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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: Drew72 on September 11, 2019, 11:33:33 PM
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I've been watching some of the episodes from the 70's and 80's on YouTube and really miss the old music cues. They remixed the Bean Stalker cue several years back and I'm glad they still use it currently (or at least in season 47). I really think they could use some of the other older ones or remix them and incorporate them into the show now. Many of the newer ones are so vanilla and not really memorable. There's just a certain feel that the older cues have that make it feel like The Price is Right.
Any favorites out there you'd like to see used again or remixed for the current show?
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I've been watching some of the episodes from the 70's and 80's on YouTube and really miss the old music cues. They remixed the Bean Stalker cue several years back and I'm glad they still use it currently (or at least in season 47). I really think they could use some of the other older ones or remix them and incorporate them into the show now. Many of the newer ones are so vanilla and not really memorable. There's just a certain feel that the older cues have that make it feel like The Price is Right.
Any favorites out there you'd like to see used again or remixed for the current show?
I think the reason we hear so much library music now instead of the tasteful cues of yesteryear is because they're cheaper than continuing to pay licensing fees to Score Productions and Killer Tracks, and they fit in with more of the generic-style music you hear on other modern shows. As much as I adore the older cues, I think the modern audience probably wouldn't receive them as well as those of us who grew up hearing them, and I'm not sure they'd fit that well with the show's overall aesthetic.
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They use a remixed version of the original theme song. They use a remixed version of Walking for the "come on down" segments. I think remixed versions of prize cues would fit in just fine. I'm not sure about licensing costs, but I imagine the bland ones they use aren't free. I feel like using some variation of older cues would mean a lot to us LFATs and could be done tastefully to match the current feel of the show.
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Some cues I'd like to see remixed or used again:
Certain cues from the 2003 music package. Those have seen discontinued use over the past 6 or 7 years.
Spring Waltz remix which was once regularly used for the 1st small prize in Plinko
The old Temptation prize cues
1974 & 1976 cues that were once regularly used for furniture or rooms.
"Funk" cue once often used for small prizes in Spelling Bee, Secret X, etc.
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They use a remixed version of the original theme song. They use a remixed version of Walking for the "come on down" segments. I think remixed versions of prize cues would fit in just fine. I'm not sure about licensing costs, but I imagine the bland ones they use aren't free. I feel like using some variation of older cues would mean a lot to us LFATs and could be done tastefully to match the current feel of the show.
The main theme and Walking aren't in quite the same category as the prize cues though. And I'm not at all a fan of the remixed versions of the old cues they're using--if anything they sound worse than the originals. I agree using the old cues would mean a lot to us LFaTs, but diehards like us aren't their target audience, so that doesn't mean anything. (I still don't agree that the old prize cues go with the current feel of the show though. What they're using for music now fits with the aesthetic of 2019 television and with the general look and feel.)
As for library music not being free, remember, neither are the old cues, and I'll wager the library music they use now is a lot cheaper than Score's fees were. Remember, there are business concerns behind every creative decision they make. I'm sure they didn't stop using the old music
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I have a hard time buying into the notion that licensing the old cues would be too cost prohibitive.
For one, unless Fremantle produced the current library in-house, there are almost certainly recurring licensing fees going to the rights holder.
Second, the majority of old cues were produced specifically for Price. They have very little use or value for any other show or production, and for that reason, Price should have the upper hand in any negotiating scenario. Either the library can remain on the shelf with no money being made at all, or Price can use it for a reasonable rate. Some money seems better than no money at all. 🤷🏻♂️
(If nothing else, Fremantle could just straight up purchase the library, if the option to do so is actually feasible.)
Also, I still maintain the old cues would work today, and my argument is only strengthened by the current nostalgia wave, both in television and across society in general. We have old game shows that have been resurrected, shows like 90210 back on the air — all the way to Pizza Hut bringing back their classic logo!
The show has nothing to lose, either. No one is going to stop watching because the show plays Splendido during the Showcases. They might tune in, however, for the nostalgic throwback, and I point to all of the comments on Price’s social media after the throwback episode aired a couple years back as proof that many people — not just us LFATs — want to hear the old cues again.
