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Studio 46 - Non-TPiR Discussion => Out In Left Field => Topic started by: Richie on November 06, 2021, 02:19:04 AM
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For those who watch Wheel of Fortune Season 39, I'm noticing that we have not had that many Bonus Round wins this season even with the minimum $39,000. I gotta wonder is the Sony Budget really this bad lately?
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...it's Sony. Need I say more?
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Plus, it's November. We're not even a week into the month. In addition to that, the lack of bonus round wins isn't new. Maybe the win-loss rate is worse this year than in past years. FWIW, there was mention a couple years ago about the lack of WOF BR wins during the Jeopardy James Era. Given the Matt Amodio Era recently ended, there could be a link to that. Probably just a coincidence but as mentioned, we're dealing with Sony
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I highly suspect that companies are cutting back TV and film budgets to catch up on executive pay (Sony and Fremantle included, and it doesn't just impact game shows). Unfortunately, there's not really anything that those outside the business can do about that.
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Any business is going to have different properties with their own line items. The idea they are somehow balancing Jeopardy on the Wheel line makes for silly conspiracy theories but little else.
Matt’s wins were nowhere near as large as James’ save for one 80K game. The show is still giving away decent money most days regardless of going to one contestant or a succession of them.
Some things just work out the way they do. Wheel gives away a lot of money (prizes included) in the main game most shows. The bonus round has long been hard with laughably obscure puzzles.
Beyond that, while the set changes are somewhat nice, and they’ve somewhat toned down the obnoxious themes visually, the pimping out of the show seems more glaring than ever. This Disney princess week was over the top.
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Plus, it's November. We're not even a week into the month. In addition to that, the lack of bonus round wins isn't new. Maybe the win-loss rate is worse this year than in past years. FWIW, there was mention a couple years ago about the lack of WOF BR wins during the Jeopardy James Era. Given the Matt Amodio Era recently ended, there could be a link to that. Probably just a coincidence but as mentioned, we're dealing with Sony
I absolutely believe that the two show's budgets influence each other. Holzhauer was breaking six figures on a semi-regular basis and Wheel's bonus round went 0-20 in the last four weeks of the season. I have no evidence to prove it, but I refuse to believe that was a coincidence.
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I absolutely believe that the two show's budgets influence each other. Holzhauer was breaking six figures on a semi-regular basis and Wheel's bonus round went 0-20 in the last four weeks of the season. I have no evidence to prove it, but I refuse to believe that was a coincidence.
Although as mentioned in other posts, he was winning far more than normal champions do - so even though we had a long term champion recently, the actual money given out was nowhere near as much, much more like any other winner would get.
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Although as mentioned in other posts, he was winning far more than normal champions do - so even though we had a long term champion recently, the actual money given out was nowhere near as much, much more like any other winner would get.
J! was actually giving away more money than Wheel this season, even adding the 2000/1000 consolations and the second and third place winnings on Wheel.
Most J! champions finish with around $25K per day. Most Wheel champs finish with around $18K without a Bonus Round win and about $60K with one, so you could say a typical Wheel bonus round winner is equivalent to a typical three-day champ on J!.
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But at least $7K of what Wheel offers is a sponsored trip, which I'm sure doesn't cost Sony the full package since like other game shows like Price, they're offered for free or less than retail, and much of the time, the hotel/airfare doesn't cost as much as announced since this assumes Christmas week prices. Wheel on average gives away around $50K per show (or around $10 million a season), which is still more than what the average Jeopardy! winner takes home, even after taking into account trips.
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The bonus puzzle tonight: WAVY LAGOON
What the hell?! I remember the young guy from a couple years ago who got WAVY OCEAN because he picked W and V. I know oceans are known for waves, but lagoons?! Who has ever said those two words together?
Why couldn't they just do LAGOON? I've been watching a lot of 90s and 2000s eps on youtube lately and a lot of the bonus puzzles were just one simple word. I can't even the remember the last time I saw a one-word bonus round puzzle on wheel. Maybe like three years ago?
Monday's puzzle BUZZING WITH IDEAS was no picnic either, but at least it's something people have said and the contestant actually solved it by some miracle.
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I can't even the remember the last time I saw a one-word bonus round puzzle on wheel. Maybe like three years ago?
Apparently we had a one word WHAT ARE YOU DOING bonus round puzzle earlier this season. It was PIVOTING. It was apparently not solved because the difficulty of this puzzle was a 9 out of 10 on the hard scale AND you needed to be letter perfect on this one.
THING and WHAT ARE YOU DOING are choices I personally would NOT pick for the Bonus Round. BOTH categories had a lot of hard puzzles in recent years.
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Phrase is also one of the worst. Not too long ago the Phrase was I BOUGHT A VOWEL, which people don't even say on the show in the past tense. And last season there was I TOOK A QUICK JAUNT.
They might as well make one of the three categories like Level 6 on Whew! and put a block behind one of them, and if you pick that one, it's an Automatic Loss. :lol:
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The bonus puzzle tonight: WAVY LAGOON
What the hell?! I remember the young guy from a couple years ago who got WAVY OCEAN because he picked W and V. I know oceans are known for waves, but lagoons?! Who has ever said those two words together?
Me thinks they were forcing a loss in the Bonus Round and it worked. And it was a mandatory letter perfect puzzle. You needed to be REAL lucky with your letter picks as there was only ONE correct combination of letters that worked.
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I honestly think the puzzles are computer generated. Like, they have a "word bank" and it picks a combination of those words. Living Thing is always ADORABLE... GORGEOUS... BABY... NEWBORN... prefacing the actual animal.
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I honestly think the puzzles are computer generated. Like, they have a "word bank" and it picks a combination of those words. Living Thing is always ADORABLE... GORGEOUS... BABY... NEWBORN... prefacing the actual animal.
