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Title: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: Marc on June 16, 2010, 02:25:09 PM
The Price is Right Recap - 6/16/2010

Episode #5213K
Aired: 6/16/2010; Tape Date 5/25/2010
Models: Amber Lancaster, Lanisha Cole, Manuela Arbelaez (Jovani)
Drew Entrance: Door #2
Mic Handoff: Amber
First Four Contestant Seating: Right to Left

First IUFB: His-and-her athletic clothing (Puma; ARP: $612) (Lanisha and Manuela)

JANET BRADLEY ALEXIS JESSICA WINNER
$525 $425 $550 $300 ALEXIS

Alexis is playing Double Prices for fitness equipment. (treadmill, upright and recumbent exercise bikes and home gym) (Lanisha and Manuela)

$5,096
ARP: $5,096
*WIN*
$4,173

Second IUFB: Chaise lounge (CarolinaChair.com; ARP: $1,560) (Amber)

Janet Bradley JESSICA C. Jessica S. WINNER
$842 $1 $725 $700 JANET

Janet is playing It's In The Bag. (Lanisha and Manuela)

TAG $1.49 $11.99 $4.89 $3.99 $5.99 LEFTOVER
CHOICE Clif energy bar Space Bag (jumbo Cube) Clorox Disinfecting Wipes (lemon) Wavy Lays potato chips Pantene Pro-V Classic Care shampoo Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil
ACTUAL Clif energy bar Space Bag (jumbo Cube) Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil Wavy Lays potato chips Pantene Pro-V Classic Care shampoo Clorox Disinfecting Wipes (lemon)
DECISION GO ON GO ON LOSS      

UGH! Only one wrong! Been a while since only one was wrong.

Third IUFB: Designer accessories (13-pcs w/belts, hats, scarves and bags; ARP: $1,471) (Lanisha)

DANA Bradley Jessica C. Jessica S. WINNER
$550 $1100 $825 $700 BRADLEY

Bradley, a Philosophy major in college, is playing a brand new game, Rat Race, which is a car game. Its prize presentation is similar to Ten Chances.

On-stage is a large slot car track with five lanes, each for a different colored toy rat. The contestant can win up to three rats to "bet" on to win the race by guessing the prices of three different items. The first item has a margin of error of $1, the second has a margin of $10, and the third has a margin of $100. (You have to be within that margin, below or above, no over rule) If one of the rats is first, it wins the car. If one of the rats is second, it wins the second prize. If one of the rats is third, it wins the third prize.

FIRST PRIZE The grand prize is a Chevrolet HHR LS. (2.2-litre EcoTec engine, 16" wheels, OnStar) (Amber)
SECOND PRIZE iMac computer. (8GB RAM, 1TB HDD, photo printer) (Manuela)
THIRD PRIZE His-and-her watches (Croton) (Manuela)

Item Guesses (Lanisha)

MARGIN ITEM GUESS ARP RESULT
$1 Borden American cheese slices $3.50 $2.89 ORANGE
$10 2-slice toaster $17 $35 WRONG
$100 Samsung 3D Blu-ray player (BD-Live internet connectivity) $300 $400 BLUE

Race Results...

RAT PLACE PRIZE
BLUE 2 COMPUTER LOSS
ORANGE 4  
PINK 5  
GREEN 3  
YELLOW 1  

And it's Yellow over Blue by a head, with not a single ARP in sight for the race prizes...

(BTW: Unlike grocery games, he actually won the cheese. So remember that next season.)

SCSD #1

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL
Janet $1,560 25 30 55
Bradley $3,673 1.00 N/A *$1,000!*
Alexis $5,708 85 20 OVER

Bonus...

Contestant Winnings Spin Result
Bradley $4,673 15 *$10,000!!*
*SHOWCASE*

Fourth IUFB: Set of 3 scooters (Pulse Kick-&-Go Accelerators; ARP: $540) (Manuela)

Dana LAWRENCE Jessica C. Jessica S. WINNER
$492 $500 $475 $600 LAWRENCE

Lawrence, who drew himself and Drew on his shirt, is playing Most Expen$ive.

Retro Art Deco diner booth (table + 2 benches) (Manuela) $1,795  
Triple-rope pendant chain (ColorCraft; 4.14ct rubies, 0.4ct diamonds, 14kt gold) (Amber) $4,500  
32" 5-burner stainless steel gas grill (Lanisha) $2,420 LOSS

Fifth IUFB: Sailboard (ARP: $1,599) (Amber)

Dana LAUREN Jessica C. Jessica S. WINNER
$1900 $1100 $2100 $1500 JESSICA S.

Jessica S., the last of our First Four, is playing Flip Flop for an outdoor fire pit seating group. (C.W. Lee; loveseat, 2 club seats and a fire pit centerpiece) (Lanisha)

ORIGINAL 87 76
GUESS 78 76
ARP 78 67
ARP: $7,867 LOSS

Sixth IUFB: Karaoke package (Party Tyme Karaoke; Karaoke unit, 2 microphones and selection of CDs; ARP: $680) (Lanisha)

Dana Lauren Jessica C. WANDA WINNER
$550 $700 $1 $425 DANA

Dana is playing Any Number for a 2011 Scion xB. (2.4-litre engine, 4spd automatic transmission) (Manuela)

Order of numbers chosen: 8, 6, 2, 9, 4, 1, 0, 3

Scion xB 1 8 6   4
Dinnerware (Amber) LOSS 9 2 3
T.D.P.B. . 1 0

Car ARP: $18,674
Pig ARP: $5.10

SCSD #2

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL
Lawrence $540 40 55 95
*SHOWCASE*
Jessica S. $1,599 35 80 OVER
Dana $1,603 75 45 OVER

SHOWCASE ROUND
Bradley, whose win would keep us from not knowing the full winnings today, has the honor...

SC1 - LAWRENCE AMAZING WAYS TO COOK (all Manuela)
Stainless steel kitchen (30" range, 25.4 cu ft. refrigerator, 24" dishwasher) + stainless steel cookware (10pcs)
Cooking lessons (3-hr lesson for two)
Tuscany (RT coach LA to Florence, 6n private 2-room villa, gourmet dinners out each night)
BID: $31,000
ARP: $20,108
DIFF: OVER
LOSS $540
SC2 - BRADLEY LACE UP YOUR TENNIES!
His-and-her tennis equipment (Rackets, bags and balls) (Amber)
New York (RT coach LA to NYC, 3n suite Lowes Regency Hotel New York, 2 tickets to U.S. Open Men's Singles Final tennis match) (Manuela)
Nissan Versa 1.6 sedan (1.6-litre engine, 4spd automatic transmission) (Lanisha)
BID: $1
ARP: $18,098
DIFF: $18,097
*WIN* $32,771

Before the Showcase round, Drew plugged the website, where there is a behind-the-scenes featurette on the making and set assembly of Rat Race.

(BTW: the iMac's ARP was $1,799. Thank you for winning the Showcase, Bradley.)

Show Results: 1 out of 6
Total Winnings: $43,781

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Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Otm Shank on June 16, 2010, 02:25:52 PM
Oh, lookie. The "Rat Race" thread started to bore me, so I lost track of the premiere date. When I saw the two small prizes with a seamed background, I was thinking, "Oh, 10 Chances."

Not bad execution. For someone who has trouble describing some of the pricing games, Drew seemed to give a thorough, Barkeresque description of the game. Of course, since he invented the game, it comes naturally.

