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Studio 46 - Non-TPiR Discussion => Out In Left Field => Topic started by: goldroadfanatic on January 20, 2015, 10:05:50 AM
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Well this is a surprise. Buzzerblog (http://www.buzzerblog.com/2015/01/20/fox-tv-stations-pick-up-classic-game-shows-from-fremantle-library/) announced that a new feed called Buzzr TV will air on digital multicasts on Fox stations around the country. Many of the classics, including Password, Family Feud, Match Game, Blockbusters, and Card Sharks will air.
The biggest surprise is that old episodes of The Price is Right will be included. The question is, are they going back to the 1970s or are they starting with something more recent, like the 90s or 00s? Either way, it would be one heck of a treat to see old episodes airing on broadcast TV regularly for the first time since GSN stopped rerunning them 15 years ago.
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I'll put these here now, before we get some inevitably unnecessary and/or silly responses:
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Sadly my market is no where near in the top 17 markets in the U.S. (another article says at the moment only the top 17 markets, or about 37%, will have it, with hopefully the rest of the country to come soon). Would be nice to have though!
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I should be getting this soon and this topic looks to be interesting. That said, I hope this channel will be to GSN what Me-TV is to TV Land (and earlier Nick at Nite) and to what Boomerang is to Cartoon Network. I also REALLY hope that they air classic Wheel/Jeopardy! episode in addition, especially the seasons that GSN hasn't aired or those that I missed out on. With that said, I wonder if this may allow for a shift in scheduling for the current GSN toward even fewer classics then what's presently on (basically just a three hour morning block nowadays). I would imagine GSN may air more '90s/'00s classics in that AM timeslot such as Debt, Supermarket Sweep, Lifetime-era Shop Til You Drop, or the like if this channel is successful. It will also be interesting if certain bans are still in effect. Since Bob is still alive, I can assure no fur episodes will air, but will Holly/Dian episodes be allowed to air? If not, then that will mean Season 25 and up only episodes. I feel that the Holly/Dian has been relaxed, as I would like for Freemantle to pick up at mid-Season 12 where GSN left off. I'm definitely looking forward to their offerings!
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I also REALLY hope that they air classic Wheel/Jeopardy! episode in addition, especially the seasons that GSN hasn't aired or those that I missed out on
Fremantle is only airing its library. I'd imagine that it'd be too taxing to lease anyone else's.
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Read my first post in this thread, before you post. Because if you want something specific, as you inevitably do, read that image. It will tell you why it's not happening. The Buzzerblog press release is nicely specific, and to ask for anything outside of these as of right now, is a waste of internet space. Don't do that.
Shows to look for, taken from the article:
Titles include Family Feud featuring all hosts from Richard Dawson to present, The Price is Right, Let’s Make A Deal with Monty Hall, To Tell The Truth, Password, Match Game, Beat the Clock, What’s My Line?, Blockbusters, and Card Sharks.
On a personal note, my evaluation is that this means it's probably Drew only Price, given the name mentions of other hosts, like Hall and Dawson, as applicable, though it does make me wonder what era of TTTT is being shown, since it's not mentioned in the release. We should all be thankful that the budgets and projected revenues from this project directly benefit our interest as fans of the genre, and this excellent opportunity, to enjoy, record, log, track, whatever, should not be taken for granted.
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I do really like the idea of Fremantle airing its library of game shows, whatever that may be, but something concerns me.
What does this mean for GSN? Will they still be able to use the shows Buzzr uses, are they going to have to dig deeper to find other shows they can air, or will they just stop airing classics in general?
I am looking forward to Buzzr, but I'm more interested to see how, or if, GSN will be affected by this.
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I do really like the idea of Fremantle airing its library of game shows, whatever that may be, but something concerns me.
What does this mean for GSN? Will they still be able to use the shows Buzzr uses, are they going to have to dig deeper to find other shows they can air, or will they just stop airing classics in general?
I am looking forward to Buzzr, but I'm more interested to see how, or if, GSN will be affected by this.
That will not happen. There are broadcast contracts and cable contracts. Since Buzzr TV will be OTA digital, it is a broadcast network. So this and GSN can co exist, and GSN can keep airing what they have and get more from them in the future.
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This is great news. It'll give us game show fans more to watch than countless hours of Harvey Feud.
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I'll be looking for it!
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Great news! Hopefully they'll air some Tom Kennedy and TNPIR episodes not yet recapped.
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Yes, and hopefully by some miracle they air Dennis James episodes including that long sought after showcase tie show. :-D
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BTW, This channel is also being shopped around at the NATPE convention as we speak, so it should be coming to more areas as well!! For those of you clamoring for classic TPIR, don't hold your breath on seeing rarely seen episodes. Remember Bob is still with us, and will most likely have say on what will air or not. If his model ban is still in place, outside of a few episodes, we will not see episodes from 1977-1995 with Holly Hallstrom and of course episodes with fur coats.
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Well, since GSN won't show Price reruns anymore due to too much red tape, I think that this is a good alternative. I hope it comes to my cable lineup soon.
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I'm a bit confused on what this actually is. Is it a schedule of game shows that will air on Fox affiliates under the Buzzr TV brand or is Buzzr TV is a separate channel altogether? Not that it's likely to be available in my market but I definitely like the concept.
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I'm a bit confused on what this actually is. Is it a schedule of game shows that will air on Fox affiliates under the Buzzr TV brand or is Buzzr TV is a separate channel altogether? Not that it's likely to be available in my market but I definitely like the concept.
This is separate channel altogether, but will be a digital channel of the Fox O & O stations. This channel is also being shopped around at the NATPE convention as we speak, so it will be coming to more areas as well. Don't lose hope yet!!
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I would say it's probably not a good idea to get too excited about the Price is Right reruns being included in this deal. If I had to guess, it'll probably be Drew shows that get aired so as not to take away from the first-run shows.
Ditto the Family Feud episodes likely being Steve Harvey shows.
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The press release said "All hosts of Family Feud, from Richard Dawson to the present." So, there is a chance, not a certainty, that non-Harvey episodes will air.
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The press release said "All hosts of Family Feud, from Richard Dawson to the present." So, there is a chance, not a certainty, that non-Harvey episodes will air.
There is a CERTAINTY the other hosts WILL air. The other articles stated that Harvey Feud would be added eventually.
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Good news: Our Fox affiliate (WAGA/ch. 5) is a Fox O&O. The bad news: We don't get the local subchannels on DirecTV and WAGA's signal is too far away for us (40 miles north and through irregular terrain) to receive adequately OTA.
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I've read Prizes' post a few times now, but I seriously can't help but notice 3 specific titles missing from that list: "Sale of the Century", "Press Your Luck", and "Scrabble". Yes, 2 of those series are running on GSN [but so are MG and CS]. However, I also see "Blockbusters" on that list.....I seriously think the casual viewer/channel surfer will not remember BB as well as most of the other listed shows. SOTC, PYL, and "Scrabble"----yes.
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I'm a bit confused on what this actually is. Is it a schedule of game shows that will air on Fox affiliates under the Buzzr TV brand or is Buzzr TV is a separate channel altogether? Not that it's likely to be available in my market but I definitely like the concept.
Many markets have television stations that are going the multicast route. Assuming your CBS affiliate is KPHO-TV, their main station is broadcast on channel 5.1 and Weather Now is broadcast on 5.2. Sometimes, local cable companies will carry multicast channels, sometimes not. Satellite companies generally don't carry them.
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I've read Prizes' post a few times now, but I seriously can't help but notice 3 specific titles missing from that list: "Sale of the Century", "Press Your Luck", and "Scrabble". Yes, 2 of those series are running on GSN [but so are MG and CS]. However, I also see "Blockbusters" on that list.....I seriously think the casual viewer/channel surfer will not remember BB as well as most of the other listed shows. SOTC, PYL, and "Scrabble"----yes.
I think what the press release was doing was mentioning the shows of their biggest library, and presumably what would make up a majority of the schedule, Goodson-Todman. I think they probably threw in LMAD because that's still currently on the air.
I would suppose that the lack of mention of a host for The Price is Right could mean that they're ironing things out, either with Bob and the models or with Drew.
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I think what the press release was doing was mentioning the shows of their biggest library, and presumably what would make up a majority of the schedule, Goodson-Todman. I think they probably threw in LMAD because that's still currently on the air.
I would suppose that the lack of mention of a host for The Price is Right could mean that they're ironing things out, either with Bob and the models or with Drew.
Hence my earlier post regarding this.
BTW, This channel is also being shopped around at the NATPE convention as we speak, so it should be coming to more areas as well!! For those of you clamoring for classic TPIR, don't hold your breath on seeing rarely seen episodes. Remember Bob is still with us, and will most likely have say on what will air or not. If his model ban is still in place, outside of a few episodes, we will not see episodes from 1977-1995 with Holly Hallstrom and of course episodes with fur coats.
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and I wonder how this affects both Game TV and GSN
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and I wonder how this affects both Game TV and GSN
It really doesn't. It is limiting them from Harvey Feud right now, but otherwise GSN won't really be affected (except for maybe ratings eventually) and GAME TV in Canada runs mostly shows that were done in Canada. They don't the rights to a lot of American content.
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BTW, This channel is also being shopped around at the NATPE convention as we speak, so it should be coming to more areas as well!! For those of you clamoring for classic TPIR, don't hold your breath on seeing rarely seen episodes. Remember Bob is still with us, and will most likely have say on what will air or not. If his model ban is still in place, outside of a few episodes, we will not see episodes from 1977-1995 with Holly Hallstrom and of course episodes with fur coats.
I think we'll just have to wait and see which episodes will be green-lighted. Whether this means the classic Cullen era (which I'm guessing Bob Barker has little to no say over) is also included, or if Barker will relent on episodes with fur coats as prizes/Holly Hallstrom as a model is truly anyone's guess at this point.
That said, if there is indeed a "ban" on Hallstrom-era episodes (as there apparently still is with fur episodes), it will be interesting to see if it will be lifted upon Bob Barker's death, or if there is a clause in his will or something that will extend the ban. Same with the "fur" ban ... will he try to have it extended well past his death, or will Fox O&O/GSN/Freemantle be allowed to disregard any "bans" without penalty.
It's also interesting to note that this alleged "Holly Hallstrom ban" does not include Janice Pennington, Dian Parkinson or Kathleen Bradley. I'd think that, as much as he is said to despise them -- he refused to comment about them in a USA Today article, and also did not even regard them in his autobiography -- he'd also try to not allow any episodes where he worked with them to air.
In any case, will wait to see when this channel debuts in the Cedar Rapids-Iowa City and Quad Cities markets.
Brian
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I think we'll just have to wait and see which episodes will be green-lighted. Whether this means the classic Cullen era (which I'm guessing Bob Barker has little to no say over) is also included, or if Barker will relent on episodes with fur coats as prizes/Holly Hallstrom as a model is truly anyone's guess at this point.
That said, if there is indeed a "ban" on Hallstrom-era episodes (as there apparently still is with fur episodes), it will be interesting to see if it will be lifted upon Bob Barker's death, or if there is a clause in his will or something that will extend the ban. Same with the "fur" ban ... will he try to have it extended well past his death, or will Fox O&O/GSN/Freemantle be allowed to disregard any "bans" without penalty.
It's also interesting to note that this alleged "Holly Hallstrom ban" does not include Janice Pennington, Dian Parkinson or Kathleen Bradley. I'd think that, as much as he is said to despise them -- he refused to comment about them in a USA Today article, and also did not even regard them in his autobiography -- he'd also try to not allow any episodes where he worked with them to air.
In any case, will wait to see when this channel debuts in the Cedar Rapids-Iowa City and Quad Cities markets.
Brian
If he banned episodes with Janice and Kathleen, the majority of TPIR would be unusable. We know it's not with Janice or else we wouldn't have had the first three discs of the TPIR set released in 2008. Yes we will have to wait and hope that in his twilight years Barker has loosened up a bit, but for some reason I highly doubt that.
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If he banned episodes with Janice and Kathleen, the majority of TPIR would be unusable. We know it's not with Janice or else we wouldn't have had the first three discs of the TPIR set released in 2008. Yes we will have to wait and hope that in his twilight years Barker has loosened up a bit, but for some reason I highly doubt that.
If he banned Janice's episodes, EVERYTHING prior to 2000 is a no-go. Full stop.
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If he banned episodes with Janice and Kathleen, the majority of TPIR would be unusable. We know it's not with Janice or else we wouldn't have had the first three discs of the TPIR set released in 2008. Yes we will have to wait and hope that in his twilight years Barker has loosened up a bit, but for some reason I highly doubt that.
I know that, hence why I said, "It's also interesting to note that this alleged 'Holly Hallstrom ban' does not include Janice Pennington, Dian Parkinson or Kathleen Bradley." To wit, for some reason the ban only includes Holly -- if it actually does exist -- but doesn't apply to other models that he has come to hate with such unbridled passion.
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Whoa! There's going to be classic Price is Right shows in this Buzzr TV?
Whoo-hoo!
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I wonder when this will start and whether this will be carried on DirecTV.
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I'll put these here now, before we get some inevitably unnecessary and/or silly responses:
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Do smaller sub-networks, as I call them, really bring in all that much ad revenue? If not, then why degrade the quality of programming by either speeding up or editing shows just to make room for ads that will bring very little profit? I assume late night hours will be devoted entirely to paid programming, and the majority of whatever revenue is made will probably come from that, so why bother trying to squeeze in a few more dollars (almost literally) by airing an Oxyclean ad that causes both SCSDs to be sped up to the point that the Big Wheel looks like it will fall off because it's going so fast? If this were a cable network, that would be a different story, but it's just a small channel leeching off a much larger affiliate.
I wonder when this will start and whether this will be carried on DirecTV.
I doubt DirecTV will carry it, as it will be a digital sub-channel in pretty much every market it's in, and as someone else pointed out, satellite companies typically don't carry those channels. This is unfortunate for me, because I live too far away from Nashville to receive OTA channels (at least with decent reception), and cable isn't available in my very rural area.
Is it possible that the channel will be streamed live over the net so everyone can watch? *fingers crossed*
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I'm not sure how 'specialty' channels work and whatnot, but does anyone think there is any possibility of this being available in Canada or will it be another one of these 'USA exclusive' things?
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If I had to guess, I'd say Canada sees this just after hell freezes over.
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I doubt DirecTV will carry it, as it will be a digital sub-channel in pretty much every market it's in, and as someone else pointed out, satellite companies typically don't carry those channels.
Dang it! I'm gonna miss all the fun. Snookered again! :-x
Well, the only thing I can hope is that someone here will record 'em all and upload 'em to YouTube unless the buzzr channel uploads them for those who can't get Buzzr.
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When they launch, they should do a weeks worth of the best game show episodes (firsts lasts etc) before doing the regular schedule. I hope this network will include Lets Make A Deal.
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As far as ad revenue and infomercials, MeTV and Antenna TV seem to do just fine with 24/7 shows and no infomercials. The local Antenna TV station (WJW 8.2) even inserts local ads from local advertisers sometimes, so apparently it's either dirt cheap to buy ad time or worth it to the advertisers, or both. Antenna TV and MeTV are more worthwhile than PAX/i/Ion/whatever in that respect. Hopefully Buzzr doesn't carry a lot of infomercials such that they turn off cable carriers.
The digital subchannels are growing; the Justice channel just started and replaced weather radar (why in the middle of winter? why not add it to another available subchannel?) on WKYC 3.2. MeTV replaced weather on WOIO 19.2, so now there is no all-the-time weather radar station here when there used to be two. Guess using 19.3 and 3.3 costs more than it's worth.
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When they launch, they should do a weeks worth of the best game show episodes (firsts lasts etc) before doing the regular schedule. I hope this network will include Lets Make A Deal.
As prizes mentioned earlier, LMAD will be included, though with Monty Hall as host. It'll also be interesting to see if the Cullen TPIR will be aired in addition to the more-familiar version that has been in place since 1972. And just how much TPIR will be seen, of course, is up to Bob, who has banned episodes featuring fur coats and other animal-based products, as well as those that have Holly as a model. And sadly, I don't see those bans ending upon his death either, so we'd be left with just a limited number of episodes from the last twelve or so years of his tenure.
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As prizes mentioned earlier, LMAD will be included, though with Monty Hall as host. It'll also be interesting to see if the Cullen TPIR will be aired in addition to the more-familiar version that has been in place since 1972. And just how much TPIR will be seen, of course, is up to Bob, who has banned episodes featuring fur coats and other animal-based products, as well as those that have Holly as a model. And sadly, I don't see those bans ending upon his death either, so we'd be left with just a limited number of episodes from the last twelve or so years of his tenure.
More than that Teddy. The only episodes we won't be able to see are from 1977-1995. Anything before and after that are fair game.
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There was also the brief period during Season 12 (1983-84) where Holly left to pursue an acting career, which didn't pan out.
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I don't see those bans ending upon his death either
Really??? He doesn't own the show as far as I know! If Fremantle wants to air those shows, it's up to them! I can't understand that whole veto/ban situation. It's silly and because of that, we can't see decades worth of classic shows.
Edit: Thinking of it, I've uploaded Holly Hallstrom videos on YouTube, and Fremantle claimed the rights, but no one asked me to remove the said videos... So I'm pretty sure they can do whatever they want.
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It's not Fremantle, it Barker. He can't really "Ban" Holly's shows, but what's most likely happening is he's not clearing his appearances on her shows. Appearance not cleared, you can't air the show. That simple. Yes Fremantle owns the show, but Barker will hold tight reins on them until the day he dies and possibly after that.
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But think about how quickly the episode would go by if they edited out all of the shots in which you could see Barker!
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As I had mentioned from the articles before, Buzzr TV is being shopped around at the annual NATPE Convention to see if more station groups will sign on. Today is the last day of the NATPE Convention, so hopefully after today we will here some more good news of more areas getting this at the summer launch!!
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When GSN aired Family Feud with Ray Combs as far back as 2007, they were able to show episodes from 1991 & 1993, featuring Holly. Also, in one of the Game Show Moments Gone Bananas specials, there was a TPiR clip with Holly.