I've noticed this with LIVING THING too. (although LIVING THING is one of my favorite categories)
We had a tough LIVING THING this week in Bonus Land: FINICKY CATS (on Monday's episode)
Two contestants on Tuesday and Wednesday this week made a fatal mistake picking WHAT ARE YOU DOING for Bonus Land. (BUYING A WHOLE BUNCH/QUACKING LIKE A DUCK)
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No, it is not about the category choice. Also, BUYING A WHOLE BUNCH isn't quite as hard if you can figure out "a whole bunch". Someone who does so could easily pick G-H-B-U as their letters, and that would fill in most of the first word. BAMBOO GROVE (Place) was actually a harder puzzle even though it was solved.
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Why do I have a feeling that they're going to do I BOUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH as Phrase later this season?
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BAMBOO GROVE (Place) was actually a harder puzzle even though it was solved.
I was even surprised Stacy solved that one. She was smart with three of her letter picks.
Why do I have a feeling that they're going to do I BOUGHT A WHOLE BUNCH as Phrase later this season?
I think here's one worse: TAKING A QUICK JAUNT for a future WHAT ARE YOU DOING?
In some past seasons, they had OUTFOX THE COMPETITION for PHRASE and OUTFOXING THE COMPETITION for WHAT ARE YOU DOING.
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Was anyone else's WOF preempted by some shopping infomercial tonight? Just seemed so random, especially because Friday's Jeopardy still aired...
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Was anyone else's WOF preempted by some shopping infomercial tonight? Just seemed so random, especially because Friday's Jeopardy still aired...
Not mine. But apparently this week one category in Bonus Land just hit 10 losses. Ay yi yi.
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I missed it due to sleep but WPVI just aired Wheel at 3:00 after a rebroadcast of World News Tonight.
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I just look at a recap whenever my market changes Wheel’s slot. No way in hell I’m watching it at 4:00 AM.
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Was anyone else's WOF preempted by some shopping infomercial tonight? Just seemed so random, especially because Friday's Jeopardy still aired...
Yes, ABC O&O stations that air Wheel at 7:30 preempted it for a Localish special last night. There are Localish and other specials that air in Wheel's timeslot throughout the year on occasion which preempt Wheel on ABC O&Os. Last night's episode aired on WABC at 4am, whenever it is preempted it will air either overnight like this or they push the new episodes back a day so that Friday's episode airs in the Saturday rerun slot.
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Now I am really thinking to myself this: should future contestants avoid WHAT ARE YOU DOING if offered as a choice in the Bonus Round? Season 38, that category had the most Bonus Puzzle losses (it had over 20 losses). Barely three months into season 39, that category hit loss #10. This category has the most cruel puzzles this season.
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Now I am really thinking to myself this: should future contestants avoid WHAT ARE YOU DOING if offered as a choice in the Bonus Round? Season 38, that category had the most Bonus Puzzle losses (it had over 20 losses). Barely three months into season 39, that category hit loss #10. This category has the most cruel puzzles this season.
They should but they won't. People pick it because they think they have an advantage because of the guaranteed ING, but most of them pick G-consonant-consonant-I and get little to no help.
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Generally speaking, this is how I'd rank the Bonus Round categories in order of difficulty:
Easy
On The Map
Occupation
Person
Place
Show Biz
Medium
Phrase
Around The House
Fun & Games
What Are You Wearing?
Event
Character
Hard
Food & Drink
In The Kitchen
Living Thing
Thing
What Are You Doing?
A player named Amy on that other show is just the latest blow to the budget. Hopefully Secret Santa will be nice.
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They should but they won't. People pick it because they think they have an advantage because of the guaranteed ING, but most of them pick G-consonant-consonant-I and get little to no help.
Here are a few examples which resulted in losses: BLUFFING. WAVING. This year PIVOTING. Oh I hate the one worder What are you doing bonus puzzles.
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They should but they won't. People pick it because they think they have an advantage because of the guaranteed ING, but most of them pick G-consonant-consonant-I and get little to no help.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people think that revealing letters they already know is a good strategy.
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I really hope nobody watched tonight's episode....I saw it and ugh...
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I'm pretty sure that there's a "word bank" that ensures all of these trap words. Another site has a thread called "words that are never won", and QUIRKY was right up there. I got the whole puzzle (QUIRKY HUMOR) with the contestant's picks, but there seems to be an unwritten rule that a puzzle must have a J, K, Q, V, or Z within them. Most Wheel contestants though aren't megafans and go with the flow too much. That and a category for a decade that half of everyone alive wasn't old enough to remember firsthand.
It's a shame that there aren't returning champions, although I'd devise it where you stay on until you either solve a bonus puzzle, or stay on for three shows. Each time you fail at the BR, you get an extra consonant to make your chances easier if you make another appearance. The Australian version of Wheel had a format similar to that. Even if you retire undefeated and strike out at the BR, you still end up with around $50K, which is what many who win the car/$39K end up with around. The contestant pool also would seem fresher and more interesting even if fewer players get to spin, and I don't know why there has never been "Wheel of Fortune Live!" just like Price since the show could take a similar Wheel on the road and award cash/prizes (just use the 1975 Wheel amounts and the Goen-level prizes, as well as the Ceramic Dalmatian prize wedge). WoF Live! would be a great way to groom the replacements for Pat/Vanna as well.
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I don't know why there has never been "Wheel of Fortune Live!"
There was, back in the 1990s.
https://wheeloffortunehistory.fandom.com/wiki/Wheel_of_Fortune_-_Live!
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I really hope nobody watched tonight's episode....I saw it and ugh...
QUIRKY HUMOR, and it was the $100K. Why do they even bother to have the bonus round anymore if they can't afford more than one $39K or cheap car win a week?
How can Wheel be this overbudget when the biggest winner we've had this season so far was the lady who won ~$82K on the season premiere? And I believe all the Bonus Round wins so far have been $39K or the car, with only one $45K.
Someone lost the $100K on last weekend's Celebrity Wheel too.
