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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: TPIRViewer on June 28, 2017, 06:25:45 PM

Title: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 28, 2017, 06:25:45 PM
One of the best things about this site during the dark times of 2009-2012 were all the backstage sources that would post here. Nanny , KenCrane , Rich DiPirro , Pentellit , and I'm sure there were more that we don't even know about. Then, they just stopped, all of them, and these accounts haven't even been logged into in many years.

Do we know if something happened behind the scenes that put a stop to these guys coming here? I do have my theory that some kind of legal action took place behind the scenes. I remember in 2014, I made a thread asking about KenCrane's disappearance (he hadn't logged in since May 2011 at that point) and later that day, he actually logged in for the first time in 3 years. He didn't post anything but he did log in that one time, and hasn't logged in again since. My theory was he did that to try and tell us that he's not allowed to post here but is still reading and checking this site.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: GameShowFan1987 on June 28, 2017, 07:45:38 PM
Except for Rich DiPirro, my guess is there hasn't been any Bob related controversy in a while.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Torgo on June 28, 2017, 09:22:49 PM
later that day, he actually logged in for the first time in 3 years. He didn't post anything but he did log in that one time, and hasn't logged in again since.
This sounds healthy.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on June 28, 2017, 11:32:19 PM
This sounds healthy.

Not to mention he posted the same damn thing three years ago (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php?topic=23659.0), with a similar update.

It's been more than four hours. Go see a doctor.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 28, 2017, 11:51:02 PM
Not sure where this nastiness is coming from. I simply looked at my old thread from 2014 and remembered the details.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: tpirfan1991 on June 29, 2017, 06:30:07 AM
I have to agree with TpirViewer. This nastiness, especially from the higher-ups really has to stop. It's one of the reasons why I stopped posting on a semi-regular basis (that, combined with work, and a rather large uni schedule).

I got so frustrated when I come on here, and the majority of stuff that I see, are moderators belittling other members. May I point out the first rule of the rules and regulations on this site

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1. Do not flame or belittle someone for his or her opinions. We all think differently and may not agree with other's opinions. With that said, tasteful debate is encouraged! If you disagree with someone, please disagree with a little bit of “class”. DO NOT get personal with someone regarding an opinion that you may not agree with.

I am not aiming to be a backseat moderator. However, a few years ago, I remember Prizes making a post about "The End of The Golden Road" about how the site was stagnating and in decline. While I suspect there may be many reasons for this, one of which is that this site has been around nearly 15 years now in its current format, and more or less, with a few exceptions, pretty much everything about the current show has been discussed in one way or another, another reason might be, many members, including myself, have been put off by the nasty, snide tone of some of the moderators towards some of the other members of this site. We are all humans, we all have feelings. Just because we are on the internet, doesn't mean that politeness and respect get left at the door. I might also add that that might be one of the reasons why the inside sources no longer post here.

If the moderators find what I have to say offends them, I'm deeply sorry, but I'm speaking from what I feel to be the truth, and if you wish to ban me, go right ahead, I won't hold any hard feelings.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: RedWing512 on June 29, 2017, 09:58:20 AM
I have to agree with TpirViewer. This nastiness, especially from the higher-ups really has to stop. It's one of the reasons why I stopped posting on a semi-regular basis (that, combined with work, and a rather large uni schedule).

I got so frustrated when I come on here, and the majority of stuff that I see, are moderators belittling other members. May I point out the first rule of the rules and regulations on this site

I am not aiming to be a backseat moderator. However, a few years ago, I remember Prizes making a post about "The End of The Golden Road" about how the site was stagnating and in decline. While I suspect there may be many reasons for this, one of which is that this site has been around nearly 15 years now in its current format, and more or less, with a few exceptions, pretty much everything about the current show has been discussed in one way or another, another reason might be, many members, including myself, have been put off by the nasty, snide tone of some of the moderators towards some of the other members of this site. We are all humans, we all have feelings. Just because we are on the internet, doesn't mean that politeness and respect get left at the door. I might also add that that might be one of the reasons why the inside sources no longer post here.

If the moderators find what I have to say offends them, I'm deeply sorry, but I'm speaking from what I feel to be the truth, and if you wish to ban me, go right ahead, I won't hold any hard feelings.

And I third this. This site has become terribly stagnant as of late, and I have no doubt that at least part of it can be attributed to those of a higher rank. Granted, the job of a mod is to police the board, but their job is to also spread goodwill, as well...if you can't do that job in a dignified manner, then you have no business being a moderator.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Plinkoman on June 29, 2017, 10:53:50 AM
Agree 100% with tpirfan1991 and Redwing512. I myself have not posted here lately like I once did, and it's mainly because of the outright rudeness of a few moderators and certain members. Just because you have been given a place of authority does not automatically give you the right to belittle members on this board.