Imad
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When GSN aired Family Feud with Ray Combs as far back as 2007, they were able to show episodes from 1991 & 1993, featuring Holly. Also, in one of the Game Show Moments Gone Bananas specials, there was a TPiR clip with Holly.
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That was probably because it was "Family Feud," and since he was only a guest on that show, he had no say in clearing her episode. He might have tried, bet your luck, but figuratively speaking he was probably shown the door and told (not so nicely) to get out.
Same goes with "Match Game" where she was a panelist.
That all said, with regard to several remarks lately suggesting that Barker's ban on Holly Hallstrom-era episodes will extend past his death (as will episodes in which a fur was a prize), I am merely asking. I am not meaning it to suggest that an indefinite ban is definitely in place ... I don't think he legally can do so because HE DOESN'T OWN THE SHOW!!!
In fact, I'm going to go on record and suggest that, because Barker has retired from show business, any television network ought to be able to show any episode of "The Price is Right" if they so choose without fear of reprisal, and if Bob Barker objects, he can cry and pout as much as he wants to but there is nothing he can do except not watch the shows.
I truly am surprised he has not tried to force the removal of uploaded YouTube/other video sharing sites uploaded TPiR episodes with furs and Holly Hallstrom. Or has he?
Sorry to get off-track a bit, but ... .
Brian
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That was probably because it was "Family Feud," and since he was only a guest on that show, he had no say in clearing her episode. He might have tried, bet your luck, but figuratively speaking he was probably shown the door and told (not so nicely) to get out.
Same goes with "Match Game" where she was a panelist.
That all said, with regard to several remarks lately suggesting that Barker's ban on Holly Hallstrom-era episodes will extend past his death (as will episodes in which a fur was a prize), I am merely asking. I am not meaning it to suggest that an indefinite ban is definitely in place ... I don't think he legally can do so because HE DOESN'T OWN THE SHOW!!!
In fact, I'm going to go on record and suggest that, because Barker has retired from show business, any television network ought to be able to show any episode of "The Price is Right" if they so choose without fear of reprisal, and if Bob Barker objects, he can cry and pout as much as he wants to but there is nothing he can do except not watch the shows.
I truly am surprised he has not tried to force the removal of uploaded YouTube/other video sharing sites uploaded TPiR episodes with furs and Holly Hallstrom. Or has he?
Sorry to get off-track a bit, but ... .
Brian
But one thing you're forgetting. He has NEVER owned the show, but that hasn't stopped him from what he was or possibly is doing. I, along with everyone else, am hoping that since he retired that should loosen some things up but I have a strong hunch it is not the case. Just because he retired, doesn't mean Fremantle won't kiss up to him anymore.
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I suppose it's possible, but I find it hard to believe that Bob could choose not to clear his appearances on shows. Indefinite clearance (subject to the payment of appropriate royalties) is normally a basic part of a contract for a show's principal talent. You've read plenty of stories over the years with actors who feel they've been cheated on the backend of a TV show. If they could gain leverage in the legal process by refusing to allow their scenes to be used, don't you think they would?
The fact is, we've never had a definite explanation of what terms Bob has been able to dictate on reruns, and what gives him the ability to set those terms.
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He could have very well had a clause written into his contract that allowed him to have veto-power on episode replays. This would be especially true after he became Executive Producer, which would have given him authority over the program. But he still had to answer to the program's owners, Mark Goodson and CBS.
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I suppose it's possible, but I find it hard to believe that Bob could choose not to clear his appearances on shows. Indefinite clearance (subject to the payment of appropriate royalties) is normally a basic part of a contract for a show's principal talent. You've read plenty of stories over the years with actors who feel they've been cheated on the backend of a TV show. If they could gain leverage in the legal process by refusing to allow their scenes to be used, don't you think they would?
The fact is, we've never had a definite explanation of what terms Bob has been able to dictate on reruns, and what gives him the ability to set those terms.
This was somewhat established when BCI was putting together the TPIR DVD set and came on Golden-Road.net to get suggestions on what should be on the DVD set. They explained not only the fur veto, but the veto of other hosts and models.
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Yes, I understand that Bob has a de facto veto over reruns, but it's never been confirmed how he got that. Is it in his contract? If so, does it expire at some point? Are his requests being honored for some other reason? That's what I'd like to know.
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This was somewhat established when BCI was putting together the TPIR DVD set and came on Golden-Road.net to get suggestions on what should be on the DVD set. They explained not only the fur veto, but the veto of other hosts and models.
Well, if that's true, then the fact that he is no longer hosting the show -- in essence, retired from show business -- he ought to cede all rights to what is aired and not aired.
If there is indeed some clause that allows him to approve or disapprove what is aired or not, then if I were Holly Hallstrom, then I'd hire the best attorney I could find and battle it all the way to the Supreme Court if need be. (I don't give a rat's a** if he's 91 years old.)
For me, his stubborn ban would give me more of a reason to air the "banned" shows, and if he doesn't like it, he can have me arrested.
Brian
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Well, if that's true, then the fact that he is no longer hosting the show -- in essence, retired from show business -- he ought to cede all rights to what is aired and not aired.
If there is indeed some clause that allows him to approve or disapprove what is aired or not, then if I were Holly Hallstrom, then I'd hire the best attorney I could find and battle it all the way to the Supreme Court if need be. (I don't give a rat's a** if he's 91 years old.)
For me, his stubborn ban would give me more of a reason to air the "banned" shows, and if he doesn't like it, he can have me arrested.
Brian
That's a bit extreme, lol. Our only hope is that Barker has lightened up and unless he has then we are just going to have to do with shows from 1972-1976 and from, a BIG maybe, 1997-2007 but most likely 2000-2007. Yes that makes the majority of Bob's run un-airable, but I guess it's better than nothing.
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I could live with only 1997-2007 episodes, but then again, that's the period I most associate with my love of the show because of my childhood. I don't believe I've seen this asked yet, but is it possible the '94 Davidson episodes will air? That'd be a nice treat.
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;) Do you think that they will show any early Drew Carey Price episodes? (2007-2008) That would be worth seeing right there.
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Excited about this, especially if it means TPIR reruns will finally see the light of day again.
Remaining optimistic about we get to see. Really -- "But Holly's in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Janice and Kathleen are in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dian is in the episode, so it can't be shown. But there's a fur coat in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Marc Breslow directed the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dennis James hosted the episode, so it can't be shown." Enough Already with the ridiculous bans. It's time.
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Excited about this, especially if it means TPIR reruns will finally see the light of day again.
Remaining optimistic about we get to see. Really -- "But Holly's in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Janice and Kathleen are in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dian is in the episode, so it can't be shown. But there's a fur coat in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Marc Breslow directed the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dennis James hosted the episode, so it can't be shown." Enough Already with the ridiculous bans. It's time.
Tell that to Barker, lol. I am hoping for the best and hoping that things have changed. It has been almost 7 years since The best of TPIR was released on DVD and almost 15 years since Price last aired on GSN. The channel doesn't launch until this summer, I have indirectly heard the premiere date is August 3rd but don't quote me on that. Let's wait until then to see what the situation with Price will be.
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;) Do you think that they will show any early Drew Carey Price episodes? (2007-2008) That would be worth seeing right there.
I hope so. Cause I missed Drew Carey's entire first year as host due to the fact i was still in high school.
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I hope so. Cause I missed Drew Carey's entire first year as host due to the fact i was still in high school.
As transitional as it may have been, Season 36 was one of the most memorable because of a number of things that happened then: hosting change (duh!), new set and theme song (OK, more like updated), and the first million-dollar winners (three of them, as a matter of fact) come to mind.
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We can stop debating on what episodes of TPIR will air on Buzzr when it premieres. A member of Game Show Forum got an e-mail from a Fremantle rep stating that Price won't be on the channel when it launches, but it may be programmed at a future date.
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Price won't be on the channel when it launches
Bob is evil.
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That's disappointing to here, but given that Price wasn't on GSN at its launch, I'm hopeful for it being added somewhere along the line.
One of the interesting things I've seen mentioned (here (http://www.tvinsider.com/article/212/retro-game-shows-find-a-new-network-home)) is the possible inclusion of Louie Anderson Feud. I don't think that's been reran anywhere before so it'll be great to see those episodes again. I mean, I know Anderson Feud is probably more remembered for Anderson's poor hosting towards the end of his run, but it brings back childhood memories as I remember watching it and Louie Anderson's animated series at the time. He was everywhere for a bit back then, wasn't he?
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One thing's for sure: looking at the early years of the current run of Feud shows how intent the producers were to have a "wrestling" motif and distance the show from the familiar look it maintained for about 20 years in an attempt to be "hip." Ironically, the classic look returned and has been nicely updated for the 21st century.
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One of the interesting things I've seen mentioned (here (http://www.tvinsider.com/article/212/retro-game-shows-find-a-new-network-home)) is the possible inclusion of Louie Anderson Feud. I don't think that's been reran anywhere before so it'll be great to see those episodes again.
PAX reran the show a year behind the current one (I know a few of the PAX-aired episodes and clips that are on YouTube are from Season 3), and GSN aired two Season 2 episodes as part of a 12-hour Family Feud marathon (divided as "one hour for each of the first six hosts, then six hours for the guy who is actually getting us money and ratings") some time ago.
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It seems like a no-brainer to me to have Price episodes at launch because of its popularity and high ratings and such, but maybe there are other factors preventing it, such as getting certain episodes cleared by Bob. If that be the case, maybe they can work things out and we'll get everything cleared to air.
GSN aired two Season 2 episodes as part of a 12-hour Family Feud marathon (divided as "one hour for each of the first six hosts, then six hours for the guy who is actually getting us money and ratings") some time ago.
Thanksgiving Day 2013, to be exact.
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Excited about this, especially if it means TPIR reruns will finally see the light of day again.
Remaining optimistic about we get to see. Really -- "But Holly's in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Janice and Kathleen are in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dian is in the episode, so it can't be shown. But there's a fur coat in the episode, so it can't be shown. But Marc Breslow directed the episode, so it can't be shown. But Dennis James hosted the episode, so it can't be shown." Enough Already with the ridiculous bans. It's time.
Tell that to Barker, lol. I am hoping for the best and hoping that things have changed. It has been almost 7 years since The best of TPIR was released on DVD and almost 15 years since Price last aired on GSN. The channel doesn't launch until this summer, I have indirectly heard the premiere date is August 3rd but don't quote me on that. Let's wait until then to see what the situation with Price will be.
Look, I agree that we'll have to wait and see about the status of "Price" on this new channel and what episodes, if any, can be seen. But my verdict is -- as I've stated before -- is that Bob is retired, he has ceased active involvement in the show, and he no longer has the right (IMO, anyway) to dictate what can or cannot be viewed.
I understand he wants to distance himself as much as possible from cooing to female contestants that "You'll look GREAT in that wonderful fur coat" or from Holly-Dian-Janice-Kathleen as possible ... but the historic record shows this all happened. He may be successful in getting them banned from television, but there is a Higher Power he can never strike it from, no matter what the clause may be in his contracts, will or whatever.
And, for that matter, why hasn't he gotten the guts to ban certain episodes he doesn't like from YouTube or other video sharing services? (Sony has been very successful, after all, in virtually wiping "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" from YouTube, so who's to say Barker doesn't have enough pull to try to remove his "Price" work with Holly Hallstrom from YouTube and all of the web.) Why hasn't he gone around to TPiR fans' homes, who might have "fur" and "Holly" episodes on video and try to confiscate them and take them to the landfill? Why hasn't he gone to Freemantle to demand the "I don't want these episodes ever seen again" episodes wiped and refuse to leave until they are, in fact, erased?
If there's episodes I'd really like to see, its from the only season that seems to never have been reaired anywhere (and also has virtually nothing uploaded to YouTube): 1978-1979; plus Barker-era syndicated episodes from 1977-1980 (save for the final episode, which has been uploaded). Of course, that remains to be seen what actually is aired/"airable."
Sorry for the rant and if it seems unreasonable, but I had to speak.
Brian
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Bob is evil.
And to think that Jefferson Graham's book, "The Game Show Book," made him out to be the best, warmest, kindest, gentlest game show host ever (although that book is more than 25 years old) while virtually calling the likes of Alex Trebek and Richard Dawson egomaniacal or stoic jerks. And their material will be aired on Buzzr, I'm sure.
Speaking of which, for Trebek, his best-known effort with G-T (now Freemantle) is probably "Classic Concentration." While I'm sure it's almost a given that "Double Dare" and "To Tell the Truth" will be aired on this new channel, what about "Classic Concentration" -- is that still unable to be cleared due to rights held by NBC? And what about the 1973-1978 Narz version of "Concentration"?
(P.S.: I apologize if "Concentration" has been discussed already in this thread.)
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As they say, better late than never. Here's hoping that TPIR will be added sooner after the channel's launch. After all, given the 43 years of rich history, it deserves to be seen the most.
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But my verdict is -- as I've stated before -- is that Bob is retired, he has ceased active involvement in the show, and he no longer has the right (IMO, anyway) to dictate what can or cannot be viewed.
What you, and many MANY others, fail to understand is that while Bob is no longer on the payroll (he'll always be associated with Price) he does have complete control over his image & how it is used. If he doesn't want his image used, he has every right to say so.
Whether anyone likes that or not, too bad. That's how it is and you're going to have to get over it. There's also the very real possibility that Bob has a clause in his will that dictates how his estate will allow his image to be used. If I want to make an Elvis tshirt, I have to have permission from the Elvis estate first. If they say no, then I can't make a tshirt. If I make it anyway then I'll be hearing from their lawyers.
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What you, and many MANY others, fail to understand is that while Bob is no longer on the payroll (he'll always be associated with Price) he does have complete control over his image & how it is used. If he doesn't want his image used, he has every right to say so.
Whether anyone likes that or not, too bad. That's how it is and you're going to have to get over it. There's also the very real possibility that Bob has a clause in his will that dictates how his estate will allow his image to be used. If I want to make an Elvis tshirt, I have to have permission from the Elvis estate first. If they say no, then I can't make a tshirt. If I make it anyway then I'll be hearing from their lawyers.
The last point is just speculation at this point, regarding the use of Bob Barker's image and work after his death. My whole point is -- and a lot of others is -- is that he is holding this grudge and, right or wrong, he's going to have to relent, not only to help his image and how he's perceived after his death, but to allow his fans to enjoy his work in his remaining years and thereafter. By stubbornly refusing to allow his work on television -- both what is actually banned (i.e. fur episodes) and what we think may or may not be banned (Holly Hallstrom episodes) -- he is only creating for himself the image of a man who is cold and controlling behind the scenes and it is affecting many fans' perception of his onstage persona.
As far as the Dennis James episodes, since Bob Barker is no longer on the payroll ... wouldn't it make sense for him to cede control (whatever control he actually has) of whether those shows are seen in the future? Again, it is NOT Bob Barker's show, no matter how much he is identified with the program ... it was Goodson-Todman's show, and is now Freemantle's. What they decide to do with Dennis James-hosted episodes should be for them to decide and it's Bob Barker who needs to get over it.
And as I've tried to pose before, if Bob Barker wields so much "influence" over how his image, etc. is used, then why isn't he trying to actively have any "banned" shows removed from all existence, including removal from video sharing services like YouTube?
Brian
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Speaking of "image" and use after one's death ... this brings about the question of the "Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour" and whether this series will be aired by Buzzr.
I know that during his lifetime, and after his death, there was speculation that Gene Rayburn had a lot of say in having that show not be re-aired because of his dissatisfaction with working with Jon Bauman and the overall product. I wonder if there was some sort of agreement set up for future reruns (or not) of this show, such as a clause in Rayburn's will that says no reruns of "MG-HS."
Brian
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I think Gene specifically was against reruns of Break the Bank episodes he hosted in 1985, as he claimed his performance or that show itself to be an embarrassment to his career.
The issue with The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour is that both Sony and Fremantle hold the rights to it, (Sony with Squares and Fremantle with Match Game). Both companies would have to come to an understanding about how to lease it before it sees the light of day, I'd imagine, barring any clause in Rayburn's will that bans rerunning it.
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I think Gene specifically was against reruns of Break the Bank episodes he hosted in 1985, as he claimed his performance or that show itself to be an embarrassment to his career.
The issue with The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour is that both Sony and Fremantle hold the rights to it, (Sony with Squares and Fremantle with Match Game). Both companies would have to come to an understanding about how to lease it before it sees the light of day, I'd imagine, barring any clause in Rayburn's will that bans rerunning it.
It is true, Gene did squelch re-reuns of BTB. I believe CBS owns the rights Squares after absorbing King World, who bought them from Orion/MGM before producing the Bergeron version.
Fremantle could just buy off Barker and get him to concede to air the show. But if his veto power of his run isn't in perpetuity, once he dies, they could run everything.
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Fremantle could just buy off Barker and get him to concede to air the show. But if his veto power of his run isn't in perpetuity, once he dies, they could run everything.
I could imagine this for a deal... Have Fremantle buy off Barker for the control...with a nice donation to his DJT Foundation charity as the "cherry on top".
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I think Gene specifically was against reruns of Break the Bank episodes he hosted in 1985, as he claimed his performance or that show itself to be an embarrassment to his career.
The issue with The Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour is that both Sony and Fremantle hold the rights to it, (Sony with Squares and Fremantle with Match Game). Both companies would have to come to an understanding about how to lease it before it sees the light of day, I'd imagine, barring any clause in Rayburn's will that bans rerunning it.
I don't know ... how much of a discussion/negotiations would there need to be for any network to rerun "MG-HS Hour"? I'd imagine such a deal would be, in theory, relatively easy to negotiate but then again it's probably far more complicated than it would be on paper.
As far as both that show and "Break the Bank" 1985, not that anyone's clamoring for the latter show's reruns, but I think that now that he's passed (for 15-plus years as of this writing), I think it would be fairly safe to reair those shows. Anyone who's seen his other body of work would be able to put BtB into its proper context and they won't think any worse of him. I mean, I'm sure Bill Cullen has hosted worse shows and had other moments he'd rather forget, as do we all in our own careers.