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they start with a short budget to begin with, imo, with it being SONY (and the fact that it's always second fiddle to Jeopardy)
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With this being the Secret Santa sweepstakes, there’s usually a higher chance of a cash amount being hit. I feel for that Spin ID who missed out on $100,000.
There was, back in the 1990s.
https://wheeloffortunehistory.fandom.com/wiki/Wheel_of_Fortune_-_Live!
What other sources are there aside from an ambiguous wiki link?
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Here's a WOF Live T Shirt on eBay. That's the same logo they used for the handheld game by Tiger. https://www.ebay.com/itm/313633717035?hash=item490606bb2b:g:v6UAAOSwFTVhErQA
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I've always been wondering: do any of you know the prize breakdown of the bonus wheel? I suspect it's 12 $39,000, two $45,000, one $50,000, one $100,000, and eight cars.
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The breakdown has never been made officially known besides that there's one $100,000 envelope (or $1,000,000 when the million is brought to the bonus round).
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Well I think tonight's PERSON Bonus Round puzzle might have been the carryover puzzle which Rob avoided on the Tuesday show since PERSON was one of the choices...but we will never know.
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The breakdown has never been made officially known besides that there's one $100,000 envelope (or $1,000,000 when the million is brought to the bonus round).
The reason for that is very simple -- because there is no set distribution. According to the official rules, the envelope distribution (aside from the top prize) is at the discretion of the producer; however, it would be safe to assume that this only applies to 21 of the 24 envelopes, given that the presence of the $[season],000 gimmick and the weekly car requires one of each to be present at minimum.
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The reason for that is very simple -- because there is no set distribution. According to the official rules, the envelope distribution (aside from the top prize) is at the discretion of the producer; however, it would be safe to assume that this only applies to 21 of the 24 envelopes, given that the presence of the $[season],000 gimmick and the weekly car requires one of each to be present at minimum.
Wouldn't that be 19 of 24? Since there would have to be one of everything they advertise (current year, $45, $50, $100/$1Mil and Car)? Then the remaining 19 could be duplicates of whatever in any quantities/combination?
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Wouldn't that be 19 of 24? Since there would have to be one of everything they advertise (current year, $45, $50, $100/$1Mil and Car)? Then the remaining 19 could be duplicates of whatever in any quantities/combination?
They also explicitly say on Celebrity WOF that there are four $100K's, and when they had the Home in the Bonus Wheel for that special week last season, they said there was one envelope of that, or two if they had the Home wedge (but they didn't say which of the other envelopes it would replace; the 100K was always still available).
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I honestly think the puzzles are computer generated. Like, they have a "word bank" and it picks a combination of those words.
The Prize Puzzles are probably computer-generated too. They're always "positive adjective + noun":
MAGNIFICENT BEACHES
AMAZING TEMPERATURES
UNBELIEVABLE INFINITY POOL
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Apparently I watched Celebrity Wheel of Fortune.
Johnny Weir made an unfortunate mistake of picking WHAT ARE YOU DOING for Million Dollar Bonus Round (I prefer Bonus Land since Pat says it on occasion). I have not heard of GATHERING MY WITS. That last word gave me the fits.
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Just watched tonight's Wheel of Fortune. OY. I apparently got stumped on tonight's Bonus puzzle.
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Apparently I watched Celebrity Wheel of Fortune.
Johnny Weir made an unfortunate mistake of picking WHAT ARE YOU DOING for Million Dollar Bonus Round (I prefer Bonus Land since Pat says it on occasion). I have not heard of GATHERING MY WITS. That last word gave me the fits.
I stop watching CWOF after about five episodes into a season because they group all the episodes with Bonus Round wins to air first. After Melissa's million dollar win, we've only had one or two wins by airing order. It gets boring when you know that both Bonus Rounds are most likely going to be lost because it's airing late in the season.
Also I'm pretty sure I remember them doing GATHER YOUR WITS as a Phrase once.
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Wheel sure had a heck of week last week, didn't they?
On Monday, people were mad because the bonus puzzle was YOUNG JOCK and some thought it was a misspelled reference to rapper YUNG JOC and the contestant should be invited back.
On Tuesday, the winner paused too long when guessing the bonus round answer and everyone on Twitter was and still is mad at them for ruling it a loss and denying her a car. And she picked What Are You Doing? and wasted her picks on I and G, as everyone else does.
On Wednesday, someone mispronounced the word SOLSTICE as "SOL-I-STICE" and again, people were mad that they ruled it a bad solve.
Sheesh!
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Well, solistice isn’t a word so there’s that
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Well, solistice isn’t a word so there’s that
It's Twitter. People will find anything to complain about.
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And clickbait garbage “news” sites will pretend the complaining is a thing.
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Well apparently the first week of 2022 for Wheel of Fortune to put it nicely was relatively uneventful. Enough said.
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On today's episode, the champion was a bit weary of the choices for today's Bonus Round. She had to pick between THING/ PERSON/ LIVING THINGS.
Pat asked her what would you have chosen: she said it would have been WHAT ARE YOU DOING and PHRASE.
A little newsflash for the champion today, WHAT ARE YOU DOING has the WORST record in Season 39 Bonus Land. I would NOT pick that category if offered as a choice.
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If Michael Davies' intention was to make Wheel boring again, he's succeeding. It feels as though Harry never left.
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Understanding that Jeopardy is a straightforward Q&A...er, A&Q.....that has had no appreciable format change I say this: it may be that the Wheel format has just reached its endpoint. They've done gimmicks and tweaks over the year, but there is only so much you can do with the core of the game. (And no, I'm not advocating bringing back shopping.)
A new host might inject something into it, but it's not like Sony has unlimited money to be giving away the house every show. They give away a nice amount as it is on average. But the concept is just showing its age. Not all shows have the same shelf life.
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I honestly think wheel is -slightly- better than it was last season. Its not great, but better.
