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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: tpir04 on March 14, 2020, 02:30:48 PM
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A comment on another thread prompted me to create this topic, because I believe it merits some discussion and the thread that it was in originally isn't quite the place. The comment in question in full:
Okay, so I started watching TPIR again this week because of obvious reasons. While I love the updated games, like Side by Side, and the new(er) games like Vend-O-Price, I have to say: Drew Carey is hosting like it's 2008. No enthusiasm, mocking the small prizes "who wants a fondue maker?", and the particularly aggravating "well at least you got the jewelry cleaner" after a loss. In addition, every time there's a contestant who just begs for some interaction, he just rushes to the pricing game to get it over with. It's a shame, because so many of the updates to TPIR have improved the show a lot, but the host has regressed.
Now my response:
Okay, so I started watching TPIR again this week because of obvious reasons.
Pardon my idiocy, but what are those reasons? PCH week or something else?
I have to say: Drew Carey is hosting like it's 2008.
Strong disagree here. While it's true that Drew's hosting performance isn't as good as Barker, he has still improved since his early days. He has become less immature and has stopped destroying the grocery products (can't recall if that was a one-time incident but nonetheless that's a HUGE no-no).
mocking the small prizes "who wants a fondue maker?"
I think you picked the worst example out of many. Most times he'll only make comments about the item itself, not deprecating it per se. Especially in games that involve multiple SPs, he'll try to tie them all in somehow, such as "You can use X while doing Y after doing Z." And I don't see anything wrong with that.
and the particularly aggravating "well at least you got the jewelry cleaner" after a loss.
Just trying to console the contestant. That's all it is.
In addition, every time there's a contestant who just begs for some interaction, he just rushes to the pricing game to get it over with.
You really can't blame Drew for this. Stricter demands on timing have forced the show to be that way. Even if the timings aren't fully at fault, that's never been Drew's style anyway. Recall that Bob Barker had sixteen years to refine his style as host of Truth or Consequences before Price. Drew didn't. He only had that one-year (if that) stint as emcee of Power of 10. And before that he starred in The Drew Carey Show, which was pretty much just memorizing lines of a script.
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I think Drew has improved tremendously as a host. I have disliked his making fun of the small prizes in games like Switcheroo, but he seems to have stopped that for the most part.
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Pardon my idiocy, but what are those reasons? PCH week or something else?
Many businesses, schools, universities, etc. are closing for 2-3 weeks or are encouraging people to work remotely from home because of the coronavirus. Most transmission is from sustained close contact, and social distancing is extremely effective in containing the virus.
More are home during the day that might otherwise be working or at school.
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To me this comes off a little more of a critique on someone's post rather than the beginning of a discussion of Drew's hosting ability. Opinions are fine and dandy but to start an entire thread based on disagreeing with someone's post is another thing.
When Drew started hosting he wasn't really a game show host of any sorts but he grew into the role and the show in it's current production fits very well with Drew. He puts his entire heart into the show and what we see on TV is only half of that. To see him hosting in person you can tell he loves what he does and he does it well.
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To me this comes off a little more of a critique on someone's post rather than the beginning of a discussion of Drew's hosting ability. Opinions are fine and dandy but to start an entire thread based on disagreeing with someone's post is another thing.
Call it a polite debate then. All I'm trying to do is offer my opinions (and crazypackersfan should absolutely have a right to his as well), and again, such debate should not take place in an episode recap. That's why I created this topic. No hard feelings, I hope. :)
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Drew Carey is a tremendous host with the talent and personality he has to work with.
Bob Barker was likewise a tremendous host with the talent and personality he had to work with.
Does this mean they're equal as hosts? Of course not. Not all talents and personalities are made equal. Moreover, Bob and Drew are from two distinctly different eras and schools of performance. Nonetheless he's grown into the role and grown into it well. He's much better than he was when he started, and while there's parts of his performance I don't think I'll ever care for, he's a good host. I'm grateful Price has been blessed with a second good host after Bob Barker retired.
I'd love to see him in person since I think his talents would be better suited to seeing TPIR live versus taped, I think tpiradam hit it dead on with his comment about that.