Maybe we should have another "reviewing the staff with honesty" thread.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 10:55:56 AM
I've just contacted Marc about Torgo and Prize's mean-spirited behavior. Marc is never here anymore so I doubt he's aware of what has been going on. I hope he gets my message and comes back here to have a look at this. Thanks for the support guys!
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Archviler on June 29, 2017, 11:24:07 AM
And I third this. This site has become terribly stagnant as of late, and I have no doubt that at least part of it can be attributed to those of a higher rank. Granted, the job of a mod is to police the board, but their job is to also spread goodwill, as well...if you can't do that job in a dignified manner, then you have no business being a moderator.

Fourthed.

What gives? I don't know what provokes the intermittent nastiness around here, but it's unpleasant whenever it does happen.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: blozier2006 on June 29, 2017, 11:54:00 AM
I've just contacted Marc about [...] Prize's mean-spirited behavior.
Wait, what? I don't see anything Jess has done that would warrant putting her in that same boat...
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Torgo on June 29, 2017, 12:30:11 PM
It sounded to me like TpirViewer took an obsession over the times someone appeared online on Golden-Road, hence the original comment.

I see the whiners have come out in full force as usual, though. Carry on.

Quote from: TpirViewer
I've just contacted Marc about Torgo and Prize's mean-spirited behavior.
Thanks for giving me less than 24 hours to respond to a PM about this before notifying Marc. Panic has set in, and if you want a reason why people in charge don't come here anymore? This is it. The site's user base sucks.

Wait, what? I don't see anything Jess has done that would warrant putting her in that same boat...
You fail to understand the bias against me.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: thepriceis_J on June 29, 2017, 01:02:39 PM
I might also add that that might be one of the reasons why the inside sources no longer post here.
If you all want to continue this "Great Moderator Revolt of 2017", be my guest.

But to answer the question of the OP and the above quoted statement. Inside sources have most likely stopped posting here because there's nothing to post about. The former inside sources that would post here would usually do so to spread any drama or something drastic going on behind the scenes. There was a lot of drama and drastic changes going on 8-9 years ago with Roger's departure, Rich's departure, model lawsuits, etc. While I'm sure drama exists in some form on the set, it's inescapable, there's simply nothing to report on since the show has reached a stable point of producing quality shows to the point of winning two Emmys.

Also, RBP and pentelit didn't work for the show anymore. Any more information they'd have to spread would be from any friends left backstage and again, there probably isn't much to spread here. It's also very possible that Nanny and KenCrane also don't work for Fremantle/CBS anymore.

If you think the moderators behavior is bad, go search up some old posts. The site used to be a lot rougher in the years following Roger's departure. I don't think the site's current tone is what drove them away. Especially since they have reputations here that they know would afford them respect when they post. And don't forget, when Nanny first posted, no one knew who they were and not-so-kindly dismissed them at first until it was proven that what they said was correct.

And I'd be shocked that people who work in the sometimes tough world of television would look at posters on the internet and say "Oh no! They look mean! I can't post there anymore!"

But as I said, carry on with your revolt.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: CBSpromoman on June 29, 2017, 03:54:13 PM
This is it. The site's user base sucks.

I beg your pardon.
I've been a member of this site longer than most of the people here. That statement is highly uncalled for.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 04:16:49 PM
Torgo appears to be banned! His name is crossed out.

And Marc is online right now so he saw my message. I think we did it guys!
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 29, 2017, 04:17:48 PM
Thanks for giving me less than 24 hours to respond to a PM about this before notifying Marc. Panic has set in, and if you want a reason why people in charge don't come here anymore? This is it. The site's user base sucks.

1.)  Unless something has changed since the last time I talked to Marc and John, this is a lie.

2.)  You're a jerk.  Knock it off.

Seriously, this is ridiculous.  I don't always like what I see going on around here, either, but there's no excuse for it reaching a point where I have to moderate the behavior of another moderator.

EDIT:  Ooooooooooooor maybe Marc will show up and ban you while I'm in the middle of typing this.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Marc on June 29, 2017, 04:25:09 PM
Torgo has left the building. John and I never really cared for the way he presented himself.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 04:30:38 PM
Thanks Marc for coming back and dealing with this. Sorry I had to bother you and ask to help but I think it was something that you definitely needed to know about.

And thanks again everyone!
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: wink87 on June 29, 2017, 04:48:40 PM
I agree with these sentiments. Why can't we just all try to get along with each other? It would make this forum, and others a better place to be.

Have fun guys!  xlx
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on June 29, 2017, 05:21:02 PM
Regardless of thoughts on this, I'd rather not see celebration just out of general respect. If you had an issue with how you were treated and do this in response, how does that make you the bigger person? That's not a judgement of right/wrong, that's a statement on humanity in general.

