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Studio 46 - Non-TPiR Discussion => Out In Left Field => Topic started by: pannoni1 on September 02, 2020, 02:00:24 PM
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We all grew up with the concept of a "perfect show" on TPIR if all six pricing games were won- that is if all of the main prizes announced were awarded. The rest of the show (one-bids, Showcase Showdown, the Showcases) didn't count towards this. However, I could figure that something similar could apply to other shows. Here's how I'd define "perfect" show on some of them:
-Jeopardy!: All 30 clues in the Jeopardy! round as well as all 30 in Double Jeopardy! are responded correctly, plus all three players respond correctly in Final Jeopardy! This includes rebounds, where one or two contestants respond incorrectly, but the second or third replies correctly. There must be no hidden clues remaining at the end of J!/DJ!, which could happen if there are enough rebounds due to incorrect responses. One game in the 1996 Teen Tournament was not only a "perfect show", but also had an extra correct response (the 64th) due to a tie.
-Wheel of Fortune: No duds, Bankrupts, or Lose A Turns, plus the bonus round is solved correctly.
-Family Feud: A clean sweep in every round of the maingame without getting three strikes, plus every number one answer is given in Fast Money by either contestant.
-Match Game: Six matches by both contestants, plus the top amount in the Super Match is won.
-Press Your Luck: No Whammies are landed on at all
-Scrabble: Bonus money is won on every word, plus the Bonus Sprint (contained format) is won.
-Double Dare (Nickelodeon): All physical challenges are successful as well as the Obstacle course.
-Let's Make A Deal: The top announced prize is won in every deal, plus the Big Deal
-To Tell The Truth: All votes by the panelists are to the impostors
-What's My Line?- No occupations, as well as the Mystery Guests(s) are solved by the Panel. In the syndicated version, this also includes the Who's Who? squad being stumped.
-High Rollers: All columns are cleared in every round
-Beat the Clock: All stunts, including the Bonus Stunt (1950s) are completed.
These would be interesting projects to discover in terms of how frequently or how close a perfect show has come on these.
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-Wheel of Fortune: No duds, Bankrupts, or Lose A Turns, plus the bonus round is solved correctly.
So far as I'm aware, this has never happened in the show's history. Closest they've ever come is 12/13/82 (Vanna's first permanent show as hostess), which had no duds or penalty wedge hits, but ended in a bonus round loss.
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On any Pyramid show, it would be getting all 42 clues right (21 per round) and then winning both Winner's Circle rounds.
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-Jeopardy!: All 30 clues in the Jeopardy! round as well as all 30 in Double Jeopardy! are responded correctly, plus all three players respond correctly in Final Jeopardy! This includes rebounds, where one or two contestants respond incorrectly, but the second or third replies correctly. There must be no hidden clues remaining at the end of J!/DJ!, which could happen if there are enough rebounds due to incorrect responses. One game in the 1996 Teen Tournament was not only a "perfect show", but also had an extra correct response (the 64th) due to a tie.
It should be said that in tournaments, going back as far as I can recall if not to the beginning of em at least in Trebek era, no clue if it was the same in Fleming's days, they go through all clues as a rule just to be fair to all contestants given the stakes. So that aspect was gonna happen no matter how many rebounds their were. Be more interesting to find out how often it's happened in a normal game without that caveat.
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-Family Feud: A clean sweep in every round of the maingame without getting three strikes, plus every number one answer is given in Fast Money by either contestant.
I think you meant to include the fact that the winning family playing Fast Money actually had to win the bonus round. These days, getting all number one answers doesn't guarantee a $20,000 win (or whatever the top prize is)
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-High Rollers: every column cleared, plus a straight clearing of the Big Numbers
-Card Sharks: two straight runs through the main cards without a mistake, then winning the maximum allotted Money Cards prize by betting everything and being right on every card
-Classic Concentration: gaining every available prize on the board and solving the puzzle, then matching every possibly matchable car without a mistake
-Bumper Stumpers: two straight solves of the Super Stumper--doubly so if done with one one symbol showing each time--then going straight through each bonus round without a mistake
-Tic-Tac-Dough: an instant tic-tac-toe with your symbol without allowing any of your opponent's symbols on the board, then nailing the Tic and Tac right off the bat in the bonus round to win the prize package
-Name That Tune: getting the necessary number tunes correctly in each round without allowing your opponent even one, then nailing the Golden Medley in, say, less than 15 seconds or so
-Blockbusters: getting all of your color across the board without allowing even one of your opponents in both games it would take to win, then completing the Gold Run without a single pass or mistake
-Bullseye: reaching the target level without giving your opponent control at all, then immediately nailing 3 bullseyes on Bonus Island
-Catchphrase: a perfect score--you get all the points to zero for your opponent--and then a straight run across the bonus board without a mistake or pass
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Legends of the Hidden Temple: A team comes in 1st in the moat, answers the first three questions correctly on the Steps of Knowledge, wins two pendants in the Temple Games, and the first runner has a solo-run win in the Temple.
