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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: pricefan18 on June 21, 2020, 06:19:07 PM
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Thinking about this revisiting the finale of that show and responding to a comment that was posted in connection to the question of why Bob didn't do that show, in lieu of Tom Kennedy. Obviously anyone here knows why he didn't, he simply didn't want that added obligation on top of his daytime duties, but nonetheless it brought to mind this question. If he HAD, how long a run could it have had alongside its' morning counterpart?
It's been shown several times, from both the Dawson and Combs era Feuds and Wheel in this very same period actually, that a second version of the same show with the same host tends to do as well (and in Wheel's case, ultimately far better), than the one it was launched off of. With Barker being at basically his peak as a host at this time in the mid 80's, I could see it having quite a long run. The only thing I'd wonder is, with the market for shows being what it was at the time (something Kennedy's Price struggled with due in large part to Wheel and Jeopardy's emerging as the nighttime powerhouse they'd be for decades to come), could that have impacted what the show coulda done even with Bob's star power carrying it.
I still think though had he taken that job in conjunction with his normal role in daytime, it coulda only helped the show. Just how long a run it coulda had I am not sure, but I could see it at least reaching into the 90's potentially. What do you all think?
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In my market Price was shown at 7:30 PM for the entire season. It's main competition here was the second season of Jeopardy!, which just took over the time slot held many years by Family Feud. Price was, more likely, not going to beat shows thst were just starting to get headway into syndication such as Wheel, Jeopardy, Hour Magazine, etc.
I was a loyal viewer of syndicated Price, but I understood why Bob didn't host and I actually didn't miss him here. I sincerely doubt his hosting would have helped the ratings any. Tom Kennedy was quite good on the show.
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In my market Price was shown at 7:30 PM for the entire season. It's main competition here was the second season of Jeopardy!, which just took over the time slot held many years by Family Feud. Price was, more likely, not going to beat shows thst were just starting to get headway into syndication such as Wheel, Jeopardy, Hour Magazine, etc.
Feud was still running in a Best Of series in 85-86 too wasn't it? Just remembering that, that coulda no doubt hampered Price's ability to gain a foothold as well.
And incidentally, what would Price have been paired with in your market? Wheel or something else altogether?
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Feud was still running in a Best Of series in 85-86 too wasn't it? Just remembering that, that coulda no doubt hampered Price's ability to gain a foothold as well.
And incidentally, what would Price have been paired with in your market? Wheel or something else altogether?
Feud was still running, but our market had dropped it at the end of its last season of new episodes. Headline Chasers took over Jeopardy's old time slot at 5:30PM.
Actually Price had the perfect partner in my market: The first season of The $100,000 Pyramid. Pyramid actually held its own against Wheel of Fortune and Entertainment Tonight.
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Price being on for an hour every morning didn't help the '85 nightly TPIR. It was too much. Also Wheel and Jeopardy were hitting their stride at the time in prime access making it harder for Kennedy Price to get established.
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Of course speculation, but I suspect the outcome might not have been significantly different. It wasn’t that long before that the original nighttime version had faded away. Not blaming the powers that be for giving it another go, but fundamentally it may just have reached the point where an additional version in early fringe or access slots just wasn’t going to work.
The competition from the lightning in a bottle of Wheel and then Jeopardy made it tougher. Nor did having then-fresher competitors for time slots like Entertainment Tonight. Sure, Price snagged some time periods that looked good on paper but sometimes were on stations that struggled against a more dominant competitor.
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It should be mentioned that A LOT of game shows premired in syndication in the fall of 1985 (The Price is Right, $100,000 Pyramid, The New Newlywed Game, $ale of the Century, Headline Chasers, Catch Phrase, etc.) Wheel of Fortune had helped knock off some of the older guard of Tic Tac Dough, The Joker's Wild and Family Feud. Another show that had great prime access slots, The PM/Evening Magazine franchise, was starting to die off because local station managers did not want to provide content for shows when they could simply air a show already packaged. Many producers thought that this was their chance to get a prime access foothold. The one-two punch of Wheel and Jeopardy proved otherwise.