Obviously the finish involves some electronic sensors, as the prizes lit up after the fifth mouse finished. The slo-mo into commercial was obligatory and looked pretty cool. (And correct me if I'm wrong, but the leftmost mouse has further to travel than ones to its right. Over time, there should be a statistical advantage shown to the mice today's contestant selected.)

Wonder how much was appropriated to create this game. Seems like it would be more than most of the existing pricing games if they were created today.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: tpirfan28 on June 16, 2010, 02:27:38 PM
Mighty impressed they could *premiere* Rat Race with Bag in the same lineup.  Shows that Rat Race might get some extra playing because of its timing.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Wayoshi on June 16, 2010, 02:29:17 PM
I know everyone's going to be talking about one thing, but I seriously want to point out another today.

There is NO EXCUSE for today's showcases. NONE. It is absolutely unacceptable IMO to have a car THAT STARTS AT BASE IN FOUR DIGITS. Today's Tuscany villa trip WAS MORE THAN THE CAR BY AT LEAST $3000.

I understand we are in budget mode for whatever illicit reasons, but do NOT LOOK CHEAP, MIKE. When you have offered 25k+ packages in Pushy and Rangey this season, have had 5-digit Squeezy so many times, and the showcases have breached 50k, 60k when they shouldn't have WEEKLY for two months straight. Today it was so obvious EVERYONE noticed, not just us who sniffed it at the first sight of the Hyundai Accent in Rolly in May.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: therealcu2010 on June 16, 2010, 02:38:36 PM
Rat Race was a lot better than I expected. There's still some issues, such as not being able to control the outcome, but overall, it was pretty well done. The only real gripes I have with it are that the set is a little too flashy and large, and it required some strange camera angles to shoot (I've never been a fan of that overhead jib shot), but otherwise, it was pretty well done.  It's not the best game to debut on the show, but it's far from the worst.

The slow-mo replay at the end of Rat Race was really cool...certainly miles better than the awkward audience shot they typically use to go to commercial these days. They should find ways to integrate shots like that into other games.

They really need to stop offering tiny prizes (such as the jewelry in ME) if it's gonna involve misuse of the video monitors like that. It looks really awkward, and it's distracting. Either find a regular, non-moving, non-video backdrop for them or don't offer them.

Is the car in SC2 the cheapest car they've offered in some time?

OVERALL: 3.5/5.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: sideshowPA on June 16, 2010, 02:43:25 PM
There is NO EXCUSE for today's showcases. NONE. It is absolutely unacceptable IMO to have a car THAT STARTS AT BASE IN FOUR DIGITS.

There's a very simple excuse: the show is over budget, and it is the end of the season.

I like Rat Race.  But the teacher I eat lunch with wondered aloud if this could lead to another new game: Cock Fight.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Roland on June 16, 2010, 02:44:58 PM
I thought "Rat Race" had a cool setup, and the mice were kind of cute. However, I fear the mechanical problems that this game may suffer. I know that was the reason why Hurdles and Finish Line were retired. I hope "Rat Race" doesn't suffer the same problems and suffer the same fate.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: goldroadfanatic on June 16, 2010, 02:51:45 PM
Unlike those games, the only mechanical parts are the rats themselves.  They're small and should be relatively easy to fix compared to say, the motor in Range Game or Squeeze Play.

Personally, I like Rat Race.  I thought the small prize podium was too busy and would have preferred three individual podiums or three different backgrounds for each prize, but use a single prop, like the SP podium for Bonus Game, Shell Game, and Switcheroo.  The Ten Chances reveal is pretty cool, but I wish that the prize package amount was revealed or they show the prices of each prize on the video monitor that houses the results.  I do love the huge racetrack and how large the set, as a whole, is.

One person bought this up in chat, but could each rat be programmed to finish at a specific time?  The difference between each rat could be one second and that could be a way to pre-determine what each rat's positioning would be.

I await whinbaby's showcase prize price analysis, but I think it's safe to say that the Versa in the showcase is the cheapest car the show has offered in a decade or so.  That particular model, including destination charges, tops out at $10,600 or so.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: tvnutboy on June 16, 2010, 02:53:40 PM
I thought "Rat Race" had a cool setup, and the mice were kind of cute. However, I fear the mechanical problems that this game may suffer. I know that was the reason why Hurdles and Finish Line were retired. I hope "Rat Race" doesn't suffer the same problems and suffer the same fate.

With today's technology, I'm sure "Rat Race" will last longer than Hurdles & Finish Line COMBINED. There's a Big difference between 1970s mechanics & the mechanics of today, and if there are any problems down the road, I'm sure they will be fixed with great ease.

That said, Rat Race looked like a fun game (Give or take a detail or two...which there already is a forum for)!
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: offerta on June 16, 2010, 03:03:37 PM
Rat Race is very fun and colorful a game!
I like the dollar's running track and the logo, the mouse is very nice.
Like all new stuff it will take a while to get used to this game and put the list together with the other.
The set is very large, I think the break between the last game and this was very long.

(http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/1970/presentazione1.jpg)
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: 444dd on June 16, 2010, 03:04:26 PM
I love rat race that's all I got to say
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: AntmanB on June 16, 2010, 03:13:44 PM
What was the 6th pricing Game and was it won? Beacuse my affilate skipped it for some reason.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Ccook on June 16, 2010, 03:18:23 PM
Rat Race didn't do anything for me. It just seemed so derivative. But it could grow on me in time.

If memory serves, the 6th game was Any Number. The contestant won the secondary prize.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: offerta on June 16, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
Rat Race is the first game with grocery item and small prizes.
In this episode there is another grocery or SP game?
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: AntmanB on June 16, 2010, 03:25:11 PM
It's in te Bag was the Grocery Game

Intersting how  a new Game, Rat Race, was accompanied with 3 Games from the 1st ever show.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: elskunkoman on June 16, 2010, 03:51:29 PM
Well not much to say about today's show only 1 pricing game won and i did not get a single SP prize right in rat race myself and those SP's were tough so i'm surprised bradley avoided a wipeout.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: JokerFan on June 16, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
I only got the last prize right in Rat Race, although that may be due to not knowing the general range of the prizes.

Also, where were the SPs and the GPs in this game?

Rat Race, was accompanied with 3 Games from the 1st ever show.
I don't recall Bonus Game being played today.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: AntmanB on June 16, 2010, 03:56:33 PM
2 Games, sorry.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: wrikent3500 on June 16, 2010, 04:05:28 PM
Rat Race looks cool...but,a tad bulky for the stage...too busy...only other issue is the pricing game component which is more LMAD than TPIR,i would have gone with a hl-lo price gauge like more or less to speed up the game a bit...but,the game seems to be a bit ten chances,etc with the three prizes play,but,it`s a a good game just the same with a minor tweak
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: FrenchFan on June 16, 2010, 04:12:07 PM
Rat Race is the first game with grocery item and small prizes.
In this episode there is another grocery or SP game?

Telephone Game was kinda one. Love Rat Race. Good job, Drew.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Off_trak on June 16, 2010, 04:18:29 PM
Rat Race was a fun game, indeed. About the only grievance I can see someone coming up with, is a comparison to greyhound racing and Barker's stand against that. Instead of those furry little rats, I would have designed it to incorporate the cartoon character used in the logo, driving around in 5 different coloured cars. (It is a car game afterall  ;-))
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: tpirman1982 on June 16, 2010, 04:34:31 PM
I agree, tvnutboy. Besides, I'm sure it'll get tested before each playing to make sure the mechanics of the game do not fail.

