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Title: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on July 14, 2023, 09:03:55 PM
The Season 52 schedule is out. (https://priceisright.com/calendar/)

Highlights:

- Season starts September 25, 2023 (0301L), but is not the first taped show. 
- The tape date of 0402L is interesting (October 17, 2023), because it's later than any other shows that week. 0402L is slated to air December 12, 2023, also known as Bob Barker's 100th birthday. I would watch that entry as the season goes on,
- Thanksgiving break begins after November 22, 2023 (0383L) and resumes on December 4, 2023 (0391L).
- No show on January 1, 2024. (0431L doesn't exist accordingly)
- March Madness reruns are March 14 and 15, 2024. This means I get a birthday show for a rare change (the next show, March 18, 2024 (0541L)). My birthday is generally rerun or weekend.
- 0561L would be a possible April Fools Day show.
- Last regularly scheduled episode is June 28, 2024 (0685L) while the last scheduled episode is July 4, 2024 (0691L).


This means Spring 2025 will have show 1001L.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on July 15, 2023, 12:24:50 AM
I imagine that they'll update the dates for the March Madness reruns from those dates to March 21 & 22.  Selection Sunday takes place on St. Patrick's Day (which was the case in 2013 & 2019, while it occurred a week earlier in 1996 & 2002).  Either way, I think there still should be a new show on 03/18
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Eddie on July 15, 2023, 01:49:05 AM
FYI, the ep for Bob's 100th birthday (0402L) will tape in mid October. 
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SteveGavazzi on July 15, 2023, 05:18:26 AM
FYI, the ep for Bob's 100th birthday (0402L) will tape in mid October.

Gee, I would never have figured that out by reading it in the original post or anything. :rollold:
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Superballer on July 15, 2023, 10:13:18 AM
Now in the terrible event Bob would not make it to December 12th, as of course all of us here hope he does and more, hopefully they would have a backup plan regarding the episode in question so that it could be easily recut to a tribute show, or something along those lines. 
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: mrbrown2195 on July 15, 2023, 10:27:31 AM
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Now in the terrible event Bob would not make it to December 12th, as of course all of us here hope he does and more, hopefully they would have a backup plan regarding the episode in question so that it could be easily recut to a tribute show, or something along those lines.

Honestly, I think the easiest plan is, if they were to tape a tribute show or just simply reference Bob's birthday, is to tape it as close as possible to his birthday and swap the airing dates appropriately. I don't think the show wants to be in a similar position as the people that filmed a Betty White 100th birthday special last year. :lol:
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: TinoStar11 on July 15, 2023, 11:05:35 AM
The show is consistent with making that error with March Madness and the dates a lot. They have plenty of time to fix that on the schedule. How they gonna fix this error is also dependent on if they're going do another College Week.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: b_masters8 on July 15, 2023, 01:51:34 PM
Honestly, I think the easiest plan is, if they were to tape a tribute show or just simply reference Bob's birthday, is to tape it as close as possible to his birthday and swap the airing dates appropriately. I don't think the show wants to be in a similar position as the people that filmed a Betty White 100th birthday special last year. :lol:

Indeed-- I would not want a show for an upcoming centennial of Bob Barker, only to have him not physically make that centennial (they would possibly have egg on their faces if that happened).
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on July 15, 2023, 02:25:34 PM
Indeed-- I would not want a show for an upcoming centennial of Bob Barker, only to have him not physically make that centennial (they would possibly have egg on their faces if that happened).

TBH & IMO, I don't know or think he'll be in attendance even if he gets to the date & into the new year / beyond
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: ThatDonGuy on July 15, 2023, 02:47:55 PM
The Season 52 schedule is out. (https://priceisright.com/calendar/)

- Thanksgiving break begins after November 22, 2023 (0383L) and resumes on December 4, 2023 (0391L).
- No show on January 1, 2024. (0431L doesn't exist accordingly)

Isn't having the entire week after Thanksgiving be scheduled for repeats the standard now, especially as it can be used to air episodes that were pre-empted at the last minute? There's not much need for a Cyber Monday "special" any more.