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Indeed. It was a free for all of sorts—lots of scrambling, and King World stayed atop the heap. And then there was Oprah—and some parallels in the early fringe slots. History repeating itself in broad strokes.
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It should be mentioned that A LOT of game shows premired in syndication in the fall of 1985 (The Price is Right, $100,000 Pyramid, The New Newlywed Game, $ale of the Century, Headline Chasers, Catch Phrase, etc.) Wheel of Fortune had helped knock off some of the older guard of Tic Tac Dough, The Joker's Wild and Family Feud. Many producers thought that this was their chance to get a prime access foothold. The one-two punch of Wheel and Jeopardy proved otherwise.
Probably helps explain why I hardly ever saw many gameshows after 1985-1986, which left me with USA and then eventually old-school GSN for my gameshow fix (reruns more than not but better than nothing). Never expected today's Family Feud to be the one to stop Wheel & Jeopardy's run. In stopping them I mean beat them in ratings, as WoF and Jeopardy are still around & doing very well. I'll never forget being saddened over the end of TTD, TJW, and FF in the mid-80s. Though in my opinion Wink's exit a year after Jack Barry's passing and a year before Cullen's final run and eventual retirement didn't help the legendary Barry/Enright against the Merv Griffin power duo.
I thought $100,000 did well nationwide, but I can't say the same thing in my area. It had replaced FF for about four months before being buried elsewhere in favor of the $1,000,000 Chance of a Lifetime. I thought that the Jim Lange hit was that (at the time) even before being replaced by Win, Lose, or Draw.
At the end of the day, as mentioned King World was just that. In fact, in my area, Jeopardy & Wheel of Fortune have been on the same spot & channel covering 5 decades (since the 80s into 2020). Personally, I thought the talk shows were surging. Fewer game shows, more Oprah, Donahue, Sally, etc. Not as many first-run gameshows on the networks.
As a result, Bob hosting TPIR instead of Tom Kennedy changes nothing (if not very little). Out of respect, I could see it lasting a little longer, as in another 12 months. For what it's worth, it was Kennedy running the nighttime one (someone I'd consider on the Mount Rushmore of GS hosts), not some unknown individual
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Indeed. It was a free for all of sorts—lots of scrambling, and King World stayed atop the heap. And then there was Oprah—and some parallels in the early fringe slots. History repeating itself in broad strokes.
I would point out though, Tic Tac Dough and TJW, were still on the air in 85-86, albeit in what would be their final seasons. So they were in the mix too here, not being completely eliminated just yet.
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Price being on for an hour every morning didn't help the '85 nightly TPIR. It was too much. Also Wheel and Jeopardy were hitting their stride at the time in prime access making it harder for Kennedy Price to get established.
You know, seeing this earlier begged a question of its' own. If say Price had been an hour long from the outset in daytime, right from its' 1972 premiere, would its' original Nighttime counterpart have still lasted 8 years, even airing just once a week vs. daily? Now obviously, even after the daytime show went to an hour in 1975, it still managed to run 5 years after that, but by then it was well-established at night anyway. Could it have still had that same run otherwise? It's possible I imagine given it only again aired once each week, but I still wonder a little bit.
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I would point out though, Tic Tac Dough and TJW, were still on the air in 85-86, albeit in what would be their final seasons. So they were in the mix too here, not being completely eliminated just yet.
They might as well have been out. By the 1985-86 both of those shows for the most part had either been moved to fringe or late night time slots or had been dropped from their markets entirely. My local market dropped TTD and TJW in 1984. In New York City those shows went up against early afternoon soap operas in their last season.
Sadly I can understand why. Prime time game shows were starting to give away big money and very expensive prizes. TTD and TJW were stuck in the late 70s and their formula was old hat and stale. $3,000+ in the bonus round wasn't cutting it anymore.