My question for everyone that's dumping on it...short of a host change...what can they do to make it better?
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The basics of spin, buy a vowel, and solve are good as they are. One Toss-Up is okay to determine who starts (the others are more debatable), and the Bonus Round still has its place on the show.
Obviously, shopping takes too long, but I would find a way to fit another prize on the Wheel, maybe even replace the Gift Tag with a token for a small prize.
The Wheel has too many BANKRUPT spaces. The Million-dollar wedge ought to be placed on another BANKRUPT instead of a cash space.
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Add a wider range to the spaces on the wheel.
16 of the 24 are between $500 and $700.
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The Wheel has too many BANKRUPT spaces. The Million-dollar wedge ought to be placed on another BANKRUPT instead of a cash space.
Excluding the million dollar wedge, there are only two Bankrupt spaces on the wheel. If anything, there aren’t enough.
Personally, I would make the third round’s top wedge worth $5,000 instead of a second $3,500. I would also introduce some four-digit wedges (like $1,000, $1,250 or $1,500).
I actually miss the Free Play wedge.
Also — and this is gonna blow some minds here — it’s time to get an LED wheel that can update its values between rounds. The wheel as it is seems outdated.
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Excluding the million dollar wedge, there are only two Bankrupt spaces on the wheel. If anything, there aren’t enough.
One regular space and the Million-Dollar Wedge on top of another space is enough. The current penalty layout has been causing too much trouble as it is, and picking up the Million-Dollar Wedge actually makes it safer to spin, but making this change would appropriately increase the risk.
However, an LED wheel might be the solution if they're not willing to go back to the multi-template system they used before. It does make sense to increase the ordinary values after each round.
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i'm just afraid people will eventually call the LED wheel "rigged", knowing how social media is nowadays
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Those fools will always spout nonsense. The wheel does indeed look terribly, comically outdated.
To their credit, they got rid of that pointless video wall behind the players. But the whoring out of the show continues unabated.
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I do agree with those saying they need a bigger variety of dollar values on the wheel and a little more variety in the wedges in general. Get some more four digit spaces on ($1,000-$1,500, maybe $2,000 in round 4), an additional prize, and maybe 1-2 additional new different wedges to liven up the wheel a bit. I'd also make $5,000 the top value in round 3 and $6,000 for round 4.
I also agree the wheel itself is kind of outdated and an LED wheel would be nice to allow for more layout changes between each round and they could also add graphics to highlight big spins.
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The writing is so locked in a box. You throw so many words on the board it becomes something that no human being would say. In the main game, you're never going to see a Proper Name category where the answer is something simple like "JOHNNY DEPP". Instead you're going to get "OSCAR-NOMINATED COCAINE ADDICT JOHNNY DEPP".
The writing is dull partially because, well, a lot of the the production decisions are dull. There are a lot of small nips and tucks that could be done that have already been suggested (no variety on the wheel, Prize Puzzles suck, prizes on offer are stale and predictable, etc.)
But I do wonder if the writing is dull because the format is so rigid. When you have to have the puzzle gradually fill in, and you know that a bunch of wrong answers in a row makes for bad TV, you kind of have to engineer insanely long puzzles with lots of consonants so even blind guessers aren't likely to screw up. Every version of Wheel we've seen has been Spin/Guess consonant/Spin/Guess Consonant/Buy Vowel/Repeat as needed/Solve, repeated 3x per episode, highest score at the end wins. What if they stepped away from that rigid format?
I dunno. I'm no producer, and Michael Davies is not likely to do any of this, I'm just brainstorming. What if the puzzles were shorter and punchier, so you could get more of them in per episode? What if you played to first-to-three-puzzles? What if you had games and rounds that cycled in per episode a la a lottery show or Price is Right?
What about a Fame-Game style round where a blank puzzle is revealed and everybody gets one spin, one letter, and a clue is revealed every few spins of the wheel?
A round where every time you spin, the space you land on is replaced by an arrow pointing to the next space, so the amounts on the wheel are constantly shrinking? (Or on an LED wheel, certain spaces keep expanding after every spin?)
What about a round where each space has a player color in addition to dollar amounts on the wheel, and the wheel is spun to determine who gets one turn to guess a letter? If you have a fancy LED wheel, maybe players can "buy" spaces instead of vowels to increase the odds of their turn coming up?
Whatever the faults of the show might be, the brand of WoF, or even the idea of Wheel of Fortune--like, the wheel, the puzzleboard, contestants at goofy podiums, "buy a vowel", etc--is still very, very strong and recognizable. As long as it features contestants guessing letters and slowly filling in a puzzle and spinning a Wheel of Fortune, you might be able to step away from the format that's worked in the past and try to play it in a different way that emphasizes WoF's strengths and unique elements.
I admit it, I'm one of the few who actually liked what Jay Wolpert did with the shuffle format for Millionaire, so take my opinions with a grain of salt
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I was perusing the Wheel of Fortune subreddit and I saw an interesting idea. Someone suggested that instead of having the minimum cash amount increase by $1,000 every year, make the minimum a flat $30,000 and introduce "DOUBLE" or "TRIPLE" multipliers; solving the bonus puzzle would affect their winnings accordingly (so a player who won $25,000 in the front game, landed on TRIPLE, and solved the final puzzle would win an additional $50,000, for a grand total of $75,000).
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i'm just afraid people will eventually call the LED wheel "rigged", knowing how social media is nowadays
Pat said they stopped the wheel’s automation because in his own words it wasn’t a good idea to show people that the wheel can by spun by itself. I don’t remember Wheel of Fortune ever getting in trouble for it. However, he seemed to predict media outlets preferring its audience be outraged than happy.
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I wonder what season of Wheel got rid of the $750 space? I want to see that back. We do have an $850 space this season alone.
I do agree we need to see some $1,000 spaces, maybe a $1,500 space in later rounds. I like the idea of the $5,000 space in round three.
