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Studio 46 - Non-TPiR Discussion => Out In Left Field => Topic started by: Ccook on April 02, 2022, 04:03:27 AM
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Details here. (https://tvline.com/2022/04/01/match-game-cancelled-abc-alec-baldwin-card-sharks-the-hustler/) Celebrity Family Feud, Press Your Luck and The $100,000 Pyramid are expected to return.
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The Hustler is also gone.
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I kind of expected ABC to bury Match Game, what with Alec being damaged goods by this point. Also not surprised with Celebrity Dating Game; some formats just don't work when the main focus is celebrities.
Too bad about Card Sharks; they had something going with that one. At least the perennials are coming back.
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Don't even think replacing Baldwin with someone else would have been an option. It probably would only remind people of the tragedy.
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I think Match Game was on the chopping block even before the Baldwin saga
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Not surprised honestly.
CardSharks dragged and Joel Mchale looked like he didn't want to be there. They took the fun and excitement from the Perry/Eubanks version and came up with this bore.
Match Game haven't produced any new shows since 2019. They had good celebrities but Alec wasn't the right choice for host.
The Hustler was a pretty good show. Craig was amazing on this show.
I am guessing Millionaire is done also.
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Unfortunate for Card Sharks to go...I had just filled out an application for that recently.
:headbang:
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At least one of the Card Sharks dealers found a new job...here on TPIR.
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Personally, I’m not so sad to see at least “Card Sharks” go. The few shows I did see simply dragged, as if some misguided attempt to “build suspense.”
To me, the show worked best as a fast-paced game. A full 2-of-3 game — questions and such — could be done in 10-15 minutes, and in less than 90 seconds in the Money Cards you might have thousands of dollars won. And then it started all over again.
Here, it seemed MC took 20 minutes to play, a lot of gab and “suspense” building, both totally unneeded.
Build suspense? Watch Jim Perry’s other show, “Sale Of the Century,” wherein if a champion was at a point where (s)he could play for the cash jackpot, they’d have the commercial break to consider the option to leave with their Winner’s Board prizes or risk it on the try at $50,000 (or before that, take the prize package or stay for the final game to add the cash jackpot). That was suspense well-executed.
I’d rather see late 1970s/1980s Card Sharks, if you ask me.
Brian
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Briguy
I agree with you 100 %. Like the old saying goes "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
I guess we will never see Card Sharks again.
I just hope when they bring back Tic Tac Dough and Pass Word they stick with Wink's TTD and Burt's Password.
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Whether or not a revival is executed well on its own merits, by nature, things that have been canceled previously were broken. They wore out their welcome. Sometimes you can just about duplicate that with some minor tweaks, like Pyramid. It’s not always so neatly categorized.
If TTD does come back, why not go all the way back? Why just the Martindale version? They tweaked the original.
Then there’s the namesake show of this forum….
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Tic Tac Dough is one of those shows that’s fun in reruns when you’re specifically looking for 30 minutes of a kitschy 80’s game show to play along with, but I can’t see it translating well to primetime at all without some big changes.
It’s trivia and Tic Tac Toe. What’s the hook? Why is that worth my time? What can I see that I haven’t seen a million times before?
Hollywood Squares has the jokes and the celebrities and the novelty of seeing nine people in a giant board. What can Tic Tac Dough do to make up for not having that? Bring back the “champ’s money at risk” rule from the 50’s?
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It’s trivia and Tic Tac Toe. What’s the hook? Why is that worth my time? What can I see that I haven’t seen a million times before?
The big hook (for the 1978-1986 era), an era where Jeopardy! either wasn't on the air, or else limited its champions to a maximum of five wins, was that Tic Tac Dough had a "sky's the limit" rule, when pretty much no other show (save its sister show, The Joker's Wild) did.
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Personally, I’m not so sad to see at least “Card Sharks” go. The few shows I did see simply dragged, as if some misguided attempt to “build suspense.”
To me, the show worked best as a fast-paced game. A full 2-of-3 game — questions and such — could be done in 10-15 minutes, and in less than 90 seconds in the Money Cards you might have thousands of dollars won. And then it started all over again.