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One thing I forgot to mention, and in reply to the once a week Price: What if TPIR emulated Match Game / Match Game PM (and the 1986 specials) in terms of having a big-time show once a week. To be clear, instead of one-half hour primetime show, starting in 1986 or 1987, do an hour show in primetime, with a lot more to be won (more expensive prizes, bonuses, showcases) which I believe was the norm in the 1985-1986 syndicated run. While I don't know if they would've thought of it, but it would've been nice if there was a syndicated Price Is Right once a week for an hour featuring a $100,000 bonus (similar to the $1 Million bonuses that were done from 2002-2008).
That, I think would've lasted for several years (even with Wheel & Jeopardy and their dominant runs). Budget issues are just that, and I don't believe you could've had those on CBS until 1990 at the earliest. I think Bob might have been able to add one more taping as opposed to 5
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They might as well have been out. By the 1985-86 both of those shows for the most part had either been moved to fringe or late night time slots or had been dropped from their markets entirely. My local market dropped TTD and TJW in 1984. In New York City those shows went up against early afternoon soap operas in their last season.
Sadly I can understand why. Prime time game shows were starting to give away big money and very expensive prizes. TTD and TJW were stuck in the late 70s and their formula was old hat and stale. $3,000+ in the bonus round wasn't cutting it anymore.
That Wink left in 85 and Jack had died in 84 probably didn't help matters (with no disrespect to the dean of hosts Bill Cullen). I would wonder though if Wink had stayed on TTD, if it'd have helped anything there, but given what you just said and the overall market being what it was in 85, it probably wouldn't have.
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One thing I forgot to mention, and in reply to the once a week Price: What if TPIR emulated Match Game / Match Game PM (and the 1986 specials) in terms of having a big-time show once a week. To be clear, instead of one-half hour primetime show, starting in 1986 or 1987, do an hour show in primetime, with a lot more to be won (more expensive prizes, bonuses, showcases) which I believe was the norm in the 1985-1986 syndicated run. While I don't know if they would've thought of it, but it would've been nice if there was a syndicated Price Is Right once a week for an hour featuring a $100,000 bonus (similar to the $1 Million bonuses that were done from 2002-2008).
That, I think would've lasted for several years (even with Wheel & Jeopardy and their dominant runs). Budget issues are just that, and I don't believe you could've had those on CBS until 1990 at the earliest. I think Bob might have been able to add one more taping as opposed to 5
Would there have been room for it though? Even after 86 when many shows either left after 1 year or after more? Once a week really wasn't the thing anymore by this time mind you. That had left pretty much around the time the original Nighttime Price went off the air in 80. I think Match Game PM was really the only other one that went just once a week after that (well maybe Name that Tune as well), and it (and Tune) were both gone by the following year. Everything else I think was daily strips. Once Feud and I guess could say Match Game started that trend in 79, everyone else followed suit. Could even argue TJW and TTD had a hand in that from the year before, but I think was more those two.
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Fair point both TJW and TTD existed, albeit in the winding down stage. I believe both had run their course. Host changes may not have helped, but likely neither would have had a substantially different outcome.
Well, maybe TTD wouldn’t have had that wretched set change. Yikes.
But as for weekly Price, there was effectively zero market for weekly syndication. No longer an option.
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Fair point both TJW and TTD existed, albeit in the winding down stage. I believe both had run their course. Host changes may not have helped, but likely neither would have had a substantially different outcome.
Well, maybe TTD wouldn’t have had that wretched set change. Yikes.
But as for weekly Price, there was effectively zero market for weekly syndication. No longer an option.
Yeah I couldn't see that at all working. If anything had the 86 summer series done better for CBS than it did, coulda seen perhaps more of those like what we got in Bob's final years and beyond (albeit sporadically ever since 2008). I don't imagine it'd have been weekly though, but something akin to what was done later here and there. I can't imagine CBS would want to take away the possibility of those either following those original 6 specials, by introducing a syndicated run.