FWIW, though, I always thought the ban on Rayburn-hosted BtB episodes only applied to the then-current syndicated run and any reruns that might have appeared on USA or other network in the few years after the show's run ended. I never thought it was a "permanent" ban ... and like Barker-hosted TPiR shows with furs or models he apparently hates with such unbridled passion, a few fall 1985 BtBs are on YouTube and there's no effort that I'm aware of to wipe those shows off YouTube.
Brian
BTW: Who does own the right to the 1985-1986 "Break the Bank"?
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BTW: Who does own the right to the 1985-1986 "Break the Bank"?
Around that time, Kline & Friends, but as of now, I'm not quite sure.
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Per Adam Nedeff on Facebook (although I cannot recall specifically where), Gene only had an embargo on his version of Break the Bank. As much as Rayburn had ample reason to bar Match Game-Hollywood Squares from repeats, he never did.
Anyone who's seen his other body of work would be able to put BtB into its proper context and they won't think any worse of [Gene].
The issue was not with Gene, but that Kline & Friends gave him very little of a pre-show briefing (he wanders around aimlessly several times during the bonus round) and would berate him for making jokes during what they considered to be a serious and suspenseful show. At least one episode near the end of his 13-week tenure has Gene noticeably going through the motions.
I mean, I'm sure Bill Cullen has hosted worse shows and had other moments he'd rather forget,
From what I can tell, Bill was not particularly fond of Winning Streak...although given its complicated rules and that it replaced Three on a Match solely so Lin Bolen could have another "flashy" big-money show to appeal to the housewives, this would not be particularly surprising.
FWIW, though, I always thought the ban on Rayburn-hosted BtB episodes only applied to the then-current syndicated run and any reruns that might have appeared on USA or other network in the few years after the show's run ended. I never thought it was a "permanent" ban
As far as I am aware, the only network that aired repeats was CBN in late 1986, and solely consisted of Farago shows. I suspect that if there were any repeats in mid-1986 (before the show was replaced by Strike It Rich, another Kline & Friends series), none of them were Rayburn episodes.
what about "Classic Concentration" -- is that still unable to be cleared due to rights held by NBC? And what about the 1973-1978 Narz version of "Concentration"?
At the very least, I believe that Fremantle would have an easier time with it given that GSN would have had to go through Fremantle and NBC.
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Per Adam Nedeff on Facebook (although I cannot recall specifically where), Gene only had an embargo on his version of Break the Bank. As much as Rayburn had ample reason to bar Match Game-Hollywood Squares from repeats, he never did.
So then, the only issue is getting through the red tape of cross-ownership with Sony/whomever is be the rights holder to "Hollywood Squares" from that era.
The issue was not with Gene, but that Kline & Friends gave him very little of a pre-show warmup (he wanders around aimlessly several times during the bonus round) and would berate him for trying to make jokes during what they considered to be a serious and suspenseful endgame. At least one episode near the end of his 13-week tenure has Gene noticeably going through the motions.
While I'd guess his performance is something to be desired, the question to me is whether his "ban" or whatever you call it only applied to "within his lifetime" or permanent. I would have thought that, now that it's 15-plus years since his death, the shows would be free to air and nobody would blink. But I've been wrong before.
At the very least, I believe that Fremantle would have an easier time with it given that GSN would have had to go through Fremantle and NBC.
True. But how much red tape do you have to go through to get past NBC, given that Buzzr is owned by Fox?
Brian
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While I'd guess his performance is something to be desired,
Mind you, I thought Rayburn was good on the early episodes of Break the Bank, but after the production company kept criticizing Gene for making jokes...well, yes, then things got worse.
the question to me is whether his "ban" or whatever you call it only applied to "within his lifetime" or permanent. I would have thought that, now that it's 15-plus years since his death, the shows would be free to air and nobody would blink. But I've been wrong before.
While I personally am not certain, the wording used by Adam Nedeff here (http://www.game-show-utopia.net/gene/breakthebank1985.htm) would suggest it is ongoing:
As a parting shot, Gene negotiated a deal stating that the episodes of this series which he hosted could never be rerun. That’s right...he decided he'd rather lose residual fees than let his work here be shown again. If you've never seen this show, that should probably tell you everything you need to know about it.
True. But how much red tape do you have to go through to get past NBC, given that Buzzr is owned by Fox?
...I thought it was only the FOX O&O stations that had signed up at first, not that Fox was directly involved in the Buzzr management. Hm.
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Look, I agree that we'll have to wait and see about the status of "Price" on this new channel and what episodes, if any, can be seen. But my verdict is -- as I've stated before -- is that Bob is retired, he has ceased active involvement in the show, and he no longer has the right (IMO, anyway) to dictate what can or cannot be viewed.
I understand he wants to distance himself as much as possible from cooing to female contestants that "You'll look GREAT in that wonderful fur coat" or from Holly-Dian-Janice-Kathleen as possible ... but the historic record shows this all happened. He may be successful in getting them banned from television, but there is a Higher Power he can never strike it from, no matter what the clause may be in his contracts, will or whatever.
And, for that matter, why hasn't he gotten the guts to ban certain episodes he doesn't like from YouTube or other video sharing services? (Sony has been very successful, after all, in virtually wiping "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" from YouTube, so who's to say Barker doesn't have enough pull to try to remove his "Price" work with Holly Hallstrom from YouTube and all of the web.) Why hasn't he gone around to TPiR fans' homes, who might have "fur" and "Holly" episodes on video and try to confiscate them and take them to the landfill? Why hasn't he gone to Freemantle to demand the "I don't want these episodes ever seen again" episodes wiped and refuse to leave until they are, in fact, erased?
And as I've tried to pose before, if Bob Barker wields so much "influence" over how his image, etc. is used, then why isn't he trying to actively have any "banned" shows removed from all existence, including removal from video sharing services like YouTube?
Bob Barker owns his image. It's his. He can do with it whatever he pleases. It's the same as Chuck Henry. Chuck hasn't cleared a single episode of NYSI '89 and it hasn't been reran ever, if I recall correctly. Certain weeks of Match Game, Password Plus, and Pyramid also haven't been rerun for the same reason. He controls his image and that's that.
Now, the reason Bob isn't taking videos from YouTube down is because he didn't make them. Bob Barker hosted TPIR, but did not make the show. That title goes to the folks at Goodson-Todman, now Fremantle. They are the content creators and thus have the right to demand online videos be taken down. Bob can appeal to them if he doesn't like the way his image is used, but it is Fremantle's final decision as to what to do. My guess is that there are so many different videos, labeled different things, on many different accounts that they aren't trying to take them all down and instead would rather monetize some of them to turn a little free profit. Of course, that doesn't mean they'll let things fly willy nilly. They probably had Carlos' account stripped because of the sheer volume in one place, but that's probably an outlier. Sony probably went on the offensive with their efforts because they don't really have a social media presence on YouTube like Fremantle, and specifically Price, does. Some of Wayoshi's videos have scored more hits than those uploaded by the show. Also, they don't upload their episodes online like Price does and having people upload whole episodes online, means they aren't making that kind of money.
Secondly, Bob Barker isn't going around to people's homes taking their video tapes and converters. That makes no sense. He's 91 years old. He probably doesn't even care about what's going on in YouTube.
Also, just because the fur era and shows with Holly happened doesn't mean he won't try to ignore them. For years, Warner Bros. and other studios kept racist cartoons off of television and home video release because of their content. Many proponents to having them released (which they since have been) said pretty much what you said. That there is historical record that this happened and it shouldn't be ignored. Unfortunately, they felt differently for a time. Hell, I don't think Disney's Song of the South has seen release on home video yet in the United States for this exact reason.
Side note about Dennis James: Bob probably threatened to not clear his shows if James' were run. I don't know about that for certain, but it would probably explain their absence on GSN.
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Now, the reason Bob isn't taking videos from YouTube down is because he didn't make them. Bob Barker hosted TPIR, but did not make the show. That title goes to the folks at Goodson-Todman, now Fremantle. They are the content creators and thus have the right to demand online videos be taken down.
He probably doesn't even care about what's going on in YouTube.
Ah, but Bob Barker "owns his own image. ... He controls his image and that's that." That means, by this logic, he decides whether you or I or anyone else has the right to see him associate with models he is now on bad terms with, or giving away a fur, even if the episode in question is uploaded on YouTube.
Just my thinking, but I am positive he is very well aware of YouTube (he's not stupid) and that videos of him, regardless of whether he "approves" of the content, are available for viewing.
And as far as the "model" ban, again, I am confused as to whether this ban even exists, or is this -- unlike the "fur episode" ban -- just "rumored." What official statements have come from anywhere that episodes with Holly Hallstrom (or any other model, for that matter) is not to be aired again? Please enlighten me.
I know that Chuck Henry has asked that his run of NYSI not be rerun (because he reportedly was very dissatisfied with his work), but surely he's softened up. Not than I'm clamoring to see his run, as I'd be satisfied with seeing just the Jack Narz version, but I understand there's probably some fans of Henry's work and that it wouldn't kill him if his shows were re-aired.
Side note about Dennis James: Bob probably threatened to not clear his shows if James' were run. I don't know about that for certain, but it would probably explain their absence on GSN.
Ah, but Bob Barker does not own Dennis James' image. To my knowledge, he never appeared on the same episode as Dennis James; the James version only gave away furs, and the thought or even perception that someone else hosted "his" show and gave away furs on "his" show is stupid, IMO.
Now that I'm thinking of it, I'd probably rather see Dennis James-era TPiR than Barker (except for those lost 1978-1979 episodes). Not to diss j-Shea and his audio-only tapes, but I'd kill to actually see some of these episodes other than just the existing ones on YouTube.
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thepriceis_J said everything I was going to, but I'd like to expound.
Ah, but Bob Barker "owns his own image. ... He controls his image and that's that." That means, by this logic, he decides whether you or I or anyone else has the right to see him associate with models he is now on bad terms with, or giving away a fur, even if the episode in question is uploaded on YouTube.
Just my thinking, but I am positive he is very well aware of YouTube (he's not stupid) and that videos of him, regardless of whether he "approves" of the content, are available for viewing.
Barker's internet savvy is unknown. He may know of YT but not "how it works." Youtube revenue, that does not go to the models/cast/crew, may be too inconsequential to Barker. It's also possible he went to his legal team and asked about removing these videos. They tell him that no one, aside from YT, is getting anything and the cost to have them all tracked down & removed would be cost prohibitive. (Someone has to track down/send hundreds of C&D emails to YT.)
It is also possible that there is an Old Media/New Media disconnect.
This is, obviously, conjecture on my part.
And as far as the "model" ban, again, I am confused as to whether this ban even exists, or is this -- unlike the "fur episode" ban -- just "rumored." What official statements have come from anywhere that episodes with Holly Hallstrom (or any other model, for that matter) is not to be aired again? Please enlighten me.
I'm 90% sure I read something somewhere that after Holly won that multi-million dollar settlement (that 'Ol Bob himself had to pay) he didn't want her (and only Holly) getting residual checks. There's no model ban...only a Holly ban.
I know that Chuck Henry has asked that his run of NYSI not be rerun (because he reportedly was very dissatisfied with his work), but surely he's softened up.
Why? What possibly makes you think "he's softened up." NYSI has been off the air for 25+ YEARS and it'll likely remain that way. He doesn't have to "soften up" or relent or anything. If the man is ashamed/embarrassed of the work, then it's doubtful that's going to change anytime soon.
Chuck Henry isn't the only person to block themselves, as thepriceis_J said. Plenty of weeks of Pyramid/MG/etc are unaired because celebrities won't clear their episodes (I.e. they won't let their image be used)
Ah, but Bob Barker does not own Dennis James' image. To my knowledge, he never appeared on the same episode as Dennis James; the James version only gave away furs, and the thought or even perception that someone else hosted "his" show and gave away furs on "his" show is stupid, IMO.
As thepriceis_J explained 'Ol Bob likely said "If you use Dennis James episodes (most of which it is KNOWN contain furs) then I will not give you permission to use any episodes containing my image."
If you're in charge of programming, you are NOT going to take a tiny handful of shows versus a MASSIVE amount of shows you could show daily, for years, without having a repeat. That would be stupid, you'd be fired & someone else would overrule your decision.
What you (and others) are not accepting, I think, is that your hero, the sweet old grandfather who came into your home everyday is a jerk. Bob Barker is a mean, vindictive, spiteful, petty, stubborn, out-of-touch, selfish old fool.
If you think, for one second, that 'ol Bob gives one crap about disappointing any fan because they can't see an episode of TPiR from 1976 because it has Holly or a fur or something else he's decided is objectionable on some whim, you are sadly mistaken & deluded.
"Bob Barker's biggest fan is Bob Barker" -- Dorothy-Jo Barker
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I'm 90% sure I read something somewhere that after Holly won that multi-million dollar settlement (that 'Ol Bob himself had to pay) he didn't want her (and only Holly) getting residual checks. There's no model ban...only a Holly ban.
As thepriceis_J explained 'Ol Bob likely said "If you use Dennis James episodes (most of which it is KNOWN contain furs) then I will not give you permission to use any episodes containing my image."
But again, Bob Barker has no more control over the show. He's retired. Kaput. This is a new network (unlike GSN when it was new, when Bob was still active with the show), he has ceased involvement and it should be up to Buzzr whether Dennis James-hosted shows are aired, and if Bob doesn't like it that Dennis James-hosted shows are airing, too bad.
What you (and others) are not accepting, I think, is that your hero, the sweet old grandfather who came into your home everyday is a jerk. Bob Barker is a mean, vindictive, spiteful, petty, stubborn, out-of-touch, selfish old fool.
If you think, for one second, that 'ol Bob gives one crap about disappointing any fan because they can't see an episode of TPiR from 1976 because it has Holly or a fur or something else he's decided is objectionable on some whim, you are sadly mistaken & deluded.
First, let's make no mistake. I think you and I both agree that Bob Barker is what you describe -- a mean, stubborn, bitter old man. Second, yeah, he probably doesn't care about what his fans think ... just satisfying his ego and remaining bitter and stubborn in his belief that the classic models were wrong.
And finally, even though I haven't quoted it ... yes, Chuck Henry may or may not have softened his stance on whether his shows will air again. But my guess is that if some network wanted to air the 1989 NYSI run, there would have been an effort made some time ago to get Chuck Henry to change his mind and lift the "ban." My guess is that there is no general interest in airing the Henry NYSI run and that has everything to do with why his episodes haven't aired on GSN or anywhere else.
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Ah, but Bob Barker "owns his own image. ... He controls his image and that's that." That means, by this logic, he decides whether you or I or anyone else has the right to see him associate with models he is now on bad terms with, or giving away a fur, even if the episode in question is uploaded on YouTube.
Barker does own his image, but not the content in which his image appears. Like I said, Bob didn't create TPIR. On YouTube, it's the content creators who have the final say. Bob can make a request to Fremantle regarding YT videos, but it's their decision as to what stays and what goes. Not Barker's.
Just my thinking, but I am positive he is very well aware of YouTube (he's not stupid) and that videos of him, regardless of whether he "approves" of the content, are available for viewing.
I didn't say he didn't know of it. I said he probably didn't care about it. He probably knows that he doesn't have final say on what gets taken down, so he doesn't worry about it.
Regarding the model ban, I know nothing more than anyone else. I don't know if someone from BCI(?) came here to the board explaining all the goings on of putting the DVD set together, or if Marc or John spread some insight into the matter. I think people were looking for a reason why the episode selection on the set was so narrow.
Ah, but Bob Barker does not own Dennis James' image. To my knowledge, he never appeared on the same episode as Dennis James; the James version only gave away furs, and the thought or even perception that someone else hosted "his" show and gave away furs on "his" show is stupid, IMO.
Like I said, I was guessing that perhaps Barker used his influence on James' episodes since they both hosted the series. I may be wrong, especially since James was still alive when GSN launched and when they added TPIR to the lineup.
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The other issue with the 1972-80 nighttime series, per Scott when he shared the taping information and game lineups, is that of the 301 episodes recorded about five at most did not contain a fur coat.
What possibly makes you think "he's softened up." NYSI has been off the air for 25+ YEARS and it'll likely remain that way. [Chuck Henry] doesn't have to "soften up" or relent or anything. If the man is ashamed/embarrassed of the work, then it's doubtful that's going to change anytime soon.
Chuck Henry may or may not have softened his stance on whether his shows will air again. But my guess is that if some network wanted to air the 1989 NYSI run, there would have been an effort made some time ago to get Chuck Henry to change his mind and lift the "ban."
I believe Mr. Henry did not wish for his time as a game show host to damage his credibility and reputation as a news anchor. Keep in mind that this is the same man who later had to be rescued while reporting on a forest fire.
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Per Adam Nedeff on Facebook (although I cannot recall specifically where), Gene only had an embargo on his version of Break the Bank. As much as Rayburn had ample reason to bar Match Game-Hollywood Squares from repeats, he never did.
Regarding the model ban, I know nothing more than anyone else. I don't know if someone from BCI(?) came here to the board explaining all the goings on of putting the DVD set together, or if Marc or John spread some insight into the matter. I think people were looking for a reason why the episode selection on the set was so narrow.
Well, that's why I'm really leery about believing whether there's an actual "model" ban. The fact that so few episodes from 1975-2007 appeared on the DVD set may just be coincidental. If you'd ask me, I'd have thunk they BCI was just looking to fit as many of the 30-minute eps as possible and devote time to that, maybe air two of the very earliest hour-long episodes (due to their noteworthiness) and then devote the rest to the Cullen era and the final few episodes of Barker's run. Taking non-fur episodes out of the equation, I'm going to say that the fact that Holly (and Kathleen, for that matter) do not appear in any of the episodes is coincidental, and has nothing to do with any "bans."
Like I said, I was guessing that perhaps Barker used his influence on James' episodes since they both hosted the series. I may be wrong, especially since James was still alive when GSN launched and when they added TPIR to the lineup.