As for Bonus Land, let's see a $75,000 envelope in the near future. I know they will be getting rid of the $45,000 envelope soon cause season 40 is coming up if we ever get there.
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I wonder what season of Wheel got rid of the $750 space?
It was present for the first two weeks of the 1996-97 season before they went with a single Wheel template.
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If Michael Davies' intention was to make Wheel boring again, he's succeeding. It feels as though Harry never left.
Tell me about it! And just like Harry, Michael is getting more recognition for being the EP of Jeopardy! instead of Wheel, and is putting more effort into that show, and Jeopardy! is thriving right now while everyone is back to treating Wheel as "that other game show". Last year, Wheel was actually popular again (not necessarily more popular than Jeopardy!, but definitely more in the public eye) thanks to Mike.
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Oh for crying out loud, this silliness again?
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Well, let's turn this thread in a more positive direction. If you haven't had a chance to watch last night's show or seen the promo for this week, here's a link to the promo on Instagram. *MAJOR SPOILERS*
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZrpfcJM9hL/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/CZrpfcJM9hL/)
Yeah, that's never happened before. Pretty big stuff...
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Why bother watching with promos like that? Don't they realize the "vanna celebrating" clips give away major parts of the bonus puzzle? At least blank out the letters on the board.
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The show just had a contestant who briefly met Pat when she was 11 years old. Fast forward to today...and she's $100,000 richer. That's certainly worth a moment.
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Oh I agree. The current promos give away WAY too much. And they’re difficult to avoid.
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Thankfully, I abstained to witness the history of back-to-back $100K winners. What a solve with A QUICK FLIGHT, I thought Mark wouldn't have solved it, but who knows what could pop up.
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The Living Things puzzle on Monday wasn't too bad. I'm even surprised that category in Bonus Land got 5 wins this season. It's doing better than THING and WHAT ARE YOU DOING combined.
The Event puzzle last night...I was impressed. I personally didn't get this one, it was very tough!
I smell some toughies upcoming since the budget is broken this week.
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This three-in-a-row should really be its own thread, as it's nowhere close to the original topic. Maybe next time, we ought to create a general Season 40 thread just a few days before the season begins. :P
Anyway, that was an amazing three days. The first puzzle VULTURES OVERHEAD was simple enough, but A QUICK FLIGHT was hard...and JUST YOU WAIT was impossible. But all three were solved, and I'm feeling good about the publicity.
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The odds of landing on the $100,000 wedge is one in 13,824, while the odds of three solves in a row, assuming a 35% solve rate, is about 1 in 23, so we basically witnessed an event that happens approximately 1 in 322 thousand! Probably never going to ever happen again like Cal Ripken's consecutive games streak. In other words, this occurrence was about as rare as a perfect win in Plinko. Two of the three solves were especially impressive with relatively little info showing.
With the explosion in the popularity of Wordle, perhaps for Season 40, Wheel could incorporate some green and yellow letters as possible bonuses, or even tossups.
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This three-in-a-row should really be its own thread, as it's nowhere close to the original topic. Maybe next time, we ought to create a general Season 40 thread just a few days before the season begins. :P
Anyway, that was an amazing three days. The first puzzle VULTURES OVERHEAD was simple enough, but A QUICK FLIGHT was hard...and JUST YOU WAIT was impossible. But all three were solved, and I'm feeling good about the publicity.
When I first started this thread, I thought this was not going to be popular. I am amazed that it is popular. And with 3 $100,000 WINS this week? I am amazed.
I have a feeling Bonus Land is going to be in EXTRA HARD mode tonight. I call the PHRASE/ THING/ WHAT ARE YOU DOING the Raw Deal list. That's what Bree had to deal with in her taped episode. If they put a list with BOTH THING and WHAT ARE YOU DOING in the mix, it spells potential trouble.
As for starting a Wheel of Fortune Season 40 thread in the near future, I am definitely down for that.
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I'm sure that Bonus Wheel was rigged. I don't see how else it could happen. I bet they added more $1K envelopes to the wheel, like they do on Celebrity WOF.
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I'm sure that Bonus Wheel was rigged. I don't see how else it could happen. I bet they added more $1K envelopes to the wheel, like they do on Celebrity WOF.
It's literally a federal crime to rig a game show, if that happened they would all be in jail. There's always been only one $100k envelope on the regular show.
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I'm sure that Bonus Wheel was rigged. I don't see how else it could happen. I bet they added more $1K envelopes to the wheel, like they do on Celebrity WOF.
(https://pyxis.nymag.com/v1/imgs/e54/6cc/b8edcfd6dd79720249b61853c178e8dca5-surejan.rsquare.w700.jpg)
The odds of landing on the $100,000 wedge is one in 13,824, while the odds of three solves in a row, assuming a 35% solve rate, is about 1 in 23, so we basically witnessed an event that happens approximately 1 in 322 thousand!
Not sure how you came up with that math...there is a 1 in 24 chance of landing on the $100,000 envelope as there are 24 spaces on the wheel. Technically, if you look at the way the pegs are laid out, each wedge has 2 different spots you can possibly land on; meaning the odds could be even higher that you land on it.
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I'm sure that Bonus Wheel was rigged. I don't see how else it could happen. I bet they added more $1K envelopes to the wheel, like they do on Celebrity WOF.
Then you're wrong. Period.
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I think sabotaging would be a better word instead of rigging in terms of the Bonus wheel. Sabotage in this case would be adding more $100,000 envelopes to increase the chances, whereas rigging would be to "weigh" the wheel in favor of a big win.
Anyway, as mentioned, neither thing happened. I get this is pretty much unprecedented. That's coupled with several losing streaks in the bonus round. The fact is what occurred has always been a possibility. It was on the level of shocking, but there's literally a chance every night for the big win.