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Would there have been room for it though? Even after 86 when many shows either left after 1 year or after more? Once a week really wasn't the thing anymore by this time mind you. That had left pretty much around the time the original Nighttime Price went off the air in 80. I think Match Game PM was really the only other one that went just once a week after that (well maybe Name that Tune as well), and it (and Tune) were both gone by the following year. Everything else I think was daily strips. Once Feud and I guess could say Match Game started that trend in 79, everyone else followed suit. Could even argue TJW and TTD had a hand in that from the year before, but I think was more those two.
I believe that the last new weekly game show (at that time) was *shudder* Camouflage from Chuck Barris in 1980, which replaced 3's a Crowd after it's abrupt cancelation. Emerging shows like The Joker's Wild, Tic Tac Dough and PM/Evening Magazine were starting to kill off weekly prime access game shows. Even Family Feud went to daily by 1979.
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I believe that the last new weekly game show (at that time) was *shudder* Camouflage from Chuck Barris in 1980, which replaced 3's a Crowd after it's abrupt cancelation. Emerging shows like The Joker's Wild, Tic Tac Dough and PM/Evening Magazine were starting to kill off weekly prime access game shows. Even Family Feud went to daily by 1979.
Yeah Feud was the big one of this time I think, that kinda set the standard for others. It had started going that way from 78 if you remember, going from once a week, to twice, then daily from there.
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Well, maybe TTD wouldn’t have had that wretched set change. Yikes.
From what I've read, the new set would've happened in the fall of '85 no matter who hosted, since the one in use since '78 was supposedly falling apart.
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From what I've read, the new set would've happened in the fall of '85 no matter who hosted, since the one in use since '78 was supposedly falling apart.
Was this ever seen on air at all to anyone's knowledge?
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Ah, never read that. Nevertheless, the design choices were...jarring.
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Was this ever seen on air at all to anyone's knowledge?
Pretty sure a logo sign that had been on the set somewhere had been removed around 1984 or so, so you could count that, in a sense.
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Fair point both TJW and TTD existed, albeit in the winding down stage. I believe both had run their course. Host changes may not have helped, but likely neither would have had a substantially different outcome.
Well, maybe TTD wouldn’t have had that wretched set change. Yikes.
But as for weekly Price, there was effectively zero market for weekly syndication. No longer an option.
Gotta respect that. I might have a pretty good memory, but 3.5 decades ago is still so long ago. Guess that answers Pricefan's question as to where a weekly price would fit. Just thought of the options to make a primetime Price work (with Barker). In the end, it just didn't work out, and that's fine, especially based on the future of the franchise. TPIR evolved, and Kennedy's career didn't take a hit at all. In fact his run added to it. Would've been rather neat to have seen how a SYN Price with Tom Kennedy looked in 1994-1995 or 2005-2006 (any future season parallel to the daytime run).
Yeah, that TTD set didn't need to happen. Outside of safety reasons, of course (fair enough for the upgrade). I remember not liking it as it wasn't TTD to me. But it wasn't too drastic; ended up respecting it later on. Never really thought of it falling apart. Must've just been coincidence with Martindale's exit; TWJ set was upgraded about half a decade earlier with Jack still there.
In response to Pricefan's comments on the emcees, I'll never forget the times the judge came on the air whenever Cullen errored. Never thought anything of it at the time, but it happened several times. Probably not easy to tune into whenever I rewatch Bill's run, but he is the dean of GS hosts & still handled it with class
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I know we are veering OT, but I can’t help but wonder if Geoff Edwards was ever considered by Dan Enright to take over TJW after Jack’s death. They seemed to have a good relationship on Play the Percentages and Geoff certainly seemed to enjoy the B&E staff on that show.
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I know we are veering OT, but I can’t help but wonder if Geoff Edwards was ever considered by Dan Enright to take over TJW after Jack’s death. They seemed to have a good relationship on Play the Percentages and Geoff certainly seemed to enjoy the B&E staff on that show.
I always thought that Jim Peck was being groomed to replace Jack...until someone at Barry/Enright remembered that they still had Bill Cullen under contract.