More importantly, keep this crap exclusively to GR, off the professional work social media pages that people use for their livelihood. That's not cool, and you KNOW who you are. STOP. Not to anybody who has posted thus far, to be fair.

(https://scontent.fzty1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t34.0-12/19576006_10104375498986841_576660325_n.jpg?oh=733ca75844cb69209630f9c39e34b705&oe=5956F124)
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 05:34:23 PM
Regardless of thoughts on this, I'd rather not see celebration just out of general respect. If you had an issue with how you were treated and do this in response, how does that make you the bigger person? That's not a judgement of right/wrong, that's a statement on humanity in general.

Your hypocritical post is quite amusing. I have no clue who that Zach guy is but I actually handled my concern with you quite properly and PM'ed you directly and what did you do? You just flat out ignored it and never replied back. So if you're going to preach to people on here to respond to concerns appropriately, then once again like I said in the PM, you need to set a positive example and do the same.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on June 29, 2017, 05:36:32 PM
Zach Horan has been an internet troll since the late 1990s. It's best we don't give him any more air time than already spread.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Wayoshi on June 29, 2017, 05:42:29 PM
Isn't the simple answer that with DOB getting fired, connections from this site to the show slowly eroded? Don't forget that Mike was afraid of us superfans after the showcase exacta, too.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 05:43:58 PM
Isn't the simple answer that with DOB getting fired, connections from this site to the show slowly eroded? Don't forget that Mike was afraid of us superfans after the showcase exacta, too.

That's a big time gap. Both of those happened in 2008, the disappearance of all the inside sources on here occurred in 2011 and 2012 roughly.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Wayoshi on June 29, 2017, 05:49:19 PM
That's a big time gap. Both of those happened in 2008, the disappearance of all the inside sources on here occurred in 2011 and 2012 roughly.
That's why I said "slowly eroded". This wouldn't have happened overnight. Kathy Greco was around still for the first couple years of the Mike era.

Another reason? The show really has become a predictable boring hour every other or every three days the way they set up and/or schedule certain games. What IS there to talk about?
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on June 29, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Your hypocritical post is quite amusing. I have no clue who that Zach guy is but I actually handled my concern with you quite properly


Strawman, much? I said nothing of the sort about you handling anything the proper way.

You just flat out ignored it and never replied back.

Holy crappity. You gave me AN HOUR. I had to reflect back properly between then and then, read and reread the thread for full details of reviewing the situation at hand, plus discuss this with fellow members and staffers between then and then. That's a bit unfair.

 
So if you're going to preach to people on here to respond to concerns appropriately, then once again like I said in the PM, you need to set a positive example and do the same.

And I did so. But your standards should be adjusted in a few respects, yeah?
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 29, 2017, 06:07:32 PM
Okay, guys, let's please stop this.  We had a bad afternoon, a mod got fired, and everybody's a little worked up.  Frankly, this is more excitement than we usually have in a whole summer, and I, for one, could do without any more.

Let's just calm down, admit that the whole conversation could maybe have been handled a bit more smoothly, and try to move on.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 29, 2017, 06:09:30 PM
I'm down for that man!

That's why I said "slowly eroded". This wouldn't have happened overnight. Kathy Greco was around still for the first couple years of the Mike era.

Another reason? The show really has become a predictable boring hour every other or every three days the way they set up and/or schedule certain games. What IS there to talk about?

Could be! The show has certainly stabilized since around 2012/2013 and become a pretty strong show again.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Alfonzo on June 29, 2017, 06:18:15 PM
Thank you Steve. I have been watching this thread from the sidelines.

I will only add that as a long-time moderator here I will say that sometimes it is better to handle things more... tactfully than I've seen here lately. Hopefully we can all learn from this thread and communication between posters and moderators will go smoother in the future.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on June 29, 2017, 06:44:41 PM
Since the posts are gone but they bring up a surprisingly relevant point of belief with respect to my style of moderation...

I would never silence somebody or delete their posts unless said posts or accounts* are addition by subtraction, such as trolling or other blatantly insensitive racial remarks, and so on. Very simple. I may disagree with what you say, but will always defend your right to say it, especially if your point is well made, in an allusion to Evelyn Beatrice Hall. The obvious exceptions are if you are harming someone else in the process, or suggests/supports bodily harm to others.

*Of the posters with non-deleted posts in this thread, this isn't any of you. People with particular histories, well, the dots are easily connected as to my mindset, and such thoughts are likely a collective groupthink across the page.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Trivia Trap on June 29, 2017, 08:51:34 PM
Thank you Steve. I have been watching this thread from the sidelines.

I will only add that as a long-time moderator here I will say that sometimes it is better to handle things more... tactfully than I've seen here lately. Hopefully we can all learn from this thread and communication between posters and moderators will go smoother in the future.