With today's technology, I'm sure "Rat Race" will last longer than Hurdles & Finish Line COMBINED. There's a Big difference between 1970s mechanics & the mechanics of today, and if there are any problems down the road, I'm sure they will be fixed with great ease.

That said, Rat Race looked like a fun game (Give or take a detail or two...which there already is a forum for)!
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: icazzy on June 16, 2010, 04:43:16 PM
Other than Rat Race, the show was just meh.  Only other thing worth noting IMO is the Versa offered in the showcase.  I bet it doesn't top $12,000.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Wayoshi on June 16, 2010, 04:50:28 PM
There's a very simple excuse: the show is over budget, and it is the end of the season.
There is a better way to implement it. The show's over-luxurious ways are now being paid off with this nonsense.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Chief-O on June 16, 2010, 04:52:45 PM
Rat Race was quite cool. The prop, while large and elaborate, was awesome. The game itself was nice and easy to grasp---yes, I suppose it may have derived from Hurdles, but we all know how many PG's have been influenced from others. It will certainly have a watch-along factor, much like Super Ball, Plinko, Let 'em Roll, etc.

Otherwise, the rest of the show was average. And let us---especially the CSS players---remember that the Versa is cheaper than cheap.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: offerta on June 16, 2010, 05:05:47 PM
Rat Race screen caps

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Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: offerta on June 16, 2010, 05:19:24 PM
Tomorrow I think that one game is pick-a-pair... :-D
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: heelsrule1988 on June 16, 2010, 05:30:47 PM
I already knew to expect a pretty fun game after I heard the rules of Rat Race, but holy cow... I was not expecting such an awesome set. I have never seen a better-designed pricing game in TPIR history. Absolutely eye-popping! As far as the actual gameplay, though... the one change I'd suggest is that the speed of the race be decreased. It goes by way too fast.

BEST CONTESTANT OF THE DAY: Bradley
SHOW GRADE: 3

What was the 6th pricing Game and was it won? Beacuse my affilate skipped it for some reason.
It was Any Number, and the secondary prize (I forget what it was) was won.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Casey on June 16, 2010, 05:46:26 PM
There is a better way to implement it. The show's over-luxurious ways are now being paid off with this nonsense.
If someone told me I could win a car, even a $10,000 one, I'd be pretty darn happy.   I'd hardly call it nonsense.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: ElectricPeterTork on June 16, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
Rat Race was... interesting.

I shall reserve judgment until after a few more playings, but this one was interesting.

The one thing I'd like to see implemented is $500 per rat won, kind of like Half Off, so that way a contestant never walks away empty handed.

Also, today was the day of new/redesigned games. Most Expensive, Any Number, and Rat Race.

The second prize in Any Number was dinnerware, heelsrule88.

And, yes, a cheap car is still a car. Plus, with gas prices, a Versa is probably a better win than a Viper. Better as far as taxes go, too.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: GameShowKid on June 16, 2010, 05:59:56 PM
I liked Rat Race as well, and it did make me think of Hurdles (and Ten Chances, with the prize presentation). It's a neat combination of low tech (the actual rats, the Shell Game-like price reveals), and high tech (the race outcome board, at least). I also was reminded of a type of game that used to be played on Let's Make A Deal in the 70s, where someone would have to price something within maybe $2, then $10, then $20, or perhaps in reverse. Anyone else remember that?


Bradley made TPIR history. Nice.


So close on Any Number, also. At least she didn't win the money in the piggy bank.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: trytobecharming on June 16, 2010, 06:10:10 PM
It's in te Bag was the Grocery Game

Intersting how  a new Game, Rat Race, was accompanied with 3 Games from the 1st ever show.

Two games from the first show: Any NUmber and Double Prices.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: trytobecharming on June 16, 2010, 06:13:45 PM
The Rat Race player won the Showcase today. His total between the IUFB, $11K on the wheel, and the Showcase was $2202 less than what he won in Rat Race. The cheese and Blu Ray player were $402.89($403 rounded up), do you think the computer won in Rat Race was $1799 or $2202. This would determine whether the contestant gets the items priced correctly to win the rats or not. WOuld seem silly to give the player the grocery item as a prize, as no other games do that(outside of the TPIR computer game from 2009, which awards grocery items in some games)
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Wayoshi on June 16, 2010, 06:17:35 PM
-99 makes more sense for sure. I'm glad we can now confirm you don't win the products in Ratty then.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: brosa0 on June 16, 2010, 06:37:15 PM
I asked this in chat but didn't really get an answer.

When the new Most Expensive set debuted earlier in the year, all five of the backdrops were mainly blue with the yellow and orange outline.   However, today the 3 backgrounds to the prizes were mainly yellow with blue and orange trim (i.e. the blue and yellow were inverted).    I haven't seen much of the show in the past two months so can someone please tell me how long that has been changed?

Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: leafsfan17 on June 16, 2010, 06:55:50 PM
Now that I've seen Rat Race, I have to say that I like the game.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: brosa0 on June 16, 2010, 07:00:19 PM
It also helped that the contestant was switched on and got right into the game too.    In fact the first three that got up on stage were all pretty good.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: GoldenBulldog on June 16, 2010, 07:38:48 PM
I thought today's show was kinda "meh" with the obvious exception of Rat Race.  It might've been bulky, but whoever created the props deserves a lot of the props for clarity and good stuff like that.  As for the Showcases, yeah...a lot of us in chat had no chance whatsoever in that 2nd Showcase.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 16, 2010, 08:15:31 PM
Much to my surprise, I kinda like Rat Race.  It still bothers me that the rats can get stuck or run out of energy and that Mike and Fingers have no control over the outcome, but it could be really awesome with a few tweaks.

Drew's Showcase price reveal was the worst one he's done in a long time.

Instead of those furry little rats, I would have designed it to incorporate the cartoon character used in the logo, driving around in 5 different coloured cars. (It is a car game afterall  ;-))

You know, that's a damn good idea.

Tomorrow I think that one game is pick-a-pair... :-D

Um...okay.  That was random.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: woohookitty on June 16, 2010, 08:16:19 PM
I know everyone's going to be talking about one thing, but I seriously want to point out another today.

There is NO EXCUSE for today's showcases. NONE. It is absolutely unacceptable IMO to have a car THAT STARTS AT BASE IN FOUR DIGITS. Today's Tuscany villa trip WAS MORE THAN THE CAR BY AT LEAST $3000.

I understand we are in budget mode for whatever illicit reasons, but do NOT LOOK CHEAP, MIKE. When you have offered 25k+ packages in Pushy and Rangey this season, have had 5-digit Squeezy so many times, and the showcases have breached 50k, 60k when they shouldn't have WEEKLY for two months straight. Today it was so obvious EVERYONE noticed, not just us who sniffed it at the first sight of the Hyundai Accent in Rolly in May.

Have you seen LMAD lately? :) They've been offering those all season. People offended by the budget issues amuse me. What can they do? Seriously. What can they do? As I said, watch LMAD once. Much cheaper than Price. 90% of the cars they offer are subcompact and/or manual transmission.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: vadernader on June 16, 2010, 08:20:44 PM
People offended by the budget issues amuse me. What can they do? Seriously. What can they do? As I said, watch LMAD once. Much cheaper than Price. 90% of the cars they offer are subcompact and/or manual transmission.
Well, People who are totally oblivious amuse me. The thing is....LMAD's budget is WAYYYY smaller and they have those types of cars ALL THE TIME....but for a show like price to make us being used to having ocassional Porsches and other things...and even go as low as maybe a $17,000 car, but have a nice 20k-25k average per car in a showcase to all of a sudden bring out a car that even with every option be less than $11,000....there is just no reason at all.....They might as well not even give it away and just replace it with 2 trips...i mean come on....a $9,000 car in a show thats used to haveing $20,000 cars....comeon now...
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 16, 2010, 08:21:22 PM
Have you seen LMAD lately? :) They've been offering those all season. People offended by the budget issues amuse me. What can they do? Seriously. What can they do?

