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Title: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on October 07, 2013, 12:59:12 PM
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Episode #6461K (2013 Publishers Clearing House Week Day I)
Aired – 10/7/2013; Taped – 8/19/2013
Models: Melissa Rycroft, Rachel Reynolds
Microphone Handoff: Rachel
First Four Contestant Seating: Right to Left

$100,000 extra is being given in prizes this week because Publisher's Clearing House is giving $20,000 for the first winner of their respective Pricing game.

First IUFB: Smartphone (Sony via Newegg: 13MP rear facing camer + calling plan); ARP: $1,600 (Melissa and Rachel)

CONSUELO REGINA DANIEL JESSICA
975 1050 899 1200

The winner is...
JESSICA


Jessica is playing PUSH OVER for a trip to Belize (RT Coach to Belize for a 6n stay in a beach cabana at the Portofino Resort + daily breakfast, 1 dinner, 1/2 day snorkeling excursion) (Melissa).

8 5 3 9 6 4 0 7 1        
  BELIZE
 

Jessica pushes the blocks to

          8 5 3 9 6 4 0 7
  BELIZE
 

ARP be...

          8 5 3 9 6 4 0 7
  5 3 9 6
 
LOSS

 

Second IUFB: Pair of Bicycles (Wyatt: Single-speed bikes); ARP: $898 (Rachel)

CONSUELO REGINA DANIEL ZACHARY
1700 700 1300 1200

The winner is...
REGINA


Regina, from Palmerton, Pennsylvania, is playing HOLE IN ONE for a 2013 Chevrolet Sonic (1.8L engine, MT, remote keyless entry; ARP: $15,595) (Melissa).

Regina has a chance to putt next to the hole if she can place the following items in order from lowest to highest:

  • Aspercreme Pain Relief Cream
  • Selsun Blue Shampoo
  • Francesco Rinaldi Pasta Sauce
  • Unisom Sleep Tabs
  • Gold Bond Ultimate Diabetic Lotion
  • Playtex Latex Gloves

Regina puts the items in this order:

          $500
GLOVES PASTA SAUCE LOTION SHAMPOO SLEEP AID PAIN RELIEF CREAM

The ARPs are:

          $500
$4.49 $2.29 LOTION SHAMPOO SLEEP AID PAIN RELIEF CREAM

Regina will putt from the 1st line.

Drew attempts the insipration putt...*MISS*

Regina attempts his/her putt...*MISS*

Drew changes the game to "Hole In One or Two"!

Regina attempts the second putt...*MISS*

LOSS

Third IUFB: Video Game Package (22-piece Nintendo 3DS, 2 consoles, starter kits, cases, road trip kits, 14 games); ARP: $1,000 (Melissa)

CONSUELO DEVON DANIEL ZACHARY
778 777 1100 1

The winner is...
CONSUELO


Consuelo, from Whitier, California, is playing Do The Math for a new computer (Apple: 27in iMac with 32GB memory, 3TB HD, upgraded processor, printer) (Rachel) and designer accessories (Burberry: Leather tote, wallet, animal print scarf) (Melissa).

± $809 =
COMPUTER
ACCESSORIES
Consuelo believes it is
+ $809 =
COMPUTER
ACCESSORIES
+ $809 =
$3229
$2420
X

LOSS

SCSD #1

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL RESULT
Regina $898 65 STAY .65
Consuelo $1,000 60 65 1.25
OVER
Jessica $1,600 85 .85 *SHOWCASE*

Fourth IUFB: Home Theatre Speaker System (Harman/Kardon: 5.1 speaker system)s; ARP: $2,069 (Rachel)

KENDRA DEVON DANIEL ZACHARY
1200 2000 950 2

The winner is...
DEVON


Devon is playing One Wrong Price for a motorscooter (Yamaha: Zumo 125 with 125cc engine, AT, electric start) (Melissa), a game table (Golden West Billiards: 4-in-1 game table) (Rachel) and a television (65in Plasma HDTV with powersave functions) (Rachel).

$3390 $4199 $1700
MOTORSCOOTER GAME TABLE TELEVISION

Devon picks the table...

$3390 $4199 $1700
$3390 $2495 $1700
  WIN $20,000!!

Fifth IUFB: Designer Watch (Stuhrling Original); ARP: $2,199 (Rachel)

KENDRA KATIE DANIEL ZACHARY
1100 850 1400 2000

The winner is...
ZACHARY


Zachary, from Phoenix, Arizona, is playing Punch-a-Bunch for a chance to win up to $25,000!