I don't post on here much, but I read it here once a week at least. Alfonzo, you're the nicest mod I've came upon in my 9+ years of mostly lurking here. And SteveGavazzi, your knowledge of the show is light years past mine, and I think that I am a walking encyclopedia myself. Sometimes I am irked that when you reply to something I post and step all over it is not because that you are being a D-bag, it's you with a much more informed and involved opinion and feeling than mine. AND THAT'S OKAY BECAUSE WE ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE DIFFERENT OPINIONS IN 2017 DESPITE!

I don't have a problem with this site at all, really, except that it was more lively. Which is what I think we all would feel. And the good kinda lively, not a troll taking a post like a drunk guy at bat at a slow pitch softball game on the 4th of July.

I remember the days of late/end of Bob, the worry of the summer, and the first 1.5 years of Drew. I scheduled classes in college around the price is right. It's been part of my life knowingly for 25 years now at least, and it will be forever.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: GameShowFan1987 on June 29, 2017, 09:58:40 PM
Regarding all the recent goings-on, here's my 2 cents for anybody that wants it.  When it all comes down to it, most of the members of this site don't know each other in real life.  They don't know each other's personal lives, their outlook on life, their history, what's going on in their minds, or even so much as their real name.  What we see is what's pounded out on a keyboard and interpreted in whatever way our minds want to take it.  I've never been keen on the idea of treating a discussion forum like a multi-million dollar corporation and everyone is just an employee, but the high levels of hostility that have been known to happen around here kind of warrant that.  My advice to anyone who gets annoyed, angry, or frustrated when someone else posts a "dumb" question, doesn't have a full understanding of something, or isn't making much sense is to remember they're just a person who might not know as much about something as you do.  Educate them, encourage them to learn, show them how to further their knowledge, and seek clarification in a friendly way rather than scold them for not knowing or not making sense.  On that same token, if someone is just plain being a troll, that's why we have moderators who can deal with those sorts of people accordingly.  Topics will come up that have been mentioned before.  Someone will post something that makes no sense at some point.  Controversial subjects will inevitably be brought up.  Someone will insult or offend someone else eventually.  Emotions will flare.  Stuff will happen.  At the end of the day, if we all take a moment to remember that we're all just people and try to treat each other with a little bit of respect, we can have a nice community.  Whether you're a newcomer, a longstanding member, a moderator, or just a passerby, let's all strive to be the best community we can be and move on from the ugliness.  It's late for me and I don't even know if any of that made sense or meant anything to anybody but feel free to add anything I may have left out.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Hag on June 29, 2017, 11:12:27 PM
Regarding all the recent goings-on, here's my 2 cents for anybody that wants it.  When it all comes down to it, most of the members of this site don't know each other in real life.  They don't know each other's personal lives, their outlook on life, their history, what's going on in their minds, or even so much as their real name.  What we see is what's pounded out on a keyboard and interpreted in whatever way our minds want to take it.  I've never been keen on the idea of treating a discussion forum like a multi-million dollar corporation and everyone is just an employee, but the high levels of hostility that have been known to happen around here kind of warrant that.  My advice to anyone who gets annoyed, angry, or frustrated when someone else posts a "dumb" question, doesn't have a full understanding of something, or isn't making much sense is to remember they're just a person who might not know as much about something as you do.  Educate them, encourage them to learn, show them how to further their knowledge, and seek clarification in a friendly way rather than scold them for not knowing or not making sense.  On that same token, if someone is just plain being a troll, that's why we have moderators who can deal with those sorts of people accordingly.  Topics will come up that have been mentioned before.  Someone will post something that makes no sense at some point.  Controversial subjects will inevitably be brought up.  Someone will insult or offend someone else eventually.  Emotions will flare.  Stuff will happen.  At the end of the day, if we all take a moment to remember that we're all just people and try to treat each other with a little bit of respect, we can have a nice community.  Whether you're a newcomer, a longstanding member, a moderator, or just a passerby, let's all strive to be the best community we can be and move on from the ugliness.  It's late for me and I don't even know if any of that made sense or meant anything to anybody but feel free to add anything I may have left out.

That sounded perfect to me.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: someguy23475 on June 30, 2017, 11:24:47 AM
I think all of the moderators need to be evaluated on a regular basis. Torgo isn't the only problem, though he may have been the most severe.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: tpiradam on June 30, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
I have to agree. This isn't directed at any individual but lately I've been afraid to make posts in fear that some of higher power will jump all over it. The attitude of some posters here as of late is very distasteful. When I joined here some time ago this place was full of life and lately I almost want to liken it to a totalitarian society. Mods should be moderating the site and not using their power for bullying and intimidation.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on June 30, 2017, 01:10:09 PM
I think all of the moderators need to be evaluated on a regular basis. Torgo isn't the only problem, though he may have been the most severe.