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Call it a polite debate then. All I'm trying to do is offer my opinions (and crazypackersfan should absolutely have a right to his as well), and again, such debate should not take place in an episode recap. That's why I created this topic. No hard feelings, I hope. :)
None whatsoever :) My concern was more about where this was stemming from and whether or not the OP had any knowledge of this. Guess I should've researched the origin of the comment first.
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I think Drew’s a great host. Even though he isn’t Bob Barker, he’s a worthy successor.
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I didn't even see this topic until now. I'm flattered that you felt the need to make an entire post related to the first post I made in several years. I didn't realize I was that important! I also didn't realize that the coronavirus hadn't hit your neck of the woods yet, but for me being out of work, I have time to watch TPIR.
When I speak to Drew Carey's performance, I don't say this as a major TPIR fan (even though I am). I say it in response to what other casual viewers tell me when they watch the show. I'm echoing their thoughts on him. Apparently he hasn't done enough to win them over. I also go off what I saw when I went to the show in person. He couldn't have gotten off that stage quickly enough. Not sure why it bothers you so much that I (and everyone I talk to) am/are not big fans of the host. But I expect nothing less from the game show community!
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Yeah, this was another one of my stupid posts. (How many does this make...far too many probably.) Please accept my apologies.
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Unwatchable. For a guy who hosted an improv show, he’s got zero skills in that department.
He still doesn’t know how to quickly and concisely explain many games, even after ten years of “rehearsals.”
It’s been a very long time since I’ve watched Drew or visited here, and now that Price is Right is fully on board as an abortion provider, I doubt I shall return or watch ever again.
But who cares? What’s one less life— here, or in the audience, or in its father’s arms? Who cares?
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Unwatchable. For a guy who hosted an improv show, he’s got zero skills in that department.
He still doesn’t know how to quickly and concisely explain many games, even after ten years of “rehearsals.”
It’s been a very long time since I’ve watched Drew or visited here, and now that Price is Right is fully on board as an abortion provider, I doubt I shall return or watch ever again.
But who cares? What’s one less life— here, or in the audience, or in its father’s arms? Who cares?
Abortion provider? I am not sure I understand.
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I assume he's mad that Julie Bowen and RuPaul both had Planned Parenthood as their charity when they went on the show.
Personally, I think that makes them heroes, but to each his own.
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Before this thread takes a possibly ugly turn, I will point out that celebrities having Planned Parenthood as their charities in game shows is hardly new, Gene Rayburn played for them in the Card Sharks game show host tournament in 1980.
Let's try to stay away from this subject, too politically pointed.
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Before this thread takes a possibly ugly turn, I will point out that celebrities having Planned Parenthood as their charities in game shows is hardly new, Gene Rayburn played for them in the Card Sharks game show host tournament in 1980.
Let's try to stay away from this subject, too politically pointed.
There's also the fact that....one could argue that Price at least has been open to showcasing those on both sides of the political spectrum during Drew's Tenure, given they had Jenny McCarthy who was/is associated with Autism Speaks on the show many years back now. So they've not gone completely on one side or the other in that way. Personal viewpoints on either could be argued obviously, and that's not something I want to open up here, but definitely can't say they haven't had equal time offered as it were.
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Unwatchable. For a guy who hosted an improv show, he’s got zero skills in that department.
He still doesn’t know how to quickly and concisely explain many games, even after ten years of “rehearsals.”
It’s been a very long time since I’ve watched Drew or visited here, and now that Price is Right is fully on board as an abortion provider, I doubt I shall return or watch ever again.
But who cares? What’s one less life— here, or in the audience, or in its father’s arms? Who cares?
Oh look, the show did something he disagreed with and showed his bravery by posting here, using strong language such as "abortion provider" and threatening to stop watching the show.
This fandom. I bet he'll keep his eyes on this thread though, because he's totally over the show. Totally.
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After 12 years of hosting, we can just say that after such a long time doing the show, he had improved his skills, and look at him now, he's very well-fitted with the show. He loves the crowd, he genuinely wants the contestants to win. Those are just some examples of Drew's great changes after some time doing Price, plus Drew being fit allowed him to move around during the games and stuff... Great job Drew!
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Price at least has been open to showcasing those on both sides of the political spectrum during Drew's Tenure, given they had Jenny McCarthy who was/is associated with Autism Speaks...definitely can't say they haven't had equal time offered as it were.
Calling the two "equal time" and representing "both sides of the political spectrum" is utterly ridiculous.