If fans want it, I don’t see the harm in trying. If the reaction isn’t as positive as desired, then discontinue use. 🤔
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While licensing fees could be what keeps Fremantle from reintroducing older cues, there is also the cost of having them all remastered from mono to stereo.
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While licensing fees could be what keeps Fremantle from reintroducing older cues, there is also the cost of having them all remastered from mono to stereo.
They wouldn't necessarily have to do that. They use the tail end of the 1975 version of The Feud every time the Grand Game is played. It's not in stereo.
Speaking of that... how is it that a 44 year old cue can still be used to introduce a game? Wouldn't that screw up the "feel" of the modern, current show in 2019?
I think not.
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Speaking of that... how is it that a 44 year old cue can still be used to introduce a game? Wouldn't that screw up the "feel" of the modern, current show in 2019?
I think not.
Don't be a smartass. A stinger that's heard for five seconds once in a while when they play Grand Game isn't the same as music that's heard every act, and for a lot longer each time at that.
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I suspect the vast majority of the viewers don’t pay much, if any, attention to what music is being played behind the prize descriptions. Given that, if the current library music is cheaper than the old stuff, that’s probably the primary reason.
I assure you almost no one knows that the intro to Grand Game is the final 6 measures of the Family Feud theme.
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Don't be a smartass. A stinger that's heard for five seconds once in a while when they play Grand Game isn't the same as music that's heard every act, and for a lot longer each time at that.
I'm not being a smart ass. My point is that the producers are going to do what they want, when they want. We can speculate the reasons why, but if some "big-wig" wants throw-back music cues, I doubt that factors like being in stereo are really going to stop them. Perfectly good prize music is just sitting on a shelf and it wouldn't hurt the feel of this 47 year old show to throw it in once in a while.
BTW... Have you guys noticed how ABC's Card Sharks is using a remixed version of the 1970's theme song?
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I'm not being a smart ass. My point is that the producers are going to do what they want, when they want. We can speculate the reasons why, but if some "big-wig" wants throw-back music cues, I doubt that factors like being in stereo are really going to stop them. Perfectly good prize music is just sitting on a shelf and it wouldn't hurt the feel of this 47 year old show to throw it in once in a while.
So...you're complaining that all this is speculative...when you're the one who started the speculation in question. If you're not being a smartass, the list doesn't get any more pleasant from there.
BTW... Have you guys noticed how ABC's Card Sharks is using a remixed version of the 1970's theme song?
Yes. We noticed it the same night that we noticed that ABC's Press Your Luck is using a remixed version of the 1980s theme.
I haven't heard Card Sharks' updated theme, but if it's anything like PYL's, it's an example of a modern remix done right. I have heard Pyramid's, and it sounds pretty good too. Price's main theme and Walking are also examples of modern remixes done right.
The remixed prize cues are examples of modern remixes done wrong. (VERY wrong in my opinion.) Say what you will about the library music...it sounds very cheap, and very bland, but it isn't grating like the remixes were/are. If it came down to a choice between more modern remixes done wrong, or library music that I can tolerate, it's not a hard choice.
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So...you're complaining that all this is speculative...when you're the one who started the speculation in question. If you're not being a smartass, the list doesn't get any more pleasant from there.
I'm not complaining... This thread was started because I thought it would be nice if they brought back retro music cues in some form. People are speculating why they haven't, which is fine, and part of the natural progression of the discussion.
Yes. We noticed it the same night that we noticed that ABC's Press Your Luck is using a remixed version of the 1980s theme.
I haven't hard Card Sharks' updated theme, but if it's anything like PYL's, it's an example of a modern remix done right. I have heard Pyramid's, and it sounds pretty good too. Price's main theme and Walking are also examples of modern remixes done right.
The remixed prize cues are examples of modern remixes done wrong. (VERY wrong in my opinion.) Say what you will about the library music...it sounds very cheap, and very bland, but it isn't grating like the remixes were/are. If it came down to a choice between more modern remixes done wrong, or library music that I can tolerate, it's not a hard choice.
I agree 100% with what you said.
Those are modern remixes done right. Some (if not all) of Price's cue remixes are chopped up and edited poorly. I just think it would be nice to hear some throw-back cues (either original, or remixed well) from time to time. And again, that was the point of the thread.