I am in full support of that.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: therealcu2010 on June 30, 2017, 04:48:55 PM
You know, this thread has derailed to the point where I should perhaps lock it for being ridiculously off-topic, especially after that heated back and forth yesterday of which I'm still not quite sure exactly what happened since I wasn't paying attention...but I'm not going to.

I'm a big believer in the notion that anyone should be free to voice any concerns they may have regarding management, so long as it is done tactfully and with class, in accordance to forum Rule #1. What I don't appreciate is massive profanity-laden rants about how we as moderators are "terrible people" who are "ruining the site" (you have no clue how many times I've heard that!). We're all human- we all make mistakes, and I'm certainly guilty of overreacting at times too. It's no secret that I'm hardly around anymore- I work a full-time day job and the show doesn't really interest me that much anymore- but I still love this site, and still love this community, and still want to see it succeed. What happened yesterday is a prime example of what should not have happened- from all involved. Emotions spiraled out of control, action was taken, more emotions happened; it was all just a giant mess.

Someone was banned yesterday. It happened. Let's accept that and move on with our lives, and not discuss it any further, regardless your feelings of what happened.

My challenge for all of you this summer and going forward is this: let's all try to be nicer to each other. Treat each other with respect, regardless of whether or not you agree with them. There's so much negativity in this world right now, especially on the Internet, that we should be trying to escape from, not further exasperate the problem.  Read what you've written over before hitting that "post" button and ask yourself: could this possibly be taken the wrong way and offend someone or someones? If so, perhaps it shouldn't be posted. Remember that it's considerably more difficult to detect sarcasm in a text setting than it is talking to someone in person, and I really believe that's where 3/4 of the problems most seem to see in this site start. This is not to say that you can't joke around and have fun...this site would be boring if we kept everything so serious all the time, but if there's even a chance where it crosses a line, it's probably best kept private.

Likewise, we could all- myself included- stand to remember that this is an Internet forum first and foremost, and that perhaps we shouldn't take things so seriously all the time. If we'd learn to just let things go instead of get defensive about every little thing, we'd go a long way into being a more friendly place to be. If you have a problem with another member, hit that "Report to moderator" link on the post in question and let one of us decide which action, if anything, needs to be taken. If you have a problem with an action taken in a moderation capacity, feel free to send us a friendly PM about it. We can't learn from our mistakes if we don't realize we're making them. If you send me a PM, so long as it is respectful, I promise to get back to you as quickly as I can with a friendly response.

Marc has always said that the driving force behind the site is YOU, the members, who generate discussion and make this community, well, what it is. I realize that we might be in a bit of a rut right now with regards to having things to talk about, and the summer hiatus is always a slow time of year, but if you want to discuss something and don't see it being discussed anywhere, by all means, start that discussion! Want to share your feelings about a recent big win? Talk about it. Want to discuss what pricing games you like and don't like? Do it. So long as you back up your points and say why you think how you do, you won't be ridiculed for your opinion...and if you are, we'll see to it that it doesn't happen again. Likewise, accept that fact that someone is going to disagree with you somewhere, and that's totally okay too, so long as their rebuttal is made with the same level of class and respect that your original point was. Remember, always attack the idea, never the person. Don't say that someone's idea is "stupid" with no context, tell them WHY it is...without resorting to using words such as "stupid", of course! I've always maintained that there's room on this site for ALL fans of the show- whether they be new fans who enjoy the show now with Drew Carey, those of us who grew up with Barker and prefer those shows, or even those who think someone else entirely is the best host- they're all welcome here. We may not have the same level of inside access we had in the past for reasons unknown, and we may never have it again, but we can still keep this site going strong if we all come together and make it so.

I know this was long, but hey, I had to get my two cents in somehow. :lol:

In short, let's all work together and Make Golden-Road Great Again!*

*Though without all the nonsensical rants on Twitter about Lord knows what...and that's all the political talk that is to happen.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on June 30, 2017, 05:38:21 PM
  :boo: BORRRRRRRRRRRRING! We all know you are as mad and power-hungry as Torgo was. The TRUE way to make this site great again is to get rid of you and Prizes because all the other mods aren't power-hungry like you two.


Oh man, this is a shame. Looks like we've been found out and caught. Pack up shop CU, we would've gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for you meddling kids.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: sideshowPA on July 02, 2017, 11:15:42 AM
Hi gang,
Glad to see all of the (mostly) positive vibes in this thread.
I tend to zip in and out of this site depending on my schedule, and I always appreciate the interesting discussions when they occur.
We all have good days and bad days, and sometime what is happening in "real life" bleeds into our posts.  Heck, recently I made a post towards someone where I looked back on it the next day and thought "man, I was real jerk there".  Tone and intent are easily lost in online posts...easy to forget that.
Moving forward there are certainly things we can do to rally the troops.  I know goldroadfanatic and I always enjoyed putting together the live shows, and I am confident I can speak for him in that we'd be eager to try these again.  Anything which gives us a chance to come together, talk about the show and enjoy our shared interest is welcome and productive for the site.