They wanted a celebrity who wanted to play for a divisive charity, they approved a celebrity with a divisive charity. That's the only way the situations are comparable.
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I assume he's mad that Julie Bowen and RuPaul both had Planned Parenthood as their charity when they went on the show.
Personally, I think that makes them heroes, but to each his own.
You should've seen Roger's festival of idiots on Facebook when it comes to that.
Regardless, Drew's fine. He's not a trained game show host. (Most people aren't born to be a game show host. Most came from radio, other television or film.) He has come a far way from the nervous wreck in Season 36. The show and him are now intertwined. He's happy. He has fun.
Heaven knows I'd rather have Drew than Bob being a smug asshat every time.
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We're well past the time of saying it would be hard for anybody to replace someone who hosted Price for 35 years. That said, when I got back into watching the show last year, I must say Drew has improved a lot. Major props to him for keeping the weight off because he looks a lot more at ease, too.
Heaven knows I'd rather have Drew than Bob being a smug asshat every time.
And to the people who claim that Bob's era wasn't political when he hosted, he made some derogatory comments about the ERA, on the air no less. Even if he may have been joking, he wouldn't get away with that today.
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And to the people who claim that Bob's era wasn't political when he hosted, he made some derogatory comments about the ERA, on the air no less. Even if he may have been joking, he wouldn't get away with that today.
What was said, and when? Am curious about that. He also couldn't get away with some of the stuff with women, both as contestants and models both on terms of on camera, that he did then in this Me Too era. That wasn't political per se but....it was surely a sign of the times that existed in his era at the very least.
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What was said, and when? Am curious about that. He also couldn't get away with some of the stuff with women, both as contestants and models both on terms of on camera, that he did then in this Me Too era. That wasn't political per se but....it was surely a sign of the times that existed in his era at the very least.
I recall seeing a playing of Trader Bob in which a writing pad was one of the prizes. One of the female staffers had written a pro-ERA message on the pad which Bob immediately tore up and said "We're all male chauvinist pigs here!"
Oh, and Bob practically forcing some contestants to kiss him? Good luck with that nowadays.
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Bob... said "We're all male chauvinist pigs here!"
Never were truer words spoken, as all the lawsuits would later bear out :P
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Never were truer words spoken, as all the lawsuits would later bear out :P
Joking or not, there was some foreshadowing in that comment. ;-)
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I recall seeing a playing of Trader Bob in which a writing pad was one of the prizes. One of the female staffers had written a pro-ERA message on the pad which Bob immediately tore up and said "We're all male chauvinist pigs here!"
Oh man, even for the 80's that's bad lol. I wonder how that went over with the female staffers then.
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What kills me about some of the more rabid parts of the fanbase is just how much glossing over of Bob's misdeeds they do- even going as far of accusing Janice, Kathleen, Holly and Dian (to a lesser extent) for "trying to take Bob down."
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I'm surprised by the amount of disdain for Bob and Roger. Granted, I don't post or even visit very much, but I've been around golden-road.net long before Drew became the host and the vast majority of people here used to respect and admire Bob and Roger. There were folks here that visited the show often and were given backstage tours to take photos of the set, props, studio, and such. I don't know what happened, but this isn't the same golden-road.net from 2007 and earlier. I'm not saying everyone should be hating on Drew, but why the contempt for Bob and Roger and even their fans, no less?
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Don't get me wrong I thoroughly enjoyed most of Bob's tenure of hosting. What I don't like is how there are people out there who even after how many years now are still Bob Barker purists. Those who believe he should be brought out of retirement to 'rescue' the show and Roger be brought back to his original position. While it's fine to have those feelings (Drew isn't everyone's cup of tea) it takes it to a whole 'nother level when it becomes an insult fest towards Drew, George, or anything the show is in it's current state. Many of us have moved on and accepted the show as it is now which may make it easier to look back and see that Bob was not perfect as many once believed. One major difference I see between Bob and Drew's hosting was Bob always referred to TPIR as 'HIS' show. It was his thing and if anything or anyone got in the way he'd do away with it regardless of how others felt (fur, models, foreign cars, etc...). He was beloved and he knew it. He could fire anyone, make cracks towards women, overweight people, Samoans, whoever, and people would still love him.