Here, it seemed MC took 20 minutes to play, a lot of gab and “suspense” building, both totally unneeded.
Build suspense? Watch Jim Perry’s other show, “Sale Of the Century,” wherein if a champion was at a point where (s)he could play for the cash jackpot, they’d have the commercial break to consider the option to leave with their Winner’s Board prizes or risk it on the try at $50,000 (or before that, take the prize package or stay for the final game to add the cash jackpot). That was suspense well-executed.
I’d rather see late 1970s/1980s Card Sharks, if you ask me.
Brian
Some shows don't work as a hour long show, I do agree Card Sharks is a fast pace show. Between Card Sharks dragging and Joel Mchale looking like he rather be else where. I remember watching and was bored with the show. In a perfect world I would love to see Card Sharks paired with another Game Show in syndication.
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Similar to Match Game, Card Sharks was a show that straddled back in the day. Coincidentally, Family Feud, PYL and Pyramid didn't. For the most part. Shows where the games carry on from one episode to another is a thing in the past. I guess Millionaire is or was the exception, but when it comes to primetime, it's not ideal to have a gameshow like Card Sharks or TTD/TJW where actions starts mid-episode and finishes on the next one. It doesn't matter if it's an hour show or two half-hour episodes.
To be fair, Match Game did have success with the PM version. The way they altered the game was perfect. With something like TTD/TJW in addition to Card Sharks, it's probably best left kept in the past. I have ways in which the shows can work in a primetime format or even a half hour format where everything fits in one show, but the fact is Card Sharks was a failure. Match Game was okay, but everything became stale. I'll stick to Buzzr & YouTube for my fix in terms of those shows; what ABC has now for Fun & Games is fine
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The big hook (for the 1978-1986 era), an era where Jeopardy! either wasn't on the air, or else limited its champions to a maximum of five wins, was that Tic Tac Dough had a "sky's the limit" rule, when pretty much no other show (save its sister show, The Joker's Wild) did.
Okay, but is that why I should watch in 2022? To see the big number onscreen go up?
If I’m not already a hardened, committed Tic Tac Dough fan, is that really a big enough hook to a) hold my interest for 60 minutes and b) keep me coming back over and over again?
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If I’m not already a hardened, committed Tic Tac Dough fan, is that really a big enough hook to a) hold my interest for 60 minutes and b) keep me coming back over and over again?
I never said it was. I just said, that was the hook in the 1970s. I don't honestly think there's a way for a show like TTD to not be a one-season flop in the 2020s.
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Season 4 of Press Your Luck will begin on July 7
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Followed by the debut of Generation Gap. It is unrelated to the Generation Gap that aired on prime time on ABC in 1969 which was general knowledge. This version will be pop culture related.
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Not surprised honestly.
CardSharks dragged and Joel Mchale looked like he didn't want to be there.
Doesn't Joel look like he doesn't want to be there in any show he does? Even when he acted in community, his character didn't want to be there.
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Although it got out of hand at times, I enjoyed this run of Match Game. I've seen people say over the years that MG was a show that you couldn't bring back because of how good the 70s run was, so the fact they were able to get about 5 seasons out of it was great. When it comes to Card Sharks, I don't think that show can be updated to hold people's attention for a whole hour like most of the others have. I agree with others that it should be a fast paced game, and a lot of the "primetime game show" tropes ended up dragging it down.
I didn't watch Celebrity Dating Game so I can't speak on it. I did enjoy The Hustler and was hoping it would be around for a while. Nevertheless, I'm excited for more Pyramid and PYL, plus Generation Gap looks interesting. In regards to Tic Tac Dough coming back, I think gamesurf's idea of bringing back the bank risking element from the 50s would be interesting, and I hope it gets picked up here locally. With all the talk shows leaving syndication this year, there's bound to be a place for it.
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Keke Palmer (https://www.buzzerblog.com/2022/04/12/keke-palmer-named-host-of-password) has been named the host of the upcoming NBC reboot of Password. The show will follow the format of the original 1961-67 series.