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I'm not complaining... This thread was started because I thought it would be nice if they brought back retro music cues in some form. People are speculating why they haven't, which is fine, and part of the natural progression of the discussion.
This thread (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,30404.0.html) was started because someone thought it would be a good idea for a TPiR board game to come out. We see the trainwreck that turned into. I for one would appreciate if these "it would be nice if" threads took a break for a while, especially on things that have virtually no chance of happening.
I just think it would be nice to hear some throw-back cues (either original, or remixed well) from time to time. And again, that was the point of the thread.
Very well. You told us what you felt. The point of this thread has been achieved. We've explained the likely business reasons why they're doing what they're doing. I don't particularly see a point to debating or speculating about something that's extremely unlikely to happen, especially after the board game thread.
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Good God, not another thread that I see a lock coming on. We've got to be setting a record for these lately.
Look, they update the cues to be fresh. Once in awhile, you might hear a classic cue (usually on a show where classic themes are revisited) but that'd be it.
It's just like every long-running show that once in awhile updates its music cues. Radio shows, such as "American Top 40" and "American Country Countdown" (first two that come to my mind) did it. "Wheel Of Fortune" has done it many times ... and the list goes on.
It's just their way of keeping things fresh. That's the best way I can put it.
Brian
Edit to add: As far as the "it would be nice if ... " threads, yes I agree: I second ThomHuge and think it would be nice if they take a break for awhile. The discussions are nice once in awhile -- and yes, I've probably commented on them too -- but it seems several of these threads have been started by members who have virtually no understanding about how marketing, sales, etc., work ... and the more you try to help them understand that an idea is not viable or otherwise won't happen, or break the concepts down into terms they can understand it's ... well, counterproductive (i.e., said posters get flustered, perhaps upset and dig in and really become adamant that their idea will work and that it's the greatest thing since sliced bread).
Sorry, had to vent a little.
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Very well. You told us what you felt. The point of this thread has been achieved. We've explained the likely business reasons why they're doing what they're doing. I don't particularly see a point to debating or speculating about something that's extremely unlikely to happen, especially after the board game thread.
Ok, no train off the rails here.
Not really sure how this is much different than a thread asking "Which games would you like to see played more often?" We've all got a right to express what direction we'd like to see the show take (or not take). If someone states they'd like to see Plinko played more often, and then someone else says it's already played enough, and here are the financial reasons why... I don't think that's a reason to end the entire discussion about frequency of games.
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And just a friendly reminder, the original post ends with "Any favorites out there you'd like to see used again or remixed for the current show?" Not "Let's debate the financial repercussions of using old music cues".
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And I'm not at all a fan of the remixed versions of the old cues they're using--if anything they sound worse than the originals.
Agreed! Remixes are not necessarily better.
But almost none of the newer music I've heard have any kind of real sound or melody at all...they're mostly just rhythm beds with no personality at all. Most of us like the old cues because they actually had some personality.
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Great point Promoman! When I watch old episodes I find myself humming along with the prize music. New episodes, not so much, because there's no real melody anymore.
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Not really sure how this is much different than a thread asking "Which games would you like to see played more often?" We've all got a right to express what direction we'd like to see the show take (or not take). If someone states they'd like to see Plinko played more often, and then someone else says it's already played enough, and here are the financial reasons why... I don't think that's a reason to end the entire discussion about frequency of games.
Try starting a thread with that very question. Every time something like that happens, Poster A says they want Their Game played more often...Poster B says they can't play Their Game more often because it's tougher to force a win or a loss and is therefore potentially budget-busting...Poster A retorts that they're just expressing their opinion and they have a right to it.
(Edit: what Briguy said.)
Or it could turn into another Board Game thread. "I want this to happen, and I'm just going to keep pushing the notion no matter how improbable or unrealistic it is."
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And just a friendly reminder, the original post ends with "Any favorites out there you'd like to see used again or remixed for the current show?" Not "Let's debate the financial repercussions of using old music cues".
And just a friendly reminder, you don't get to open a can of worms like this and then complain about what you get. Especially when there are (likely) actual business considerations behind why what you want isn't happening.
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But almost none of the newer music I've heard have any kind of real sound or melody at all...they're mostly just rhythm beds with no personality at all. Most of us like the old cues because they actually had some personality.