Item #1 (Libman Freedom Spray Mop) (Rachel):

$35

Guess: LOWER
LOWER
$22

Correct!

Item #2 (Marinade Bottle):

$8

Guess: HIGHER
HIGHER
$13

Correct!

Item #3 (Crock Pot):

$99

Guess: LOWER
LOWER
$60

Correct!

Item #4 (Portable Griddle):

$70

Guess: LOWER
HIGHER
$110

Wrong!

Zachary has 3 punches


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  1. $100
    Throws it back.
  2. $500
    Throws it back.
  3. $250

LOSS (Total Winnings: $345)

Well, that time again. Welcome to the nominating committee, Daniel. The first four limo has been waiting patiently for someone and today it has nominated you. Daniel needs to get out of Contestant's Row now or a trip to Broadway, Ohio in his future.

Sixth IUFB: Range (30in stainless steel range); ARP: $1,299 (Melissa)

KENDRA KATIE DANIEL CLARENCE
700 900 875 2600

The winner is...
KATIE


Daniel heads off to Broadway, while Katie is playing That's Too Much for a 2013 Dodge RAM 1500 Tradesman Regular Cab 4x2 (4.7L engine, 6-speed AT, popular equipment group) (Rachel).

$21,060
$22,145
$23,274
$24,498
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
ARP:
$24,070
WIN
$21,060
$22,145
$23,274
$24,498
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $
$ $ $

SCSD #2

Contestant Winnings Spin 1 Spin 2 TOTAL RESULT
Zachary $2,544 95 STAY .95
Katie $25,369 100 1.00 *$1,000*
Devon $27,585 75 30 1.05
OVER

Bonus...

Contestant Winnings Spin Result
Katie $26,369 85
*SHOWCASE*

THE FABULOUS SHOWCASES

Katie has the honors...

SC1 - Jessica

A MELISSA RYCROFT SHOWCASE
  • Home Gym (Inspire Fitness: Home Gym with 32in LED HDTV) (Melissa)
  • 2013 Mazda MX-5 Miata (2L engine, power windows, Convenience Package) (Rachel)
Bid: $24,500

SC2 - Katie

A RACHEL REYNOLDS SHOWCASE?!
  • Trip to Big Sur (RT Coach to Monterey, CA then onto Big Sur for 4n stay in luxury room and visit Viper Beach) (Rachel)
  • Trip to Bahamas (RT Coach to Harbor Island, Bahamas for a 5n stay in boutique resort + daily breakfast and snorkeling excursion) (Rachel)
  • Trip to Greece (RT Coach to Santorini, GR for a 6n stay in seaview room at the Rocabella Santorini + daily breakfast, dinner, spa treatment, rental car) (Rachel)
Bid: $23,000
Jessica
$24,500
MAZDA
$27,924
$3,424
MAZDA
Katie
$23,000
TRIPS
$23,543
$543
TRIPS
*WIN*
$49,912

Results: 2 out of 6
Winnings: $83,539
Biggest Winner: Katie

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Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Hag on October 07, 2013, 01:03:25 PM
Not at all crazy about the new Hole putting shot. If they insist on using it, why not have a split screen showing both old and new angles.

Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: TinoStar11 on October 07, 2013, 01:40:05 PM
Do The Math needs a brighter "X" when the contestant is wrong. I barely can see it.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MannyCav on October 07, 2013, 02:03:55 PM
That Hole In One camera angle is a most horrid thing. On my SD screen, I couldn't even see the put or all of what was going on at the back end of the put. Additionally, a side view for this game is just wrong. I want a clear angle of any left-to-right variance with the balls path to (or away) from the hole, and a straight on-view is the best way to get that. Actually, for that matter, wanting a clear view down the putting green is something that never occurred to me because I always had it.

One Wrong Price was the only game that had anything resembling a neon "WIN ME!" sign. If that game had been lost due to a contestant going along the lines of, "The table is so obvious that it has to be something else" (that was my line of thought, I'm ashamed to admit--I've never seen anything quite like that table on the show before, meaning I had no firm grasp on what the price was, and the television looked like it could have been short maybe $400 to $500), the $20,000 would have been in serious jeopardy (That's Too Much was a bonus win on the side that was more likely not to happen than to happen). It would, however, have been interesting to see how they would have proceeded with the Publisher's Clearing House bonus had it advanced to Punch A Bunch, just to see if they would have actually went through with the expected $45,000 or $10,000 and below setup on finding the yet-not-won $25,000 when the game before was more like a 1 in 3 shot, if even that much.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Bobby McBride on October 07, 2013, 02:07:50 PM
Obviously, we weren't fans of the first half. Sad to see the HiO split-screen go.

