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Studio 46 - Non-TPiR Discussion => Out In Left Field => Topic started by: tpir04 on October 23, 2018, 07:20:09 PM
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So, I was wondering, if you could go back in time and save any one game show from being wiped or otherwise destroyed so that it could be shown today, what would it be? I would like to save the original Match Game because I want to see how Gene Rayburn hosted before MG 7x.
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I'm sure I'd speak for many by mentioning 70s "Pyramid".
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The original Jeopardy, and also much of the 70's and early 80's daytime Wheel of Fortune
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I'd vouch for Second Chance (77)
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I'm sure I'd speak for many by mentioning 70s "Pyramid".
Wasn't the 70s Pyramid preserved? I remember seeing it on GSN some years back.
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Wasn't the 70s Pyramid preserved? I remember seeing it on GSN some years back.
Some of it was. But not a lot.
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Wasn't the 70s Pyramid preserved? I remember seeing it on GSN some years back.
The entirety of the ABC version through June 1978 has been wiped. Most of the CBS version with the exception of the three weeks taped at Television City and a few episodes here and there are also gone.
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For me, I'll put forward the 1971-1975 ABC run of Password.
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The original Concentration.
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For me, I'll put forward the 1971-1975 ABC run of Password.
I thought of that one too here, only incarnation of Password really not represented in any form isn't it? (the pre all star format anyway)....along with Concentration (not sure how I missed that with the Classic version now running again)
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So, I was wondering, if you could go back in time and save any one game show from being wiped or otherwise destroyed so that it could be shown today, what would it be? I would like to save the original Match Game because I want to see how Gene Rayburn hosted before MG 7x.
There is existing video of Rayburn hosting "The Match Game", as it was originally called. I have it on the DVD set I own, but I'm sure it has be floating around YouTube somewhere.
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If it was wiped, let's recover the original Supermarket Sweep.
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Mindreaders because I want to see more bad game shows.
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There is existing video of Rayburn hosting "The Match Game", as it was originally called. I have it on the DVD set I own, but I'm sure it has be floating around YouTube somewhere.
Like 70's Pyramid there is a bit, but only a small handful of episodes unfortunately. I'd like to see more of it too to see how the show evolved to what it became in 70's.
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If it was wiped, let's recover the original Supermarket Sweep.
There's a single episode that exists, but only the one.
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I thought of that one too here, only incarnation of Password really not represented in any form isn't it? (the pre all star format anyway)
Actually, GSN did run a single December 1971 episode (with Brett Somers and Jack Klugman), and another from February 1972 (with Sheila MacRae and Martin Milner) is known to be in one trader's library.
Here's the 1971 episode
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Some more daytime eps of the Cullen TPIR. There are a scant few out there in its nine year run—four from 1957, one from 1964 and about three from 1965.
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Woolery's version of Wheel of Fortune.
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In addition to all answers provided above, I'd pick the original Sale of the Century. I've only seen a short clip of an episode during the couples format later in its run, but outside a couple UK episodes that had a similar format, it's all gone outside a couple surviving episodes deep in UCLA's vault. Unlike the more familiar versions, a contestant could buy multiple prizes in the Shopping Round instead of just one upon retiring, and progressively higher values for answering a question was a good format of itself, and you still had the instant bargains. But the odds of any of these episodes turning up are almost as long as winning billion-dollar lottery jackpots.
But since we're out in left field, we may as well include non-game shows.
Non-game show answer: The Tonight Show prior to its move to Burbank in May 1972. That's 18 years of interviews, monologues, performances, and skits that would be apt to reveal so much that given how residually popular the surviving Carson shows are. Yet just a few dozen survive in full or in part, mainly because TV wasn't yet seen as a serious enough medium to be worth preserving, and this is surprising since kinescopes could had easily been preserved. In addition to Johnny, I would have loved to see how Jack Paar and Steve Allen enjoyed their tenures.
Children's TV answer: Captain Kangaroo. Before Sesame Street, this was the show that preschoolers would grow up fondly, and only a single episode from the 1960s exist, along with a few from the '70s and early '80s.
Music program answer: 1950s and '60s American Bandstand episodes. Sure, a number of music programs from those decades (especially post-move to Los Angeles in 1963) exist showing the numerous pop/rock/jazz stars of those eras, but American Bandstand always stood out with Dick Clark, rate-a-record, the everyday people dancing around, and of course, the artist interviews/performances. A handful of episodes from the ABC era survive, but only a small amount like The Match Game and '70s Pyramid, but the first five years on WFIL in Philadelphia are all history.