This is what makes them so cheap...they sound like almost no effort went into making them. It's possible we're just hearing the underscores to more complete themes, but still.
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Abandoning the classic music cues has, for me, been the biggest-ever blow to the show except Drew replacing Bob as host.
There's a reason the classic cues endured for decades: They WORK. The melodies, the harmonies, and the sheer catchiness of most of them were hard to beat. They paired beautifully with Johnny's (later Rod's) voiceovers, too -- the cadence & flow just felt "right."
The newer cues simply don't work to create any sort of atmosphere or show tone. Period.
I would argue that other shows suffered similar declines when they got away from the original music:
STAR TREK -- Music for the original series was wonderful, and good enough for a complete CD soundtrack release a few years ago. None of the subsequent Star Trek series had music remotely as good. Boring & bland instead of melodic & memorable.
LOST IN SPACE -- Same. The original series was propelled by a slew of exciting music (OK, they got lucky by hiring some guy named John Williams, but still ...) The new Netflix series? Bet you can't hum much of its music.
FAMILY FEUD -- Why isn't the current series using any of the '70s cue variations, or redux versions of them? Really boring to use just the main theme over & over again throughout each episode.
Music can make or break a show. In the case of current TPIR, it's not exactly making it.
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There's a reason the classic cues endured for decades: They WORK. The melodies, the harmonies, and the sheer catchiness of most of them were hard to beat. They paired beautifully with Johnny's (later Rod's) voiceovers, too -- the cadence & flow just felt "right."
All of those are perfectly valid creative reasons. Valid, but creativity always takes a back seat to business concerns.
The newer cues simply don't work to create any sort of atmosphere or show tone. Period.
You're right, they don't, but I suspect that's part of why they're using them. Aside from the fact that they're probably cheaper, something bland and toneless would be more likely to slip past most viewers--there as "audio wallpaper," but not noticeable enough to spark and objection from anyone. It smacks of a marketing decision to make the show appeal to the broadest base possible.
STAR TREK -- Music for the original series was wonderful, and good enough for a complete CD soundtrack release a few years ago. None of the subsequent Star Trek series had music remotely as good. Boring & bland instead of melodic & memorable.
Fred Steiner and Alexander Courage composed music that was appropriate for the era. It was cheesy, it was low-cost (TOS had a notoriously low budget, and it got worse in seasons two and three), and it fit the not-too-serious tone of the show.
When TNG came along, initially Ron Jones composed music in similar vein to the classic composers...which didn't sit well with the higher-ups at Paramount, which is why Ron Jones was out after season three. His composing style is a lot better suited to cartoons (his Ducktales music is perfect) than live-action. Some of his work from TNG was good, and a lot of his season one stuff fit the tone, but from season two on when TNG came into its own his music was too much and it was distracting. He refused to tone it down despite repeated talkings-to by his bosses (including some purportedly raw arguments with Rick Berman), and so we have the tonal shift to the more subtle music in the later seasons.
TNG is widely regarded as coming into its own in its third season, and arguably it just got better as a show from then on. And I for one love the more subtle music that came from folks like Dennis McCarthy and Jay Chattaway; even David Bell's more atmospheric stuff was appropriate for the more lighthearted episodes.
LOST IN SPACE -- Same. The original series was propelled by a slew of exciting music (OK, they got lucky by hiring some guy named John Williams, but still ...) The new Netflix series? Bet you can't hum much of its music.
If you listen to any sci-fi composers discuss their work, you'll hear them all say the same thing: they only really get to shine during selected moments, like establishing shots or during scene changes. The rest of the time their job is to support the action onscreen, not distract from it by being too over-the-top. I have the OST for the new Netflix series, and even though I admittedly couldn't hum any of the cues without repeated listens, I did really enjoy the show itself. I shouldn't be so engrossed in the music that I can't pay attention to what I'm watching, so to me that means Christopher Lennertz did his job.
FAMILY FEUD -- Why isn't the current series using any of the '70s cue variations, or redux versions of them? Really boring to use just the main theme over & over again throughout each episode.