Supermarket Sweep: A team gets the Mini Sweep(s) under 20 seconds, gets the maximum amount of time offered in the question round, wins the Big Sweep, and wins the Bonus Sweep.
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The Joker's Wild: Spinning three Jokers on one's first spin and then correctly answering the subsequent question. Or that fast forward category which could win someone the game ASAP (assuming he or she could reach $500 before making a mistake). Then hit a natural triple in the bonus round on the first spin
Scrabble: Getting three words in the opening game without any stoppers. Then answering the words in the sprint segments without the assist of three or more letters (I don't think this has been done, though I've seen it happen at least once with one word)
Password (Mainly Plus & Super): Getting the one-word clue correct right away, and then answering the Password Puzzle with just that one (out of five) clue, repeating the process until reaching $300/$500. Then winning Alphabetics/Super Password with 10 clues only (one per letter)
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Shop 'til You Drop- winning all four stunts, finding the Shopper's Special, and winning the bonus round.
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These would be interesting projects to discover in terms of how frequently or how close a perfect show has come on these.
On Price, a "perfect show" is a good thing that a producer might intentionally aim for once in a while. It's good to see lots of people winning things, especially if it's a special episode. Plus Bob usually made a big show of calling it out and making a big deal out of it so that you as a viewer were trained to look for it. Nobody "loses", the only real downside is the budget hit.
On most other game shows, especially competitive ones, a "perfect show" as defined by these examples is a bad thing from a producer's perspective. You don't want shutouts to happen too often. Nor do you want the game to appear too easy or too one-sided. If no Whammies are hit in a PYL episode, for example, it may mean the producers need to allow for more spins and put more Whammies on the board. If a Family Feud shutout happens more than once in a blue moon, it may mean the producers need to schedule some tougher surveys to give more teams a chance to steal.
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What about the Hollywood Squares? Is it possible for a perfect game to happen?
I take a stab at Finders Keepers. All hidden pictures found, all hidden items in the room searches are found, the room to room romp are successfully completed.
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What about the Hollywood Squares? Is it possible for a perfect game to happen?
I take a stab at Finders Keepers. All hidden pictures found, all hidden items in the room searches are found, the room to room romp are successfully completed.
Yes, there's definitely a concept of a perfect show on Squares. Just answer all questions correctly, find the Secret Square(s), and don't make any mistakes in the bonus round, including choosing the correct key on some versions. Probably Plinko-type odds of it happening, but it's certainly possible, and a more realistic scenario is to simply have the Secret Square(s) won as well as the bonus round if necessary.
Here are a few more:
Hot Potato: Answer all seven answers correctly on each maingame question, plus win the bonus round without making a mistake
Body Language: Get all five words in each puzzle, answer every puzzle correctly, and then win $10,000 in the bonus round
Nick Arcade: Beat every Video Challenge, beat the Video Zone, answer every Pop Quiz/Video Puzzle/Goal question correctly, and also avoid the enemy
Get The Picture: Answer every question correctly, solve each puzzle with only one square showing, beat every Power Surge, and beat Mega Memory
GUTS: 1,925 points
Make The Grade: "Graduate" from the game quick enough so not only you win (without missing any questions and winning any Fire Drill), but also having enough time to play and beat the Honors Round and the University Round
Figure It Out (happened very often): The panel stumps both contestants
Think Fast (individually): Beat all stunts, solve at least one Brain Bender, and win the bonus round
Debt: Like Jeopardy!, every question is correctly answered and/or rebounded (in General Debt), along with winning the Get Out Of Debt round perfectly by answering ten questions in 60 seconds and then taking the doubler and answering the question. Due to time constraints, the General Debt board was never cleared, so that isn't a qualification, except if the Debtonator isn't found before the round ends
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On any Pyramid show, it would be getting all 42 clues right (21 per round) and then winning both Winner's Circle rounds.
Now, would it be a perfect show if each player won the Winner's Circle, or would the same person have to win the Winner's Circle twice and win the top announced prize for a show to be perfect?
In the current version, a perfect show could mean one person in each half of the hour-long show getting 21 points, winning each tiebreaker, and winning the $150,000 in the Winner's Circle. Also, they would each need to win the Mystery 7 in order to win everything the show has to offer.
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One of my expectations for Press Your Luck is that the contestants would ace the trivia rounds and max out their spins before playing. Press Your Luck isn't much without getting a boatload of spins.