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I always thought that Jim Peck was being groomed to replace Jack...until someone at Barry/Enright remembered that they still had Bill Cullen under contract.
I've often heard that B&E wanted Peck less than Jack did. Maybe that's not true though, if this was the case.
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I've often heard that B&E wanted Peck less than Jack did. Maybe that's not true though, if this was the case.
That's what I heard as well. Peck was slated to replace Barry upon retirement, but those plans changed soon after his death and before the 1984-1985 season. I guess it was a combination of both; I don't think Jim did bad when he filled in for Jack, but I don't think I would've enjoyed TJW as much as I did if Peck was the eventual replacement
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Peck was slated to replace Barry upon retirement, but those plans changed soon after his death and before the 1984-1985 season.
And from what I understand, the fact that those plans changed was supposedly the catalyst for Richard S. Kline (the director, not the actor) walking out from B&E and forming Kline and Friends.
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I wonder would a Nighttime version lasted if the Daytime version wasn't an hour long?
I could see it lasting a few years with Bob.
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I wonder would a Nighttime version lasted if the Daytime version wasn't an hour long?
I could see it lasting a few years with Bob.
Well, Bob came in to host syndicated version later on in the 70s. It still didn't last much longer.
Daytime viewing habits don't always translate to nighttime. Price was more popular daytime, Wheel more at night. No reason why, it just is. I, honestly, was never bothered that the nighttime Price didn't succeed. After all, we still had the daytime show.
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Well, Bob came in to host syndicated version later on in the 70s. It still didn't last much longer.
Daytime viewing habits don't always translate to nighttime. Price was more popular daytime, Wheel more at night. No reason why, it just is. I, honestly, was never bothered that the nighttime Price didn't succeed. After all, we still had the daytime show.
When Bob took it over (meaning at the point he did, not after he started hosting it), what were ratings like from when it started? I still wonder too how the original nighttime show woulda fared if the daytime show was an hour from the outset. Maybe at once a week it still woulda done as well, but maybe not.
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My post isn't too much about Bob hosting, but here are a couple new thoughts about the 1985 nighttime version that have come into my head.
In the Cullen Era, the nighttime version was more popular than the daytime version for most of its run, even being a Top 10 show for a couple seasons. But of course, primetime game shows were out of vogue during the '70s, and part of what made the original nighttime version so great were the mail-in Showcase contests, which the '70s nighttime version certainly should have held on occasion to separate it from its daytime counterpart, simply by adding those in post-production. Speaking of sweepstakes, the 1985 version could have been a good opportunity to launch Play Along.
If the 1985 Nighttime show became a hit, I could have tinkered by adding a special Friday Finals episode. In these shows, the four Showcase winners of the week come back on Friday, starting with a One Bid, with the three contestants who didn't win playing in a single Showcase Showdown. PG #1 would be played after the One Bid, with PG #2 played in Act 3 after the Showcase Showdown in Act 2. I'd also make it where PG #1 would be played for a nicer prize, such as a large amount of cash or a luxury car than PG #2 since that player wouldn't have a chance to win money on the Big Wheel, meaning that games like Golden Road, 3 Strikes, and Plinko would often be played for PG #1. The budget would be slightly higher on Friday shows as well and I'd basically just make the Mon-Thu shows the same budget as daytime. This certainly would be possible in this version unlike the '70s version, since it was easier to make shows air sequentially in order, even if I'd still juggle the weeks out of taping order by focusing on airing big wins during premiere week and sweeps periods.
The thing about nighttime was it was still too similar to daytime and perhaps part of the reason why it didn't do as well as many hoped. It basically was just 1972-75 TPIR with some newer games.
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Pannoni, I think there was just nothing that could've been done at the end of the day to save it. As much as it was nice seeing 1985 primetime Price with Tom Kennedy, I'm with Alfonzo in that it wasn't necessary or a big deal for the show to succeed given that we had Daytime Price.