And has there ever been a new episode on 1/1? In the past, CBS had Rose Parade/Cotton Bowl coverage pre-empting it, or at least causing a repeat, but I don't remember a new episode airing on that date even after CBS stopped airing the parade.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: tpirfan28 on July 15, 2023, 03:12:26 PM
It's probably been asked recently but it might be fitting here - when is the 10,000 episode likely to fall?  For some reason I thought it would be this season.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: JayC on July 15, 2023, 04:07:14 PM
Indeed-- I would not want a show for an upcoming centennial of Bob Barker, only to have him not physically make that centennial (they would possibly have egg on their faces if that happened).
If anything, they could have Drew film a piece at the beginning of the episode telling viewers they recorded the episode before Bob passed.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: tpirguyMN on July 15, 2023, 06:50:35 PM
It's probably been asked recently but it might be fitting here - when is the 10,000 episode likely to fall?  For some reason I thought it would be this season.

Using the episode counts from The Price is Right Wiki Fandom page, including the two unaired episodes from this past season, the count is at 9,710.  That means assuming that there actually are 190 episodes in season 52, the 10,000th episode would be the 100th episode of Season 53.  So maybe sometime in February, 2025?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SteveGavazzi on July 15, 2023, 08:08:08 PM
Using the episode counts from The Price is Right Wiki Fandom page, including the two unaired episodes from this past season, the count is at 9,710.

That looks wrong to me.  I've got every show tracked in a spreadsheet (which means I can't accidentally miscount them), and the first 51 seasons contain 9,706 shows (not counting 0013D, 5811D, and 1513X).  That means 52 will end at 9,896, which puts 10,000 as the 104th episode of Season 53.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: tpirguyMN on July 15, 2023, 10:47:30 PM
That looks wrong to me.

Hmmm, interesting.  Now I am curious to where the discrepancies come from.  I'll have to research that some day! :)
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: TinoStar11 on July 16, 2023, 09:56:42 AM
And has there ever been a new episode on 1/1?

The last New Year's Day episode was in Season 41 , 1/1/13
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: b_masters8 on July 16, 2023, 01:45:33 PM
TBH & IMO, I don't know or think he'll be in attendance even if he gets to the date & into the new year / beyond

True-- what I meant, however, by "physically make that centennial" is simply living to be 100, not necessarily attending any events in his honor.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: ThatDonGuy on July 16, 2023, 04:46:58 PM
The last New Year's Day episode was in Season 41 , 1/1/13

Which appears to be the only time a new episode aired on 1/1.
From the looks of it, the only other days where a new episode aired on the same day as the Tournament of Roses Parade were 1/2/2006 and 1/2/2012, both of which were Mondays. I can't find a reference as to when CBS stopped airing it.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on July 17, 2023, 02:15:06 AM
Which appears to be the only time a new episode aired on 1/1.
From the looks of it, the only other days where a new episode aired on the same day as the Tournament of Roses Parade were 1/2/2006 and 1/2/2012, both of which were Mondays. I can't find a reference as to when CBS stopped airing it.

I had to look up something as to why CBS couldn't air a new episode on NYD.  Before they did away with having college football games after the New Year's ball drop, they used to have a lot of games.  That meant the West Coast probably couldn't air a new episode on January 1 with action starting early afternoon EST.  The Gator Bowl was short-lived on CBS from around 2007 - 2011.  Now there's nothing after the Sun Bowl; I guess there could be a NY episode, but at the same time there's no need for one
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: RatRace10 on July 17, 2023, 08:38:55 AM
the last scheduled episode is July 4, 2024 (0691L).