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I'm surprised by the amount of disdain for Bob and Roger. Granted, I don't post or even visit very much, but I've been around golden-road.net long before Drew became the host and the vast majority of people here used to respect and admire Bob and Roger. There were folks here that visited the show often and were given backstage tours to take photos of the set, props, studio, and such. I don't know what happened, but this isn't the same golden-road.net from 2007 and earlier. I'm not saying everyone should be hating on Drew, but why the contempt for Bob and Roger and even their fans, no less?
Hindsight history. There were plenty of weirdness on in Drew's tenure; at the time wasn't clear if they would be able to work those issues out, and the only point of comparison then was "Bob & Roger's show." And it's tempting and addicting to play backseat producer :-)
Season 36, Drew was pretty green and Bob was still fresh in everybody's memory. Season 37 was a trainwreck. In the wake of Roger's firing, it seemed like there was a revolving door of production regime change, they experimented with a bunch of stuff that didn't work, and the on-air product was not fun to watch at all. And to top it all off, the Perfect Bid incident burned most of the remaining goodwill between the show's production staff & members of the board.
12 years later, they've worked out most of those kinks, without trying to emulate Bob or Roger too closely. Drew's hosting is better, setups are better, they've settled on a consistent tone, LFaTs are still getting picked and even if they're not giving us personal backstage tours there's at least water under the bridge.
Survivorship bias also plays a part. The board mostly discusses the current show, and you're not likely going to remain active here for 12 years if you still think everything about the modern show sucks. There's still a few vocal purists--they just congregate on Roger's Facebook page instead of here. So you're left with two self-segregated tribes.
I totally respect Roger for his tenure on the show. I'm glad he's willing to interact with fans on his Facebook page and I love hearing old war stories from "the old days". But it's also obvious that he only sees the current show through jade-colored glasses, and he's not going to offer a compliment even when a compliment is due. I don't trust him to give a fair view of the current show, and I've kind of tuned him out.
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One example I thought of Roger being petty was him dismissing Vend-O-Price as simply "A game that does not work." Why not?! It's a rather quick grocery game and it actually makes you think outside the box a little bit. If Roger was still around I guarantee that game would be a 6th slot favorite because of how fast it plays.
Now, if he wanted to diss Pay the Rent, have at it! :P
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One example I thought of Roger being petty was him dismissing Vend-O-Price as simply "A game that does not work." Why not?! It's a rather quick grocery game and it actually makes you think outside the box a little bit. If Roger was still around I guarantee that gave would be a 6th slot favorite because of how fast it plays.
Now, if he wanted to diss Pay the Rent, have at it! :P
It's also one of the newer games that could easily fit in both eras completely as it is, prop included except for maybe the price reveals needing to be replaced by old school monitors probably. And that's a definite plus.
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'm not saying everyone should be hating on Drew, but why the contempt for Bob and Roger and even their fans, no less?
Because as time has passed fans are realizing that quite a few things Bob and Roger did and let go under the radar weren't ok and that some of roger's harping on the show now is not only unfair...but somewhat hypocritical. He and the production team made some errors in some elements of the show.
Again, I respect Roger, but it's becoming clear that he's not interested in even discussing the things the show has been doing right for the last 10-11 seasons and that in spite of things being slightly different (because at the end of the day they didn't change that much to the average viewer) the show is still a success.
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I'm not saying everyone should be hating on Drew, but why the contempt for Bob and Roger and even their fans, no less?
I think the big thing I see is that as time has gone on, Roger has just shown a level of bitterness about the show since his departure that it is distasteful. I get it - he was fired from the show, and it makes sense that he’s bitter. But what’s worse I think is the people who run to Roger’s facebook page, knowing full well how he feels and how he’s going to react, and bait him with “look what the show did today OMG!!!!!!” just so they can get him to react. I love reading the stories about how things were at Goodson-Todman back in the day, but the rest is rather hard to take.
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Because as time has passed fans are realizing that quite a few things Bob and Roger did and let go under the radar weren't ok and that some of roger's harping on the show now is not only unfair...but somewhat hypocritical. He and the production team made some errors in some elements of the show.
Again, I respect Roger, but it's becoming clear that he's not interested in even discussing the things the show has been doing right for the last 10-11 seasons and that in spite of things being slightly different (because at the end of the day they didn't change that much to the average viewer) the show is still a success.