Utilizing it the way they did for the first 36 seasons would be a good start.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 16, 2010, 09:10:42 PM
Unlike those games, the only mechanical parts are the rats themselves.  They're small and should be relatively easy to fix compared to say, the motor in Range Game or Squeeze Play.

Plus, depending on how much it costs to build the rats themselves, I imagine they'd probably have a few spares laying around.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: JayC on June 16, 2010, 09:12:15 PM
Rat Race is the first game with grocery item and small prizes.  In this episode there is another grocery or SP game?
Games that use just 1 grocery item (like Golden Road) or just 1 small prize (like Make Your Move) are not officially considered grocery or small prize games.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Kev347 on June 16, 2010, 09:16:18 PM
Rat Race? Love it. The prop is designed well, the gameplay flows smoothly (the race is not too long), it has that nice Walk of Fame feel as the prices increase from the grocery product to the medium prize to the somewhat bigger prize. It also has a distinctive reveal that is similar to 10 Chances which I like, but you'll be able to tell the difference between the games because Rat Race doesn't have any prizes that are obviously under $100. And I feel somewhat confident in the way it was constructed (for those who don't feel so confident, go to priceisright.com and you'll get to see some of the preliminary work they did to make the game. Watching the video made me feel better.) The only flaws are that I feel that starting possibly with its next playing, it will become one of those games where Greco makes the pricing portion impossible and tries to get the contestant to earn 0 or 1 rat every playing. But we'll see how it goes. Even if you price everything perfectly, you still have only a 60% chance of winning the car, so hopefully they will know to at least be reasonable about setting up the pricing portion.

Nissan Versas on Price Is Right? Don't love them so much. Shouldn't be there at all. Like Vader said, I would rather see trips (or furniture!) in the showcase rather than a car that cheap - they're OK on LMAD where people know the budget is lower but on Price where they've been offering 20k cars all season with the occasional Porsche, it just feels really really cheap. I know Mike produces both shows, and I would hope he recognizes this difference between them, and it's possible that he does and just forsaking it for now, but honestly having the Versa on today was just ridiculous. What was also ridiculous was having a pendant barely larger than my hand be $4500 and therefore more expensive than a grill and dinette. I know they need to do it, but that's just low - they better improve their budget management skills next season. Still, Rat Race carried the show overall and it was decent (great contestant in that game too for a debut!).

Timings:
Double Prices (3) - 2:10
It's In The Bag (6.5) - 5:20
Rat Race (6) - 6:25 (I'm ASSUMING, after seeing its first playing, that its timing is 6. This is gonna be a longer game, but not too long hopefully. It will be like a 10 Chances or a Temptation in the game rotation with this timing)
Most Expensive (3.5) - 3:08
Flip Flop (3.5) - 2:54
Any Number (5) - 4:58
Total time (27.5): 24:55
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 16, 2010, 09:17:18 PM
Obviously the finish involves some electronic sensors, as the prizes lit up after the fifth mouse finished. The slo-mo into commercial was obligatory and looked pretty cool. (And correct me if I'm wrong, but the leftmost mouse has further to travel than ones to its right. Over time, there should be a statistical advantage shown to the mice today's contestant selected.)

Incorrect.  The reason the racetrack curves twice is to make sure every rat travels the same distance.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: BigJon on June 16, 2010, 10:58:37 PM
Since I already have some work ahead of me, I think that for each track, i would have adjust the light color of the track to match the color of the rat on the track....
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Flerbert419 on June 16, 2010, 11:54:58 PM
Plus, depending on how much it costs to build the rats themselves, I imagine they'd probably have a few spares laying around.

On the video on PIR.com, Dave Wolin has confirmed that they already have 28 rats tested and ready to go.

That's enough to run five races at once!
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 17, 2010, 12:26:09 AM
One more thing...he picked the orange rat and the blue rat.  I wholeheartedly approve of this.  :D
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: whinbaby on June 17, 2010, 12:40:59 AM
The 7,299th episode (187th for Season 38)

Rat Poison Race
You want to know my outcome?

Cheese Slices:
- Guess: $2.99 ($0.10 over)
- Rat picked: Orange

Toaster:
- Guess: $40 ($5 over)
- Rat picked: Pink

Blu-Ray Player:
- Guess: $300 ($100 under)
- Rat picked: Green

Prizes won: Watches

Showcase #1
Kitchen Appliances - $3,647
Cookware - $400
Private Cooking Lessons - $1,000
Trip to Florence - $15,061

Showcase #2
Tennis Equipment - $580
Trip to New York - $4,688
Nissan Versa - $12,830

Your Modeling Scorecard for June 16, 2010
Lanisha Cole
Total:  9/$39,544 (6/$21,089, 3/$18,455)
Cars:  1/$12,830 (1/$12,830, 0/$0)
Trips:  0/$0 (0/$0, 0/$0)

Manuela Arbelaez
Total:  14/$78,582 (5/$13,138, 9/$65,444)
Cars:  1/$18,674 (0/$0, 1/$18,674)
Trips:  2/$19,749 (1/$4,688, 1/$15,061)

Amber Lancaster
Total:  6/$28,702 (4/$4,662, 2/$24,040)
Cars:  1/$19,540 (0/$0, 1/$19,540)
Trips:  0/$0 (0/$0, 0/$0)

And for the season
Lanisha Cole (122 shows)
Total:  1,095/$5,666,006 (663/$2,290,113, 432/$3,375,893)
Cars:  103/$2,361,465 (36/$820,350, 67/$1,541,115)
Trips:  106/$831,345 (55/$435,083, 51/$396,262)

Manuela Arbelaez (113 shows)
Total:  955/$5,663,467 (595/$2,509,157, 360/$3,154,310)
Cars:  102/$2,277,921 (47/$1,092,213, 55/$1,185,708)
Trips:  116/$1,009,379 (65/$529,152, 51/$480,227)

Amber Lancaster (75 shows)
Total:  618/$3,852,499 (395/$1,728,936, 223/$2,123,563)
Cars:  73/$1,720,597 (27/$632,880, 46/$1,087,717)
Trips:  70/$508,274 (35/$245,388, 35/$262,886)
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: FrenchFan on June 17, 2010, 05:45:13 AM
Incorrect.  The reason the racetrack curves twice is to make sure every rat travels the same distance.

Exactly right.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: trytobecharming on June 17, 2010, 07:30:25 AM
Have you seen LMAD lately? :) They've been offering those all season. People offended by the budget issues amuse me. What can they do? Seriously. What can they do? As I said, watch LMAD once. Much cheaper than Price. 90% of the cars they offer are subcompact and/or manual transmission.

The cars in the big deal are stripped down, but they're worth as much as $20K from time to time. The show did offer more cars and higher end cars in the early episodes this season(and a bit more cash in the Big Deal), but the budget later got slashed.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 17, 2010, 08:51:05 AM
Yowzer! What cheap, cheap Showcases — particularly when the combined value of today's packages (around $35,000-$36,000) is less than several of the more opulent Showcases this season.