July 4, 2024 is a Thursday. Shouldn't it be numbered 0694, not 0691 as if it's a Monday?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on July 17, 2023, 12:42:04 PM
It's the only episode of the week. No reason to use 0692-0695L
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: htmlcc92 on July 17, 2023, 03:25:59 PM
Just saw this posted by CBS on Instagram. Looks like they’re already lining up at least one prime time special, hopefully new ones and not encores.


(Can’t easily upload photos when doing this from my phone. Basically it shows the fall line up and has The Price is Right At Night (and Let’s Make a Deal) for the Friday 8 / 7 Central time slot).
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: JayC on July 17, 2023, 05:19:52 PM
Considering the writers and actors strikes, it's no surprise they're putting Price and LMaD at Night in the Fall lineup.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: ThatDonGuy on July 17, 2023, 07:14:55 PM
I had to look up something as to why CBS couldn't air a new episode on NYD.  Before they did away with having college football games after the New Year's ball drop, they used to have a lot of games.  That meant the West Coast probably couldn't air a new episode on January 1 with action starting early afternoon EST.  The Gator Bowl was short-lived on CBS from around 2007 - 2011.  Now there's nothing after the Sun Bowl; I guess there could be a NY episode, but at the same time there's no need for one
For a long time, there were only four games on New Year's Day (or on 1/2 if 1/1 was a Sunday) - the Rose Bowl on NBC in the afternoon, the Orange Bowl on NBC at night, the Sugar Bowl on NBC at night, and the Cotton Bowl on CBS in the afternoon. However, I'm pretty sure the main reason for the pre-emption/repeat was, CBS always aired the Rose Parade; in fact, Bob Barker was one of CBS's hosts for a long time. There was even a New Year's Eve showcase once that included the Rose Queen, as CBS wanted to plug Bob's appearance on its parade coverage the next day.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: TPIRfan#9821 on July 17, 2023, 10:29:55 PM
The schedule was taken down. Here's a quick recreation from what was cached on Google.
Code: [Select]
9/25/23, 0301L, 8/1/23
9/26/23, 0302L, 7/31/23
9/27/23, 0303L, 7/28/23
9/28/23, 0304L, 7/28/23
9/29/23, 0305L, 7/31/23
10/2/23, 0311L, 8/7/23
10/3/23, 0312L, 8/1/23
10/4/23, 0313L, 8/7/23
10/5/23, 0314L, 8/8/23
10/6/23, 0315L, 8/8/23
10/9/23, 0321L, 8/9/23
10/10/23, 0322L, 8/9/23
