a lot of stations now have local news on Saturday mornings.) All other CBS network shows are fed in pattern on the day of air.
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They bumped it out of pattern for the short-lived "Day and Date", which was a Group W show, which aired from 1995 to early 1997. Other CBS stations followed suit, of course....WYOU in Scranton jumped on the 10am train for GL in September 1996,
When would Detroit have done it?
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So stations are still sent network programming at least a day before so they can choose where to air it?
No. I believe CBS feeds 'LMAD' twice so stations can either air it at 10 a.m. or 3 p.m. (I assume there's a similar arrangement for other time zones but I don't know for sure.)
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No. I believe CBS feeds 'LMAD' twice so stations can either air it at 10 a.m. or 3 p.m. (I assume there's a similar arrangement for other time zones but I don't know for sure.)
I can attest to this being true. We have stations in the hub I work in take it at either time and it's fed by CBS at both times.
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The only CBS programming I'm aware that is regularly prefed are the Saturday morning E/I shows. They started prefeeding that block earlier in the week because stations had gotten so irregular about their Saturday AM schedules.
Funny story about this...one Friday night several years ago, somebody at WTAJ forgot to shut off the national feed after Craig Ferguson, so anybody who was still up was treated to a black screen instead of whatever infomercial was supposed to be running. I kept it on just to see how long they'd go before somebody noticed...lo and behold, at 2:00, some show called The Doodlebops started airing. Evidently, at least at that point, they were feeding the Saturday morning lineup 23 minutes after The Late Late Show.
(And that's what we learned on the show tonight, Craig.)
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When would Detroit have done it?
From doing a bit of research, WWJ appeared to have done it at the same time as WCBS.