At least things picked up in a hurry for the 2nd half & Katie even taking her RAM from TTM all the way to the Showcases & winning her tripcase (that truck was behind #3 both times it showed up, including the end).
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: PriceBusterXL on October 07, 2013, 02:37:48 PM
PCH Week begins............

THE BAD NEWS:

Pushover: Easy setup but it was still lost.

Do The Math: Well, we had the first win from the new game, so why not have the first loss from it?

Hole In One: 2 things were wrong with that game today:

1.) The setup from the grocery items
2.) The new camera angle.........Why would they insist on removing the split-screen? That's what made that game great. Once again, Mike and Co. is treating the show like a frog in Biology class and they are dissecting certain things from it.

Punch-A-Bunch: Just getting $250 is a loss to me.

THE GOOD NEWS:

One Wrong Price: I thought that the motorscooter was the wrong price, not the game table......Good thing that contestant got that right, along with the 20 Gs.

That's Too Much!: Katie really played that game well...........I was off by going one more. Not only she won the RAM, but FRATS as well.

THE BOTTOM LINE:

Well, so starts another PCH Week where Drew keeps on saying "$20,000!"...........But it all depends when or if a contestant win a PG. He was on heavy rotation with that on the 1st half, but I'm glad the OWP win prevented him from going any farther.

Melissa Rycroft, of Bachelorette and Dancing With The Stars fame, was this week's guest model and she did fine........However, at the end of the day, I really do wish the rest of the current models came back. We're starting the 3rd week, and still no peep from them. Speaking of current models, I don't know why people would have a problem when Rachel was talking on the 2nd Showcase. I thought she did great with that and it was a good way her (or any Price model, for that matter) to be interactive, much like with Vanna on WOF.

Overall, another 2/6 show but I did like it. Time to see how the rest of the week progresses.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Kyle on October 07, 2013, 02:40:10 PM
Today's thoughts...

New graphics today in the opening with the Big Wheel being added into the Price is Right logo animation. While I neither like nor dislike it, I wonder why they can't leave things alone. More to the point, if they were going to change the opening sequence so soon, why didn't they get rid of those distracting spinning Pricedown dollars, instead? Laughably still, the trip screens during the parade of prizes at the end of the show still had the season 40 light-box on them. They'd be better served switching them around, I think.

That side-view angle of Hole in One is awful. How are we, the audience, supposed to judge if the ball is rolling left or right from that shot? Adam should have left well-enough alone instead of making change for the sake of change.

Now that I've seen a losing playing of Do the Math, I'm confident in saying that the reveal for a loss as carried out today needs re-tooling. The way Drew builds up the reveal does come off confusing. If he would ask "Does the price of the computer plus/minus $809 equal the price of the accessories", it'd be a much stronger reveal as opposed to just outright stating the equation, which he did today.

One Wrong Price was begging to be won.

Punch-a-Bunch was set-up pretty decently. Too bad more wasn't won.

That's Too Much! was a solid victory and it's always nice to see a winner in this game, however, to re-iterate a comment I made from last Friday's show (which was in reference to Lucky $even), this is the second time inside a week's time we've seen both Punch-a-Bunch and That's Too Much!. This can be levied at whoever makes the call to shuffle the airdates up instead of sticking to the production order. Part of the excitement of The Price is Right is supposed to be a varied array of games spread out across sometimes weeks at a time. Some of that excitement is lost when you're watching day to day and games you've recently seen crop up again so quickly... in this case, inside a week. True, such is the case with certain games like Plinko, Bargain Game and Double Prices Side By Side, but, to see both of these particular games again this quickly after they both appeared on last Thursday's show is rather disappointing.

Considering how much time was eaten up by Drew's explanation of the Publisher's Clearing House giveaway and things like that, I'm surprised that the show seemed to have so much time to spare today.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: PIR85 on October 07, 2013, 02:48:57 PM
There were good and bad with the show.

GOOD-
That's Too Much win! Yay.