Wheelfan, the number 13,824 represents (or should represent) the chances of 3 $100,000 winners in as many nights, not just one night. That number is correct. 2 spots per wedge is still 1 in 24 (2 in 48 if you want to count each spot)
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I have a feeling Bonus Land is going to be in EXTRA HARD mode tonight. I call the PHRASE/ THING/ WHAT ARE YOU DOING the Raw Deal list. That's what Bree had to deal with in her taped episode. If they put a list with BOTH THING and WHAT ARE YOU DOING in the mix, it spells potential trouble.
The puzzles for each game are predetermined. I’m sure the budget will hurt in the near future, but it definitely won’t show on the rest of this week’s, or its sixth episode.
As a former contestant on the show, any talk of rigging is hilarious to me. Just like we’ve had three way ties on a dollar (much better odds, yes) on Price, this can happen. Personally, having no spoiler knowledge, I hope it happens again tonight.
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I'm sure that Bonus Wheel was rigged. I don't see how else it could happen. I bet they added more $1K envelopes to the wheel, like they do on Celebrity WOF.
Permanent ban.
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I will never understand why it's so difficult for people to understand that game shows aren't rigged. Not everything is a conspiracy, for Christ's sakes.
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I will never understand why it's so difficult for people to understand that game shows aren't rigged. Not everything is a conspiracy, for Christ's sakes.
I guess it’s because some people can’t learn keep suspicions to themselves. And also because they also don’t know it’s been illegal to rig a game show for over 60 years.
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I guess it’s because some people can’t learn keep suspicions to themselves. And also because they also don’t know it’s been illegal to rig a game show for over 60 years.
I'm thinking more don't care than don't know. It is [tooti-fruti] bizarre to see 3 $100,000 wins in a row, let alone 1. There's nothing kooky going on. Just some weird luck.
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I think Pat sums it up well enough.
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If a mod knows how to embed the tweet, have it the edit.
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they've grown used to having EVERYTHING else be rigged
politics, and certain "reality" shows as examples
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Can we please stop arguing rigging or this thread is going to be locked.
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I'm noticing the past couple of shows that the maingame puzzles, well most of them lately has been only on the two middle lines.
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OY. Today's Wheel of Fortune was just unfortunate. AND one category in the Bonus Round has hit 20 losses. DOUBLE OUCH.
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I didn't watch it yet but I'm guessing that means a $100,000 loss? :roll:
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Some news this afternoon from Deadline as Bellamine Blackstone (Deal or No Deal, 1 vs 100, the Press Your Luck revival on ABC, among other shows) is the new co-exec producer of Wheel alongside longtime supervising producer and current interim executive producer Steve Schwartz.
https://deadline.com/2022/03/wheel-of-fortune-bellamie-blackstone-exec-producer-mike-richards-1234984871/
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It makes sense that Michael Davies would have no involvement in Wheel, considering he was never actually running the show. Wish this was cleared up sooner.
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Pat's in hot water on social media once again, as some took offense to him asking Vanna if she's ever watched opera in the buff on last night's episode: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html)
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Pat's in hot water on social media once again, as some took offense to him asking Vanna if she's ever watched opera in the buff on last night's episode: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html)
The key to living a long life is not giving a bloody damn what a few pearl-clutchers on Twitter say. As long as Vanna had no problem with it, there should be no issue here.
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^Agreed, clearly she didn't take issue with the question since they left it in. It's just a silly thing to complain about.
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Pat's in hot water on social media once again, as some took offense to him asking Vanna if she's ever watched opera in the buff on last night's episode: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/viewers-call-wheel-fortune-pat-003336045.html)
Why are there articles like this about Pat like every week? Why does the mass media hate Pat so much? Ever since last season there's always some article about how people on Twitter (whom are apparently WOF "Fans" according to the articles) get offended at something Pat says, not understanding his jokes, or whether a ruling was right or wrong. A few weeks ago Vanna made a comment about making a dish with canned food and Pat jokingly walked off set, and the mass media made it sound like Pat had some kind of on-set outburst.
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Because quite frankly, either Pat's lost his brain-to-mouth filter, or just flat-out doesn't care anymore. Which means he should seriously consider retirement.
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and social media just LOOKS for things to complain about
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Pat has always said goofy and irreverent things. He also used this ____ buff/in the buff joke earlier this year with a male contestant and nobody mentioned much about it. Anything wheel related is fodder for clickbait, not sure exactly why. I guess it's widely recognized which will get folks to click on a pointless "news" article about the show.
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Why are there articles like this about Pat like every week? Why does the mass media hate Pat so much? Ever since last season there's always some article about how people on Twitter (whom are apparently WOF "Fans" according to the articles) get offended at something Pat says, not understanding his jokes, or whether a ruling was right or wrong. A few weeks ago Vanna made a comment about making a dish with canned food and Pat jokingly walked off set, and the mass media made it sound like Pat had some kind of on-set outburst.
Clickbait garbage has existed for years and will thrive well past our expiration dates. The idea this is somehow unique to Pat is absurd. The world, good and bad, does not revolve around Pat and Wheel. For exhibit A, kindly check the equally BS articles about how "fans are outraged" over whatever nonsense it is a few complainers say about Mayim Bialik. Or how any random celebrity shocked fans by doing...I don't know, admitting they don't like apples?
Social media is already a cesspool. These kinds of "articles" lacking even a pretense of journalism just harness that cesspool to sell ads for themselves. They're meaningless garbage.
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Last season we did not break double digits on the $6,000 Final Spins. This season, we already had 11 $6,000 Final Spins. We have less than 38 shows to go in the season.
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Last season we did not break double digits on the $6,000 Final Spins. This season, we already had 11 $6,000 Final Spins. We have less than 38 shows to go in the season.
With 195 episodes per season, and a 1/24 chance of landing on $5,000 wedge on the Final Spin, the expected number of $6,000 Speed-Up rounds is about eight, with a standard deviation of 2.79. The probability of having at least 11 such rounds in a given season is approximately 19.7%.
In layman’s terms, that’s pretty remarkable.