It honestly comes down to that. I think Roger turning into this "I did everything right and everything that followed by firing was wrong" person has done a lot of damage to his reputation. The golden years with Marc & John were great times to have access backstage because Roger cared about the fans. However, the fact that he can't accept that the show is not his and the way he did things honestly has made him bitter. I'm sure Mark Goodson would probably have acquiesced to make changes if he were still alive. The show is around in 2020 because of his work, but the show did not revolve around him. The show revolved around Bob. The roving gang of idiots who post on his Facebook page all think the same as him. A lot of us here nowadays don't. It's understandable that things change. Opinions change. I think Mike Richards did a lot to get this show into the 21st century and if you ask sponsors and ratings, he did everything necessary. Could you imagine Season 50 in 2 years and it looked like Season 35?
Bob on the other hand, as we evolve as a society, we look at behaviour like his as sexist, misogynist, etc. Bob, Gene Rayburn, etc, came from the days when society was more accepting of this behaviour. Unlike Gene Rayburn, who was a comedian and always trying to be nice to female contestants. Bob Barker definitely was the more macho man who felt that he would have complete control. A lot of it he managed to keep intact during the years Dorothy Jo was alive. I'm sure part of the reason he did the Miss America and Miss Universe pageants was because of his thing for younger hotter women. After Dorothy Jo died, there was no reason to hold it in anymore. Dorothy Jo knew women saw him as an idol and he took advantage of it. Bob Barker nowadays wouldn't be called a predator, but definitely he'd be one of those looked very badly if the Dian/Holly/Janice/Kathleen stuff was happening nowadays rather than 40 years ago.
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Don't get me wrong I thoroughly enjoyed most of Bob's tenure of hosting. What I don't like is how there are people out there who even after how many years now are still Bob Barker purists. Those who believe he should be brought out of retirement to 'rescue' the show and Roger be brought back to his original position. While it's fine to have those feelings (Drew isn't everyone's cup of tea) it takes it to a whole 'nother level when it becomes an insult fest towards Drew, George, or anything the show is in it's current state. Many of us have moved on and accepted the show as it is now which may make it easier to look back and see that Bob was not perfect as many once believed. One major difference I see between Bob and Drew's hosting was Bob always referred to TPIR as 'HIS' show. It was his thing and if anything or anyone got in the way he'd do away with it regardless of how others felt (fur, models, foreign cars, etc...). He was beloved and he knew it. He could fire anyone, make cracks towards women, overweight people, Samoans, whoever, and people would still love him.
I consider myself a Bob Barker purist, but I'm intelligent enough to know that at Barker's age of 96, there's no way of him coming back to host the show again. I knew he wasn't coming back in 2007 and I think most of his fans did too. Most of that talk is probably folks longing for the good old days. They know it's not going to happen, but it's nice to reminisce. I've moved on too which is why you don't see me posting here very often. I love movies (horror and comedy are my favorite genres) and I have a rather large Blu-ray collection as well as DVDs and even some HD DVDs and LaserDiscs. Most of my free time is spent watching movies and commenting about movies and Blu-ray releases on another forum. When I do have the urge to watch a game show, I'll tune in to Buzzr or Youtube or I'll pull my VCR out of the mothballs and watch one of my old VHS tapes with game shows that I taped off of GSN during the golden years (1994-1997) or episodes of TPIR taped off of CBS from 1993 to 2007.
TPIR as it is now doesn't remind me of the same show that I watched at my grandma's house in the 1980s, the same way the modern Family Feud (1999-present) doesn't remind me of the awesome Ray Combs and Richard Dawson years. I guess I'm just old fashioned and like the things I grew up with.
As far as Bob making comments about Samoans, I never perceived those to be derogatory. He was pleading with them not to pick him up and throw him around. I certainly don't think he was making fun of them. He insulted fat people?
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Could you imagine Season 50 in 2 years and it looked like Season 35?
I'm not going to suggest that TPIR should still look like it did during season 35, but if it did, would that be such a terrible thing? The reason I say that is because people will watch a game show episode from the 1970s or 1980s (or even the 1950s or 1960s) on Buzzr and be able to have fun and enjoy it without harping on "the old ugly set" so why would a current episode of TPIR with the old set or a current episode of Family Feud with the Combs set be a deal breaker? If you can't fathom watching a new episode with a classic set, it seems like you wouldn't want to watch an old rerun (of any show) on Buzzr because it's outdated. Maybe a lot of folks here don't watch the classics on Buzzr?