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Doesn't Joel look like he doesn't want to be there in any show he does? Even when he acted in community, his character didn't want to be there.
His "Character" killed Card Sharks and made it boring imo. He would've been better suited for Weakest Link if it was the old format with the host being rude to the contestants.
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Match Game at least made a good effort and I watched a fair number of episodes, and the celebrity panelists were decent. It really did a great job recapturing the set from the classic versions. But there's enough slots on BUZZR (including MGHS) that it's still going be around for awhile, though I wouldn't mind the Ross Schafer version popping up again over there (no Michael Burger please). Like a TTTT, it's probably coming back again in about a decade.
Too bad with Card Sharks; Season 2 fixed some of the flaws like having so many cards to reach the goal to the point where that nobody successfully completed a run. There was a nice mixture of successful/unsuccessful runs that time, and even with its rules and stretching, the Money Cards wasn't too bad, and mixed changing one card anywhere on the 1986 versions with the one card only rule from the early days of the Perry version. The push rule was a nice addition as well, and the set/theme were nicely reimagined from the NBC run. Its still in the select company of game shows that have appeared on the "Big 3" networks as well as syndication. It's unlikely it will ever return, but I'm hinging that we'll see a lucky break.
Celebrity Dating Game was by far the least interesting of the bunch. I prefer the simpler formats of the classic versions, and although there were plenty of celebs on the classic version, they were always surprises, which was part of what made the original great.
Followed by the debut of Generation Gap. It is unrelated to the Generation Gap that aired on prime time on ABC in 1969 which was general knowledge. This version will be pop culture related.
Actually, the original version featured subjects like The Brooklyn Bridge, a bubblegum pop group of the time, as well as things like early TV and movies, along with general knowledge/events-type questions. It was Boomers vs. their parents back then, now the older end of the gap could be geriatric Millennials like myself.
But I'm glad we're FINALLY getting hopefully a version of Password that will stay truer to its roots. NBC teaming it up with TTD or even Concentration would be a nice companion.
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Oh, I remember Brooklyn Bridge ("The Worst That Can Happen") as I'm a bit long in the tooth myself. This Generation Gap should be interesting at the very least. And a nice gesture in that Keke Palmer is dedicating the Password reboot to Betty White.
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Too bad with Card Sharks; Season 2 fixed some of the flaws like having so many cards to reach the goal to the point where that nobody successfully completed a run. There was a nice mixture of successful/unsuccessful runs that time, and even with its rules and stretching, the Money Cards wasn't too bad, and mixed changing one card anywhere on the 1986 versions with the one card only rule from the early days of the Perry version. The push rule was a nice addition as well, and the set/theme were nicely reimagined from the NBC run. Its still in the select company of game shows that have appeared on the "Big 3" networks as well as syndication. It's unlikely it will ever return, but I'm hinging that we'll see a lucky break.
The only way I'll ever accept a Card Sharks comeback is if it's true to it's 1978/1986 roots. Keep it fast-paced ... to hell with the suspense. (Even if it means a $14,400 (NBC)/$16,000 (CBS) bet on the last card in Money Cards ... Jim or Bob might milk a little but they keep it within reason and quick enough to keep the show moving, rather than – a la ABC with virtually every game show nowadays (save for "Family Feud") using "suspense" to grind the show to a halt.
Brian
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Password has a premiere date on NBC. August 9 at 10 PM.
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Word now is that ABC is shelving Supermarket Sweep. It may be back somewhere down the line but not anytime soon.
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Deadline (https://deadline.com/2022/05/janelle-james-host-abc-final-straw-peyton-manning-1235030391/) reports that Janelle James from ABC's breakout freshman comedy series Abbott Elementary is the host of The Final Straw.
And on a side note, is it just me, or does anyone else feel like this thread needs to be renamed to Primetime Broadcast Network Game Shows discussion? I feel like we have diverted from the topic of the cancelations of four of ABC's game shows from early April and into posts about other broadcast networks' primetime game shows.