Simple--they're doing it because it's cheap. Using one cue (and not even in its entirety at that) can't be costing them a lot of money. Feud is syndicated so I could see the producers wanting to pinch pennies anytime they can. (I've said it before, with the bland daytime set the show even looks cheap to me. The lack of musical variety strikes me as just one more symptom of the problem.)
Music can make or break a show. In the case of current TPIR, it's not exactly making it.
Except...it's not exactly breaking it either. They're clearly looking to walk the line between being tonal and atmospheric like they used to be, and giving their show an appeal to the widest possible audience. They're doing the latter by removing elements that might be seen as, among other things, "too dated." I think we can see the same thing by the refurbishments they're giving the games--they're making them more period-appropriate for 2019, while still preserving the original function.
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Abandoning the classic music cues has, for me, been the biggest-ever blow to the show except Drew replacing Bob as host.
I would argue that other shows suffered similar declines when they got away from the original music:
Music can make or break a show. In the case of current TPIR, it's not exactly making it.
Might I add--this is part of why I think "it would be nice" threads need to take a hiatus. These statements are more about hyperbole than fact. "The biggest-ever blow"..."similar declines when they got away from the original music"..."music can make or break a show...it's not exactly making TPiR." Not one of these statements appears particularly well thought-out; yes I get that it's LarryC's opinion and he's entitled to it, but a lot of this reads like "I dislike it so it's by definition terrible."
Particularly in Star Trek's case...the fact that the prime franchise continued under the same composers from 1990 all the way to 2005 serves as a pretty good indicator that they were doing something right with the less-pronounced music. I don't think you'll find many facts to support the argument that the franchise was in decline, at least not until Enterprise in 2001. (And at that point, ironically, one of the biggest complaints actually WAS the theme song...emphasis on "song".)
The theme was part of the attempted solution to a problem they'd had for years, namely the feeling that the franchise had largely run its course, and at that point they were trying to breathe new life into it any way they could. It seems like it's generally accepted that Enterprise was ultimately a failure, and the theme song was definitely a negative factor, but to date I've never really hard complaints about the episodic scores.
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Worth noting, we're the only ones that even have a term or concept for "classic cues."
The original music is, what I would call, "substantial." It holds character and an (mostly) unique identity for the show. It's an audible logo. That said, a poorly remixed classic cue--in my opinion--is better than stock music. Which should the producers prefer using: a piece of music unique and identifiable as theirs, or stock music that could be heard two minutes later during a carpet cleaning commercial.
And yes, there have been commercials that used the same Killer Tracks music as Price, maybe even during the show (or at least on CBS). It was slightly confusing the first time I heard it.
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The original music is, what I would call, "substantial." It holds character and an (mostly) unique identity for the show. It's an audible logo.
That was what always impressed me so much about the old suites by Edd Kalehoff; there always seemed to be a ton of music, but it all fit together really well. "Audible logo" is a terrific term for it.
That said, a poorly remixed classic cue--in my opinion--is better than stock music. Which should the producers prefer using: a piece of music unique and identifiable as theirs, or stock music that could be heard two minutes later during a carpet cleaning commercial.
This is debatable, ultimately because it all depends on what makes a remix "poor." If the remixed cue is too loud, arguably that's got more to do with sound levels than with the music itself--but if it's a grating piece with an uneven melody and competes too much with the vocals above it (basically turning into a choice between "turn it up so people can hear it and drown out George" or "balance for George and make the cue basically unhearable on TV"), it's arguably better to use library music. Again, arguably, the main theme and Walking--which are re-orchestrated but functionally unchanged from the Barker version--can provide the show its musical identity. It's what I'd be listening for if I was channel surfing and happened across the show.
Personally, if I were in charge of music and I had to make that choice, this is what it would come down to, irrespective of the cost involved, and assuming there was some overriding business reason why I couldn't use the actual original cues: "I can use this remix of a classic cue that sounds like an attempt to re-imagine the old music for the new era, but doesn't really sound all that good to me...or I can use library music that's a little more subtle. If I use the bad cue, I'm catering to classic fans, but I'm also taking a chance that someone passing my show for a few seconds while channel surfing won't tune out again because what they hear is grating to them. If I use the library cue, it's more generic, less likely to offend, and at least probably won't turn off a casual channel-surfer. It might not pander to the oldschool fans, but it shouldn't alienate them either."