Also, good thing the original post says without getting three strikes. Family Feud does not seem to demand total perfection. You gotta have (at least) one dumb answer in each show, even if it's just in the Fast Money round. A true perfect show would feel kinda average.
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On Price, a "perfect show" is a good thing that a producer might intentionally aim for once in a while. It's good to see lots of people winning things, especially if it's a special episode. Plus Bob usually made a big show of calling it out and making a big deal out of it so that you as a viewer were trained to look for it. Nobody "loses", the only real downside is the budget hit.
And even with Price, a true perfect show isn't likely to ever happen either, because it'd mean perfect bids in EVERY one bid, all 6 winners of said bids win $26,000 (or $11,000/at least $1,000 pre-bonus spin) on the wheel, and both showcases to be won in addition to the 6 games being won themselves. And if it did, it might again necessitate certain changes, at least for the one bids.
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-Press Your Luck: No Whammies are landed on at all
Imagine a universe where for whatever reason, Michael Larson never gets fatigued and keeps going in perpetuity, racking up millions, going into all hours of the night, they’re forced to suspend taping at some point because of Union rules and pick up again the next day. It finally ends when CBS sends their lawyer out to reach a settlement with him to stop. :lol:
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And even with Price, a true perfect show isn't likely to ever happen either, because it'd mean perfect bids in EVERY one bid, all 6 winners of said bids win $26,000 (or $11,000/at least $1,000 pre-bonus spin) on the wheel, and both showcases to be won in addition to the 6 games being won themselves.
Almost - the two showcase contestants need to tie in DSW range so that they each win both showcases.
This series of events (taking everything to the extreme and never going to happen) needs a name. A pluperfect show?
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Almost - the two showcase contestants need to tie in DSW range so that they each win both showcases.
This series of events (taking everything to the extreme and never going to happen) needs a name. A pluperfect show?
Touche, didn't even think of that, though felt maybe I was missing something. Thanks for that. And how about an ultimate perfect show?
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Now, would it be a perfect show if each player won the Winner's Circle, or would the same person have to win the Winner's Circle twice and win the top announced prize for a show to be perfect?
In the current version, a perfect show could mean one person in each half of the hour-long show getting 21 points, winning each tiebreaker, and winning the $150,000 in the Winner's Circle. Also, they would each need to win the Mystery 7 in order to win everything the show has to offer.
It could be either one or both players achieving this. I never stated outright that it would have to be the same person, even though the top prize would be awarded in that case. In addition to the Mystery 7, you'd also have to win the 7-11 on Dick Clark's show, which is something I wish they brought back for the current edition.
Also, I meant to clarify that on Donny Osmond's short-lived version, you could only play up to 18 points per round, so 36 would be the maximum achievable amount.
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The 7-11 and Mystery 7 would both be won by default within a perfect Pyramid show, unless I'm forgetting something.
On Price, a "perfect show" is a good thing that a producer might intentionally aim for once in a while. It's good to see lots of people winning things, especially if it's a special episode. Plus Bob usually made a big show of calling it out and making a big deal out of it so that you as a viewer were trained to look for it. Nobody "loses", the only real downside is the budget hit.
On most other game shows, especially competitive ones, a "perfect show" as defined by these examples is a bad thing from a producer's perspective. You don't want shutouts to happen too often. Nor do you want the game to appear too easy or too one-sided. If no Whammies are hit in a PYL episode, for example, it may mean the producers need to allow for more spins and put more Whammies on the board. If a Family Feud shutout happens more than once in a blue moon, it may mean the producers need to schedule some tougher surveys to give more teams a chance to steal.
As much as I love the occasional rout (game shows and even sports), probably more often most at the very least, I have to agree I like the competitive nature of everything. Otherwise you'd risk losing an audience. The main problem I have with a competitive game is the common upset (or a valid mistake that would cost the favored team the game). A couple examples include Match Game & Family Feud.
I probably shouldn't have an issue with the Feud, but sometimes I hate when they sabotage the third question whenever a family wins both of the first two questions. That method helps to avoid a quick rout, but the problem is the family that should've won after three rounds could lose outright for possibly missing the 4th question (going 3-1 before Sudden Death)
In Match Game, if it's a close game, you could give a great response for the celebrities to match, but you only get 5 of 6, whereas your opponent that you dominated "back-doors" into a win (getting 6/6 or 5/6 plus winning the tiebreaker)
Similar to perfect games, the painful losses are rare, but I'd prefer to have a safety net if I were the better participant. If it's a competitive game and both players/teams are equal, then, for me, it's different
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The 7-11 and Mystery 7 would both be won by default within a perfect Pyramid show, unless I'm forgetting something.
Not in one of his ideas of a perfect show (in which one contestant specifically is perfect all the way through). In this, it could be possible for one or both bonuses to not be won, if their opponent picked them and failed to get them.