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All is fine with the current set, but those big G-T asterisks that surround the studio. I think it makes the set way too "over-the-top".
The set would look much better as it is without those giant asterisk light, especially that the panels in between the blue curtains can now change color depending on the theme of an episode.
Additionally, there is completely NO problem that the show will downgrade their set to the look of a classic era. Season 35 had, if not the most, one of the most colorful sets that's attractive and pleasing to the eyes.
Last, it would be better if Drew can minimize joking around with the prices. Like, "$35 for a grill set?", I'm somehow annoyed with that.
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I'm not going to suggest that TPIR should still look like it did during season 35, but if it did, would that be such a terrible thing? The reason I say that is because people will watch a game show episode from the 1970s or 1980s (or even the 1950s or 1960s) on Buzzr and be able to have fun and enjoy it without harping on "the old ugly set" so why would a current episode of TPIR with the old set or a current episode of Family Feud with the Combs set be a deal breaker? If you can't fathom watching a new episode with a classic set, it seems like you wouldn't want to watch an old rerun (of any show) on Buzzr because it's outdated. Maybe a lot of folks here don't watch the classics on Buzzr?
My point is more that if you look at Wheel of Fortune, it has stagnated, badly. Even diehard fans of the show call out how stagnate it has become, no matter how much Harry has tried to get new ideas and modernization. I don't think the ratings would be as high if The Price is Right looked in Season 50 as it did in Season 35 (and I don't mean by set, but by atmosphere, etc.).
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I'm not going to suggest that TPIR should still look like it did during season 35, but if it did, would that be such a terrible thing? The reason I say that is because people will watch a game show episode from the 1970s or 1980s (or even the 1950s or 1960s) on Buzzr and be able to have fun and enjoy it without harping on "the old ugly set" so why would a current episode of TPIR with the old set or a current episode of Family Feud with the Combs set be a deal breaker? If you can't fathom watching a new episode with a classic set, it seems like you wouldn't want to watch an old rerun (of any show) on Buzzr because it's outdated. Maybe a lot of folks here don't watch the classics on Buzzr?
Love Buzzr, watch Buzzr all the time (Jack Narz's Concentration is appointment viewing for me.) Doesn't mean that I can't appreciate a few of the modern touches the show added due to updated technology. Take the pricing game Time is Money, a game which, frankly, stunk in its first incarnation is now one of the show's best cash games. The money countdown on the flatscreen enhances it.
I'll also add the new game show revivals on ABC prove that you can have the classic feel of a show and still have modern set design. The two can co-mingle.
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The thing is Buzzr (et al) have a very narrow, niche audience. The idea that people aren’t bothered by the old look and therefore the same would be true for current productions is just silly. What form of mass entertainment is presented in the same way with the same look and feel today that it was decades ago?
Wheel has reached the point I didn’t even realize the episodes airing recently were from past seasons—it all looks and feels so much the same that it’s trapped in time. That’s where Price was by the time Barker retired. Shaking off the rust took time and experimentation, and the result has been as good as anyone could reasonably expect.
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Shaking off the rust took time and experimentation, and the result has been as good as anyone could reasonably expect.
I agree and while I think she show has found its groove again, things were very rough for a while. Changing hosts caused growing pains, and changing exec producers brought an entirely different set of growing pains. Individually, it would have been difficult enough. Combined, even the best shows would have had trainwreck episodes.
My biggest gripe I have with today's show isn't even in the control of Adam or Drew. Price simply doesn't have the broadcast time it once did. This is why we see more quickies, why the prize descriptions are so fast, why Drew flies through the games. If there was another 4-6 minutes per show you could take the time to build up tension before reveals, and have more interesting contestant interactions. Those helped dull the frustration of the 0/6 and 1/6 shows with evil setups and facepalm-worthy decisions by the contestants. It's not like Drew is incapable of interesting interactions. Today's reveal in Bonus Game proved he can do a good tension build.