But what influence does Bob Barker have now over the Dennis James-hosted episodes, and how much weight will Freemantle/Buzzr give Barker's requests when deciding which episodes get aired (out of either his shows or the entire syndicated run)?
I'll just say ... that can't be answered now, and we'll just have to wait for Buzzr to debut to see what we actually get.
Brian
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Has it ever been clearly established that Bob Barker's approval must be obtained before TPIR episodes in which he appears may be replayed or released to home video? If he gained such authority over Fremantle's programming assets, the company ceded a lot of control to one (now former) employee.
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I don't think that this would be considered but I do wonder if there could be a circumstance where a fur coat episode could be aired if it were joined in progress after the appearance of the fur coat was over. I have watched the 9-4-1972 show via YouTube. In that episode, a fur coat is the first contestants row prize I do wonder if an arrangement could be made to air such an episode by joining it in progress after the appearance of the fur coat. In the case of the 9-4-1972 you would join the show in progress at the start of Any Number.
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Has it ever been clearly established that Bob Barker's approval must be obtained before TPIR episodes in which he appears may be replayed or released to home video? If he gained such authority over Fremantle's programming assets, the company ceded a lot of control to one (now former) employee.
And that's just it. I can sit here and write right now that Barker definitely said, "Never rerun an episode of TPiR featuring a fur coat" and cite a source, but absent me having a hard copy, or even a digital link, to a news article saying such, I'm not going to say that. And it does seem odd that there seemed to be a lot of influence by one employee, who was merely on the payroll (as a host), even when he was active, about what he would approve and disapprove. He was just a host and Freemantle -- or what it was known as back before they took over -- could have nodded, said "uh-huh," and then done something different, and Bob would have had no authority to overturn their decisions about what is kosher.
Keeping in mind we're just talking about the Dennis James-hosted episodes, including those where Holly Hallstrom is a model (late in the 1976-1977 season).
I don't think that this would be considered but I do wonder if there could be a circumstance where a fur coat episode could be aired if it were joined in progress after the appearance of the fur coat was over. I have watched the 9-4-1972 show via YouTube. In that episode, a fur coat is the first contestants row prize I do wonder if an arrangement could be made to air such an episode by joining it in progress after the appearance of the fur coat. In the case of the 9-4-1972 you would join the show in progress at the start of Any Number.
I don't think that would be ideal, because that would detract from part of the reason we tune in (to see the lovely prizes), and the presentation would be terribly disjointed. The best idea, IMO, is to either air it in its entirety or not air the episode at all.
Brian
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Look, I agree that we'll have to wait and see about the status of "Price" on this new channel and what episodes, if any, can be seen. But my verdict is -- as I've stated before -- is that Bob is retired, he has ceased active involvement in the show, and he no longer has the right (IMO, anyway) to dictate what can or cannot be viewed.
I understand he wants to distance himself as much as possible from cooing to female contestants that "You'll look GREAT in that wonderful fur coat" or from Holly-Dian-Janice-Kathleen as possible ... but the historic record shows this all happened. He may be successful in getting them banned from television, but there is a Higher Power he can never strike it from, no matter what the clause may be in his contracts, will or whatever.
And, for that matter, why hasn't he gotten the guts to ban certain episodes he doesn't like from YouTube or other video sharing services? (Sony has been very successful, after all, in virtually wiping "Wheel" and "Jeopardy!" from YouTube, so who's to say Barker doesn't have enough pull to try to remove his "Price" work with Holly Hallstrom from YouTube and all of the web.) Why hasn't he gone around to TPiR fans' homes, who might have "fur" and "Holly" episodes on video and try to confiscate them and take them to the landfill? Why hasn't he gone to Freemantle to demand the "I don't want these episodes ever seen again" episodes wiped and refuse to leave until they are, in fact, erased?
If there's episodes I'd really like to see, its from the only season that seems to never have been reaired anywhere (and also has virtually nothing uploaded to YouTube): 1978-1979; plus Barker-era syndicated episodes from 1977-1980 (save for the final episode, which has been uploaded). Of course, that remains to be seen what actually is aired/"airable."
Sorry for the rant and if it seems unreasonable, but I had to speak.
Brian
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Has it ever been clearly established that Bob Barker's approval must be obtained before TPIR episodes in which he appears may be replayed or released to home video? If he gained such authority over Fremantle's programming assets, the company ceded a lot of control to one (now former) employee.
I thought it's been established that a performer in a game show (or any show for that matter) must clear their appearances in order for their show to be aired. I thought that the reason some weeks of shows, like P+, were skipped by GSN was because they couldn't get clearances. For example, I think Tom Skerritt had his week skipped. Also, Chuck Henry has been brought up in this thread four or five times. If he can request to have the entire series not reran, what couldn't Barker do the same for his 6,000+ episodes?
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I thought it's been established that a performer in a game show (or any show for that matter) must clear their appearances in order for their show to be aired. I thought that the reason some weeks of shows, like P+, were skipped by GSN was because they couldn't get clearances. For example, I think Tom Skerritt had his week skipped. Also, Chuck Henry has been brought up in this thread four or five times. If he can request to have the entire series not reran, what couldn't Barker do the same for his 6,000+ episodes?
I'm not going to speak for other performers on other programs, or even Chuck Henry and NYSI. For Chuck Henry and his run of NYSI, I've already stated that nobody's asked to re-air his show or approached him about whether he'd agree to lift the ban. That shows me, at least, that nobody really cares if that show ever is rerun again, at least at this time.
So why pick on Bob Barker? Because if the rumor is true (and I stress IF the rumor is true), his reasons for a large chunk of those episodes are completely and totally dishonorable, at least in my opinion. It's a personal grudge, and personal grudges against someone just doesn't cut it in my book or a lot of people's books.
And let's re-establish that Bob Barker has, or should have no say in whether the Dennis James-era is re-aired. THIS IS NOT BOB'S SHOW!!!! If Bob wants to pull out, then let him take his ball and go home. That'd be my attitude, anyway.
And again, I think you and several others are dodging the question that's been brought up a number of times: Has anyone said for sure, in clear and in no uncertain terms via such things as official documents or reliable news media (e.g., Variety, People, the Associated Press), that the Holly Hallstrom-era episodes are on blacklist, at least for the foreseeable future? That's the question ... not whether "fur" episodes will be seen again. (And no, Facebook posts or "I heard from so-and-so" is not reliable.)
Brian
P.S.: Just curious, but why did Tom Skerritt pull his episodes of "Password Plus"? Not that I care if I ever see them again (I don't, really) but ... .
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The fact that BCI mentioned it (as stated by jimlange below) when they were putting together the DVD set a few years ago does certainly say something. I don't think there is anyone here who could say that the episodes on that DVD set are truly "the best of" The Price is Right - I could personally think of a good 50 other episodes they could've used (Bob's first episode with grey hair, 1000th show, 5000th show, 25th and 30th season premieres, debut of Plinko - just to name a few).
This was somewhat established when BCI was putting together the TPIR DVD set and came on Golden-Road.net to get suggestions on what should be on the DVD set. They explained not only the fur veto, but the veto of other hosts and models.
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The fact that BCI mentioned it (as stated by jimlange below) when they were putting together the DVD set a few years ago does certainly say something. I don't think there is anyone here who could say that the episodes on that DVD set are truly "the best of" The Price is Right - I could personally think of a good 50 other episodes they could've used (Bob's first episode with grey hair, 1000th show, 5000th show, 25th and 30th season premieres, debut of Plinko - just to name a few).
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the "Holly" ban -- if there indeed was one -- only apply to the DVD set and not future television reruns? I can understand the "fur" ban, but not virtually banning anyone else because of your stubborn pride.
And yes, I think there are several other episodes that could have been included -- but JFTR, weren't the 25th and 30th season premieres, and the ceremonial 5000th show aired AFTER Holly Hallstrom's departure? (By my math, those shows aired in 1996, 2001 and 1998, respectively, with the 30th after Janice and Kathleen were forced out.) And the 1000th episode took place in 1976, before Holly was hired.
That said, I really enjoyed the DVD as it stood and had no complaints about it.
Brian
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I thought it's been established that a performer in a game show (or any show for that matter) must clear their appearances in order for their show to be aired.
I think this depends on the specific terms of the employee's contract versus an automatic right afforded to all AFTRA members. Bob Barker enjoyed greater bargaining power each contract cycle as the show's success grew over the years. So, it might be that Fremantle (or its predecessors) and Bob agreed to a deal that afforded him the privilege to sign off on replay of his performances. Another possibility is that Bob's wishes were voluntarily accommodated in deference to his standing on the program and a desire to keep him happy. Now that Bob is no longer working on the show, it seems remarkable if he can nix the company's ability to profit from thousands of episodes Fremantle owns and which the company paid handsomely to have transferred from two-inch and one-inch videotape masters. These assets have the potential to generate income rather than be carried on the books only as an expense.
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I think this depends on the specific terms of the employee's contract versus an automatic right afforded to all AFTRA members. Bob Barker enjoyed greater bargaining power each contract cycle as the show's success grew over the years. So, it might be that Fremantle (or its predecessors) and Bob agreed to a deal that afforded him the privilege to sign off on replay of his performances. Another possibility is that Bob's wishes were voluntarily accommodated in deference to his standing on the program and a desire to keep him happy.
I would not be surprised if the latter -- accommodation to keep Bob Barker happy, to keep him on the show and to prevent cancelation of daytime's only (at the time) TV game show, due to there not being a new host in the wings. It's that thing again, about keeping the image of Bob Barker as a good person.
Now that Bob is no longer working on the show, it seems remarkable if he can nix the company's ability to profit from thousands of episodes Fremantle owns and which the company paid handsomely to have transferred from two-inch and one-inch videotape masters. These assets have the potential to generate income rather than be carried on the books only as an expense.
Which is at the core of this whole issue ... a chance for us and future generations, so long as there is interest, to enjoy his work and the works of the people he worked alongside, and for them to profit as well. I can't imagine the profit is that much, however, for the models whom he now despises and consumes his very core, his very being.
And JFTR, I completely forgot about Tom Kennedy-hosted TPiRs. Surely Bob Barker will allow those episodes and he had a good relationship with the younger Mr. Narz, right?
Brian
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GSN managed to show at least three episodes with fur coats in them, and as far as I know never came under fire.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't the "Holly" ban -- if there indeed was one -- only apply to the DVD set and not future television reruns? I can understand the "fur" ban, but not virtually banning anyone else because of your stubborn pride.
As a game show host, Barker is amazing (usually). As a human being...well, yes, I believe that has been well-established.
Now that Bob is no longer working on the show, it seems remarkable if he can nix the company's ability to profit from thousands of episodes Fremantle owns and which the company paid handsomely to have transferred from two-inch and one-inch videotape masters. These assets have the potential to generate income rather than be carried on the books only as an expense.
Hm.
If the rumors that Barker did not retire voluntarily are true, then it may be that he forced Fremantle to give him permanent control over what can and cannot be reran of Price, along with essentially a "salary" for each year the show remains on the air after his departure, otherwise he shall go out into the media and say what really happened.
We know that he does get a sum of money for each year the show is on (he said so himself in his "apology" following that TMZ interview some time ago), but the rest is pure speculation on my part.
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If the rumors that Barker did not retire voluntarily are true, then it may be that he forced Fremantle to give him permanent control over what can and cannot be reran of Price, along with essentially a "salary" for each year the show remains on the air after his departure, otherwise he shall go out into the media and say what really happened.
We know that he does get a sum of money for each year the show is on (he said so himself in his "apology" following that TMZ interview some time ago), but the rest is pure speculation on my part.
If the rumors are true, Barker wouldn't have said anything anyways. According to the rumor, CBS forced him to retire because another lawsuit had been brought against him and CBS. So telling the truth, which isn't one of Barker's strong suits, would hurt him more than help him. But that is a VERY interesting theory though. IMO, I think there might be some truth in that.
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If the rumors are true, Barker wouldn't have said anything anyways. According to the rumor, CBS forced him to retire because another lawsuit had been brought against him and CBS. So telling the truth, which isn't one of Barker's strong suits, would hurt him more than help him.
"They forced me out! I made mistakes on the air around that time, certainly, but I was nowhere near ready to retire!" Something like that, which would hurt CBS/Fremantle more, is what I was thinking of. (Alternatively, he would have been bluffing just to get his way.)
Somewhat relevant: when during the host search did Barker say that he would continue on into Season 36 if need be? It seems that CBS hired Drew rather quickly after that.
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Somewhat relevant: when during the host search did Barker say that he would continue on into Season 36 if need be? It seems that CBS hired Drew rather quickly after that.
It wasn't that quickly -- I can't remember exactly when Drew was hired, but there were definitely several weeks after the end of Season 35 when Price literally did not have a host.
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I remember being away at Summer camp in 2007 when I learned that Drew was the new host, which couldn't have been any later than the last week of July.
I'd say mid-to-late July is a safe bet as to when Drew was hired.
EDIT: Ok, checking the old GSCentral blog, Drew appeared on Letterman the night of Monday, July 23. There you go.
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I would not be surprised if the latter -- accommodation to keep Bob Barker happy, to keep him on the show and to prevent cancelation of daytime's only (at the time) TV game show, due to there not being a new host in the wings. It's that thing again, about keeping the image of Bob Barker as a good person.
That's the thing... it was mostly assumed while Bob was still on the job that he was given deference to keep him on the job. After he left, it was plausible that they continued to show deference because they didn't want him raising a stink, whether he had any power or not.
But it's been years now. There's been the Calgary Stampede controversy and all manner of TMZ-generated mini-controversies to the point that it's no longer really a huge surprise when Bob throws some shade at Price. So "trying to please Bob" no longer makes a whole lot of sense unless there's at least one powerful person who still likes Bob, Bob's holding something else over them, or the people who are responsible for releasing the shows simply don't know they are not beholden to him anymore. (That last one seems implausible, too, but I've seen stranger things.)
More than anything, I'm just surprised that we have so many insiders and semi-insiders here, and no one seems to have anything but guesses. Talent contracts can be tightly guarded (especially when you're like Bob and have a small inner circle), but still, this genuinely amazes me.
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Fremantle is only airing its library. I'd imagine that it'd be too taxing to lease anyone else's.
Getting back to the original point about this article, about what shows may or may not air, and based on Freemantle's holdings (Goodson-Todman/Mark Goodson, Reg Grundy and the Hatos-Hall program "Let's Make a Deal"), here's my guesses as to what Freemantle has to choose from. Keeping in mind this is only speculation on my part:
Goodson-Todman/Mark Goodson
* "What's My Line?"
* "To Tell the Truth."
* "I've Got a Secret."
* "Password"/"Password Plus"/"Super Password".
* "The Price is Right."
* "Card Sharks."
* "Match Game."
* "Family Feud."
* "Beat the Clock." (I wonder if this would include the 2002 run?)
* "Blockbusters." (Cullen version more than likely, although Rafferty isn't out of the question.)
* "Tattletales." (Any possibility of the 1977 syndicated run? Probably we'd see 1974-1976 and 1982-1984 CBS runs.)
* "The Better Sex."
* "Call My Bluff."
* "Choose Up Sides."
* "Double Dare."
* "Get the Message."
* "He Said, She Said."
* "It's News to Me."
* "Judge for Yourself."
* "Make the Connection."
* "Mindreaders."
* "Missing Links."
* "The Name's the Same."
* "Now You See It." (Narz run only.)
* "Number Please." (The one existing episode.)
* "Play Your Hunch."
* "Say When!!. (Whatever few episodes remain and in broadcast quality.)
* "Showoffs."
* "Split Personality."
* "Two for the Money."
* "What's Going On?"
* "Winner Take All."
A distant possibility, depending on cross-ownership and how rerun rights are worked out:
* "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" -- The 1973-1978 syndicated and 1987-1997 runs.
* "Match Game-Hollywood Squares Hour." Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't Sony hold the rights to only the 1998 Bergeron run, and that someone else has rights to the various other runs?
Hatos-Hall
* "Let's Make a Deal": Probably 1971-1977 and 1984-1986 syndicated and the current Wayne Brady run, with possibly a few scattered ABC daytime eps. that exist, and 1980-1981 syndicated.
Note: I did not include other Hatos-Hall programs because I don't know if they are part of Freemantle's holdings.
Carruthers Co.
* "Press Your Luck."
Reg Grundy
* "Sale of the Century": Probably the syndicated 1985-1986 and the final eight months of the NBC run (as what was seen on GSN and USA).
* "Scrabble": More than likely 1the 1984-1990 NBC run.
* "Time Machine": Not that anyone's clamoring for it, but a certain possibility since the entire run exists.
* "Bruce Forsythe's Hot Streak": The short lived ABC daytime run from 1986.
* "Scattegories." Yes, the short lived 1993 adaption of the board game.
Freemantle-only
* "Temptation: The New Sale of the Century." Run for your lives, folks!
Anyway, those are guesses, and only guesses. What actually gets aired, well, we'll have a program schedule soon enough and some of those burning questions will be answered.
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A distant possibility, depending on cross-ownership and how rerun rights are worked out:
* "Concentration" and "Classic Concentration" -- The 1973-1978 syndicated and 1987-1991 runs.
Fixed it for you.
BTW, I thought most of Mindreaders was wiped.
As for Sale of the Century, if Buzzr TV gets this, I'm hoping they get what GSN and USA Network didn't get. However, Scrabble might be a little harder to license, seeing as Hasbro owns part of it.
But for now, here's what I'm hoping for when Buzzr TV launches (since TPIR might not be part of it yet):
Family Feud (everything but Steve Harvey, since GSN is already rerunning it)
Match Game (any 60s episodes that still exist, the entirety of the 70s and early 80s runs, and both 90s versions)
Card Sharks (everything but the 2001-02 version)
Tattletales (everything)
Password/Password Plus/Super Password
Beat the Clock (everything)
What's My Line?
To Tell the Truth
Trivia Trap
Body Language
Child's Play
Blockbusters
Now You See It (anything)
Just to name a few.
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Fixed it for you.
BTW, I thought most of Mindreaders was wiped.