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Non-game show answer: The Tonight Show prior to its move to Burbank in May 1972. That's 18 years of interviews, monologues, performances, and skits that would be apt to reveal so much that given how residually popular the surviving Carson shows are. Yet just a few dozen survive in full or in part, mainly because TV wasn't yet seen as a serious enough medium to be worth preserving, and this is surprising since kinescopes could had easily been preserved. In addition to Johnny, I would have loved to see how Jack Paar and Steve Allen enjoyed their tenures.
On this, it's worth noting too that the main reason we even have what we have today, is only because Johnny himself found out that the shows were being wiped before he moved to Burbank and personally put a stop to the practice/took over the rights to the library himself. Imagine how much ELSE coulda been lost to history if not for that. We're quite lucky to have those last 20 years of shows, easily coulda not happened. We're also missing Gene Rayburn's time on the Tonight Show with all that was wiped incidentally, that's significant as well on this.
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I'm surprised nobody so far has mentioned the original NBC daytime version of "The Hollywood Squares" with Peter Marshall as a wiped show they would want to go back and save. Imagine how long of a compilation video we could post on YouTube with all the funny zingers and moments from that show (particularly from center square occupant Paul Lynde).
Also from Merrill Heatter-Bob Quigley, the two runs of "High Rollers" with Alex Trebek, as that was in my opinion a pretty enjoyable game show that sadly doesn't have all the episodes exist anymore. Not to mention it was the show that put the future "Jeopardy" host on the map in this country.
I'd also love to see the majority of the first two-and-a-half years of "What's My Line?" that are lost to history, so we can see much more of Louis Untermeyer & Hal Block on the show before they were both fired for different reasons (Untermeyer for the Red Scare & Block for making too many risque jokes in a more conservative time). Not to mention the mystery guests from those episodes that never appeared on any of the episodes from July 20, 1952 (when Goodson-Todman started saving the kinescopes) to September 3, 1967 (when it ended).
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Seconded on Cullen's TPIR, plus I'd throw in Truth or Consequences, just to see how Bob evolved into the WGMC that we all know and love.
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I'd also love to see the majority of the first two-and-a-half years of "What's My Line?" that are lost to history, so we can see much more of Louis Untermeyer & Hal Block on the show before they were both fired for different reasons (Untermeyer for the Red Scare & Block for making too many risque jokes in a more conservative time). Not to mention the mystery guests from those episodes that never appeared on any of the episodes from July 20, 1952 (when Goodson-Todman started saving the kinescopes) to September 3, 1967 (when it ended).
Daytime Password and To Tell The Truth in this era would be great too.
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Also from Merrill Heatter-Bob Quigley, the two runs of "High Rollers" with Alex Trebek, as that was in my opinion a pretty enjoyable game show that sadly doesn't have all the episodes exist anymore. Not to mention it was the show that put the future "Jeopardy" host on the map in this country.
It was 1973’s The Wizard Of Odds that put Trebek on the map in the U.S. High Rollers made him a household name.
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Some more daytime eps of the Cullen TPIR. There are a scant few out there in its nine year run—four from 1957, one from 1964 and about three from 1965.
Does anybody know if all the nighttime episodes are intact? Just curious.
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Does anybody know if all the nighttime episodes are intact? Just curious.
GSN looped the same 65-70 episodes when they aired it in the 90's, so that's not a promising sign.
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A tie for me between both versions of Trebek's High Rollers, Showoffs and The Better Sex.
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A tie for me between both versions of Trebek's High Rollers, Showoffs and The Better Sex.
Was the NBC version of High Rollers wiped? I know NBC did wiping a lot longer than the other two of the big 3 networks, which is why Mindreaders is basically dead save for a few.
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Was the NBC version of High Rollers wiped? I know NBC did wiping a lot longer than the other two of the big 3 networks, which is why Mindreaders is basically dead save for a few.
Pretty much so for both runs, I'm afraid. Most of the YouTube episodes were from a private collector.
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GSN looped the same 65-70 episodes when they aired it in the 90's, so that's not a promising sign.
There are a few more GSN didn’t run on YouTube, including the Dec. 25, 1961 to Jan. 8, 1962 shows with commercials.