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^technically it’s a 1 in 21, since they throw out Bankrupt and Lose a Turn hits, but it’s more indicative of the contestants being stronger than Pat to get into that range consistently.
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^technically it’s a 1 in 21, since they throw out Bankrupt and Lose a Turn hits, but it’s more indicative of the contestants being stronger than Pat to get into that range consistently.
Very good point. Adjusting to ignore Bankrupts and Lose a Turns, the average number of $5,000 spins are about 9.29, with a standard deviation of about 2.974. The new approximate probability of getting at least 11 spins in a season is 34.15%. So not as notable as last time, but still unusual.
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^technically it’s a 1 in 21, since they throw out Bankrupt and Lose a Turn hits, but it’s more indicative of the contestants being stronger than Pat to get into that range consistently.
1 in 20. Have to factor in Free Play.
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1 in 20. Have to factor in Free Play.
Not anymore, they retired it at the start of this season.
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The contestants may be stronger, but their relative position matters, as does whether there were any game play spins.
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Not anymore, they retired it at the start of this season.
My bad on that one. Still had that chance when Pat was doing the Final Spin.
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I wish in season 40, they updated some of the dollar amounts on the main game wheel, as well as probably adding a $75,000 envelope to the Bonus Round wheel. (heck they did the $75,000 on the celebrity editions)
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Wheel related here, but ABC has renewed Celebrity Wheel of Fortune for a third season as part of the renewals of their reality-based programing.
https://tvline.com/2022/05/13/abc-renewals-reality-series-2022-list-american-idol/
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Celebrity Season 3 will presumably run with syndicated Season 40. I'm thinking when we get to autumn, we could put them together since one is derived from the other.
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also, they MAY be bringing WOF Live back from obscurity https://www.instagram.com/wheeloffortunelive/
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Celebrity Season 3 will presumably run with syndicated Season 40. I'm thinking when we get to autumn, we could put them together since one is derived from the other.
How else would it run? ABC ordered it for the upcoming season so of course it runs concurrent with the syndicated version.
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I just meant if/when we start a new thread here.
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We are close to the end of Wheel of Fortune Season 39.
So far we have 63 wins out of 175 episodes in Bonus Land. Since the contestants now control the final spin, the contestants hit the $5,000 space 12 times.
I believe they do 195 episodes? If so, we only have 4 more weeks left to go.
The categories so far that have the most Bonus Land losses, which I am not surprised at: WHAT ARE YOU DOING (27 losses) and PHRASE (26 losses)
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Following up on the Instagram handle post by GRWHAMMY the 2nd from Friday, Variety has officially confirmed “Wheel of Fortune Live!” The show is slated to begin in Owensboro, Kentucky on September 8, and further information about who the hosts for the tour are and further tour dates for 2023 will be announced in the coming weeks.
https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/wheel-of-fortune-live-tour-1235264127/
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Okay there are only 3 weeks left of Wheel of Fortune Season 39. Once Wheel of Fortune Season 40 starts, I will start a new thread one week before season 40 starts and ask the moderators to close this thread.
Updated stats for Wheel of Fortune season 39: 13 $6,000 Final Spins out of 180 episodes.
Bonus Land Season 39: 65 wins out of 180 episodes.
WHAT ARE YOU DOING: 6 wins/ 27 losses
PHRASE: 18 wins/ 26 losses
THING(S): 3 wins/11 losses
LIVING THING(S) 7 wins/10 losses
FOOD AND DRINK: 8 wins/ 9 losses
PERSON/PEOPLE: 2 wins/8 losses
AROUND THE HOUSE: 4 wins/ 6 losses
WHAT ARE YOU WEARING: 3 wins/ 5 losses
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Just out of curiosity, did you track which of those $6,000 final spins came from which position? I thought for sure we'd never see one from the blue position, since they have to spin the wheel a full revolution *plus* three spaces to get there if Round Four starts as a speed-up, so I was absolutely stunned when someone pulled that feat off a couple week sago.
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Just out of curiosity, did you track which of those $6,000 final spins came from which position? I thought for sure we'd never see one from the blue position, since they have to spin the wheel a full revolution *plus* three spaces to get there if Round Four starts as a speed-up, so I was absolutely stunned when someone pulled that feat off a couple week sago.
Apparently I didn't count from which position. But I'll do that count in Season 40 though.
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Last night's Wheel of Fortune, a historical moment happened. I won't spoil it because I know there are some who didn't watch it.
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Last night's Wheel of Fortune, a historical moment happened. I won't spoil it because I know there are some who didn't watch it.
It was unprecedented. However, I think it would be fair game by 11:00 Eastern & 8:00 Pacific (unless it's an advanced viewing). I'll stay mum as I'm not certain everyone got to see it due to preemptions.
I read elsewhere that the live show is coming back to Western PA. I think I might be able to stop down for it (or could be forced into going which might be a win-win anyway)
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It was unprecedented. However, I think it would be fair game by 11:00 Eastern & 8:00 Pacific (unless it's an advanced viewing). I'll stay mum as I'm not certain everyone got to see it due to preemptions.
I read elsewhere that the live show is coming back to Western PA. I think I might be able to stop down for it (or could be forced into going which might be a win-win anyway)
Hey give us an update if you do eventually go.
Anyways, 11 shows left for Season 39. I can't believe we are saying goodbye to this season. I have to admit I was a bit scared that this thread was going to be locked a couple of months ago due to an unfortunate circumstance which happened on this thread which I'd rather not say on here. At least everybody kept their cool and that's good.
Let's enjoy the final 11 episodes of this season, and we will discuss the overall season once we get there.
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Hi folks, I want to know if anyone remembers what Vanna and pat talking on tonight's episode June 3 2022. I only caught the end of the segment. I know it was about being Vanna fishing and used words hunting and I mostly throwback, a weird combination of word. I cannot I find a video that include them talking, so tell me if anyone remembers and can recap. thanks. some more info, wheel of fortune s39 ep190 Gone Fishin week Friday. June 3 2022
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Only one more week to go peeps for Wheel of Fortune Season 39. We did improve the Bonus Round record slightly: 70 wins out of 190 episodes so far.