First of all, whinbaby's totals confirms (hopefully) that the Nissan Versa offered in the Showcase was not a stripped down base model retailing for under $10,000, but a nicely-equipped version that went for $12,830. The end price is what I look at, not the beginning.

And for what it's worth, when is our next Cadillac DTS going to be offered? That's the luxury car that's been MIA (missing in action) for way too long. And load it to the hilt while you're at it.

To those who brought up Let's Make a Deal, I'd venture to guess that if LMAD went prime time, we'd see Cadillacs and Porsches as deals. Much akin to the original 1970s ABC version when it ran concurrently with a higher-budget primetime version. Anyone out there who remembers the original ABC version can correct me, but wasn't the "big deal" cars on the daytimer subcompact econo-models like the Chevrolet Vega and AMC Gremlin, while we got much better cars — ergo, the Cadillac Eldorado and Chevrolet Corvette — on the nighttime show?

As for "Rat Race," I did catch a clip, and it appears to be a solid game. Yeah, there's the element of luck (you can still come away with just the <$1000 prize, even with three rats), but pricing groceries and items is at the heart of it all. Two questions on this, and I apologize if it's been answered already: 1. Am I correct in that this the first game to use pricing questions involving both groceries and small prizes? 2. How are the speeds of the rats controlled? Do they have motors that are pre-set, or do they just run at random and may the best rat win? (In other words, is anyone in control of the outcome of the race portion of the game?)

Oh, and I bet I'm correct in assuming that if the contestant misses all three pricing questions, the game automatically ends, the race is cancelled and the rats get eaten by the cats!  ;)

Brian
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 17, 2010, 08:53:40 AM
Yowzer! What cheap, cheap Showcases — particularly when the combined value of today's packages (around $35,000-$36,000) is less than several of the more opulent Showcases this season.

First of all, whinbaby's totals confirms (hopefully) that the Nissan Versa offered in the Showcase was not a stripped down base model retailing for under $10,000, but a nicely-equipped version that went for $12,830. The end price is what I look at, not the beginning.

And for what it's worth, when is our next Cadillac DTS going to be offered? That's the luxury car that's been MIA (missing in action) for way too long. And load it to the hilt while you're at it.

To those who brought up Let's Make a Deal, I'd venture to guess that if LMAD went prime time, we'd see Cadillacs and Porsches as deals. Much akin to the original 1970s ABC version when it ran concurrently with a higher-budget primetime version. Anyone out there who remembers the original ABC version can correct me, but wasn't the "big deal" cars on the daytimer subcompact econo-models like the Chevrolet Vega and AMC Gremlin, while we got much better cars — ergo, the Cadillac Eldorado and Chevrolet Corvette — on the nighttime show?

As for "Rat Race," I did catch a clip, and it appears to be a solid game. Yeah, there's the element of luck (you can still come away with just the <$1000 prize, even with three rats), but pricing groceries and items is at the heart of it all. Two questions on this, and I apologize if it's been answered already: 1. Am I correct in that this the first game to use pricing questions involving both groceries and small prizes? 2. How are the speeds of the rats controlled? Do they have motors that are pre-set, or do they just run at random and may the best rat win? (In other words, is anyone in control of the outcome of the race portion of the game?)

Oh, and I bet I'm correct in assuming that if the contestant misses all three pricing questions, the game automatically ends, the race is cancelled and the rats get eaten by the cats!  ;)

Brian
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: tvnutboy on June 17, 2010, 09:21:02 AM

The one thing I'd like to see implemented is $500 per rat won, kind of like Half Off, so that way a contestant never walks away empty handed.


Isn't that what the two small prizes after the grocery item is for? Granted, they're indeed Small Prizes, but they should still count as Consolations, right?
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 17, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
I don't see the reason for any consolations.  If they win all three rats, they're (99.99%*) guaranteed to win something, and if they don't...well, there are a whole lot of games that don't give you anything if you don't guess everything correctly.

* Yes, I did the math.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: FrenchFan on June 17, 2010, 10:16:40 AM
Isn't that what the two small prizes after the grocery item is for? Granted, they're indeed Small Prizes, but they should still count as Consolations, right?

Bradley won the blu-ray player AND the cheese.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: ThatDonGuy on June 17, 2010, 10:17:05 AM
While all five lanes are the same length, I am not convinced that the innermost and outermost lanes don't have some advantage - a wide curve and a narrow curve might affect the mice less than two "medium" curves.  (Notice the inner and outer mice finished in the top two, and the middle one finished last.)

I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about how the race itself works.  I assume it's strictly gravity (it's hard to tell, but I'm fairly certain the track slopes downward from the start to the finish), and the mice probably have a number of balls underneath them (okay, who just made the "they must be male mice, then" comment?) so they can slide down the track without much chance of stopping.  (If you use wheels instead of balls, you run a larger risk of getting stuck against a wall on a shallow turn.)

(If not all of the mice make it, the solution is simple - among the non-finishing mice, assume the contestant's mice would have crossed before the others.)

Somebody posted about being able to control when the mice cross - it's possible, but the problem is, it makes it look like the game is rigged.  You might as well have the race on videotape and show it on a monitor if you're going to predetermine the result.

-- Don
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Franc on June 17, 2010, 10:49:18 AM
I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about how the race itself works.

Dude, really? Have you been on this forum in the past couple of days? Just go to Talk Is Right, and read through the 10 pages of the poll. Just that will get you started!
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 17, 2010, 11:00:48 AM
Please, no need for anyone to get wound up.  We're not toy rats, you know.  :)
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: hirogen73 on June 17, 2010, 11:40:15 AM
You know.  I’ve been lurking at this site for a while.  I used to love The Price is Right, especially in its hey day which, for me, was the days of Bob Barker, Rod Roddy, Janice, Diane, Holly and Kathleen.  I still enjoy it but am not quite as devoted as I once was. 

But anyway.  I just want to comment on these complaints about the budget and the cheaper car in the showcase.  You do realize that daytime television is dying, right?  Soap operas that dominated the airwaves for 40 or 50 years are dropping like flies.  I’m old enough to remember when you could spend your entire morning watching game shows:  $25,000 Pyramid, Press Your Luck, Price is Right and Family Feud, in that order.  Those were glory days.  But those days are gone.  They aren’t ever coming back.  The show has stricter financial limitations now.  It can’t use the “unwritten rules” anymore that lead to the big pay days.  You remember those:  The price of the car always ended in zero…Except for Lucky Seven when it always ended in a five.

The complaints about the occasional cheap car.  And then the complaints about the “evil setups”.  Which one would you rather have?  Cheaper cars that are easier to win or $25,000+ cars that are harder to win.  Because expensive cars being won 75% of the time isn’t going to happen anymore.  Maybe you would prefer fewer “evil setups” and have only one car pricing game in the entire show, instead of two?  You act like the producers enjoy their “evil setups”.  I can’t imagine they do.  I would think planning a show where everybody won a butt load of money would be a lot more fun than trying to figure out how to trick somebody to incorrectly pick “89” as the last two digits in “squeezy” or “pushy” or “freezey” or “floppy”.  They’ve been hired to make a show and bring it in under a certain amount of money.  If they don’t pull it off, they’ll be replaced by people who will do it. 

About the occasional cheap car.  (And, I’m sorry, but if I won a freakin’ CAR on a game show, I wouldn’t be sitting there going, “Ewwwww…That free car you’re about to give me is only worth $11000, I’m going to have to pass”.)  I read people here saying something like, “I’d rather see trips in the showcase than a cheap car”.  HA!  Then I know everybody would be going, “OMG, another trip showcase…Fingers, I’m so sick of them!” 