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There are a few more GSN didn’t run on YouTube, including the Dec. 25, 1961 to Jan. 8, 1962 shows with commercials.
How many exist of nighttime run total? About 75?
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How many exist of nighttime run total? About 75?
Or rather, how many circulate, since there's no real way of gauging what exists, short of Fremantle giving some kind of statement on the matter.
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Or rather, how many circulate, since there's no real way of gauging what exists, short of Fremantle giving some kind of statement on the matter.
Fair, but do you really believe much more would exist past that? I imagine something mighta popped up by now if more had, but then again who knows, new stuff seemingly gone us unearthed all the time so could be surprised lol. I saw this comment on YT last night (under a video with a short clip of the finale of the original Concentration from 1973) "It's my understanding from a retired NBC VP that all of the 1971-73 episodes of "Concentration" do indeed exist on their original U-Matic broadcast tape cassettes in storage, as do the last season of "The Match Game," most of the 1973-75 episodes of "Jeopardy!", and the entire run of the syndicated weekly nighttime version of "Jeopardy!". ", but whether it's true and if we'd ever get to see any of it is anyone's guess. Never know though what may be out there in any case for sure....I'll be willing to admit that.
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If the last season of the original Match Game exists, why doesn’t GSN or Buzzr have it? You would think one of them would air one of these episodes at least once.
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I saw this comment on YT last night (under a video with a short clip of the finale of the original Concentration from 1973) "It's my understanding from a retired NBC VP that all of the 1971-73 episodes of "Concentration" do indeed exist on their original U-Matic broadcast tape cassettes in storage, as do the last season of "The Match Game," most of the 1973-75 episodes of "Jeopardy!", and the entire run of the syndicated weekly nighttime version of "Jeopardy!". ", but whether it's true and if we'd ever get to see any of it is anyone's guess.
I don't know, but it sounds hinky to me that they'd mention the shows being archived on U-Matic, rather than the 2" quad tapes they would've most likely been originally recorded on. It is possible, though, that they may have used U-Matic as an "offline" format for editing or evaluation purposes.
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I don't know, but it sounds hinky to me that they'd mention the shows being archived on U-Matic, rather than the 2" quad tapes they would've most likely been originally recorded on. It is possible, though, that they may have used U-Matic as an "offline" format for editing or evaluation purposes.
It might be why there's only those shows that exist if it's true, ie: only a certain number of shows were transferred. It's all conjecture though obviously, as is why GSN or Buzzr wouldn't have aired any of say the Match Game last year or anything else mentioned if it exists.
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It might be why there's only those shows that exist if it's true, ie: only a certain number of shows were transferred. It's all conjecture though obviously, as is why GSN or Buzzr wouldn't have aired any of say the Match Game last year or anything else mentioned if it exists.
If it's U-Matic, then it likely wouldn't have the same picture quality as the original quad tapes, and thus wouldn't be deemed "broadcast quality"... though at the same time, that argument falls flat on its face when you take kinescopes into consideration.
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Prompted by something I read elsewhere, I would bring back 70s Split Second. The very few episode available on YouTube are very fun and exciting games to watch, and this version was just so much better I think than the 80s version
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It would also be nice to see more of The Magnificent Marble Machine than the one of two episodes that appear to be currently available, as I'll admit this show's a bit of a guilty pleasure since I first caught a glimpse.
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I would choose Second Chance, the short-lived inspiration for Press Your Luck.
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If the last season of the original Match Game exists, why doesn’t GSN or Buzzr have it? You would think one of them would air one of these episodes at least once.
If you mean of the CBS version, GSN aired it including the ten unaired episodes around late 2002. The last season of the actual original version (NBC, 1962-69) is pretty much kaput.
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My soap opera answer would be Another World, during the Steve/Alice/Rachel triangle.
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I'm surprised nobody so far has mentioned the original NBC daytime version of "The Hollywood Squares" with Peter Marshall as a wiped show they would want to go back and save. Imagine how long of a compilation video we could post on YouTube with all the funny zingers and moments from that show (particularly from center square occupant Paul Lynde).
Also from Merrill Heatter-Bob Quigley, the two runs of "High Rollers" with Alex Trebek, as that was in my opinion a pretty enjoyable game show that sadly doesn't have all the episodes exist anymore. Not to mention it was the show that put the future "Jeopardy" host on the map in this country.