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Love Buzzr, watch Buzzr all the time (Jack Narz's Concentration is appointment viewing for me.) Doesn't mean that I can't appreciate a few of the modern touches the show added due to updated technology. Take the pricing game Time is Money, a game which, frankly, stunk in its first incarnation is now one of the show's best cash games. The money countdown on the flatscreen enhances it.
Speaking of Time is Money--I think that Roger's take on that was a prime example of being pretty unfair. Somebody asked what he thought about it, and he said something like "the gameplay makes no sense and is counterproductive--you're losing money as you go on! The big prize should be in play until the end of the game!"
Come on, Roger. First, Plinko is by far the most popular game. Second, what's the point of having a game called "Time is Money" if a faster time does not equal more money?
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How to say this—that complaint is just petty, bitter BS.
And to an earlier point, a few more minutes would be great. But such is the world we live in. Gotta play the hand you’re dealt. :D
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Speaking of Time is Money--I think that Roger's take on that was a prime example of being pretty unfair. Somebody asked what he thought about it, and he said something like "the gameplay makes no sense and is counterproductive--you're losing money as you go on! The big prize should be in play until the end of the game!"
Come on, Roger. First, Plinko is by far the most popular game. Second, what's the point of having a game called "Time is Money" if a faster time does not equal more money?
Wow! Sounds like Roger was a bit jelly that the new crew was able to make a game work that the old crew couldn't!
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It honestly comes down to that. I think Roger turning into this "I did everything right and everything that followed by firing was wrong" person has done a lot of damage to his reputation. The golden years with Marc & John were great times to have access backstage because Roger cared about the fans. However, the fact that he can't accept that the show is not his and the way he did things honestly has made him bitter. I'm sure Mark Goodson would probably have acquiesced to make changes if he were still alive. The show is around in 2020 because of his work, but the show did not revolve around him. The show revolved around Bob. The roving gang of idiots who post on his Facebook page all think the same as him. A lot of us here nowadays don't. It's understandable that things change. Opinions change. I think Mike Richards did a lot to get this show into the 21st century and if you ask sponsors and ratings, he did everything necessary. Could you imagine Season 50 in 2 years and it looked like Season 35?
Bob on the other hand, as we evolve as a society, we look at behaviour like his as sexist, misogynist, etc. Bob, Gene Rayburn, etc, came from the days when society was more accepting of this behaviour. Unlike Gene Rayburn, who was a comedian and always trying to be nice to female contestants. Bob Barker definitely was the more macho man who felt that he would have complete control. A lot of it he managed to keep intact during the years Dorothy Jo was alive. I'm sure part of the reason he did the Miss America and Miss Universe pageants was because of his thing for younger hotter women. After Dorothy Jo died, there was no reason to hold it in anymore. Dorothy Jo knew women saw him as an idol and he took advantage of it. Bob Barker nowadays wouldn't be called a predator, but definitely he'd be one of those looked very badly if the Dian/Holly/Janice/Kathleen stuff was happening nowadays rather than 40 years ago.
Just a correction there it was Miss USA not Miss America. Lol.
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Because as time has passed fans are realizing that quite a few things Bob and Roger did and let go under the radar weren't ok and that some of roger's harping on the show now is not only unfair...but somewhat hypocritical. He and the production team made some errors in some elements of the show.
Again, I respect Roger, but it's becoming clear that he's not interested in even discussing the things the show has been doing right for the last 10-11 seasons and that in spite of things being slightly different (because at the end of the day they didn't change that much to the average viewer) the show is still a success.
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Roger is still resentful of being fired from the show so that it could take "new directions" for younger generations and technological change. Research shows that as people age, they are less and less agreeable to change, and certainly in Roger's case, being forcibly given his walking papers from the show that made Bob and he icons. Roger will probably never say anything positive about the Drew era of the show for the rest of his life. I felt Roger should have stayed on and very fair compromising balances could have been made. The biggest problem now is the time constraints that the show now has, requiring that more ad-time be sold.
Drew is no Bob Barker, but he makes an honest effort more often than not at hosting. He really has to keep the show moving due to time restrictions.