Give 100 people a choice between winning a new car or a trip to Dubai and the Arctic Circle, what are most people going to pick?  Even if they just bought a new car the day before, which is going to be easier to sell?  I wonder what the statistics are on winners refusing a car versus a winner refusing a 7-day trip to Canada? 

I’m rambling now so I’ll get off the soapbox.  It just sometimes irritates that people have such little patience with this show (and then continue to watch it!).  It’s a different world.  They’re not made of money anymore.  It’s called a budget.  We should be grateful that the show is still on the air where everything else on daytime is dying.  I still enjoy the show…It’s fun!  But then again, I’m not so busy keeping track of showcase values and car prices to lose sight of that.

Thanks for listening.  And for God’s sakes, will somebody please ask Drew Carey to stop calling the mountain climber “Yodely Guy”???  :)
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 17, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
I don't see the reason for any consolations.  If they win all three rats, they're (99.99%*) guaranteed to win something, and if they don't...well, there are a whole lot of games that don't give you anything if you don't guess everything correctly.

I presume that the small prizes are won if the corresponding question is answered correctly. If this is indeed correct, then a future "Rat Race" contestant could potentially walk away with up to five prizes — the two small prizes, the $400-$1,000 item, the four-digit prize and the car. (Not sure about the grocery item, unless it were a non-food, non-medical product such as space bags.) Am I correct here?

Then that brings up the question: Does the contestant have a chance to win a small prize in every "small prize" game, or are there some instances where they're used strictly for show — that is, for use in the pricing questions? For instance, in 1/2-Off, in addition to the $500 bonus, does the contestant win any small prizes where the correct question is given?

Brian
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 17, 2010, 12:20:37 PM
Oh, wow...I'm gonna have to take this post apart.

But anyway.  I just want to comment on these complaints about the budget and the cheaper car in the showcase.  You do realize that daytime television is dying, right?  Soap operas that dominated the airwaves for 40 or 50 years are dropping like flies.  I’m old enough to remember when you could spend your entire morning watching game shows:  $25,000 Pyramid, Press Your Luck, Price is Right and Family Feud, in that order.  Those were glory days.  But those days are gone.  They aren’t ever coming back.  The show has stricter financial limitations now.  It can’t use the “unwritten rules” anymore that lead to the big pay days.  You remember those:  The price of the car always ended in zero…Except for Lucky Seven when it always ended in a five.

The show does not have a significantly smaller prize budget.  There just isn't anyone there now who understands how to control it, and that's left them massively overbudget with no way to fix it short of causing every game possible to be lost.  It's their own fault -- not the economy's.

They’ve been hired to make a show and bring it in under a certain amount of money.

And they spent most of the season failing, which is why everything right now is impossible.

If they don’t pull it off, they’ll be replaced by people who will do it.

Ironically, the current incompetent people were given their jobs after the person who did understand how to control the budget was fired.

About the occasional cheap car.  (And, I’m sorry, but if I won a freakin’ CAR on a game show, I wouldn’t be sitting there going, “Ewwwww…That free car you’re about to give me is only worth $11000, I’m going to have to pass”.)

You can't produce a game show based entirely on how people in the studio will react.  You've also got several million people watching from their living rooms...and to those people, offering a $12,000 car in 2010 makes you look cheap.

Give 100 people a choice between winning a new car or a trip to Dubai and the Arctic Circle, what are most people going to pick?  Even if they just bought a new car the day before, which is going to be easier to sell?

The car -- because you can't give trips to someone else.

I’m rambling now so I’ll get off the soapbox.  It just sometimes irritates that people have such little patience with this show (and then continue to watch it!).  It’s a different world.  They’re not made of money anymore.  It’s called a budget.  We should be grateful that the show is still on the air where everything else on daytime is dying.  I still enjoy the show…It’s fun!  But then again, I’m not so busy keeping track of showcase values and car prices to lose sight of that.

On the contrary -- you aren't focused enough on it to understand why it's happening.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: hirogen73 on June 17, 2010, 01:33:23 PM

You can't produce a game show based entirely on how people in the studio will react.  You've also got several million people watching from their living rooms...and to those people, offering a $12,000 car in 2010 makes you look cheap.

But see I’d rather have a cheaper car on one show if it meant them saving money to give away something really extravagant on another show.  Doesn’t it make for a more exciting show when they can give away the $40,000 cars and $60,000 showcases sometimes instead of your same old $17,000 to $24,000 cars day in and day out. 

And since I don’t even know the price of the car in the showcase yesterday (since it was mixed in with other prizes), I have to go by other people’s word that it was a $10,000 piece of chrome.  But I did catch the $13,000 car in Let ‘Em Roll, and yeah, I noticed it was cheaper than your usual TPIR car.  But its not like they are doing this all the time.  We are talking two cars in a month…Out of some probably 70 cars that they offered during that same time frame.  I'm not calling battlestations just for that.

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Ironically, the current incompetent people were given their jobs after the person who did understand how to control the budget was fired.


How did this other person, who was so adept at his job that they fired him, do things that was so different? 

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On the contrary -- you aren't focused enough on it to understand why it's happening.
You’re right.  I’m not.  I watch it because, I hope like most people, it’s fun and a nice break for the day.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on June 17, 2010, 01:35:56 PM
Then that brings up the question: Does the contestant have a chance to win a small prize in every "small prize" game, or are there some instances where they're used strictly for show — that is, for use in the pricing questions? For instance, in 1/2-Off, in addition to the $500 bonus, does the contestant win any small prizes where the correct question is given?

Allow me to refer you to the FAQ:

Has the show ever offered anything that couldn't be won?

Yes. The first three items in the correct trading sequence in Trader Bob could not be won, the setups of the final two playings of On the Spot resulted in some of the small prizes being unattainable, and the design of the Rat Race track makes it possible for the entire game to become unwinnable.

...wow, Steve.  You went there in the FAQ, too?  Despite the fact that it actually happening is about in-line with the odds of Three Strikes being made unwinnable by Drew dropping a number chip on the ground and nobody noticing?
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: goldroadfanatic on June 17, 2010, 01:42:42 PM
I thought of something that could save time in Rat Race and favor the contestant.  It would be to give the contestant one free rat, eliminate the grocery item from the pricing portion, and have the contestant just guess the price of the prize with the $10 range and the one with a $100 range.  That way, the contestant gets at least one shot at the car and you don't have the awkwardness of winning a grocery item.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 17, 2010, 02:07:37 PM
Has the show ever offered anything that couldn't be won?

Yes. The first three items in the correct trading sequence in Trader Bob could not be won, the setups of the final two playings of On the Spot resulted in some of the small prizes being unattainable, and the design of the Rat Race track makes it possible for the entire game to become unwinnable.

First, no need to increase the boldprint. It was an honest question. Now, the FAQ — nowhere did I see an indication regarding whether a prize connected to a question could or could not be won. I had just seen the game one time (via a clip seen later on the 'net), and it did not appear clear as to whether the prize was won or lost.

As for the FAQ statement, "Rat Race is the only game which can, through no fault of the contestant, become impossible to win." I presume this means, the contestant wins one or two rats (and presumably, whatever prizes are connected to them) and it/they come in (either) fourth and/or fifth.

As far as goldroadfanatic's statement about winning a grocery item — how about winning the cash equivalent, multiplied by 100, of said item? Ergo, if the grocery item is $2.99, he/she wins $299. Just a thought.