Take care.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: garffreak on July 03, 2017, 09:36:42 PM
When it all comes down to it, most of the members of this site don't know each other in real life.  They don't know each other's personal lives, their outlook on life, their history, what's going on in their minds, or even so much as their real name.

But that was not always the case.  Back when I joined almost 14 years ago (yikes) people did get to actually know each other.  I worked with a member on a campus TPiR program.  People who had been to the site came to TPiR programs that I put on in the student union.  We knew peoples' names, and emailed and had AIM chats.    (Again, am I old?)  Times changed, and the site's personality shifted away from a close community of a few hundred avid fans and a bunch of lurkers to thousands of people that share a loose connection related to The Price is Right. 

Why did the staff stop posting?  They're not staff any more. The people here aren't the same people they knew back years ago.  Anyone can go to his/her own place on the Internet and post--not just a web board.  Company policies change and limit what can be disclosed.  Or, they just didn't feel like posting much anymore--much like myself.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: sideshowPA on July 03, 2017, 09:49:13 PM
Or, they just didn't feel like posting much anymore--much like myself.

But love seeing you around now and then.  Please pop in more often!
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on July 06, 2017, 12:30:56 AM
Psht, who just pops in out of the blue any more?
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Briguy on July 06, 2017, 09:43:42 AM
But to answer the question of the OP and the above quoted statement. Inside sources have most likely stopped posting here because there's nothing to post about. The former inside sources that would post here would usually do so to spread any drama or something drastic going on behind the scenes. There was a lot of drama and drastic changes going on 8-9 years ago with Roger's departure, Rich's departure, model lawsuits, etc. While I'm sure drama exists in some form on the set, it's inescapable, there's simply nothing to report on since the show has reached a stable point of producing quality shows to the point of winning two Emmys.

Also, RBP and pentelit didn't work for the show anymore. Any more information they'd have to spread would be from any friends left backstage and again, there probably isn't much to spread here. It's also very possible that Nanny and KenCrane also don't work for Fremantle/CBS anymore.

If you think the moderators behavior is bad, go search up some old posts. The site used to be a lot rougher in the years following Roger's departure. I don't think the site's current tone is what drove them away. Especially since they have reputations here that they know would afford them respect when they post. And don't forget, when Nanny first posted, no one knew who they were and not-so-kindly dismissed them at first until it was proven that what they said was correct.

I think that's well stated. A few others that were posted later were also well stated.

To me, I sense part of the reason is ... many of us live in the "real world." We have full-time jobs that are hectic and don't always have time to so much as catch up on our lives outside of TPiR. Posters who didn't really have good points or asked questions in an ... well, awkward way usually didn't last long here anyway for one reason or another.

(To that point, there's not really anything such as a bad question, even though we do have such things as FAQs; but I've seen many questions and comments stated awkwardly ... and we're all certainly guilty of it, and I think there were times when we could have been more patient with them. It's like the rule is on Wikipedia, and it's to paraphrase: "Don't bite the hands of newcomers.")

And yes, I think the Drew Carey-era of TPiR has gotten much better in more recent years. A lot of the bad ideas were out of their system early on, and while no one can ever compare to the old era, we have to accept it for what it is now ... a bygone era that, much like our childhoods, is something to cherish and relish, but we move forward and we move on.

I hope this site continues. I enjoy reading the updates on current and past shows, and insight into the show's current and past successes. It is a shame that anyone had to be banned from this site because of what they've said, but when you have arguments like that and people blaming certain posters for this, that or the other thing, sometimes ugliness rears its head and shows a side of oneself that others' rather not deal with. (To that end, I hope that someday, when they've had time to reflect on their words, they can offer a true apology. Whether that is owed, however, is not up to me.)

Keep up the good work.

Brian
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: priac on July 06, 2017, 01:10:30 PM
Sorry to belabor a point, but I, too, was unceremoniously banned from chat by Torgo many months ago.  To this day, I have no idea why.  I'm just glad that he and his hostility are gone.  I'm a member here since 2005, was gone for a while, and returned about a year ago, only to be greeted by that nonsense, on what should be a friendly site. 

And can someone please let me know how I get unbanned from chat?  I didn't even ever use it that much.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Prizes on July 06, 2017, 01:55:59 PM
And can someone please let me know how I get unbanned from chat?  I didn't even ever use it that much.