As far as nighttime and primetime being too similar that it may have been the reason for the latter's downfall, I have to disagree with that. Not completely based on how we still had the show at 11:00 AM EST, but IMO the 1994 version and how it was not similar led to its failure. It didn't even make a year, but to be fair, the era in which tNPiR aired was tougher than in 1985-1986.
I'm a little confused at your idea of a Price Finals. At first it seemed that there would be one IUFB for the winners, with the IUFB winner automatically advancing to the showcase and then a normal first half would play out for everyone else, where the SCSD winner would face that first IUFB winner for the week champion. I wouldn't mind that but that might've been too much for the staff.
TPIR is not known for returning champions. Not in the show's first 36 years of the current version. I like the idea of a Friday Finals, pannoni. However, it wouldn't work; not everyone got the show airing at the same time, if at all. I believe there were different episodes for different markets, and Price airs their episodes out of order every-so-often
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Part of the magic of Price is Right is never knowing who is going to get picked next, and getting their genuine surprise and reactions. That's lost in a tournament format.
Even if they threw that out, so many Price contestants are tourists who have fixed travel arrangements. There's no way you can guarantee your Monday winner can come back when you tape your Friday show, unless you also kill the Come on Downs the other four days and switch entirely to choosing contestants before they enter the studio.
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Honestly, the idea of a Friday finals seems like a convoluted concept that offers no tangible benefit (and perhaps more headaches).
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Honestly, the idea of a Friday finals seems like a convoluted concept that offers no tangible benefit (and perhaps more headaches).
Yeah, the whole thing seems like a mess and kinda hard to follow honestly after the first 4 players. I know the Australian version in the 80's (and even the 70's) tried returning champs, but it didn't last long in either incarnation that they tried it. I'd have to think this in conjunction with gamesurf's post is part of why. Not so convoluted mind but still. It just doesn't fit the show. Price was never built with that in mind, not the modern day version from 72 onward anyway.
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Pretty sure a logo sign that had been on the set somewhere had been removed around 1984 or so, so you could count that, in a sense.
That is indeed what it was-- a huge version of the TTD title was in the middle of the set on the floor with a ring of lights around it, IIRC.
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So Bob was offered the 1985-1986 syndicated nighttime series, but declined. Did they offer it to Dennis James?
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Yikes. Would there have been any business reason to?
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Yikes. Would there have been any business reason to?
Speaking to Dennis I assume? I have to think, given Tom was already working for Goodson at this time with Body Language, and had established a relationship to him beforehand (despite Mark not liking him in the past, a fact Tom spoke to in an interview he did a few years ago) doing the final year and a half of Password Plus prior to this, hiring Tom was a pretty easy choice to make. Could be wrong, but it'd make sense.
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Tom was a still active presence who could nicely emulate the feel of the daytime show (still his own, but familiar enough). Just because someone did a gig before, it doesn’t make it the right decision, or even necessary, to consider them again.
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I have to think, given Tom was already working for Goodson at this time with Body Language, and had established a relationship to him beforehand (despite Mark not liking him in the past, a fact Tom spoke to in an interview he did a few years ago) doing the final year and a half of Password Plus prior to this, hiring Tom was a pretty easy choice to make. Could be wrong, but it'd make sense.
Mark's soreness at Tom more than like had to do with You Don't Say! Mark had threatened to sue the producers because he felt the game show was too similar to Password. I'm sure the 1974 revival having Match Game vibes didn't help Tom's case.
It wouldn't surprise me if Betty White helped Tom get in Mark's good graces. Working with Tom on both versions of You Don't Say! I'm positive she put in a good word for him when Allen Ludden had to leave Password Plus due to his illness.
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Yikes. Would there have been any business reason to?
I'm not in the business to know, but it seemed to me that James did an admirable job during the original nighttime run. He certainly didn't suck and he wasn't fired for gross incompetence. Unless he was deemed "too old", I don't see why offering him the job would have been as outlandish as you seem to imply. What's with the "Yikes"?