Brian
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: ThatDonGuy on June 17, 2010, 02:49:40 PM
Dude, really? Have you been on this forum in the past couple of days? Just go to Talk Is Right, and read through the 10 pages of the poll. Just that will get you started!
My bad - I was referring to just in this thread.  I usually don't go to the other sections, and missed that entire thread on the game.

-- Don
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: ThatDonGuy on June 17, 2010, 02:54:18 PM
Why is there no "multi-quote" capability on this forum (so I don't have to make consecutive posts)?

As for the FAQ statement, "Rat Race is the only game which can, through no fault of the contestant, become impossible to win." I presume this means, the contestant wins one or two rats (and presumably, whatever prizes are connected to them) and it/they come in (either) fourth and/or fifth.
By that logic, Master Key can be unwinnable by the contestant winning only one key and it is the one that opens none of the locks.  The contestant chooses the rats, and if they happen to break down, well, the contestant should have chosen different rats - it's that simple.

Oh, and pardon me for asking, especially if it has been asked before...but what constitutes a win in Rat Race?  Just the car, or do you have to win all three prizes?
Never mind - FAQ #16 answered this one

-- Don
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: JokerFan on June 17, 2010, 03:39:03 PM
Why is there no "multi-quote" capability on this forum (so I don't have to make consecutive posts)?
One thing you can do is, when making your post, click the "Insert Quote" button find at the top right of each post.  If you are quoting for two sources in radically different places (Ex: the 2nd post and the last post), click "Quote" for the 2nd post and then click "Insert Quote" for the last post--since the 2nd post will probably not be shown in the "Topic Summary" section when you make a post.
Also, you can open up a 2nd window and click "Quote" for all your quotes, then copy and paste them into one of the windows.
A third thing you can do is click post.  Find the next post you want to quote, click "Quote" and type a response, then copy the quote, click the "Modify" button on your post (assuming it's within 10 minutes) and paste the quote/response.
Sorry if any of these 3 suggestions are confusing to you.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Macsen on June 17, 2010, 03:46:53 PM
In case it hasn't been covered before, since I just hit reply without reading the thread: Yes, you do win the guessing items you get within the margin in Rat Race.

Even the cheese.

And if Bradley hadn't of won the Showcase, we wouldnt've known that definitively until some time next season, unless Bradley joined and became an Alumni member in which case we could've asked him.

Personally, I loved the game. I wasn't around to see the premiere of Gas Money, and this was a lot of fun. Hopefully it will be played for more substantial cars next season, since obviously they were crippled this year by Budget Mode. I doubt we'll see this set-up more often than once a month, but there is hope I'm wrong. :biggrin:

Anyway, my recap (http://www.floridafreeways.org/recap-100616.html).
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Grand_game2004 on June 17, 2010, 03:58:38 PM
so, is this the last show for the season?
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: jmorgan on June 17, 2010, 04:02:53 PM
No, they had one new show today, and then they have one on June 25th, and one more on July 2nd.  Then, that's it.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Cartboy on June 17, 2010, 04:53:53 PM
It's In The Bag:  Ouch! :-(
Rat Race:  What a neat game!  That photo finish between the blue rat & the yellow rat sure made it exciting.  I like how they showed a slo-mo replay before going to the break.  I hope I see someone win all 3 prizes at least once.
SCSD#1:  So close to $25,000, but still great! :-)
Any Number:  Tough loss, but at least Dana didn't win the piggy bank.

An okay show overall, IMHO.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: voguevixen on June 17, 2010, 05:06:17 PM
In case it hasn't been covered before, since I just hit reply without reading the thread: Yes, you do win the guessing items you get within the margin in Rat Race.

Even the cheese.

I just want to say Bradley was one of my favorite contestants this season.  (Was anyone else getting an Eric Foreman vibe from "That 70's Show"?)  He had a lot of charisma in my opinion ("I've never been so glad to get a rat!") and I applaud his boldness during the showcases.  That having been said I wish Drew would've presented him with the cheese at the end of the race.  I just think that would've been really comical.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: REDHEADVICKI on June 17, 2010, 05:30:22 PM
just got caught up watching this episode from yesterday on my dvr.

good show, I like the way Rat Race looked too. Drew did a good job explaining the game.

Do you think that Rat Race will replace any of the current car games that are played??
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 17, 2010, 06:39:14 PM
But see I’d rather have a cheaper car on one show if it meant them saving money to give away something really extravagant on another show.  Doesn’t it make for a more exciting show when they can give away the $40,000 cars and $60,000 showcases sometimes instead of your same old $17,000 to $24,000 cars day in and day out.

$40,000 cars appeared far more frequently before the current regime took over, so I'm not really sure I see your point here.

How did this other person, who was so adept at his job that they fired him, do things that was so different?

This "other person," who shall henceforth be referred to as "Roger Dobkowitz," knew to keep a tighter -- but not this tight -- hold on the budget earlier in the season so he wouldn't have to scramble to keep it from blowing up in the final few weeks.  He also knew how to set games up for losses without making it so blatantly obvious that they weren't supposed to be won.

And he wasn't fired because of the budget.  He was fired because Drew didn't like being on a leash.

You’re right.  I’m not.  I watch it because, I hope like most people, it’s fun and a nice break for the day.

Then it may be wise not to try to overanalyze something you yourself have just admitted you haven't tried to understand.

...wow, Steve.  You went there in the FAQ, too?  Despite the fact that it actually happening is about in-line with the odds of Three Strikes being made unwinnable by Drew dropping a number chip on the ground and nobody noticing?

Oh, come off it, Army.  It's in the FAQ because it's true.

As for the FAQ statement, "Rat Race is the only game which can, through no fault of the contestant, become impossible to win." I presume this means, the contestant wins one or two rats (and presumably, whatever prizes are connected to them) and it/they come in (either) fourth and/or fifth.

No.  It means that it's possible for none of the rats to finish the race.

By that logic, Master Key can be unwinnable by the contestant winning only one key and it is the one that opens none of the locks.  The contestant chooses the rats, and if they happen to break down, well, the contestant should have chosen different rats - it's that simple.

That's a different set of circumstances.  In the Master Key scenario you've described, the contestant lost because he didn't pick the right keys.  In Rat Race, it is possible for there to not be a right answer.

No, they had one new show today, and then they have one on June 25th, and one more on July 2nd.  Then, that's it.

It's actually not -- there's also the May 20 show, which is airing on August 31, and the Back to School show, which will be running sometime in late August or September.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Ketsuban on June 17, 2010, 08:18:37 PM
And [Dob] wasn't fired because of the budget.  He was fired because Drew didn't like being on a leash.

Obvious solution: fire Drew, (re)hire Dob and a competent host.

Such as Regis Philbin or Bob Barker.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: hirogen73 on June 17, 2010, 08:24:48 PM
$40,000 cars appeared far more frequently before the current regime took over, so I'm not really sure I see your point here.

Then it may be wise not to try to overanalyze something you yourself have just admitted you haven't tried to understand.


Two things:  The show, and daytime in general, are making as much money and having as high as ratings as they've seen in years past?  If you can tell me yes, I'd be really surprised.

And secondly...I'm the one over-analyzing??  I'm not the one doing the math to figure out exactly how much the car was in a showcase full of other prizes!  I'm not the one keeping track of the last time they played for the $23,291 jeep, or whatever it was.  I'm the one suggesting maybe all this over-analyzing is not worth it...Especially when it just leads to such personal distress.  
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 17, 2010, 08:45:05 PM
Two things:  The show, and daytime in general, are making as much money and having as high as ratings as they've seen in years past?  If you can tell me yes, I'd be really surprised.