10/11/23, 0323L, 8/24/23
10/12/23, 0324L, 8/24/23
10/13/23, 0325L, 8/25/23
10/16/23, 0331L, 8/25/23
10/17/23, 0332L, 8/28/23
10/18/23, 0333L, 8/28/23
10/19/23, 0334L, 8/29/23
10/20/23, 0335L, 8/29/23
10/23/23, 0341L, 8/8/23
10/24/23, 0342L, 8/7/23
10/25/23, 0343L, 7/28/23
10/26/23, 0344L, 8/1/23
10/27/23, 0345L, 7/31/23
10/30/23, 0351L, 9/11/2023
10/31/23, 0352L, 9/19/2023
11/1/23, 0353L, 9/11/2023
11/2/23, 0354L, 9/12/2023
11/3/23, 0355L, 9/12/2023
11/6/23, 0361L, 9/25/23
11/7/23, 0362L, 9/25/23
11/8/23, 0363L, 10/17/2023
11/9/23, 0364L, 9/19/2023
11/10/23, 0365L, 9/26/2023
11/13/23, 0371L, 8/24/23
11/14/23, 0372L, 8/25/23
11/15/23, 0373L, 8/9/23
11/16/23, 0374L, 8/28/23
11/17/23, 0375L, 8/29/23
11/20/23, 0381L, 10/18/2023
11/21/23, 0382L, 10/18/2023
11/22/23, 0383L, 10/19/2023
12/4/23, 0391L, 10/23/2023
12/5/23, 0392L, 10/23/2023
12/6/23, 0393L, 10/24/23
12/7/23, 0394L, 10/24/23
12/8/23, 0395L, 10/19/2023
12/11/23, 0401L, 9/11/2023
12/12/23, 0402L, 10/17/2023
12/13/23, 0403L, 9/12/2023
12/14/23, 0404L, 9/26/2023
12/15/23, 0405L, 9/25/23
12/18/23, 0411L, 11/16/23
12/19/23, 0412L, 11/16/23
12/20/23, 0413L, 11/16/23
12/21/23, 0414L, 11/17/23
12/22/23, 0415L, 11/17/23
12/26/23, 0422L, 10/24/23
12/27/23, 0423L, 10/18/2023
12/28/23, 0424L, 10/23/2023
12/29/23, 0425L, 10/19/2023
1/2/24, 0432L, 11/27/23
1/3/24, 0433L, 11/27/23
1/4/24, 0434L, 11/28/23
1/5/24, 0435L, 11/28/23
1/8/24, 0441L, 11/29/23
1/9/24, 0442L, 11/29/23
1/10/24, 0443L, 12/4/2023
1/11/24, 0444L, 12/5/23
1/12/24, 0445L, 12/4/2023
1/15/24, 0451L, 12/6/23
1/16/24, 0452L, 12/6/23
1/17/24, 0453L, 12/11/23
1/18/24, 0454L, 12/11/23
1/19/24, 0455L, 12/12/23
1/22/24, 0461L, 12/12/23
1/23/24, 0462L, 12/13/2023
1/24/24, 0463L, 12/13/2023
1/25/24, 0464L, 9/26/2023
1/26/24, 0465L, 10/17/2023
1/29/24, 0471L, 11/27/23
1/30/24, 0472L, 11/28/23
1/31/24, 0473L, 11/29/23
2/1/24, 0474L, 12/4/2023
2/2/24, 0475L, 12/5/23
2/5/24, 0481L, 1/8/2024
2/6/24, 0482L, 1/8/2024
2/7/24, 0483L, 1/9/2024
2/8/24, 0484L, 1/9/2024
2/9/24, 0485L, 1/10/24
2/12/24, 0491L, 1/10/24
2/13/24, 0492L, 1/16/24
2/14/24, 0493L, 1/16/24
2/15/24, 0494L, 1/17/24
2/16/24, 0495L, 1/17/24
2/19/24, 0501L, 12/6/23
2/20/24, 0502L, 12/11/23
2/21/24, 0503L, 12/12/23
2/22/24, 0504L, 12/13/2023
2/23/24, 0505L, 1/4/23
2/26/24, 0511L, 1/18/24
2/27/24, 0512L, 1/18/24
2/28/24, 0513L, 1/29/24
2/29/24, 0514L, 1/29/24
3/1/24, 0515L, 1/30/24
3/4/24, 0521L, 1/30/24
3/5/24, 0522L, 1/31/24
3/6/24, 0523L, 1/31/24
3/7/24, 0524L, 2/5/24
3/8/24, 0525L, 2/5/24
3/11/24, 0531L, 1/4/23