Just because someone did a gig before, it doesn’t make it the right decision, or even necessary, to consider them again.
Correct, but it also doesn't automatically make it the wrong decision or unnecessary to consider them again.
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I'm positive she put in a good word for him when Allen Ludden had to leave Password Plus due to his illness.
I'm not saying she didn't, but I'm guessing what clinched the Password Plus job for Tom was the fact that Allen himself personally recommended him for it.
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I'm not saying she didn't, but I'm guessing what clinched the Password Plus job for Tom was the fact that Allen himself personally recommended him for it.
Interesting, not sure I remember hearing that. I imagine he said it in his interview though. Also spoke the YDS business....going so far as to say he had to change hosting position early in the original run from in center in between the two teams, to on their right so it'd look less like Password than it did when it debuted.
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I'm not saying she didn't, but I'm guessing what clinched the Password Plus job for Tom was the fact that Allen himself personally recommended him for it.
You're probably right and for good reason: Tom was good, one of my top five picks for best all-around game show host of all time (Along with Trebek, Edwards, Barry and Cullen) because he was comfortable hosting any type of game show format.
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EDIT: Nevermind this...I was thinking Tom and Bill hosted quite a many shows between them, more than any others by far, but looking at Tom's resume, it's smaller than I thought. Maybe it just feels like he had as many, because like Bill, sans the original YDS in the 60's (well and Name that Tune too as I think about it), most of his shows were fairly short-lived. So his hosting career woulda mirrored his a bit that way.
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Not too long after Nighttime PIR completed production in 1986, Marc Breslow was fired as director of the daytime version. I've often wondered who would've directed the Nighttime version, had it gone for another season.
If Bob had hosted Nighttime from 1985-86, I fear the Barker/Breslow trouble might have come to a head even sooner. (Though from what I've read on here, it was brewing for awhile already.)
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My guess is that it would've been Paul Alter, or maybe even Bart Eskander (I believe he was on the staff during the Marc Breslow Era and prior to the Alter run)
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Given that Paul Alter would take over as director of the daytime show, I think he would also do the nighttime run if a second season had been ordered. Although later on in the decade, he'd really have his hands full with both versions of TPIR, Bob Eubanks'/Gerry Rafferty's Card Sharks and Ray Combs' Family Feud (the latter two of which would actually see daytime and nighttime runs as well).
My guess is that even in 1972, Barker and Breslow never got along that well either.
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Given that Paul Alter would take over as director of the daytime show, I think he would also do the nighttime run if a second season had been ordered. Although later on in the decade, he'd really have his hands full with both versions of TPIR, Bob Eubanks'/Gerry Rafferty's Card Sharks and Ray Combs' Family Feud (the latter two of which would actually see daytime and nighttime runs as well).
That should be Bill Rafferty as to Card Sharks.
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That should be Bill Rafferty as to Card Sharks.
My apologies. I knew it was somebody with the last name Rafferty, but I somehow got the nighttime host mixed up with the Baker Street singer.
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My guess is that it would've been Paul Alter, or maybe even Bart Eskander (I believe he was on the staff during the Marc Breslow Era and prior to the Alter run)
Also a small chance -- maybe very small, but still ...
Marc Breslow would have continued to direct the nighttime Tom Kennedy version, had it gone a second season. Barker wasn't executive producer of that show (not in its first & only season, anyway) and Breslow could've stayed on, directing Kennedy and avoiding Barker.
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Also a small chance -- maybe very small, but still ...
Marc Breslow would have continued to direct the nighttime Tom Kennedy version, had it gone a second season. Barker wasn't executive producer of that show (not in its first & only season, anyway) and Breslow could've stayed on, directing Kennedy and avoiding Barker.
Larry, sorry for the belated response. I came across this recently and am seeing that you quoted or replied to me. There is some validity that Breslow could’ve stuck around longer within another season of primetime Price, based on Frank Wayne being in charge. However, Barker wasn’t the EP yet on the daytime version when Marc was let go. Mr. Goodson might have stuck with consistency and had Alter direct both.