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Season 39 of Wheel of Fortune is already in the books!!!! I'll post some stats here later.
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Here are the FINAL Season 39 stats:
Season 39 Bonus Land: 73/195 22 Wild Cards used in Bonus Land. 6 Million Dollar Bonus Rounds out of 195.
Wild Cards forfeited to the Bankrupt: 42. Million Dollar Wedges forfeited to the Bankrupt: 18. $10,000 Mystery Wedges won: 7. 36 $1,000 house main game minumums.
27 Triple Tossup Sweeps
7 $100,000 WINS. Bed and Breakfast week had the 3 consecutive $100,000 wins in a row.
The categories used in Bonus Land Win/Loss ratio:
WHAT ARE YOU DOING: 7 wins/ 28 losses
PHRASE: 19 wins/25 losses
LIVING THING(S): 9 wins/ 12 losses
THING(S): 4 wins/ 11 losses
PLACE(S): 3 wins/ 11 losses
FOOD and DRINK: 7 wins/ 10 losses
EVENT and AROUND THE HOUSE: 4 wins/ 6 losses each
PERSON/PEOPLE: 5 wins/ 6 losses
WHAT ARE YOU WEARING: 3 wins/ 5 losses
SHOW BIZ: 1 win/1 loss
FUN AND GAMES: 5 wins/ 1 loss
IN THE KITCHEN and OCCUPATION: 1 win each.
I'm really surprised THING(S) was picked 15 times. That has to be the most times it was picked in a season since the category selection started in season 35. That category and PLACE(S) tied for the losses which is surprising.
I'm NOT surprised WHAT ARE YOU DOING has the most Bonus Round losses. This is the second consecutive season under the category selection format that this category has been inundated with a lot of losses. Like I stated before picking THING(S) OR WHAT ARE YOU DOING for Bonus Land is often a bad move.
PHRASE has the most wins. I'm surprised my favorite category LIVING THING(S) was second in wins this season.
$40,000 for the minimum next season. We had 13 $6,000 final spins, which was an improvement from last season.
Allright peeps, this thread will remain open for the rest of the summer. One week before season 40 Wheel of Fortune, I will start a new thread, and moderators who read this current thread, feel free to close this thread one week before season 40 begins. Season 39 Wheel of Fortune is wrapped up for good.
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How many $0 Prize Puzzle wins? (A late friend of mine used to track those, and would give the contestant hell when they'd do it)
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9821 — Today at 1:13 PM
33 solves with no money
of those 21 went onto the bonus round
and of those 21, the BR record is 11-10
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9821 — Today at 1:13 PM
33 solves with no money
of those 21 went onto the bonus round
and of those 21, the BR record is 11-10
David would be rolling in his grave at those numbers... thank you
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^Personally, I think if you're going to have the Prize Puzzle, don't add the value of the trip/prize to that contestant's total (just simply give them the prize as a bonus, and that's it). For example, on the '80s $25K/$100K Pyramid, whenever a contestant won the 7-11 $1,100 bonus, that was not factored into their winning total to determine the winner that day (only money won in the Winner's Circle counted).
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Questions for people on here: What have been your takeaways from Season 39, now that it's been over since Friday? What did you like and didn't like about this season?
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I liked that they brought back Changing Keys and changed up the set getting rid of the video backdrop behind the contestants. More airtime for Jim was also nice. Overall it was a good season and an improvement over the last few seasons.
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Questions for people on here: What have been your takeaways from Season 39, now that it's been over since Friday? What did you like and didn't like about this season?
Obviously the seven $100,000 wins, the Bed and Breakfast week was the best week of them all.
I was a little stunned that more people started picking THING(S) for Bonus Land. 15 times has got to be a record for a season ever since the category selection started in Season 35.
Almost 85% of the WHAT ARE YOU DOING puzzles were nasty NASTY NASTY in Bonus Land. I'm not surprised this category got the most Bonus Round losses.
They didn't use OCCUPATION, SHOW BIZ, and IN THE KITCHEN that much as choices in Bonus Land. I wish they actually used it more.
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^Season 37 was abbreviated, and Thing(s) was chosen 16 times.
In short, I think productionwise, from the reworked introduction, to the set glow-up, to giving Pat, Vanna, Jim, and Maggie more room to talk, the overall show is better than it's been in a long while. However, the game itself has been more polarizing this season: you do have the highs of the record-breaking $100k wins and the bonus for sweeping the Triple Toss-Up is nice, while it feels like the puzzlewriting, rulings, and number of missolves has regressed from even last season.
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^Personally, I think if you're going to have the Prize Puzzle, don't add the value of the trip/prize to that contestant's total (just simply give them the prize as a bonus, and that's it). For example, on the '80s $25K/$100K Pyramid, whenever a contestant won the 7-11 $1,100 bonus, that was not factored into their winning total to determine the winner that day (only money won in the Winner's Circle counted).
Most contestants win the game with about $17,000. If the values of prize puzzle trips weren't added, we'd see too many people winning the game with only $7-8,000.
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It seems the remaining game shows like to use puffed up trips as prizes. Price is infamous for their trips with useless frills like a limo ride or something silly like that.
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It seems the remaining game shows like to use puffed up trips as prizes. Price is infamous for their trips with useless frills like a limo ride or something silly like that.
...useless to you, attractive to others.
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I heard the puzzleboard has been updated for season 40. Excited that the new season starts airing next month.
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Just checked the Buy a Vowel boards. One person confirmed that the new puzzle board is completely different.
Starting next month I'll start the season 40 thread for Wheel of Fortune.
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Well since season 39 is already done and the season 40 post just started, it's time to lock this thread for good.