I can't, but that isn't relevant.  I've already told you that the prize budget is not significantly smaller than it was when Roger was in charge.

And secondly...I'm the one over-analyzing??  I'm not the one doing the math to figure out exactly how much the car was in a showcase full of other prizes!  I'm not the one keeping track of the last time they played for the $23,291 jeep, or whatever it was.

But you are the one who's trying to explain away the budget problems by blaming them on things that aren't even related to the budget.
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: catdogwheel on June 18, 2010, 01:58:17 AM
Rat race was just awesome! I felt like I was at Chuck e. Cheese when I saw this game, I mean that in a good way Drew! This is the first time I can recall that I felt a little depressed when a new game was finished. Maybe they can sneak in a playing for us before season 39?
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 18, 2010, 08:14:54 AM
No.  It means that it's possible for none of the rats to finish the race.

Steve, I might be missing something here, and I apologize if I do, but how is it possible for none of the rats to finish the race (aside from the contestant failing to win any picks)?

Brian
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: PIR85 on June 18, 2010, 08:36:30 AM
They are "wound up" before the act.  A mechanical failure would cause a rat not to finish.  And, in the most unlikely of circumstances, all 5 rats would not finish that day.
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: Briguy on June 18, 2010, 09:56:32 AM
They are "wound up" before the act.  A mechanical failure would cause a rat not to finish.  And, in the most unlikely of circumstances, all 5 rats would not finish that day.

In that extreme circumstance, that that should be a "do-over," and I believe S&P should be able to enforce that. Since prizes are at stake (and thus, legal payoffs), logic says that at least three rats need to finish the race to constitute a legit contest (since the fourth- and fifth-place rats win nothing it wouldn't matter if they "dropped out"). Otherwise, couldn't a "technical win" be declared due to mechanical failure?

But honestly, we're wound up (pardon the pun) over the possibility of an extreme circumstance — all five rats not finishing — ever happening. If it does, then we'll talk.

Brian
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: FrenchFan on June 18, 2010, 10:03:01 AM
Obvious solution: fire Drew, (re)hire Dob and a competent host.

Such as Regis Philbin or Bob Barker.

Isn't Bob 86 ? Isn't it a bit old to host Price again ?


In that extreme circumstance, that that should be a "do-over," and I believe S&P should be able to enforce that. Since prizes are at stake (and thus, legal payoffs), logic says that at least three rats need to finish the race to constitute a legit contest (since the fourth- and fifth-place rats win nothing it wouldn't matter if they "dropped out"). Otherwise, couldn't a "technical win" be declared due to mechanical failure?

But honestly, we're wound up (pardon the pun) over the possibility of an extreme circumstance — all five rats not finishing — ever happening. If it does, then we'll talk.

Brian

If it could be solved by a technical win, no problem.

Just imagine someone backstage forgets to wind up the rats.

If there is actually such a rule, this rule will work only once. After, either they retire the game, or the rule is removed.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveEllis on June 18, 2010, 01:26:32 PM
Yowzer! What cheap, cheap Showcases — particularly when the combined value of today's packages (around $35,000-$36,000) is less than several of the more opulent Showcases this season.

First of all, whinbaby's totals confirms (hopefully) that the Nissan Versa offered in the Showcase was not a stripped down base model retailing for under $10,000, but a nicely-equipped version that went for $12,830. The end price is what I look at, not the beginning.

And for what it's worth, when is our next Cadillac DTS going to be offered? That's the luxury car that's been MIA (missing in action) for way too long. And load it to the hilt while you're at it.

To those who brought up Let's Make a Deal, I'd venture to guess that if LMAD went prime time, we'd see Cadillacs and Porsches as deals. Much akin to the original 1970s ABC version when it ran concurrently with a higher-budget primetime version. Anyone out there who remembers the original ABC version can correct me, but wasn't the "big deal" cars on the daytimer subcompact econo-models like the Chevrolet Vega and AMC Gremlin, while we got much better cars — ergo, the Cadillac Eldorado and Chevrolet Corvette — on the nighttime show?

As for "Rat Race," I did catch a clip, and it appears to be a solid game. Yeah, there's the element of luck (you can still come away with just the <$1000 prize, even with three rats), but pricing groceries and items is at the heart of it all. Two questions on this, and I apologize if it's been answered already: 1. Am I correct in that this the first game to use pricing questions involving both groceries and small prizes? 2. How are the speeds of the rats controlled? Do they have motors that are pre-set, or do they just run at random and may the best rat win? (In other words, is anyone in control of the outcome of the race portion of the game?)

Oh, and I bet I'm correct in assuming that if the contestant misses all three pricing questions, the game automatically ends, the race is cancelled and the rats get eaten by the cats!  ;)

Brian

I watched the game Rat Race on TV then I watched the video on pir.com/  On the video, I got the impression that the rats had a little wind-up key for energy.  Obviously there is a bar or something keeping them motionless before the start of the game.
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveEllis on June 18, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
And I heard Drew say when I watched the Tivo that something like "If your rats(plural)come in 1st, 2nd, AND 3rd, you win ALL 3 PRIZES.

Drew bought the rats on the internet!  I heard that on the video at tpir.com
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: EyeMobileScott on June 18, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
And for what it's worth, when is our next Cadillac DTS going to be offered? That's the luxury car that's been MIA (missing in action) for way too long. And load it to the hilt while you're at it.

Don't think you'll ever see another DTS offered because a) Cadillac is looking to discontinue/merge it with the more hip STS model in the next couple of years, and b) it's a vehicle young people tend to shy away from, and with the show wanting to skew younger at every turn, it behooves them not to offer it as a prize.

*As a side-note, I was in the audience for the last time I believe said car was offered. It was Bob's penultimate MDS taped in early 2005 and I remember CBS held it from the air for over a year--during which time GM renamed the car from DeVille to DTS.
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 18, 2010, 06:34:37 PM
It was Bob's penultimate MDS taped in early 2005 and I remember CBS held it from the air for over a year

Not over a year.  Nine months.
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: spoon14 on June 18, 2010, 08:26:13 PM
I think Lanisha and Manuela have the best comedic chops of any of the current models. Lanisha did a great job with the karaoke lipsynching. I love how she keeps up the schtick even when the camera isn't on her, so she's ready when the cut back to her. Manuela was awesome portray a feisty guy/personal trainer with the Puma clothing and the exercise equipment. I remember a few months back someone posted that they never want to see Manuela in winter clothes again. This time, although posturing like a guy in the Puma wear wasn't the most flattering look, it was worth in for the comedy. I loved it when she chest-bumped the mannequin. Manuela has that character down.

I generally liked Rat Race. The game play was good. The background detail in the props/set could be toned down a bit.
Title: Re: Recap -- 6/16/10
Post by: Disneyfreak on June 24, 2010, 04:27:46 PM
I finally watched the game on youtube at my Sister's DSL internet (*mine at home is very slow dial up!) and was very impressed with the game and hope to see it more often. 

I saw this here: 
Title: Re: Recap Placeholder -- 6/16/10
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 25, 2010, 10:49:13 PM
When the new Most Expensive set debuted earlier in the year, all five of the backdrops were mainly blue with the yellow and orange outline.   However, today the 3 backgrounds to the prizes were mainly yellow with blue and orange trim (i.e. the blue and yellow were inverted).    I haven't seen much of the show in the past two months so can someone please tell me how long that has been changed?

Catching up on some FAQ updates tonight...the change happened on this very episode.