Well, and I forgot Child's Play. Man! Probably what episodes of "Mindreaders" exist, they'd air as probably a one-off showing?
As for Sale of the Century, if Buzzr TV gets this, I'm hoping they get what GSN and USA Network didn't get. However, Scrabble might be a little harder to license, seeing as Hasbro owns part of it.
I know it might be tricky-dicky to license "Scrabble," but I'd think that Hasbro might like the relatively low-cost to free advertising.
But for now, here's what I'm hoping for when Buzzr TV launches (since TPIR might not be part of it yet):
Sigh -- not this Bob Barker "what will he allow thing" again! (Not blaming you. Just saying what I've said already.)
Match Game (any 60s episodes that still exist, the entirety of the 70s and early 80s runs, and both 90s versions)
Card Sharks (everything but the 2001-02 version)
Much as I hate to say it, if the 1998 "Match Game" and the 2001 "Card Sharks" are available, they'd have to be considered.
Brian
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Getting back to the original point about this article, about what shows may or may not air, and based on Freemantle's holdings (Goodson-Todman/Mark Goodson, Reg Grundy and the Hatos-Hall program "Let's Make a Deal"), here's my guesses as to what Freemantle has to choose from. Keeping in mind this is only speculation on my part:
Hatos-Hall
* "Let's Make a Deal": Probably 1971-1977 and 1984-1986 syndicated and the current Wayne Brady run, with possibly a few scattered ABC daytime eps. that exist, and 1980-1981 syndicated.
Note: I did not include other Hatos-Hall programs because I don't know if they are part of Freemantle's holdings.
Fremantle only has LMAD. Fremantle does not another properties done by Hatos-Hall.
Sigh -- not this Bob Barker "what will he allow thing" again! (Not blaming you. Just saying what I've said already.)
He only mentioned it, because it's been established by me before, that TPIR will not be on Buzzr when it launches and it may not be for awhile. He was helping you take TPIR out of the equation for now. He wasn't starting the what Barker may or may not allow discussion again.
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Fremantle is only airing its library. I'd imagine that it'd be too taxing to lease anyone else's.
There's literally no point to acquiring any other company's shows.
When the original conversion was done (at CBSTVC), wasn't it something like 50,000 episodes? If you conservatively gave Fremantle 25,000 hours of game shows you can air episodes 24 hours a day for nearly 3 YEARS without any repeats.
I find it mind blowing.
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I don't know if there are multiple parties that lay claim over Let's Make a Deal, but I have heard from more than once source (including someone with high connections) that most, if not all, of the original NBC episodes of LMAD do exist. Further claims are that other NBC shows, like Concentration and Wheel of Fortune, have more episodes in existence than what is commonly known.
It's been a while since I heard these statements, but if I remember correctly, these tapes supposedly are stored at the (former) NBC studios in Burbank.
Whether this is true or not, it's certainly interesting to know that there could be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
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Fremantle only has LMAD. Fremantle does not another properties done by Hatos-Hall.
OK. Just trying to make sure we establish what is and is not included in the deal between Freemantle and Hatos-Hall. Thanks.
He only mentioned it, because it's been established by me before, that TPIR will not be on Buzzr when it launches and it may not be for awhile. He was helping you take TPIR out of the equation for now. He wasn't starting the what Barker may or may not allow discussion again.
Well, OK, no problem then.
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A person on Facebook (possibly one of our own members) asked Roger Dobkowitz for his insight on the Price/Buzzr situation. Here's what he had to say:
"I believe that as long as Bob is with us, they will not be showing episodes with fur coats (which were 2 or 3 per week when we had them). In regards to Holly, Bob never had a restriction about episodes with her in them...you might think we did but that was because we didn't like showing her when we had a primetime special and old clips were shown. We felt she caused a lot of harm to our show and we felt that is was inappropriate to include her in a special that celebrated the show. However, this whole question might be mute, because I do not think old Price Is Right episodes were included in the deal. It is my guess that Fremantle is still holding back on them in order to get more money for them. They were pulled years ago from the gameshow network because that network didn't want to pay higher fees. There is also a crazy theory floating around that Fremantle doesn't want to show the old episodes of Bob because it would make Drew Carey look bad and hurt the daytime show."
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...we didn't like showing her when we had a primetime special and old clips were shown. We felt she caused a lot of harm to our show and we felt that is was inappropriate to include her in a special that celebrated the show...
Barker's right hand man through and through, I see... :roll:
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Not saying Roger is a liar, but do keep in mind that he was and is good friends with Bob and wants to preserve his image...
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A person on Facebook (possibly one of our own members) asked Roger Dobkowitz for his insight on the Price/Buzzr situation. Here's what he had to say:
"I believe that as long as Bob is with us, they will not be showing episodes with fur coats (which were 2 or 3 per week when we had them). In regards to Holly, Bob never had a restriction about episodes with her in them...you might think we did but that was because we didn't like showing her when we had a primetime special and old clips were shown. We felt she caused a lot of harm to our show and we felt that is was inappropriate to include her in a special that celebrated the show. However, this whole question might be mute, because I do not think old Price Is Right episodes were included in the deal. It is my guess that Fremantle is still holding back on them in order to get more money for them. They were pulled years ago from the gameshow network because that network didn't want to pay higher fees. There is also a crazy theory floating around that Fremantle doesn't want to show the old episodes of Bob because it would make Drew Carey look bad and hurt the daytime show."
They could always air old TPIR episodes at any hour other than 11 AM (ideally, 3 PM could work best, as that's when the show aired back in the 70s). That way, the daytime show would not be overshadowed.
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A person on Facebook (possibly one of our own members) asked Roger Dobkowitz for his insight on the Price/Buzzr situation. Here's what he had to say:
"I believe that as long as Bob is with us, they will not be showing episodes with fur coats (which were 2 or 3 per week when we had them). In regards to Holly, Bob never had a restriction about episodes with her in them...you might think we did but that was because we didn't like showing her when we had a primetime special and old clips were shown. We felt she caused a lot of harm to our show and we felt that is was inappropriate to include her in a special that celebrated the show.
First, thanks to Dob for clearing the Holly situation up, and if and when these episodes see the light of day, I'll look forward to the classic episodes. Second, in what way did she "cause a lot of harm" to TPiR? Or was that Bob Barker's image as the kind, benevolent game show host?
However, this whole question might be mute, because I do not think old Price Is Right episodes were included in the deal. It is my guess that Fremantle is still holding back on them in order to get more money for them. They were pulled years ago from the gameshow network because that network didn't want to pay higher fees. There is also a crazy theory floating around that Fremantle doesn't want to show the old episodes of Bob because it would make Drew Carey look bad and hurt the daytime show."
I think the theory is crazy on a couple of fronts. I think as someone pointed out, that airing TPiR reruns at a time of the day other than 11 a.m. EST would be a fair compromise. As for making Drew look bad, that's up to the viewer to decide, not you or me.
Brian
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Second, in what way did she "cause a lot of harm" to TPiR? Or was that Bob Barker's image as the kind, benevolent game show host?
*clangers* Bob's image is exactly what suffered. Though to paraphrase an old Vince McMahon quote, "Holly Hallstrom didn't screw Bob Barker. Bob Barker screwed Bob Barker."
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They could always air old TPIR episodes at any hour other than 11 AM (ideally, 3 PM could work best, as that's when the show aired back in the 70s). That way, the daytime show would not be overshadowed.
I doubt they would do that, as that would give Let's Make a Deal direct competition in many matkets.
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I don't know if there are multiple parties that lay claim over Let's Make a Deal, but I have heard from more than once source (including someone with high connections) that most, if not all, of the original NBC episodes of LMAD do exist. Further claims are that other NBC shows, like Concentration and Wheel of Fortune, have more episodes in existence than what is commonly known.
It's been a while since I heard these statements, but if I remember correctly, these tapes supposedly are stored at the (former) NBC studios in Burbank.
Whether this is true or not, it's certainly interesting to know that there could be a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
No, most of the NBC episodes of LMAD do not exist. The only ones that do exist are some scattered daytime episodes, the entire NBC Primetime run from 1967, and of course the pilot. Except for the pilot, all of those episodes are held at the Library of Congress.
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No, most of the NBC episodes of LMAD do not exist. The only ones that do exist are some scattered daytime episodes, the entire NBC Primetime run from 1967, and of course the pilot. Except for the pilot, all of those episodes are held at the Library of Congress.
What About the ABC Daytime/Primetime Run.
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It wasn't that quickly -- I can't remember exactly when Drew was hired, but there were definitely several weeks after the end of Season 35 when Price literally did not have a host.
After doing some digging, Drew was confirmed on July 23, 2007 because that's when he announced it on Letterman. He cleared it with CBS while the show was being broadcast live, "during [Letterman's] Harry Potter bit" to be precise. This was also why the Season 36 premiere was so late, about a month later than normal.
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What About the ABC Daytime/Primetime Run.
Over 500 episodes of the ABC Daytime/Primetime run do exist and Fremantle should have those, but they may not be ran. Outside of 3 ABC Primetime episodes, they have never been reran. So they would need to be converted from it's original format. Fremantle may not want to pay for that.
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"I do not think old Price Is Right episodes were included in the deal. It is my guess that Fremantle is still holding back on them in order to get more money for them."
That's plausible, but it raises the question: When and from whom could Fremantle get such a confiscatory licensing fee in the future that makes it worth holding the episodes back for so many years and making nothing at all?
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Fremantle (and its predecessors) licensed content from its back catalog to Game Show Network. In that arrangement, it is possible the company established a higher licensing fee for The Price Is Right on the grounds it is a premium product; and maybe GSN elected not to pay for it. But Freemantle owns Buzzr TV and is free to choose any material from its vast library to program on the channel. The expense to transfer the two-inch and one-inch master tapes to a digital format has already been incurred. Costs will primarily be for the channel's distribution architecture and talent fees where applicable.
It seems to me Fremantle would benefit by programming TPIR sooner versus later on its new channel. As time goes on, fewer people have a point of reference for this classic programming. These 1970s and '80s episodes offer little value when they only sit on a shelf. Fremantle's new CEO seems to understand this concept and launched the channel to pull revenue from the company's dormant assets.
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I don't think that this would be considered but I do wonder if there could be a circumstance where a fur coat episode could be aired if it were joined in progress after the appearance of the fur coat was over. I have watched the 9-4-1972 show via YouTube. In that episode, a fur coat is the first contestants row prize I do wonder if an arrangement could be made to air such an episode by joining it in progress after the appearance of the fur coat. In the case of the 9-4-1972 you would join the show in progress at the start of Any Number.
I don't think that would be ideal, because that would detract from part of the reason we tune in (to see the lovely prizes), and the presentation would be terribly disjointed. The best idea, IMO, is to either air it in its entirety or not air the episode at all.
I agree with Briguy as far as deleting the fur prizes would make the episodes seem disjointed. And when a fur is the first item up for bids, starting a rebroadcast at the point when they play the first pricing game means you're also cutting out the beginning of the show and the come-on-downs.
Ideally, there should be no need to compromise. Bob doesn't own the show, and I'm wondering why the powers that be are still making this concession to him (unless there's a contractual obligation). But one compromise, and perhaps the only one that wouldn't damage the flow of the episode, would be to just blur the image of the fur coat, like on shows where they blur faces or logos. Johnny Olsen's spoken description of the prize would remain as is, but at least you couldn't see the fur.
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According to this article in Variety, Buzzr TV's expected launch date is May 31st.
http://variety.com/2015/digital/news/fremantlemedia-hits-on-buzzr-youtube-channel-with-classic-game-show-reboots-1201429965/
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Thanks for the launch date and article, jimlange. I do not concur with the thinking of Fremantle's CEO that for younger people, "These old-format game shows are really, really hard to watch.” The classic shows have a following of both younger and older people based on my observations.
The article links to another report about clips of Fremantle programming that appear on YouTube. The company is taking a progressive stance on this uploaded content:
"When we see a fan of our show who has gone through the hassle of uploading (content from) it, it’s not an indication of them stealing from us — we see it as fan loyalty,” [Fremantle's Olivier] Delfosse said.
http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/fremantlemedia-claims-user-uploaded-youtube-clips-with-broadbandtv-1201161590/
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The article links to another report about clips of Fremantle programming that appear on YouTube. The company is taking a progressive stance on this uploaded content:
"When we see a fan of our show who has gone through the hassle of uploading (content from) it, it’s not an indication of them stealing from us — we see it as fan loyalty,” [Fremantle's Olivier] Delfosse said.
http://variety.com/2014/digital/news/fremantlemedia-claims-user-uploaded-youtube-clips-with-broadbandtv-1201161590/
Well, yeah, when you're still making money off the content (by having YT identify it as such and have them stick ads before, during, and after it), of course you're going to be "progressive"...
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Thanks for the launch date and article, jimlange. I do not concur with the thinking of Fremantle's CEO that for younger people, "These old-format game shows are really, really hard to watch.”
I also disagree. Jimmy Fallon regularly has classic game show bits on his show. The formats are timeless -- it's the presentation that's hard to watch (for many young people).
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Well, yeah, when you're still making money off the content (by having YT identify it as such and have them stick ads before, during, and after it), of course you're going to be "progressive"...
With the right browser and add-ons, said advertisements can be blocked very easily. Even if that weren't the case, it is Fremantle's property, and they can do whatever they want with it, including profit from it. As long as they allow us to freely upload their content, I have no problem with them wanting to make money from it. It's a very fair trade off.
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I do not concur with the thinking of Fremantle's CEO that for younger people, "These old-format game shows are really, really hard to watch.” The classic shows have a following of both younger and older people based on my observations.
...Fremantle still cannot learn, can they? Sony has Sports Jeopardy!, whose only major difference from the regular format is that there are only 24 clues available per round, with the end of the show devoted to a sit-down interview with the players.
Sony, despite having some mismanagement, has at least understood this much.
The YouTube game shows at Buzzr are far different from those done by Jimmy Fallon, from what I have seen: the Fallon shows are tributes to the classics, handled professionally and with respect while still being quite fun. The Buzzr shows are no more than parodies, handled with the mindset that eight minutes is the magical length of time for anything...and I fear for the Showoffs legacy when they start doing Body Language.
The article links to another report about clips of Fremantle programming that appear on YouTube. The company is taking a progressive stance on this uploaded content:
"When we see a fan of our show who has gone through the hassle of uploading (content from) it, it’s not an indication of them stealing from us — we see it as fan loyalty,” [Fremantle's Olivier] Delfosse said.
In which case, what does this say of the aforementioned Sony, whose response has tended to consist of taking the videos down? Do they not consider uploaders of classic Wheel of Fortune and Jeopardy! to be loyal fans?
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This channel (Buzzr TV) is now being discussed on Stu's Show right now so that they can get their opinions on it.
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Any one know if Buzzr TV going to be on in Dallas Texas (DFW) . ???
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Known launch affailates, from RabbitEars and TVNews Check:
LA: TBD
Washington DC: WTTG
Tampa: WTVT
Atlanta: WAGA-TV
Chicago: WFLD
Detroit: WJBK
NYC: WNYW
Charlotte: WMYT-TV
Philadelphia and Pittsburgh: WTXF-TV
Austin: KTBC
Houston: KRIV
So no Dallas that we know of yet or confirmed (nor my area, for that matter).
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No Phoenix. I'm out of luck for seeing this channel at all :( Can't say I'm too surprised though. It's not as though we're a major media market.
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I'm a bit surprised that Boston is not listed. I thought it would be.
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Only one West Coast station so far? I hope they're in some serious talks with stations further north, like Washington, for example.
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Only one West Coast station so far? I hope they're in some serious talks with stations further north, like Washington, for example.
They were at NATPE shopping this channel around, so i'm pretty sure other areas are going to get this channel. Hopefully they'll be an announcement soon. I'd be pretty surprised if Tribune Station group doesn't pick this up, to be honest.
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I do Know this Bounce TV will move its affiliation in five markets New York City, Los Angeles, Dallas–Fort Worth, Orlando and Phoenix to stations owned by Univision so time in 2015 who are now in Fox Television Stations affiliation.
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I'm a bit surprised that Boston is not listed. I thought it would be.
This list consists entirely of Fox O&Os. Fox recently sold its Boston O&O to Cox. As far as the TBD on Los Angeles, Fox is probably just deciding whether to put it on their main station, KTTV, or the secondary part of their LA duopoly, KCOP.
I'm curious as to why this doesn't include their stations in San Francisco (KTVU) or Dallas (KDFW).
No Phoenix. I'm out of luck for seeing this channel at all :( Can't say I'm too surprised though. It's not as though we're a major media market.
Fox has an O&O in Phoenix, so it would surprise me if it ends up on KSAZ.
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On what day Bounce TV switch to Univision stations affiliates ? :oldlol:
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some parts of Ontario may get it but most Canadians won't because of this quirk http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WJBK (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WJBK)
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On what day Bounce TV switch to Univision stations affiliates ? :oldlol:
Why is that supposed to be funny?
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They just updated the stations. Here is what list is like so far.
Phoenix: KUTP
LA: KCOP-TV
San Francisco: KTVU
Washington DC: WTTG
Orlando: WOFL
Gainesville: WOGX
Tampa: WTVT
Atlanta: WAGA-TV
Chicago: WFLD
Detroit: WJBK
Minneapolis-St. Paul: KMSP-TV
New York City: WWOR-TV
Philadelphia and Pittsburgh: WTXF-TV
Charlotte: WMYT-TV
Austin: KTBC
Dallas-Fort Worth: KDFI
Houston: KRIV
http://rabbitears.info/search.php?request=network_search&network=Buzzr+TV
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Still all Fox-owned stations so far.
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Very pleased to see Phoenix on the updated list. The most recent list includes 17 stations and I know we heard early on that 17 was a likely number of stations to carry this channel at the launch.
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I hope New Orleans will get this as well.
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I hope New Orleans will get this as well.
Remember, There are still deals in the works with other station groups. So keep an eye out.
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How exactly do they expect us Pittsburghers to tune in to a Philly station?
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The poster who copied the information didn't copy it correctly.