Joe
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Look. Roger was dealt a bad hand. He went through the process of setting up and coordinating several audition episodes only the be told that all of it was for nothing and they were hiring Drew Carey for the "name factor," without an audition. He then had less than two months to put together a gameplan to teach someone, who admitted to having never seen the show, *at least* half the games and the show structure. And that was just so that the show would start a month late. All the while, this new host wasn't a fan of trying to learn/rehearse outside of the studio (what a shock for a comedian/improviser). His prior experience in game shows being a relaxed format setup around improv, even more relaxed with him as host, and $10 Million Range Game (I bet he had Range Game's rules down pat from the start). He adapted the best he could, but I'd bet being constantly overruled on many things left a bad taste in his mouth, as did being unceremoniously fired from an organization he put a lot of work into for 30+ years at that point. He was perhaps a bit too old fashioned in his producing, and Price definitely needed a shot in the arm that Roger was too stuck in his ways to even try a little, but he definitely wasn't treated that great.
Unfortunately, that treatment has left him far too bitter and critical of the show. There are certainly ideas that the show has done now that he would've done or considered in his post that are now outright dismissed. The positive things the show has done, like restoring the old door frames, simply go unmentioned so it can be a poo-poo party on his page. And I'll still follow. He still has great insight, tidbits, and stories from producing the show and working on other G-T productions. It's just a shame that we've got to wade through a bunch of crap to hear it.
It's also shame some people still can't see how much Drew has improved. I understand that it shouldn't have taken as long for him. Whereas someone like Mark L. Walberg or Todd Newton would've found a groove and knew all the games in a season or two, it took Drew at least 4 to find his consistent groove. While he had a fine time hosting the show the first couple of seasons. You could really tell that he enjoyed coming to work by Season 39/40. This past decade you could just see how much fun he was having. Part of it was finally finding a groove and paying attention to the games, part of it was the show having a steady family and chemistry with the models, George and Drew. Am I sitting here calling him perfect? No. He's far from it, and it's a shame we don't have someone closer to it. Some days are worthy of criticism that I'm ready to dish out. But at the same time, he's what we got and he's steering a fine ship and having fun doing it and it, for me, makes up for some of the shortcomings. I still most certainly enjoy this show very much.
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I think Drew is a great host because of his humility. Going from “star” to “host”, introducing Rich then George at the top of every show, Models getting microphones, male models. Drew is perfectly fine with being on the edge of the spotlight instead of the center.
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So, I started watching Price in the mid-90s when I was 4ish, or 5. But I wasn't really "hardcore watching" until Bob's final two seasons; but I did see the transition of Bob to Drew. Naturally, Drew was "tight" or "rigid" the first couple of years. I mean he's coming in on the heels of a legend that had cemented himself in our homes for 35 years, so there are big shoes to fill. I didn't like him at first, I'll be honest. I didn't want to see Bob go, and I didn't want to see the show change.
But, frankly, things got much better after Dob left and Mike got settled in. Drew was much more comfortable, he had picked up his own style, and the people generally seemed to love him. He had his quirks and humor that made him his own. The sad thing is that even to this day, as much as I respect Roger and his outstanding work along with Bob on the show, he can never say one positive thing about Drew or the show in general today. In his eyes, everything should have stayed in the 20th century; don't introduce new games, don't make set changes, and Drew is just terrible along with the rest of the staff. He doesn't like Drew's humor, but for God's sake, the man is a comedian! That was his life before Price and technically still is. And, of course, Dob has his band of "merry men" who cling on to his every word as gospel and he just has to be right no matter what.
Bottom line, Drew has definitely found his niche after 13 years and is doing an excellent job. He's no Bob, and rightfully so. Bob himself said he didn't want Drew (or whoever the choice was) to be a clone of him. He wanted them to be their own person and host their own way. I applaud Bob for that. If Price is around in 20+ years, will Drew still be there? I'm not sure. I could see him doing 35 years. It would put him at 85 years old, two years older than Bob was when he retired.
The problem is there are always going to be those who think Drew has always and will forever be just plain awful, whether it's Roger or his LFaTs. Yeah, the transition to Drew from Bob was not the best. Dob had no say in the choice and the suits already had their mind made up on Drew. But, I think that it was the best choice. And Mike's letting Roger go was a good decision because he knew it was going tp be nothing but headbutting on any changes no matter what they were. Roger is simply bitter and will never let it go. There's a reason Price is still going strong with Drew at the helm and he's retired spending his days drinking margaritas, traveling, and using Facebook to bash the current Price "administration." Just let it go, man; let...it...go...