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Honestly, as much as the classic cues are timeless pieces of music that defined the show for many years, they don't really fit in anymore. Those cues were an integral part of Bob Barker's The Price is Right... which ended twelve years ago.
I watched a bunch of Season 36 episodes on Youtube over the summer, and going back to them over a decade later, they're actually really difficult to watch. Sure, the show still felt like the classic era more than it does now, but it was just that... it felt like Drew Carey was hosting Bob Barker's show. It was super awkward, and Drew looked like he just didn't belong. If they had continued in that direction, the show wouldn't have remained relevant.
Fortunately this is no longer the case. This is Drew Carey's show now. Drew Carey's show has a different feel than Bob Barker's. Things that were done years ago don't work anymore.
That being said, the issue I have with most of the new cues is that they're stock production music the show bought, probably cheaply, to use as prize cues. The old cues, meanwhile, were composed for the show, with each composition having specific uses- for example, Beanstalker and Big Banana were car cues, Rye Bred was typically used for Clock Game, Starcrossed for multiprize games, particularly Credit Card, among others. Nowadays they just shove cues wherever, and many of them don't really fit.
The show would have been far better off- and still would be- hiring someone to compose entirely new cues solely for the show. Let the show continue to develop its own identity. Make the music an iconic part of the show again, and make the cues become recognizable as Price is Right music.
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This is Drew Carey's show now. Drew Carey's show has a different feel than Bob Barker's. Things that were done years ago don't work anymore.
This really could apply to a thread a couple of weeks ago about game show elements that some members said they miss about game shows, with some of the comments being more or less minor changes to TPiR pricing games that don't really affect gameplay (e.g., use of symbols, photos, etc., in lieu or numbers representing an incorrect price in Cover Up).
Point: My take on discussions like these is that there seems to be a segment of G-R's membership board that -- at least in my opinion -- seem to think TPiR is a sacred format and that the WWBD ("What Would Bob Do") school of thought is the only way to produce and execute their favorite game show.
In essence, the replacement of classic cues with the newer cues -- nondescript or whatever you want to call them -- does again become (for fans of the classic cues) the TV Trope "They changed it, now it sucks!"
(Sorry if that's off the cuff and rambly, but those are just some thoughts off the top of my head in response to therealcu2010.)
Brian
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Drew has hosted for over 10 years now and I think most have adjusted to the fact Bob Barker is not at the helm anymore. I've embraced the Carey era and actually like some of the changes made. My point is that the older cues with melodies added something to the show that seems to be missing now, and that's too bad.
It's not the 1980s anymore, but there's nothing wrong with throwing in some retro music here and there for nostalgia. I think that's why many of the game shows that exist today are using the same theme song melodies they did in the 70s and 80s even though the hosts and set designs have changed over the years.
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My point is that the older cues with melodies added something to the show that seems to be missing now, and that's too bad.
No one disagrees with the fundaments of your point--older cues with melodies did add something to the show that's missing now. It's missing because the people who make the show don't see it as worthwhile to have anymore.
It's not the 1980s anymore, but there's nothing wrong with throwing in some retro music here and there for nostalgia. I think that's why many of the game shows that exist today are using the same theme song melodies they did in the 70s and 80s even though the hosts and set designs have changed over the years.
It's not the 1980s anymore, so there's no sense in trying to pretend that it is. And you keep trying to compare theme songs to in-show music, which is not the same thing. Shows from the 80s are using their classic themes to draw in fans of those old shows--something Whammy in particular failed at with their music, which to this day sounds to me like it was bought from a stock library and didn't in any way remind me of the 1980s show. For that matter it wasn't terribly memorable, and it was only after I forced myself to listen to it repeatedly that I could finally remember the tune.
Establishing the main musical identity for a show isn't the same thing as the music you hear during the show itself. What people really pay attention to is the main theme. Everything else takes a backseat to that. Everything else.
I'm tired of trying to tiptoe around this in hopes that you'll realize it yourself, so I'm just going to say it: what you keep trying to push as "nostalgia" is what could easily be called "out of date" by others. I think folks here that say no one really pays attention to the music are mostly correct--but the people I've heard mention the older music in real life call it "quaint" and "dated." No one will say that about the music they have now. It decreases the likelihood that someone will hear what sounds to them like an outdated piece of music, decide the show's not "with it" enough, and tune out.