3/12/24, 0532L, 12/5/23
3/13/24, 0533L, 1/4/23
3/18/24, 0541L, 1/8/2024
3/19/24, 0542L, 1/9/2024
3/20/24, 0543L, 1/10/24
3/21/24, 0544L, 1/16/24
3/22/24, 0545L, 1/17/24
3/25/24, 0551L, 2/6/24
3/26/24, 0552L, 2/6/24
3/27/24, 0553L, 2/7/24
3/28/24, 0554L, 2/7/24
3/29/24, 0555L, 2/12/24
4/1/24, 0561L, 2/12/24
4/2/24, 0562L, 2/13/24
4/3/24, 0563L, 2/13/24
4/4/24, 0564L, 2/14/24
4/5/24, 0565L, 2/14/24
4/8/24, 0571L, 1/18/24
4/9/24, 0572L, 1/29/24
4/10/24, 0573L, 1/30/24
4/11/24, 0574L, 1/31/24
4/12/24, 0575L, 2/5/24
4/15/24, 0581L, 2/26/24
4/16/24, 0582L, 2/26/24
4/17/24, 0583L, 2/27/24
4/18/24, 0584L, 2/27/24
4/19/24, 0585L, 2/28/24
4/22/24, 0591L, 3/4/24
4/23/24, 0592L, 2/28/24
4/24/24, 0593L, 3/4/24
4/25/24, 0594L, 3/5/24
4/26/24, 0595L, 3/5/24
4/29/24, 0601L, 2/6/24
4/30/24, 0602L, 2/7/24
5/1/24, 0603L, 2/12/24
5/2/24, 0604L, 2/13/24
5/3/24, 0605L, 2/14/24
5/6/24, 0611L, 3/20/24
5/7/24, 0612L, 3/20/24
5/8/24, 0613L, 4/16/24
5/9/24, 0614L, 4/1/24
5/10/24, 0615L, 4/1/24
5/13/24, 0621L, 3/11/24
5/14/24, 0622L, 3/11/24
5/15/24, 0623L, 3/12/24
5/16/24, 0624L, 3/12/24
5/17/24, 0625L, 3/13/24
5/20/24, 0631L, 3/13/24
5/21/24, 0632L, 3/18/24
5/22/24, 0633L, 3/18/24
5/23/24, 0634L, 3/19/24
5/24/24, 0635L, 3/19/24
5/27/24, 0641L, 2/26/24
5/28/24, 0642L, 2/27/24
5/29/24, 0643L, 2/28/24
5/30/24, 0644L, 3/4/24
5/31/24, 0645L, 3/5/24
6/3/24, 0651L, 4/2/24
6/4/24, 0652L, 4/2/24
6/5/24, 0653L, 4/3/24
6/6/24, 0654L, 4/3/24
6/7/24, 0655L, 4/8/24
6/10/24, 0661L, 4/8/24
6/11/24, 0662L, 4/9/24
6/12/24, 0663L, 4/9/24
6/13/24, 0664L, 4/15/24
6/14/24, 0665L, 4/15/24
6/17/24, 0671L, 3/11/24
6/18/24, 0672L, 3/12/24
6/19/24, 0673L, 3/13/24
6/20/24, 0674L, 3/18/24
6/21/24, 0675L, 3/19/24
6/24/24, 0681L, 4/2/24
6/25/24, 0682L, 4/3/24
6/26/24, 0683L, 4/8/24
6/27/24, 0684L, 4/9/24
6/28/24, 0685L, 4/15/24
7/4/24, 0691L, 4/16/24
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: bigdodgeram on November 02, 2023, 06:09:38 PM
these are not the tape dates Roadgeek Adam is posting.
is there an updated taping and show date schedule?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: gamesurf on November 02, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
No. That schedule is no longer accurate and the actual taping schedule we’ve seen so far has departed quite a bit from the old one removed from the official site.  All we know are the tape dates for the next month or so on OCA (https://on-camera-audiences.com/shows/The_Price_is_Right/). They are indeed going back to the three a day schedule.