I'd also love to see the majority of the first two-and-a-half years of "What's My Line?" that are lost to history, so we can see much more of Louis Untermeyer & Hal Block on the show before they were both fired for different reasons (Untermeyer for the Red Scare & Block for making too many risque jokes in a more conservative time). Not to mention the mystery guests from those episodes that never appeared on any of the episodes from July 20, 1952 (when Goodson-Todman started saving the kinescopes) to September 3, 1967 (when it ended).
There is a couple of non game show examples...
The soap opera Another World, with Robin Strasser playing the manipulative troublemaker Rachel. Add in the organ music, and it would be a great find! Even better if it was in living color.
Guiding Light from 1968-1974.
The early eps of The Doctors.
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There's a single episode that exists, but only the one.
There's more than that, they just don't circulate. The Museum of Broadcast Communications in Chicago has one filmed at the former Food Fair (now a Shop-n-Save) in Niles, IL.
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Besides "Second Chance", the '60s Fleming version of "Jeopardy" (if for no other reason than so Weird Al fans could see what Art Fleming as host was really like), the Trebek (speaking of "Jeopardy") run of "High Rollers", and the original "Supermarket Sweep", I'd save:
The Big Showdown, since only a pilot and "The Big Fall Down" seem to still exist.
Camouflage (the '60s version), because one circulating episode begins with a review of a retiring champion's many prizes, and I would have loved to have seen her actually play at least.
I'm surprised nobody so far has mentioned the original NBC daytime version of "The Hollywood Squares" with Peter Marshall as a wiped show they would want to go back and save. Imagine how long of a compilation video we could post on YouTube with all the funny zingers and moments from that show (particularly from center square occupant Paul Lynde).
Was the episode with the "Art Fleming would never lie" incident part of that, or was that actually among the episodes that were saved and either GSN didn't show or I missed it when they did? I'd love to have seen that episode in its entirety. On that note, I'd also save "Storybook Squares"- both the Saturday morning series and the episode part of special themed daytime weeks.
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Was the episode with the "Art Fleming would never lie" incident part of that, or was that actually among the episodes that were saved and either GSN didn't show or I missed it when they did? I'd love to have seen that episode in its entirety.
To the best of my knowledge, that episode is only known about by word of mouth, so I'd assume it to be daytime (and thus, most likely gone). AFAIK, only the last two years or so of the daytime run was saved (one source I'd seen pegged the cutoff date to April 24, 1978, claiming everything from that date forward was intact).
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To the best of my knowledge, that episode is only known about by word of mouth, so I'd assume it to be daytime (and thus, most likely gone). AFAIK, only the last two years or so of the daytime run was saved (one source I'd seen pegged the cutoff date to April 24, 1978, claiming everything from that date forward was intact).
As we've seen with The Doctors and The Joker's Wild(CBS era) you never know...
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If you mean of the CBS version, GSN aired it including the ten unaired episodes around late 2002. The last season of the actual original version (NBC, 1962-69) is pretty much kaput.
He didn't, he meant the last season of the 60's version that I had mentioned supposedly existing on some old tapes along with some Jeopardy and Concentration in that era.
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For me, it would undoubtedly be The Big Showdown. That is one of the greatest lost game shows IMO. My second choice would be the wiped WoF episodes.
In regards to the existence of U-matic tapes, if they do exist, I don't think we'll ever see them. U-matic is one of the most terrible videotape formats ever conceived. The VCRs easily damage the tapes (lots of wrinkling), poor color reproduction, sticky-shed syndrome, etc. It is commonly necessary to bake U-matic tapes as well.
Whenever I read about wiped shows, I always think about how lucky that Price and Match Game and all those great '70s Mark Goodson games exist.
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Whenever I read about wiped shows, I always think about how lucky that Price and Match Game and all those great '70s Mark Goodson games exist.
And also the Dawson Family Feud. To the best of my knowledge, all the episodes (or a good portion of them) still exist, being that ABC continued the wiping practice until 1978.
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And also the Dawson Family Feud. To the best of my knowledge, all the episodes (or a good portion of them) still exist, being that ABC continued the wiping practice until 1978.
I think a couple from 76 are missing due to tape damage, maybe a few others too after that, but otherwise yes they all exist. As a sidenote too...Feud actually was taped over the just recently completed at the time and aforementioned 70's Password series.