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Just thought I would bump this up instead of starting a new thread. I heave heard from credible sources, that Buzzr will be available in Fresno and Salt Lake City (My area, YAHOO!) starting on July 1st. Neither of these have Fox O&O's. Keep your hopes up if you don't have it yet!!
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Just thought I would bump this up instead of starting a new thread. I heave heard from credible sources, that Buzzr will be available in Fresno and Salt Lake City (My area, YAHOO!) starting on July 1st. Neither of these have Fox O&O's. Keep your hopes up if you don't have it yet!!
Do we have a credible source that can provide a schedule?
Thanks!
Brian
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Do we have a credible source that can provide a schedule?
Thanks!
Brian
The final schedule, believe it or not, had not been finalized which is why it hasn't been released. There is supposed to be a lot more released after the holiday weekend, so we'll see.
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This is great news. It'll give us game show fans more to watch than countless hours of Harvey Feud.
You took the words right out of my keyboard! A freaking men!
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Just thought I would bump this up instead of starting a new thread. I heave heard from credible sources, that Buzzr will be available in Fresno and Salt Lake City (My area, YAHOO!) starting on July 1st. Neither of these have Fox O&O's. Keep your hopes up if you don't have it yet!!
Are those the only 2 new ones you heard about?
Imad
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Are those the only 2 new ones you heard about?
Imad
Yes
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Since I live in Southern Oregon, I'm curious if Buzzr TV will be launching in the Medford, Oregon area anytime soon.
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Any news if the price is right going to on buzzr ?
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Any news if the price is right going to on buzzr ?
It was discussed earlier in the thread that TPIR will not be on Buzzr when it premieres next week.
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A member at the Game Show Forum has received a copy of the weekday schedule of Buzzr TV from a Fremantle Rep. All times are eastern, but here is the schedule. Weekend schedule to come later with some E/I programming thrown in there.
6AM/6:30A Family Feud
7A/7:30A Tattletales
8A Child's Play
8:30A Body Language
9A Blockbusters
9:30 Card Sharks
10A/10:30A Match Game
11A/11:30A Family Feud
12P/12:30P Super Password
1P/1:30P Press Your Luck
2P Child's Play
2:30P Body Language
3P Blockbusters
3:30P Card Sharks
4P/4:30P Match Game
5P/5:30P Family Feud
6P/6:30P Super Password
7P/7:30P Press Your Luck
8P/8:30P Let's Make a Deal
9P/9:30P Match Game
10P/10:30P Tattletales
11P/11:30P Let's Make a Deal
12A/12:30A Match Game
1A/1:30A Tattletales
2A-4A "Buzz Til Dawn" (To Tell the Truth/What's My Line/I've Got a Secret)
4A-6A "Buzz Til Dawn" (To Tell the Truth/What's My Line/I've Got a Secret)
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Looks like a nice little schedule, with a good mix of shows. It also does have some room for growth, with big names such as Price and any Password other than Super not yet on the docket. It would be nice to know though which host we'll be getting for Blockbusters (I assume Cullen), Family Feud (I assume Dawson or Combs, but there are many options), or Card Sharks (I personally prefer Perry, but I think Eubanks more likely here).
I do note also that from 8-2 and 2-8 there are completely identical six-hour cycles (from Child's Play through to Press Your Luck). Do we know whether the afternoon shows will be repeats of the morning ones, or will they actually be different episodes of the same shows?
(of course, all of this helps me none, unless they bring the station somewhere closer to me than Chicago... :P)
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So a full hour of Family Feud on Buzzr will go up against TPIR on CBS? I can live with that.
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I see that 1 of the shows listed is Let's Make a Deal. Are these going to be Wayne Brady episodes or Monty Hall episodes or is that not known?
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I see that 1 of the shows listed is Let's Make a Deal. Are these going to be Wayne Brady episodes or Monty Hall episodes or is that not known?
Based on the promos, it's most like Hall hosted shows only for now.
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Not to mention that as listed it's a pair of half-hour slots, which would also suggest Hall's version.
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Based on the promos, it's most like Hall hosted shows only for now.
More specifically, per a promo for the channel, episodes from the 1970s syndicated and mid-1980s runs of the franchise.
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If they are airing Goodson shows, may I ask why the f they are not airing Classic Concentration?
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If they are airing Goodson shows, may I ask why the f they are not airing Classic Concentration?
I think its well known throughout the community that Concentration's rights are mixed up since NBC does still own a piece of them. That's probably why Classic Concentration never appeared on GSN (not to my knowledge, anyway) back when GSN used to have access to the entire library.
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NBC owns Concentration, full stop. They bought the show from Barry-Enright shortly into the original run (when it became clear that yes, several quizzes were indeed rigged) and licensed it to Mark Goodson.
This said, Fremantle would no doubt have a somewhat less difficult time acquiring repeats than GSN would.
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Is "Concentration" the only game show property owned outright by a television network? NBC is "Nothing But Crap" anymore, with 9 hours of the "Today" show, not to mention their so-called "news" and news programming and other dreck. Why doesn't NBC just sell the blessed Concentration franchise already? It's not like they're ever going to air game shows again on their network, at least not legitimate REAL game shows like Concentration. Do your business or get off the pot NBC. Sell it already!
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It's not like they're ever going to air game shows again on their network, at least not legitimate REAL game shows like Concentration. Do your business or get off the pot NBC. Sell it already!
They still air game shows. The only successful ones that aired on NBC in recent memory are Deal or No Deal and currently Hollywood Game Night, while airing some of the worst like Identity, Who's Still Standing, Take It All, and Million Second Quiz.
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They started show commercials on Fox 4 in Dallas for buzzr has anyone else seen ?
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They still air game shows. The only successful ones that aired on NBC in recent memory are Deal or No Deal and currently Hollywood Game Night, while airing some of the worst like Identity, Who's Still Standing, Take It All, and Million Second Quiz.
Actually it seems like ABC will be airing more game shows than NBC nowadays. They are focusing more on dramatic shows for the 2015-16 season. I honestly only watch NBC nowadays if its Sunday Night Football.
That said, in addition to TPIR/Password/P+, they eventually could add Now You See It, High Rollers, Las Vegas Gambit, Pyramid, Scrabble, Sale of the Century (now that GSN had dropped it). I like how this is positioned to be to game shows to what Boomerang is to cartoons.
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Actually it seems like ABC will be airing more game shows than NBC nowadays. They are focusing more on dramatic shows for the 2015-16 season. I honestly only watch NBC nowadays if its Sunday Night Football.
That said, in addition to TPIR/Password/P+, they eventually could add Now You See It, High Rollers, Las Vegas Gambit, Pyramid, Scrabble, Sale of the Century (now that GSN had dropped it). I like how this is positioned to be to game shows to what Boomerang is to cartoons.
They cannot add High Rollers & Las Vegas Gambit. Fremantle doesn't own those shows.
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That said, in addition to TPIR/Password/P+, they eventually could add Now You See It, High Rollers, Las Vegas Gambit, Pyramid, Scrabble, Sale of the Century (now that GSN had dropped it). I like how this is positioned to be to game shows to what Boomerang is to cartoons.
They cannot add High Rollers & Las Vegas Gambit. Fremantle doesn't own those shows.
......and "Pyramid" would be a no-go as well. [owned by Sony; I believe LVG and HR are owned by MGM??]
I'd have to wonder if "Scrabble" would be possible. I'd have to think Hasbro still has some stake in the series, but then again, they pulled out from what was the Hub channel [I believe it's Discovery Family now??].....it *could* be up for consideration.
As for SOTC, I honestly thought that it would be part of the launch schedule, especially given GSN's decision to drop it. NYSI could be a possibility----I'd have to think it's a little better known/more popular than "Child's Play", and probably as well-known/popular as "Blockbusters".....then again, I'm way biased; NYSI is a favorite of mine!
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I don't know how I skipped over that, lol. Thanks for the catch. yes, Pyramid is a no go as well as it is owned by Sony. Scrabble may be a possibility, since they already own the show they would only have to pay royalties on the Scrabble name to Hasbro.
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I wonder if they might eventually add Beat the Clock (all versions Collyer to Hall) to the lineup.
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Sony does own a stake in MG, so High Rollers, Las Vegas Gambit (a.k.a. Catch 21) other shows could go on to GSN
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I wonder if they might eventually add Beat the Clock (all versions Collyer to Hall) to the lineup.
The weekend schedule for Buzzr isn't out yet, so who knows. From what was told though, it is supposed to be mostly the same schedule as the weekdays, with a few E/I shows thrown in there. So we'll see what happens. Hopefully it gets released in the next day or so.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mgm
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...I thought most of the Heatter-Quigley productions were still owned by Heatter, hence why Catch 21 had the Merrill Heatter Productions logo.
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They started show commercials on Fox 4 in Dallas for buzzr has anyone else seen ?
I haven't seen those yet. In Dallas, I believe Buzzr will be Channel 27-3 -- ?? My indoor antenna is ready. Should I get up at 5 a.m. Monday to record their first day?
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I haven't seen those yet. In Dallas, I believe Buzzr will be Channel 27-3 -- ?? My indoor antenna is ready. Should I get up at 5 a.m. Monday to record their first day?
Yes it will be on 27.3
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I think the idea of Buzzr TV is great. Having a channel devoted to classic games shows-only is fantastic; however, without strong staples that people are familiar with today like The Price is Right, Family Feud and even Match Game to a degree, I don't think it will do well. Everyone here mentions shows like Concentration, Now You See It, Sale of the Century - a good portion of this forum is made up of game show fans (not necessarily just TPiR) - but the general population probably has no idea what those shows are and will likely not care that they're back on.
If they want to capitalize on the library they have, air RANDOM episodes of Price is Right from the last 15 years - one day could be Bob, the next Drew - that way people will have to tune in everyday and can't just opt to watch Bob's episodes instead of Drew's (or Bob's episodes for first-run CBS episodes) because they won't know who is hosting the episode on Buzzr that day.
Just my two cents...
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If they want to capitalize on the library they have, air RANDOM episodes of Price is Right from the last 15 years.
Has anyone determined if they're not showing The Price is Right (when they launch, anyway) because it would "compete" with the current version on CBS, or because Bob won't clear his appearances on the Holly/fur/Dian/etc. episodes?
Or both?
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I think the idea of Buzzr TV is great. Having a channel devoted to classic games shows-only is fantastic; however, without strong staples that people are familiar with today like The Price is Right, Family Feud and even Match Game to a degree, I don't think it will do well. Everyone here mentions shows like Concentration, Now You See It, Sale of the Century - a good portion of this forum is made up of game show fans (not necessarily just TPiR) - but the general population probably has no idea what those shows are and will likely not care that they're back on.
If they want to capitalize on the library they have, air RANDOM episodes of Price is Right from the last 15 years - one day could be Bob, the next Drew - that way people will have to tune in everyday and can't just opt to watch Bob's episodes instead of Drew's (or Bob's episodes for first-run CBS episodes) because they won't know who is hosting the episode on Buzzr that day.
Just my two cents...
Considering how well GSN did before they had TPIR and after they had TPIR, I think Buzzr will be fine. Fremantle has specifically mentioned they are aiming for an older audience who would remember other classic game shows as well. To suggest that Buzzr won't do that well without TPIR is honestly stretching it quite a bit.
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Here's the weekend schedule for Buzzr. The E/I programming are the non game shows on the schedule in the morning. Saturday Night has a VERY cool feature. Here's the weekend schedule.
Saturday:
6A/6:30 Family Feud
7A/7:30 Tattletales
8A Child's Play
8:30 Body Language
9A Blockbusters
9:30 Card Sharks
10A/10:30: Stanley on the Go (E/I)
11A-1P: To Tell the Truth/What's My Line/I've Got a Secret
1P-3P: To Tell the Truth/What's My Line/I've Got a Secret
3P: Child's Play
3:30: Body Language
4P: Blockbusters
4:30: Card Sharks
5P/5:30: Family Feud
6P Child's Play
6:30 Body Language
7P: Blockbusters
7:30: Card Sharks
8P-11P: Buzzr Time Machine (5 to 6 shows in a 3 hour span from the same decade)
11P-2A: Buzzr Time Machine (5 to 6 shows in a 3 hour span from the same decade)
2A/2:30A: Family Feud
3A/3:30A: Family Feud
4A/4:30A: Super Password
5A/5:30A: Super Password
Sunday:
6A/6:30A: Match Game
7A/7:30A: Match Game
8A/8:30A: Let's Make a Deal
9A/9:30A: Let's Make a Deal
10A/10:30A: Dog Tales (E/I)
11A/11:30A: Animal Rescue (E/I)
12P/12:30P: Super Password
1P/1:30P: Super Password
2P/2:30P: Match Game
3P/3:30P: Match Game
4P/4:30P: Family Feud
5P/5:30P: Family Feud
6P/6:30P: Press Your Luck
7P/7:30P: Press Your Luck
8P-11P: Monster Buzz (Monster Garage/Monster Garage/Monster House)
11P-2A: Monster Buzz (Monster Garage/Monster Garage/Monster House)
2A/2:30A: Press Your Luck
3A/3:30A: Press Your Luck
4A/4:30A: Match Game
5A/5:30A: Match Game
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I sure hope a station in the Colorado Springs/Pueblo market gets this. The schedules I saw posted in the thread remind me of what I loved so much about GSN. The classics.
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Here's hoping my area eventually gets this channel as well. I'm curious what episodes of Press Your Luck they will begin with.
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The scheduled programming is appealing provided it is run at normal speed and is not adulterated with graphical overlays, and the credits are shown full screen. I hope the syndicated versions of TTTT and WML? are aired.
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The scheduled programming is appealing provided it is run at normal speed and is not adulterated with graphical overlays, and the credits are shown full screen. I hope the syndicated versions of TTTT and WML? are aired.
While they could be, the spacing of them suggests to me that it is the B & W versions for now.
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So, the channel has apparently launched early (at least in Michigan). First show I've caught was a 1984 (first season) Super Password with Bert Convy.
To answer the burning question: yes, the shows are totally unedited, all promotional plugs are intact, as are the credits. Currently up is the 1970s version of Card Sharks with Jim Perry. This must be some kind of demo version because the shows that are airing don't match up with the schedule Jamal had posted for Saturday.
There doesn't seem to be any paid advertisment yet as the commercial breaks have been showing little My Dinner With Andre style segments with Monty Hall and Wayne Brady, discussing Let's Make a Deal. They're also airing promos for their programming blocks, which I've seen footage of Dawson's Family Feud, Tattletales, Hall's Let's Make a Deal, the 1970s Match Game and black and white I've Got a Secret.
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My area won't be getting Buzzr TV but I was interested in seeing more old episodes of 1970s Match Game as well as more classic Price is Right
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Any Canadian markets picking up this station?
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Any Canadian markets picking up this station?
Unless you can pick up NY's stations with an antenna, most likely not.
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Also for those of you who live in the Chicago area, this will be of interest to you. A member of Game Show Forum was notified on his Comcast billing statement that Buzzr will be available on their limited basic cable service beginning July 30th.
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Any Canadian markets picking up this station?
Windsor, ON will pick up WJBK (Fox 2) in Detroit because of the proximity. The only clearance in New York State is WWOR Secaucus, near the NY/NJ border. Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse were all left out at this point. Bell Fibe in Toronto picks up KCPQ from Seattle, but that's not been cleared either.
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Even then, they don't have sub channels available on Canadian cable.
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I'm curious what episodes of Press Your Luck they will begin with.
As long as it's better than the selection GSN was airing, I'll be happy. Seemed like it was the same year or so of episodes being aired endlessly, and all of them minus the commercial bumpers and end credits.
There was talk that Buzzr so far hadn't edited anything out and that episodes they aired were entirely intact, and didn't feature credit crunching, at least on the first broadcast day. Those of you that have it, is that still the case 24 hours later?
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So, the channel has apparently launched early (at least in Michigan). First show I've caught was a 1984 (first season) Super Password with Bert Convy.
To answer the burning question: yes, the shows are totally unedited, all promotional plugs are intact, as are the credits. Currently up is the 1970s version of Card Sharks with Jim Perry. This must be some kind of demo version because the shows that are airing don't match up with the schedule Jamal had posted for Saturday.
There doesn't seem to be any paid advertisment yet as the commercial breaks have been showing little My Dinner With Andre style segments with Monty Hall and Wayne Brady, discussing Let's Make a Deal. They're also airing promos for their programming blocks, which I've seen footage of Dawson's Family Feud, Tattletales, Hall's Let's Make a Deal, the 1970s Match Game and black and white I've Got a Secret.
By unedited, do you also mean they have contestant/ticket plugs? (i.e. Card Sharks, Super Password, Family Feud (Dawson & Combs)
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They're only running a demo mode right now of Super Password and Card Sharks, both of which are repeating the same episode. Neither show has had any contestant plugs that I've seen. If they do keep the contestant plugs intact, I would assume they'd have some graphic on screen advising viewers not to call the numbers or send the letters as the contacts are long-since defunct.
Slightly off topic, I'm sensing it'll be just the Dawson version of Family Feud they'll be airing for now... all the little promos they've aired that I've seen have had only his version featured.
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Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse were all left out at this point.
As were Watertown and Plattsburgh, but this is such a small market that we'll probably never get it.
Of course, we don't even get first-run Feud up here!:lol:
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As were Watertown and Plattsburgh, but this is such a small market that we'll probably never get it.
Of course, we don't even get first-run Feud up here!:lol:
I really don't think that you're missing much! :oldlol:
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Windsor, ON will pick up WJBK (Fox 2) in Detroit because of the proximity. The only clearance in New York State is WWOR Secaucus, near the NY/NJ border. Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse were all left out at this point. Bell Fibe in Toronto picks up KCPQ from Seattle, but that's not been cleared either.
Actually Secaucus is in NJ, but I assume the signals don't stop at an invisible line on a map. ;)
As were Watertown and Plattsburgh, but this is such a small market that we'll probably never get it.
Of course, we don't even get first-run Feud up here!:lol:
Don't forget the Albany market in between as well.