With the Executive Producer talk that I brought up, I often wondered what would’ve happened with Kennedy had the show lasted until, say, 1990. Bob would’ve been the EP with Tom hosting in the final 2 years plus, but If I had to guess, Barker would’ve taken over as in the last year or two (similar to the 70s). Which would’ve been no big deal given the fact that Tom retired or would’ve been done whether or not he was retained in 1988-1989 had the show lasted 5 years
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Larry, sorry for the belated response. I came across this recently and am seeing that you quoted or replied to me. There is some validity that Breslow could’ve stuck around longer within another season of primetime Price, based on Frank Wayne being in charge. However, Barker wasn’t the EP yet on the daytime version when Marc was let go. Mr. Goodson might have stuck with consistency and had Alter direct both.
With the Executive Producer talk that I brought up, I often wondered what would’ve happened with Kennedy had the show lasted until, say, 1990. Bob would’ve been the EP with Tom hosting in the final 2 years plus, but If I had to guess, Barker would’ve taken over as in the last year or two (similar to the 70s). Which would’ve been no big deal given the fact that Tom retired or would’ve been done whether or not he was retained in 1988-1989 had the show lasted 5 years
Tom in his interview a few years back, said his phone effectively stopped ringing around then, forcing him into retirement more than him choosing to. He even did a pilot with Vicki Lawrence around that time to try get back in the game (no pun intended), but of course it wasn't picked up. This begs the question.....HAD Nighttime Price stuck around those 5 years, would Tom have still retired?
I have to think the interest in him mighta been bigger having had that success with what was already a well-established show for years prior to him, vs. being on and off in a year, although that could be wrong.
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Tom in his interview a few years back, said his phone effectively stopped ringing around then, forcing him into retirement more than him choosing to. He even did a pilot with Vicki Lawrence around that time to try get back in the game (no pun intended), but of course it wasn't picked up. This begs the question.....HAD Nighttime Price stuck around those 5 years, would Tom have still retired?
I have to think the interest in him mighta been bigger having had that success with what was already a well-established show for years prior to him, vs. being on and off in a year, although that could be wrong.
Despite their past history, you’d think Mark Goodson would want to keep Tom around if a successful nighttime PIR was just that. I could’ve seen it either way, whether Kennedy makes it through 5 years or not. The thing is Bob would’ve seen that success, and given the success of the daytime show, he would’ve replaced Tom with himself so as to be the face of both versions. Kennedy would’ve gotten a proper send-off, given what he’s done, as I doubt it would’ve been him leaving on bad terms. Just more in the line of it being a business decision.
Either way, I think he would’ve retired right after that. It was tough for a lot of people to get work in the gameshow field as everyone wanted to go with someone younger or just a lesser known up and coming talent. Or a comedian. Many of the former hosts that I grew up with had either passed or retired by that point. As mentioned, the gameshow era died down compared what it once was. By the late 80s into the early 90s, it was all about Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and Price is Right
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Despite their past history, you’d think Mark Goodson would want to keep Tom around if a successful nighttime PIR was just that. I could’ve seen it either way, whether Kennedy makes it through 5 years or not. The thing is Bob would’ve seen that success, and given the success of the daytime show, he would’ve replaced Tom with himself so as to be the face of both versions. Kennedy would’ve gotten a proper send-off, given what he’s done, as I doubt it would’ve been him leaving on bad terms. Just more in the line of it being a business decision.
Either way, I think he would’ve retired right after that. It was tough for a lot of people to get work in the gameshow field as everyone wanted to go with someone younger or just a lesser known up and coming talent. Or a comedian. Many of the former hosts that I grew up with had either passed or retired by that point. As mentioned, the gameshow era died down compared what it once was. By the late 80s into the early 90s, it was all about Jeopardy, Wheel of Fortune, and Price is Right
Could say Feud was still in there too till it went off, but that was it for many years for sure.