All bans were reset/removed with the move to a Discord server as the page's official chatroom, which you and anyone else can join by clicking this link (https://discord.gg/E6e2TUy). Looking forward to seeing you at the next show you can chat with us. It has much better customization options, no glitches, more stable, etc. Speaking of, since I don't have that power, Marc, next time you're online, any chance you could change the chat link to the one in this post for everyone's sake, if at all possible? Thanks in advance, think it'd surely help a lot of folks for future shows both this summer and beyond.

...anywho, on an unmentioned note in this thread, personally found it amusing Torgo was described as power hungry, in light of the fact he sent Chelsea a message regarding his desire to resign, due to working an actual full-time job. He had told me through social media that, as a resulting effect of said job, "There's no way I can justify a position of power when I'd never be [t]here." No stance, just an observation about how the chips fell.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: mrbrown2195 on July 21, 2017, 11:14:06 PM
 :nipplesarehard:
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: TPIRViewer on July 22, 2017, 05:42:30 PM
Someone pointed out to me that KenCrane logged in 3 days ago, for the first time in 3 years! Ken, glad to know you're still checking this site, hope one day you post again, even if it's just to say hello!

http://www.golden-road.net/index.php?action=profile;u=6565
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: tpir1983 on July 24, 2017, 11:15:44 AM
It's been a while since I have logged in, but I still lurk every now and then. With every forum and especially social media, there's bound to be drama. I can't believe I've been a member of this site for now 14 years and a lot of things have changed since then. But one thing that hasn't changed is the fun that I have looking through this site and keeping up on the greatest game show of all time. Sure, I don't like some of the trivial changes that has happened on the show and the inside info out of Studio 33 hasn't come out like it used to. But, this site is still one of the best for info, and I do appreciate the work the mods do.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: pentellit on October 30, 2017, 04:01:07 PM
(We had originally answered this question on the Pentellit thread, but I think I should have posted it here.)

I can tell you exactly why the Pentellits stopped posting here.  Its simply because we finished. 

The intent of the original Pentellits in coming here was to give golden-roadies the OTHER side of the TPIR damage-control they were being spoonfed by that weasel Dobkowitz. Our criteria was that whatever we posted had to be verifiable either from court documents and/or first person interviews or accounts of people who would testify if called upon.  Once we did that, we were done here, except for the occasional related news.

Enjoy the show!  It is THE GREATEST GAME SHOW IN TELEVISION HISTORY, in our humble opinion!
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: johnnymatch on November 22, 2017, 10:02:20 AM
The nastiness of this site and some of its moderators can be summed up in one word: Weedsville.
Probably the most repulsive human being on the board of all time and anytime on duty.   The reason I have not  been here for, more or less, a decade.
While he has a relative on the Goodson/Todman credit roll, he and he alone defies the spirit of The Price is Right and of the fun loving escapism of game shows in general. 
If you have ever been to studio 33 to see the Price is Right in person, it is a magical feeling of instant camaraderie and delightful expectations. 
O what a bummer it would if it were he whom you found yourself sitting next to in those second row VIP seats.
It’s amazing, the nastiness and condescension found among these threads has been an ongoing subject since the Barker days. 
The main source is somewhere near Weedsville. (Cue losing horns)
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: SteveGavazzi on November 22, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
The nastiness of this site and some of its moderators can be summed up in one word: Weedsville.

Gee, I'm disappointed.  I thought I was the one you were insulting here, but I live in Weedville, so it must be someone else.

The reason I have not  been here for, more or less, a decade.

Given that the last time you were here, your post was edited to remove you insulting someone who was fighting cancer, I'm going to guess nobody missed you.

While he has a relative on the Goodson/Todman credit roll

What in the blue hell are you babbling about?
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: johnnymatch on November 22, 2017, 04:47:30 PM
My point is that the menace from Weedville is the reason this board has alienated so many over the years.  (That I even remembered that PA locale (albeit misspelled)  should tell the world how particularly loathsome this person is. 

Trust me, I am not the first to express this. Just the best at nailing this malevolent turd.

That one’s favorite TV personality is who he/she is, tells the world all it needs to know about the nasty snark and condescension that invariably drips from one’s lips.

Just because one had an artistic relative who made his mark in broadcast lore, does not mean one can behave in a manner, year after year after year, in a way that would otherwise have a person like this driven from the board not elevated to moderator. 

If that ain’t the fox guarding the hen house. 

Horrible. Predictable. 

It is no secret that this site has become a joke to the rest of the game show commentariat on the web. 

I have it on good authority that one of the primary sources of alienation and thus elimination of this site from their travels is someone from an unincorporated town in the very lonely woods of nowhere Pennsylvania. 

And finally, I made fun of no one suffering from cancer.  I made a comparison between two men who are glaring examples of lousy emcees.  To infer or imply anything else says much more about the reader than it does about the Emmy winning writer who produced the post. 

Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: johnnymatch on November 22, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
To clarify, i mistakenly read the “moderator’s” name as Agazzi (the former TPIR art director) instead of what it actually is.  Thus, my line about the artistic family member, which in turn fueled my assumption of the moderator’s source of TPIR lore.

When I am wrong, I am wrong.  And I admit it.

Boy, was I wrong about that potential lineage.  Wrong. Wrong.  Wrong. 

Kinda of funny in hindsight.  Makes Weedville even that much more isolated in the woods. 
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on November 22, 2017, 05:52:55 PM
My point is that the menace from Weedville is the reason this board has alienated so many over the years.  (That I even remembered that PA locale (albeit misspelled)  should tell the world how particularly loathsome this person is. 

Trust me, I am not the first to express this. Just the best at nailing this malevolent turd.

That one’s favorite TV personality is who he/she is, tells the world all it needs to know about the nasty snark and condescension that invariably drips from one’s lips.

Just because one had an artistic relative who made his mark in broadcast lore, does not mean one can behave in a manner, year after year after year, in a way that would otherwise have a person like this driven from the board not elevated to moderator. 

If that ain’t the fox guarding the hen house. 

Horrible. Predictable. 

It is no secret that this site has become a joke to the rest of the game show commentariat on the web. 

I have it on good authority that one of the primary sources of alienation and thus elimination of this site from their travels is someone from an unincorporated town in the very lonely woods of nowhere Pennsylvania. 

And finally, I made fun of no one suffering from cancer.  I made a comparison between two men who are glaring examples of lousy emcees.  To infer or imply anything else says much more about the reader than it does about the Emmy winning writer who produced the post.

There's something I don't understand. If Steve is your beef, why have you responded to him like he's someone else?
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: urbanpreppie0004 on November 22, 2017, 06:00:03 PM
Johnnymatch, maybe the reason why the site is "so bad in your eyes" is posts like yours. Most of your postings are negative, snarky, and outright mean toward certain posters, talent, or the show- the very thing you accuse mods and others on the site of being.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: johnnymatch on November 22, 2017, 06:03:30 PM
I only mistook the names Gavazzi and Agazzi.  Trust me, Gavazzi is the sole menace of this board. My mistake was of a dyslexic nature which resulted in me assuming his knowledge base of TPIR had some family roots.

I was wrong. 

This much I do know: He should not be a moderator.  That is the more profound error on Golden-Road dot net day after day, month after month, year after year.  You could say he is a source of road kill. 

Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on November 22, 2017, 06:06:32 PM
I only mistook the names Gavazzi and Agazzi.  Trust me, Gavazzi is the sole menace of this board. My mistake was of a dyslexic nature which resulted in me assuming his knowledge base of TPIR had some family roots.

I was wrong. 

This much I do know: He should not be a moderator.  That is the more profound error on Golden-Road dot net day after day, month after month, year after year.  You could say he is a source of road kill.

You're not required to agree with me, but Steve is one of the best things this site has. His tireless work to keep a working record of everything The Price is Right has offered for the last 45 years. However, this site has come a long way from being the negative Drew-hate zone it once was. It's been 10 years. Things change.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: johnnymatch on November 22, 2017, 06:10:50 PM
I am the least of this board’s image problems.  A post from me every half decade or so is hardly a mood setter for the rest of you all the other 15-hundred days betwixt and between.

But my criticism of Drew Carey’s hosting abilities (inabilities) are spot on. 

Tune in weekdays on CBS. 

I used to. 
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on November 22, 2017, 06:14:40 PM
I am the least of this board’s image problems.  A post from me every half decade or so is hardly a mood setter for the rest of you all the other 15-hundred days betwixt and between.

But my criticism of Drew Carey’s hosting abilities (inabilities) are spot on. 

Tune in weekdays on CBS. 

I used to.

And that's fine, but I don't think we should be bashing other members of this site, especially Steve. You are more than entitled to your opinion, but let's try to be fair here.

Most of us have accepted Drew's good points and his faults. Just using my example, I am willing to give Drew another 25 years if he so wishes.

That said, I think this discussion has run its course.
Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: sideshowPA on November 22, 2017, 09:02:26 PM
I am the least of this board’s image problems.

Are you helping that image here somehow?

I have been around a long. long time here, mostly lurking in the shadows, but often active. When you are nice to people, they are nice back. When you act like an ass, you can expect that back too.

Steve is a general pain in the rear....it's true! He is also a tireless advocate for all things Price, no matter the era.

Let's get back to constructive conversation.

Title: Re: Why did all of the inside sources stop posting here?
Post by: SteveGavazzi on November 22, 2017, 10:00:14 PM
That I even remembered that PA locale (albeit misspelled)  should tell the world how particularly loathsome this person is.

It tells me you need to get a damn grip.

And since you and Pentellit are the only people who've said anything in this thread since the end of July, I think it's pretty safe to leave it LOCKED.