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I'm not sure if Buzzr is coming to Verizon Fios. I live in NYC and Bounce TV is still airing to at least tomorrow.
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I have iO Cablevision and it says channel 9.3 for me (WWOR is my market). I don't even know how decimal point channels work.
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I'm not sure if Buzzr is coming to Verizon Fios. I live in NYC and Bounce TV is still airing to at least tomorrow.
Same with me as a FiOS customer that does get WTTG (Washington, DC) yet no subchannels. Hopefully some of the episodes out of the circuit will be posted online if Verizon screws themselves. FiOS doesn't really do subchannels the way other cable providers do. Hopefully soon it will change; that said, I'm glad the closing credits are left intact and that the series are starting towards the start of each others' run.
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Official news on Buzzr today. Buzzr will officially launch at 8 PM Eastern time with the original pilot of LMAD. Until then starting at Noon Eastern time, clips of an interview done with Monty Hall & Wayne Brady and various shows will loop along with a countdown. The rest is here in a very nice USA Today article about Buzzr and not only is this network for the classic game show fan, in a subtle way, the general manager even calls out GSN. Get ready folks, this is gonna be awesome!!
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/tv/2015/06/01/monty-hall-wayne-brady-talk-classic-game-shows-as-new-format-buzzr-tv-launches/28175837/
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Let the fun begin! :-D
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My satellite provider DISH, does not carry this channel. :-(
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My satellite provider DISH, does not carry this channel. :-(
It has been LONG established that Dish or DirecTV will not carry this channel. This is an over the air network meaning that, unless your local cable decides to carry it, you will need to buy an antenna and digital converter box to get this network.
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Heavy storms are rolling through the Philadelphia area making it pretty tough to get a good signal with just a cheap indoor antenna. I feel like a kid again trying to adjust the ol' rabbit ears haha :oldlol:
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I have iO Cablevision and it says channel 9.3 for me (WWOR is my market). I don't even know how decimal point channels work.
I'm in the same boat as you and I don't think we're getting it. I contacted the company and got told no, "but you can watch GSN if you want something similar."
I don't have any clue about how decimal channels work either.
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I don't have any clue about how decimal channels work either.
Cable and satellite companies rarely carry them, so you usually have to get them over the air using a digital antenna. And if the local station hasn't been transmitting this particular channel before, you may have to do a channel search on your set to make it show up. This function is usually called "autoscan" or something similar.
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BTW, something REALLY cool about the B & W blocks at least the overnight ones anyways. The reason they are two hours is because they are leaving in some of the vintage ads and then adding the regular commercials as well.
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Receiving it in Dallas now, and glad to have it! A few thoughts:
* The "Buzz Til Dawn" B&W block of three episodes -- The 4 to 6 a.m. block is the same episodes as the 2 to 4 a.m. ones. To Tell The Truth featured Johnny Carson and Betty White, and I've Got a Secret had Betsy Palmer (who passed away last week) as a panelist -- instead of starting with first episodes, maybe Buzzr is going for celebrity recognition?
* The first-day promos featured lots of Wayne Brady interviews with Monty Hall. In one of them, Monty says his show was always about the contestants, not him, which is why they got close-ups and he didn't. In an alternate universe (OK, very alternate) Brady would be sitting down with Bob Barker, who'd be talking about his favorite moments from TPiR. Still hoping the show makes it to Buzzr … eventually.
* Except for Card Sharks and that Let's Make a Deal pilot, none of the shows started with first episodes. Match Game (so far) is 1978 episodes (Richard Dawson at his most disengaged) and Family Feud episodes are around that era too.
* Speaking of that Let's Make a Deal pilot -- it was absolutely surreal. Very different from the show it eventually became.
Thanks, Buzzr, for giving us what GSN used to be.
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So far, so good. I like how Match Game and Family Feud are being paired up in back-to-back hours of two episodes each, seeing that the latter was a spinoff of the former. And having Child's Play and Body Language in the same hour is a nice touch too, as they were hosted by Bill Cullen and Tom Kennedy, who were best known for hosting TPIR at some point in their careers.
Still hoping for TPIR to make it eventually, as well as Combs Feud. I'd be all for having Barker and Carey episodes run back-to-back, though I doubt CBS would like it. Then throw in Cullen's show for the Buzz Til Dawn presentations, and I'd be happy.
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* Except for Card Sharks and that Let's Make a Deal pilot, none of the shows started with first episodes.
Press Your Luck is also starting from the very beginning. And I think Tattletales did the same thing.
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Press Your Luck is also starting from the very beginning. And I think Tattletales did the same thing.
You're right, thanks. When I saw Anne Meara & Jerry Stiller on the Tattletales episode, I assumed it was because of her recent passing. But no -- they really did appear on the first episode.
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Super Password also started from the beginning. Match Game & Family Feud seem to be hopping around.
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Can't wait to see what they have planned for the Buzzr time machine on weekends. I hope they will do like show first episodes from one decade, last episodes from one decade, etc. It could very similar to GSN's Wide World of Games.
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I still am not getting it in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Their web site even says they have it, but they don't. I hope we get it soon.
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What years are they showing for Let's Make A Deal? I noticed there will be a cluster of shows of LMAD this weekend, possibly as part of the BUZZR time machine.
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I still am not getting it in Minneapolis-St. Paul. Their web site even says they have it, but they don't. I hope we get it soon.
The Twin Cities will have Buzzr in September.
What years are they showing for Let's Make A Deal? I noticed there will be a cluster of shows of LMAD this weekend, possibly as part of the BUZZR time machine.
From what I've heard they are in the first syndicated season of LMAD right now. And you are correct, this weekend LMAD will be Buzzr's Time Machine.
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Same with me as a FiOS customer that does get WTTG (Washington, DC) yet no subchannels. Hopefully some of the episodes out of the circuit will be posted online if Verizon screws themselves. FiOS doesn't really do subchannels the way other cable providers do. Hopefully soon it will change; that said, I'm glad the closing credits are left intact and that the series are starting towards the start of each others' run.
I have FiOS in Montgomery County, MD and we have all the digital subchannels EXCEPT this one...and I think part of that is the fact 5.2 is a brand new digital subchannel that didn't exist before. I'm told they have to get FCC approval to add - which can take a little bit of time. The digital subchannels for the other OTA channels in the area are in the 450-500 range mostly.
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Now that we have BUZZR, this raises a good question...
Does anyone even watch GSN anymore?
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Does anyone even watch GSN anymore?
Based on what I saw the last time I watched GSN, I'd say more than likely not. I say that because:
- the genuine game shows are dwindling fast in favor of reality programming, which is cheap to produce and (supposedly) has a mass-market appeal
- everything is getting the stuffing edited out of it to make room for ever more commercial time, a sure sign the network is feeling the financial pinch
I can't think of any reason for them to be hurting and making format changes, and showing what looks like desperation for money, unless viewership is declining, and they need to get as many pennies as they can for every second of airtime.
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Now that we have BUZZR, this raises a good question...
Does anyone even watch GSN anymore?
Not I, said the fly.
There's not a whole lot that GSN airs that I want to watch. Plus, thanks to YouTube, there are plenty of episodes of the shows that I want to watch (like Match Game) that I can access 24/7.
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You'll have to forgive my lack of knowledge on this one, but here goes...
I live in NYC, and according to the Buzzr website the channel will be available on channel 9.3. Channel 9 is WWOR but what the heck is this "9.3" thing?
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I live in NYC, and according to the Buzzr website the channel will be available on channel 9.3. Channel 9 is WWOR but what the heck is this "9.3" thing?
Every broadcast TV station is allotted sufficient bandwidth for multiple digital channels: their primary channel plus up to four sub-channels. Using WWOR as an example, 9 is the main channel and the sub-channels are designated 9.1, 9.2, et cetera.
Each TV station can chop up their available bandwidth as they choose to create between one and five channels. Variables and trade-offs are the bit rate (image quality) and screen resolution (picture size). Typically, the primary channel is presented in high definition and the sub-channels are in standard definition. Several networks (e.g. Me TV, Antenna TV, Buzzr) have emerged to supply programming to local stations' digital sub-channels.
It is not a given that cable operators carry the digital sub-channels of local stations. It depends on the "Must Carry" arrangement that is in place between the TV station and cable operator. Local stations may choose one of two options under the Must Carry regulation. They can insist that their channels be carried by a cable operator (and receive no payment from the cable company) or the stations may negotiate with the cable operator for a retransmission fee in exchange for allowing the cable company to carry its signal(s). In the latter case, it can be that the retransmission agreement covers only the primary channel, not the digital sub-channels.
I find it better to receive local stations off the air with an antenna than to pay for cable TV service. Reception of all the digital sub-channels is assured this way, and often the picture quality is superior.
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the genuine game shows [on GSN] are dwindling fast in favor of reality programming, which is cheap to produce and (supposedly) has a mass-market appeal
You forgot the seemingly-endless amounts of Steve Harvey Family Feud on the schedule...although I am not particularly surprised given that the show is rather unremarkable.
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You forgot the seemingly-endless amounts of Steve Harvey Family Feud on the schedule...although I am not particularly surprised given that the show is rather unremarkable.
Besides GSN, here in Dallas Family Feud also airs twice daily on the local ABC affiliate station. Is it THAT popular? (I can't fathom it.)
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Four times on our CW station. Not to mention the TV Land repeats.
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If they're that desperate yet part of the megacorp that owns Wheel, J!, Pyramid (not just the Mike Richards version), TJW, TTD, the Chuck Barris shows, why can't they just air and promote a classic block more in order to appeal to a wider audience and not just a tiny demo?
Currently, GSN (with a recently rebranded ID which hints at changes coming) airs the following:
FRIDAYS:
14 Harvey Feud (7 hours)
3 Deal or No Deal (3 hours)
6 Newlywed Game (Shepherd) (3 hours)
2 Catch 21 (1 hour)
2 Chain Reaction (1 hour)
2 Baggage on the Road (1 hour)
The Chase (1 hour)
Richard Pyramid (1/2 hour)
2 1/2 hours of classics: 2 Match Game/Card Sharks '86/PYL/Shop Til You Drop
4 hours of paid programming
Having two-thirds of your non-infomercial schedule with just three different shows speaks for a lack in diversity. That's not to say that these AREN'T game shows, its just that the selection is seriously lacking compared to Buzzr.
SATURDAYS:
12 Family Feud Harvey (6 hours, all consecutive)
2 Idiot test (2 hours)
6 Baggage (3 hours, all consecutive)
5 Hours of paid programming
And worst of all:
8 SKIN TEST (8 hours, all consecutive; WTF?)
So for a network that proclaims that its the go-to source, and on the game that people tend to have the most free time, out of 19 hours, just FOUR different game shows, only one of them well-known. That's just shooting yourself in the foot. :-x
Sundays aren't much better:
3 Deal Or No Deal (3 hours)
4 Baggage (2 hours)
2 Idiottest (2 hours)
6 Shepherd Newlywed Game (3 hours)
18 Harvey Feud (9 hours)
5 hours of paid programming
I really would love to persuade Game Show Garbage to show how GSN's managment causing some of the least diverse programming on any channel has really shot themselves in the foot. Its one of the only ways to persuade themselves from diversifying. Until them, I'm just thinking about getting a digital antenna for Buzzr.
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To be honest GSN was one of the few reasons I kept cable. Now that Buzzr has come along, if GSN doesn't get their act together and if other channels I watch are available online, I'm most likely gonna get rid of cable.
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Now that Buzzr has come along, if GSN doesn't get their act together and if other channels I watch are available online, I'm most likely gonna get rid of cable.
What else do you watch? There may be a better alternative.
I don't have anything more than basic cable television, and even that just because it's part of a package that gives a nice discount on broadband Internet. To be honest, I don't miss cable; if there's a show I want to see, most of the time it's available through Amazon and/or Netflix. Having to stream it is a small price to pay for seeing it completely free of commercials.
Just a thought of course.
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I've had cable for a long time but my provider didn't put GSN on the schedule until 2004. It may have been a locality issue because other parts of Long Island have had it when The Price is Right was still on that network. Fast forward to early 2011 when my provider made GSN a pay channel under a sports package. Haven't had it since and with what's on the network these days, I don't miss it.
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I have a good question for what would be allowed to air of price, We know Bob holds lots of power over what does and does not show on game show broadcast television for TPIR, does he hold any say over the Drew Programming as part of that was produced before Mike took that over?
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I have a good question for what would be allowed to air of price, We know Bob holds lots of power over what does and does not show on game show broadcast television for TPIR, does he hold any say over the Drew Programming as part of that was produced before Mike took that over?
Doubtful. The consensus seems to be that Bob doesn't actually hold control over which episodes air, but rather how his image is used (it's a fine but very important distinction). Presumably, the only episodes of Drew's era he would have any say over at all would be those in which he appeared, and even then, probably only for those segments in which he appeared...at most.
I have a hard time imagining that whatever arrangement he has regarding his shows, it would extend in any meaningful way into the Carey era.
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The next thing i wonder is what Buzzr will be allowed to have, Bob price is mainly the problem as there are banned episodes in his rotation, Drew doesn't have episodes with imposed bans.
Would Drew price be all that's allowed for Buzzr, and Bob price would be unusable for the freemantle media owned and operated network....
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So I'm sorry if this has been covered already, but I don't have cable but I am hearing about digital antennas.. I live in CT and when I was younger I was able to get WWOR on regular cable tv. If I just pick up a digital antenna, will I be able to pick up the Buzzr feed? Also, any suggestions for digital antennas?
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Depends on how far you are from WWOR's transmitter. It's licensed to Secaucus N J but their transmitter is on top of the Empire State Building. Terrain could also be a factor.
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The next thing i wonder is what Buzzr will be allowed to have, Bob price is mainly the problem as there are banned episodes in his rotation, Drew doesn't have episodes with imposed bans.
Would Drew price be all that's allowed for Buzzr, and Bob price would be unusable for the freemantle media owned and operated network....
Hey, never say never. I wouldn't mind at all if TPIR started from 1995, as that was when Holly left the show for good. So far, all the other shows have started out this way: Family Feud from 1980 or so, and Match Game from 1978, to give some good examples.
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I wouldn't mind at all if TPIR started from 1995, as that was when Holly left the show for good.
Remember that Bob's veto is only half the equation; it still has to be cleared by the legal rightsholder, in this case Fremantle. Seems like they didn't want to clear TPiR to air anywhere other than its traditional broadcast slot for fear of overexposure, or some such. As a concern that one's easy to understand, since I for one can only handle Drew's show in small doses.
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@ethawne2015 I can't even stream his show at all due to limitations with my internet connection, and CBS's need to switch into the low bandwidth audio only mode to compensate for it.
I understand the concern with what fremantle would want with price, as its a premium product with high licensing fees. It would be an issue for Buzzr to let alone obtain the clearances to air the show. GSN couldn't handle it because of the factors that were previously stated.
A lot of the older shows which fremantle has aside from The Price is Right , are caught up in cross rights issues with other parties, which makes their joining Buzzr hard.
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@ethawne2015 I can't even stream his show at all due to limitations with my internet connection, and CBS's need to switch into the low bandwidth audio only mode to compensate for it.
I understand the concern with what fremantle would want with price, as its a premium product with high licensing fees. It would be an issue for Buzzr to let alone obtain the clearances to air the show. GSN couldn't handle it because of the factors that were previously stated.
A lot of the older shows which fremantle has aside from The Price is Right , are caught up in cross rights issues with other parties, which makes their joining Buzzr hard.
Fremantle owns the show outright, they wouldn't have to pay higher licensing fees at all. The only issue between the reruns are Bob Barker & CBS. Once those hurdles are crossed, I'm sure Price will be on Buzzr. The only cross owned shows that have issues are Match Game Hollywood Squares Hour (Which Gene Rayburn never wanted reran anyways), Scrabble, Concentration, and (MAYBE) Scattegories if they wanted to run it. Everything else is free and clear to run. I'm sure through time, more of Fremantle's library will find it's way to Buzzr.
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@ethanlange so only 4 programs in freemantles library are caught up in cross rights issues, everything else is free and clear to air.
The issue for price joining buzzr is Bob Barker and CBS, come on bob, let up on letting your run be shown again to the masses who may have missed that the first time.
as its been previously stated its possible he forced freemantle media's hand into giving him a ton of powers not in his actual contract, and did not retire voluntarily from hosting price, before it was handed over to Drew.
could bob gain more traction on what of price shows up on buzzr, like he can make his entire run unusable to buzzr, only have Drew's run show up on Buzzr, etc?
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The issue for price joining buzzr is Bob Barker and CBS, come on bob, let up on letting your run be shown again to the masses who may have missed that the first time.
I'll say it again, Bob's veto isn't the only roadblock. Fremantle would have to be willing to let the show air outside its usual spot. Far as I know, they wouldn't let that happen, even with Drew's show.
could bob gain more traction on what of price shows up on buzzr, like he can make his entire run unusable to buzzr, only have Drew's run show up on Buzzr, etc?
This doesn't make any sense to me, Steven. I already said earlier in the thread that Bob might well have ultimate say on how (and whether) his image is used. If he doesn't let them use his image from any episode that involved furs or certain models, then those episodes can't be aired, anywhere.
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Let me rephrase that. What did his actual contract he signed actually say could or could not be done with the show?
Does Bob have additional unstated powers as EP that go beyond his retirement that could make things difficult for buzzr to use the product, it's a great question
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I'll say it again, Bob's veto isn't the only roadblock. Fremantle would have to be willing to let the show air outside its usual spot. Far as I know, they wouldn't let that happen, even with Drew's show.
That part isn't on Fremantle, it's on CBS.
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That part isn't on Fremantle, it's on CBS.
Is it? I would've thought as the rightsholder it would be up to Fremantle to make those decisions. (I think the argument in question actually makes even more sense if CBS makes the call though.)
Anyhow, I was wrong--thanks for the correction.
Let me rephrase that. What did his actual contract he signed actually say could or could not be done with the show?
That I don't think we know, and like my question about Rich's firing, is probably something we'll never know. Everything that I've said has been completely speculative.