I can think of a very good reason not to make the full tape date/air date schedule public to all prospective contestants.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: MSTieScott on November 02, 2023, 07:14:28 PM
I can think of a very good reason not to make the full tape date/air date schedule public to all prospective contestants.

But will it help? Y'all already found out the reason before the season even began airing. If a group of bad actors wants to gain an unfair advantage, they can do so equally as effectively without knowing the specific airdates.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: OneBidTris on November 02, 2023, 07:17:56 PM
It'd still be nice to at least get a schedule for what's already taped and not have to rely on an old calendar for what might have taped when. It's a good thing they've stayed in order with the slates in studio, but what if they switch around the schedule like they did the first week?

It's not like the pod era where everyone that was there was someone the show casted or their friends, this is people from everywhere and those audience members should know when their shows will air in case they forget. And also if their shows get moved around; just as much as those who get called on down.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: htmlcc92 on November 02, 2023, 07:42:59 PM
I’ve always wondered: how can it be determined what an episode number is in an imperfect world of inaccurate tape / air dates, along with shuffling episodes around? I ask because obviously the slate is never shown on air, so is there somewhere else that the episode number can be seen for sure?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on November 02, 2023, 07:58:47 PM
Generally a production code can be assumed based off the calendar. It can be confirmed by uploading a clip of the episode to YouTube and getting a prod code from the ContentID claim, or by the file name of the thumbnail of the episode uploaded to CBS.com.


Tape dates can only be confirmed either by attending the show, by the slate, or by the calendar uploaded to the site.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Punchboard91 on November 11, 2023, 02:39:44 PM
Just letting everyone know, my TV listings show a new episode of Price on Black Friday - Episode 102 is in the description.

Rejoice!
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: jhc2010 on November 13, 2023, 04:02:08 AM
Just letting everyone know, my TV listings show a new episode of Price on Black Friday - Episode 102 is in the description.
CBS is airing a College Football doubleheader on Friday, November 24 (Black Friday):
12:00 PM ET / 9:00 AM PT - Iowa @ Nebraska
4:00 PM ET / 1:00 PM PT - Missouri @ Arkansas

Would Price really air a new episode on a day where the show won’t air in the West?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SteveGavazzi on November 13, 2023, 04:19:20 AM
Would Price really air a new episode on a day where the show won’t air in the West?

Yes.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: bonkers77 on November 13, 2023, 04:35:31 AM
Nov 25 is saturday...

Ep 102 Perhaps is 2023 feb 7 show?
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: GasMoney09721007 on November 13, 2023, 09:31:41 AM
But will it help? Y'all already found out the reason before the season even began airing. If a group of bad actors wants to gain an unfair advantage, they can do so equally as effectively without knowing the specific airdates.

Forgive me for being out of the loop and if this isn't meant to be public knowledge I apologize but...huh? I think I missed something
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on November 16, 2023, 03:38:49 PM
Ep 102 Perhaps is 2023 feb 7 show?
11/24 is most likely 102L, the holdover show from last season.


Forgive me for being out of the loop and if this isn't meant to be public knowledge I apologize but...huh? I think I missed something
On the days that they tape three shows, the third show will be comprised of prizes and games from the first and second shows taped that day. Meaning if you were in the audience for shows 1 and/or 2, you'd have an unfair advantage for show 3.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: DebonairDylan on December 22, 2023, 12:27:10 PM
I noticed on my guide that next Friday (12/29) is a rerun in addition to Christmas Day and New Year's Day, which are both on Mondays this year. Did something happen to cause an episode to get pulled or was next week only taped with three episodes? Next Friday's show would be 0435L if it exists, but somehow, I wonder if they decided to only tape three episodes for next week and not air a new show the Friday before New Year's.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: tpirfan28 on December 22, 2023, 03:02:28 PM
The Sun Bowl airs on CBS that day, so likely to not have a new show not air in the west.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: ThatDonGuy on December 22, 2023, 05:10:55 PM
The Sun Bowl airs on CBS that day, so likely to not have a new show not air in the west.

My TiVo schedule shows the game starting at 11 AM Pacific, with a new TPIR scheduled for 10 AM.
Title: Re: Season 52 Schedule Released
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on December 22, 2023, 05:16:19 PM
Yeah there should be a new episode next Friday.  If there are none, my guess is that it'll be unrelated to the Sun Bowl.  With TPIR airing at 1:00 EST in the West Coast (an hour earlier local time), then there shouldn't be a conflict with the game.  FWIW, there wasn't an issue in 2017, so we should be fine on 12/29/23