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I'm just gonna throw an idea out here: Has anyone tried actually playing the old cues during a newer show?
'Cause I do it on a regular basis (and yes, I know that's ridiculous, so let's just skip that part of the discussion), and it honestly doesn't sound out of place at all.
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I'm just gonna throw an idea out here: Has anyone tried actually playing the old cues during a newer show?
'Cause I do it on a regular basis (and yes, I know that's ridiculous, so let's just skip that part of the discussion), and it honestly doesn't sound out of place at all.
Nice! LOL... That's why you're the Man!
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I'm just gonna throw an idea out here: Has anyone tried actually playing the old cues during a newer show?
Yes, I have.
'Cause I do it on a regular basis (and yes, I know that's ridiculous, so let's just skip that part of the discussion), and it honestly doesn't sound out of place at all.
That's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I, however, don't entirely agree.
Out of all the ones available on TVPMM, only a couple of them seem like they'd still work. Most of those are from the 1994 package from the Davidson show (and a bunch of those have the same general flavor as the library music they use as it is);
Nice! LOL... That's why you're the Man!
We'll look back on this as the moment when I stopped taking you seriously.
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Nice! LOL... That's why you're the Man!
We'll look back on this as the moment when I stopped taking you seriously.
No need to look back... I look at this right now and realize you have zero sense of humor.
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All right, let's not make this personal guys. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. Stay on track please!
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I'm just gonna throw an idea out here: Has anyone tried actually playing the old cues during a newer show?
'Cause I do it on a regular basis (and yes, I know that's ridiculous, so let's just skip that part of the discussion), and it honestly doesn't sound out of place at all.
This got me curious, so I overlaid some cues from 1976 over the current ones from a recent episode. I don't think it sounds that out of place either. Here's the video for those wanting to listen.
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This got me curious, so I overlaid some cues from 1976 over the current ones from a recent episode. I don't think it sounds that out of place either. Here's the video for those wanting to listen.
Nice. First one makes me want to go for a dip in the hot tub.
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That was painful to me; completely out of sync with where things are in 2019.
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I'll just chime in. I'd like to remind everyone that this episode happened:
Overall, I feel like the classic cues worked the majority of the time, but there were times where the cue clashed with the flashy set. I feel that is going to be a problem if we just simply brought back the classic cues. However, I certainly would appreciate newer cues created specifically for the show, but I don't think that's in the realm of possibility.
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^ That video makes me pine for the classic versions of the main theme and "Walking," with an honorable mention to Dig We Must. All of them seem to work quite well with all the modern accoutrements. And hearing the classic Walking again, I hadn't realized how little of the 2007 remix you can actually hear on the air--about the only thing audible over the audience noise is the drums.
As for the regular cues...some of them work better than others. Bhen and Splendido worked really well where they were, but some of the others felt VERY out of place. Maybe it's just me but adding to the problem is that some of them felt like they were being used in different capacities than they used to be. Also maybe just me, but it felt like they skipped over some of the better ones in favor of the "funkier" ones that literally scream "I'm from the 1980s, listen to me!"...kind of the opposite problem to what we have with the library music today.
Use of the classic cues is something that has to be done right in order to work, just like remixing classic music for the modern day. This is an episode that gets is maybe 50% right--unfortunately nowhere near a passing grade, and rather than nostalgia, what the cues here caused was distraction.
That's one thing they inarguably don't have to worry about with the library music--there's not enough there to be distracted by.
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My two cents - I can see how the mellower cues for things like one-bids and grocery items might be seen as too "quaint" for the current show. But some of the really energetic cues like Bean Stalker, Big Banana, and MG/HS would still work wonderfully. They still convey excitement and fun in a way that I don't think the new cues do, plus they fit in really well with the remixed classic themes still in use, and the overall bright and retro-flavored presentation of the show. I would indeed say these types of cues would add to the show's "audible logo", so to speak.
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I thought Match Game/Hollywood Squares was a good cue to add a bit of excitement when a sports car or equally nice prize was offered.