Does Bob have additional unstated powers as EP that go beyond his retirement that could make things difficult for buzzr to use the product, it's a great question
The only thing I feel like we can take as a fact, or maybe a highly probable speculation, is that since he's no longer EP and hasn't been for the entire Drew era, his formal influence on broadcast rights ended with the last show of season 35. After that, I could see how he might strongly insist on certain things, but not to actually make legally binding decisions.
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So I'm sorry if this has been covered already, but I don't have cable but I am hearing about digital antennas.. I live in CT and when I was younger I was able to get WWOR on regular cable tv. If I just pick up a digital antenna, will I be able to pick up the Buzzr feed? Also, any suggestions for digital antennas?
The FCC has a web page about TV antennas. Even older antennas used for analog signal reception might work.
www.fcc.gov/guides/antennas-and-digital-television
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I actually have tried finding an actual copy of barkers contract, doesn't exist anywhere on the net.
If his formal influence on broadcast rights ended with the 35th season, shouldn't control have transferred from barker to Fremantle media and the network.
I get its speculation and not to be taken for the truth that we'll never know how bobs deal was written, according to Wikipedia there may have been an answer to your question of some sort.
If he can strongly insist on certain things and can't make buzzr agree to legally binding decisions, wouldn't it influence the networks ability to use price without the proper clearances
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The only cross owned shows that have issues are Match Game Hollywood Squares Hour (Which Gene Rayburn never wanted reran anyways),
Per Adam Nedeff, this is entirely untrue. While Rayburn indeed had several legitimate reasons to put a ban order on this series, he only ever exercised that right for his 13 weeks of Break the Bank.
I believe this was because he did seem to enjoy the Match Game portions of the Hour, whereas on Bank he was treated poorly by Kline & Friends (who chastised him for making jokes during what they considered to be a "serious and suspenseful" bonus game, then later blamed him for the poor ratings; there is an episode circulating where Gene noticeably goes through the motions throughout).
Scrabble,
Hasbro.
Concentration,
Owned outright by NBC (purchased from Barry-Enright shortly into its run), licensed to syndicator Jim Victory/Victory Productions, which in turn subcontracted to Goodson-Todman (hence why Victory Television appears in the credits of Classic Concentration).
and (MAYBE) Scattegories if they wanted to run it.
Also Hasbro. Personally, I believe Scattergories may be good in a weekend slot, or possibly in a daily hour block with the 1993 Scrabble as it was on NBC.
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I actually have tried finding an actual copy of barkers contract, doesn't exist anywhere on the net.
That's not surprising, usually there's all kinds of confidentiality agreements that surround those things. Most employment agreements are like that, you don't talk about the terms to anyone else, often under penalty of termination.
If his formal influence on broadcast rights ended with the 35th season, shouldn't control have transferred from barker to Fremantle media and the network.
Steven, I've explained my theory on this twice now. I don't know how else to I can try to explain it.
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ethawne2015, what else could fremantle media north america possibly obtain that it explicitly owns as far as gameshows go that could be contributed to buzzr?
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we dont get Buzzr tv here in St. Louis
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ethawne2015, what else could fremantle media north america possibly obtain that it explicitly owns as far as gameshows go that could be contributed to buzzr?
Except for the four shows mentioned above, everything else in Fremantle's library media is owned outright by them. I'm sure as time goes on, Buzzr will rotate shows in and out.
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Except that Jim Victory Television was bought up by MTM Enterprises/20th Century Fox-21st Century Fox... http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTM_Enterprises (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTM_Enterprises)
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I wouldn't mind at all if TPIR started from 1995, as that was when Holly left the show for good.
If the 14 seasons of Marc Breslow-directed episodes aren't included, I won't be watching.
Speaking of Breslow: He was really busy in 1978. The Price is Right daytime & nighttime, Match Game '78 and Card Sharks (both currently on Buzzr), Match Game PM. Best game show director. Ever.
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If the 14 seasons of Marc Breslow-directed episodes aren't included, I won't be watching.
Speaking of Breslow: He was really busy in 1978. The Price is Right daytime & nighttime, Match Game '78 and Card Sharks (both currently on Buzzr), Match Game PM. Best game show director. Ever.
If the model ban and fur ban are still in place, then 1972-1976 would be available to air of the Breslow years. The rest would not be available. Also Card Sharks was directed by Paul Alter.
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Speaking of Breslow: He was really busy in 1978. The Price is Right daytime & nighttime, Match Game '78 and Card Sharks (both currently on Buzzr), Match Game PM. Best game show director. Ever.
Also Card Sharks was directed by Paul Alter.
Alter was directing CS at that point, but Breslow did eventually replace him [probably after MG left production?].
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Alter was directing CS at that point, but Breslow did eventually replace him [probably after MG left production?].
Nope. Breslow directed Card Sharks first, starting in 1978. Closing credits show him, and his directing style is unmistakable.
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Besides, Card Sharks ended its run before Match Game did.
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Also Card Sharks was directed by Paul Alter.
And way before that, he was the main director of the Bill Cullen Price Is Right.
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Night of June 20 will be an interesting night. According to Titan TV, during the time period for Buzzr Time Machine they will run Blockbusters, Family Feud, Card Sharks, and Press Your Luck. This would have to be the 1980s lookback. I would be very curious to know which shows they will run.
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Night of June 20 will be an interesting night. According to Titan TV, during the time period for Buzzr Time Machine they will run Blockbusters, Family Feud, Card Sharks, and Press Your Luck. This would have to be the 1980s lookback. I would be very curious to know which shows they will run.
I'm sure it will be the versions currently seen on Buzzr. Dawson's Feud lasted until '85, Perry's Card Sharks went until 1981 so it qualifies, and of course PYL went from '83-'86. I think it might be a little bit before different versions get trotted out.
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It looks like beginning last night, Match Game'78 FINALLY started airing in correct order and not backwards. They started with 1149 and 1150.
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There must be some sort of mistake. The episodes I'm watching on BUZZR now are the same ones that aired exactly 3 weeks ago.
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According to Titan TV, Password Plus will air on July 4. It looks like its going to be part of the Buzzr TV Time Machine, along with Card Sharks, Press Your Luck and Super Password. I hope those shows will be milestone shows (firsts or lasts). But they are all indeed 80s.
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There must be some sort of mistake. The episodes I'm watching on BUZZR now are the same ones that aired exactly 3 weeks ago.
A member of Game Show Forum got an email from his contact regarding Buzzr and told that reruns will happen from time to time, but it will be fixed(wasn't given a time frame on when). Also there are going to do something for the 4th of July and will be sending out a release next week.
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Buzzr just posted on their FB page that "New" episodes of their current schedule will begin on Monday June 29th.
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I went to my grandmother's house today for a family dinner, and while I was channel-flipping through her Comcast cable package, I saw that she had Buzzr! I managed to catch the Body Language and Match Game '74 episodes in the Fourth of July marathon. It caught me off-guard to see Buzzr in a cable package, especially since it was mentioned earlier in the thread that Comcast had notified someone else that Buzzr would become available in their package on July 30th. Unfortunately, I'll still have to wait indefinitely since Fios hasn't picked up Buzzr in my area yet, but it seems like it's becoming more widely available at a quicker pace than I thought!
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I went to my grandmother's house today for a family dinner, and while I was channel-flipping through her Comcast cable package, I saw that she had Buzzr! I managed to catch the Body Language and Match Game '74 episodes in the Fourth of July marathon. It caught me off-guard to see Buzzr in a cable package, especially since it was mentioned earlier in the thread that Comcast had notified someone else that Buzzr would become available in their package on July 30th. Unfortunately, I'll still have to wait indefinitely since Fios hasn't picked up Buzzr in my area yet, but it seems like it's becoming more widely available at a quicker pace than I thought!
That was in the Chicago area only. Cable is your best bet of getting Buzzr without an antenna if it's in your area and that is solely at their discretion as well.
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Once again, Buzzr is airing episodes they showed just a few weeks ago (Match Game, Card Sharks).
Did they only get a tiny selection of episodes to show for now? Their promos said tens of thousands of episodes are available, but we're only seeing a handful so far. Match Game seems permanently stuck in 1978.
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Not to be nitpicky, but can a mod remove the "(Incl. TPIR!)" from the title of this thread, since TPIR isn't airing on Buzzr at this time? :)
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Once again, Buzzr is airing episodes they showed just a few weeks ago (Match Game, Card Sharks).
Did they only get a tiny selection of episodes to show for now? Their promos said tens of thousands of episodes are available, but we're only seeing a handful so far. Match Game seems permanently stuck in 1978.
I wonder if they are focusing on adding providers then focus on adding episodes, I just got the network being with cablevision and its all i watch now, the episodes are new-ish to me so I am happy
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I wonder if they are focusing on adding providers then focus on adding episodes, I just got the network being with cablevision and its all i watch now, the episodes are new-ish to me so I am happy
That's what I was thinking. Keep adding new providers for now until Buzzr is on almost every carrier, then start airing new classics.
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I wonder if they are focusing on adding providers then focus on adding episodes, I just got the network being with cablevision and its all i watch now, the episodes are new-ish to me so I am happy
Wait, what area are you in? I have Cablevision myself and I haven't heard a thing about getting Buzzr.
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Apologies for the double post, but please disregard the above question; I searched through my channels again today and lo and behold, it's there now.
Seeing these shows again is a real treat.
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Has anyone seen the LMAD when they air the big deal twice in one episode and know why? Tape partially destroyed/damaged etc?
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Is there any ballpark figure out there for how much of Cullen Price still exists? While watching Buzzr I found myself thinking it would be a good fit and I am aware that GSN did air it at some point.
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Is there any ballpark figure out there for how much of Cullen Price still exists? While watching Buzzr I found myself thinking it would be a good fit and I am aware that GSN did air it at some point.
I remember around 1999 when I saw an old site that listed all of the classic game shows along with their episode status, mostly with the categories "every episode", "Almost All", "about half", "only a few", and "destroyed/wiped". The site (I'd love to find it if you know what it was called, it was probably on some Geocities site) as I remember listed Cullen Price as "about half". In reality however, that only applies to the primetime version. Since the nighttime version lasted almost eight years, figure 50 episodes a year (no summer reruns back then), that means out of around 400 episodes, probably somewhere between 100 and 300 or so survive. Unfortunately, like all daytime shows at a time tape was new/expensive technology, it was viable to simply wipe rather than to save, ad at the time the hobby/practice of saving recordings hadn't yet suface (even movies were just past their wiping phase at that point). Even though likely over 2,000 episodes of Daytime Price may have been produced, it is likely that as much 99.9% of them are lost as approximately only a dozen or so episodes from that version survive. Rinkerman's collection has only two daytime episodes from 1957, and unlike primetime in which kinescope recording were more viable for that time, it wasn't a practice for daytime. While primetime had more preserved, remember that tapes were still expensive so a good number of episodes from that run still had to be wiped for other shows, especially for serialistic programming.
Since that isn't a great amount of shows along with the fact that primetime was weekly, it would be most viable to air this weekly so that it can run for a few years just like GSN did (including the surviving daytime episodes).
I'm surprised that the issue about what survives hasn't been posted on the FAQ much like how it is explained on Wheel and Jeopardy's Wikis, since our FAQ is sort of the closest thing to those Wikis.
One question: did GSN air any episodes of Cullen Price that offered fur, since I might assume there could have been a fur ban for that version, too?
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Is there any ballpark figure out there for how much of Cullen Price still exists?
There are approximately 80 episodes known to exist:
-NBC Daytime: Four shows from 1957 (February 21, May 31, July 5, July 19) circulate. The UCLA Film & Television Archive holds two shows from 1956 and one from January 1957.
-NBC Primetime: At least 65 episodes, ranging from October 1957 through the September 1963 finale.
-ABC Daytime: At least four episodes, all from 1965.
-ABC Primetime: At least eight episodes (one from 1963, the rest from 1964).
Of these, GSN aired 67: one NBC daytime show, 60 NBC primetime shows, and six ABC primetime shows.
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I remember around 1999 when I saw an old site that listed all of the classic game shows along with their episode status, mostly with the categories "every episode", "Almost All", "about half", "only a few", and "destroyed/wiped". The site (I'd love to find it if you know what it was called, it was probably on some Geocities site) as I remember listed Cullen Price as "about half". In reality however, that only applies to the primetime version. Since the nighttime version lasted almost eight years, figure 50 episodes a year (no summer reruns back then), that means out of around 400 episodes, probably somewhere between 100 and 300 or so survive. Unfortunately, like all daytime shows at a time tape was new/expensive technology, it was viable to simply wipe rather than to save, ad at the time the hobby/practice of saving recordings hadn't yet suface (even movies were just past their wiping phase at that point). Even though likely over 2,000 episodes of Daytime Price may have been produced, it is likely that as much 99.9% of them are lost as approximately only a dozen or so episodes from that version survive. Rinkerman's collection has only two daytime episodes from 1957, and unlike primetime in which kinescope recording were more viable for that time, it wasn't a practice for daytime. While primetime had more preserved, remember that tapes were still expensive so a good number of episodes from that run still had to be wiped for other shows, especially for serialistic programming.
Since that isn't a great amount of shows along with the fact that primetime was weekly, it would be most viable to air this weekly so that it can run for a few years just like GSN did (including the surviving daytime episodes).
I'm surprised that the issue about what survives hasn't been posted on the FAQ much like how it is explained on Wheel and Jeopardy's Wikis, since our FAQ is sort of the closest thing to those Wikis.
One question: did GSN air any episodes of Cullen Price that offered fur, since I might assume there could have been a fur ban for that version, too?
Was it all one long text document? If so, I think I may have a copy of it (The Game Show Survival List, by Chris Jaunsen and Paul "The Flea"), message me if you want it.
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One question: did GSN air any episodes of Cullen Price that offered fur, since I might assume there could have been a fur ban for that version, too?
I did not notice this, so my apologies: GSN did air Cullen episodes with furs, as Barker's fur ban does not apply to that era.
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All of the A through M shows that survive are found here. Does that list blozier2006 include all N through Z shows?
http://www.oocities.org/televisioncity/stage/2776/gslista-m.html
I'm not sure when this was updated (sometime in the mid-2000s), but Dream House (the 1983-84 run) is now considered a lost show due to a fire at the storage facility that held the masters. That's not to say that Beta/VHS episodes may still turn up though.
Still, there are considerable number of intact shows that have never been aired on GSN: All About Faces, All Star Blitz, All Star Secrets, Animal Crack-Ups, Anything for Money, Bargain Hunters (unfortunately, I wouldn't reair this), Blackout, the 1985-86 Break the Bank, Bruce Forsythe's Hot Streak, Catch Phrase, Cross-wits (1986), Every Second Counts, Face the Music, The Family Game, Headline Chasers, Guilty or Innocent, Hit Man, I'm Telling, Jackpot '89, Judge for Yourself, later ABC LMAD, Liars' Club, Lingo (1987), and Make the Connection in addition to what I've said in a previous post.
Battlestars, The Better Sex, Dealer's Choice, The Guiness Game, Just Men!, The Krypton Factor, Masquerade Party (Syn), and The Movie Game are other possibilities since it isn't confirmed that these shows are lost.
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^ Yes, I have the N-Z list also (that took a bit more digging to find, if memory serves).
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Some of those shows have aired on GSN----I've bolded them in the quote, and added comments in italics.
Still, there are considerable number of intact shows that have never been aired on GSN: All About Faces [at least one ep, way back when---and it's on YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNRDRy0a7bs)], All Star Blitz, All Star Secrets [during the recent Time Capsule specials], Animal Crack-Ups, Anything for Money, Bargain Hunters (unfortunately, I wouldn't reair this), Blackout, the 1985-86 Break the Bank, Bruce Forsythe's Hot Streak, Catch Phrase, Cross-wits (1986) [2 eps, also Time Capsule], Every Second Counts, Face the Music, The Family Game, Headline Chasers [Want to say maybe; someone else can confirm---C-O], Guilty or Innocent, Hit Man, I'm Telling, Jackpot '89 [I've seen at least one ep], Judge for Yourself, later ABC LMAD, Liars' Club, Lingo (1987), and Make the Connection [Remember seeing at least one ep] in addition to what I've said in a previous post.
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All About Faces [at least one ep, way back when---and it's on YouTube]
I believe they have aired three episodes: the 1971 debut with William Shatner, a 1971 episode with Rich Little, and a 1972 episode with Steve Allen.
Headline Chasers [Want to say maybe; someone else can confirm---C-O]
A single episode from early in the run, yes, but that is all.
Jackpot '89 [I've seen at least one ep]
I believe they have aired at least half a dozen episodes.
Make the Connection [Remember seeing at least one ep]
I believe GSN has aired most if not all of the 13-episode run.
In addition, Judge for Yourself has also aired on GSN. Seven episodes aired in the early Fall of 1997 as part of their "The Lost Episodes" block, which was removed when the "Dark Period" began.
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GSN really aired an episode of Headline Chasers? When?
Jackpot '89 last aired in the last Thanksgiving marathon they did, I think it was.
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GSN really aired an episode of Headline Chasers? When?
I believe around 1996, possibly as a Game of the Week. They have only ever aired a single episode, however, and I am not particularly certain why.
The episode in question was Bob & Mary vs. Anne & Dennis, which was rather notable for a vague final Headline Question which decided the game. The intro of the episode is below.
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I believe around 1996, possibly as a Game of the Week. They have only ever aired a single episode, however, and I am not particularly certain why.
The episode in question was Bob & Mary vs. Anne & Dennis, which was rather notable for a vague final Headline Question which decided the game. The intro of the episode is below.<video snipped>
Thanks.
How odd that they'd just air it one-and-done like that.
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I believe around 1996, possibly as a Game of the Week.
I always assumed the Game of the Week was strictly for shows where a single episode was all that was known to exist (like Eye Guess, Winning Streak or Number Please).
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I believe Game of the Week was also used to show the 2,000th episode of the original Jeopardy!, as well.
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Finally, Verizon FIOS provides Buzzr to my area! Let's hope its a good channel, and I'll be watching GSN during commercial breaks if the show isn't bad.