Did anyone else notice the different opening graphic today? The transition to the on-screen logo was a bit different, and while the camera faded into door 2 (before it opens to Drew) the rotating dollar signs were gone. That was an improvement. Now if they could just get rid of the rotating dollar signs altogether in the opening.

BAD-
What the Hell was Adam smoking to even have the thought cross his mind to do a side angle of Hole in One... or Two. That was hideous and took all excitement out of the putt. I had no idea if the ball was even close. That directorial fail is even worse than the gimmicky light border.

Does anyone else notice how Drew treats the guest model vs. Rachel? I hear "Here's the beautiful Melissa"...and then "Here's Rachel." Some of the verbal and nonverbal treatment of the guest model makes it seem like he's more interested in the guest model than he is Rachel. And I'm sorry these girls have no idea how to be a Price model. Her sideways hand motion had no elegance. What's-her-face who was on the Breast Cancer show had absolutely NO clue how to calm down. She was fidgety and had some weird facial expressions. Normally I don't bash on people but when you are there to do one job and you come out looking like a clown on meth, I think it goes to show we need our Amber, Manuela, Gwen back.  Semi-related, I'm growing tired of two models per show. There ought to be 3 minimum.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Mr. Weatherman on October 07, 2013, 02:53:45 PM
Thanks to a brief power outage (don't know what the heck caused it, it's a beautiful day), I missed the second half of the show except for SCSD 2 and the showcases. Apparently, I missed the best part of the show...

From what I did see, however, I was very pleased to hear George actually read off the entire prize descriptions in Hole in One, as opposed to a brief description like usual. In fact, his car reveal was very much improved, as well. Instead of placing the emphasis on "new," or saying something like "brand new," he simply just said "new car" with emphasis on the "car," something he has been terrible of doing in the past. Since these shows were taped more recently, I'm really hoping these differences will carry over into later shows. For the first time since he took over the job, George actually sounded like a true announcer today (at least in the first half).

Drew also did a fantastic job hosting, as well. I felt like I was watching a Barker playing of Hole in One (with the exception of Adam's horrible directing and Mike's evil setup). Drew's inspirational putt combined with his joking about not being a golfer was very enjoyable, and despite the loss, it didn't feel like a typical loss that I have grown accustomed to seeing. Very well done, both Drew and George.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Torgo on October 07, 2013, 02:56:13 PM
No one likes the jib.  Not on the multi-prize games such as Bargain Game, One Wrong Price and Most Expensive.  Definitely not replacing the classic Hole in One putting shot.

Stop it.


I'm actually pleased that the setups weren't in super-easy mode just because PCH was around.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Jordanar18 on October 07, 2013, 03:05:57 PM
So many interesting things about Hole in One that I don't know where to begin... but I will comment since it's one of my favorite games.  I really think they should do away with the inspiration putt.  It was one of Bob's signature moments on the show, and it just doesn't go well with Drew because he's really not a golfer.  It would also save some time on the game.

The new camera shot is both good and bad in my opinion.  It's good because it kind of feels like you're watching someone putt in a real golf tournament; however, it takes away seeing the contestant's reaction.  I would like it better if the camera didn't zoom in on the ball going to the hole and instead stayed in place the whole time.  Or better yet, just have the camera set up behind the hole with the contestant in the shot.

Not a big fan of the Do the Math loss reveal.  Come up with something different, or like TinoStar said, make a more stand-out X.  Also, any cash prize under $1,000 seems trivial (not to mention making the game more difficult).

Yes, OWP was very easy; however, they really needed to give away the $20K, and this was a good way to do it.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GuyWithFace on October 07, 2013, 03:52:03 PM
The new camera angle for Hole In One appears to be there for the same reason many other changes have been made in the past several years -- namely, as a "Look what we can do!" exclamation (or in this case, a "Look what I can do!" exclamation on the part of Mr. Sandler).

Normally I don't bash on people but when you are there to do one job and you come out looking like a clown on meth, I think it goes to show we need our Amber, Manuela, Gwen back.
Unfortunately, I believe the "job" of the guest models is to plug what show they are from and look pretty, nothing more. Being an actual model is clearly meant to be tertiary.

I really think they should do away with the inspiration putt. It was one of Bob's signature moments on the show, and it just doesn't go well with Drew because he's really not a golfer. It would also save some time on the game.
Removing the Inspiration Putt would also remove some of the fun of the game, and arguably remove its "hook".
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: thepriceis_J on October 07, 2013, 04:01:06 PM
The new camera shot is both good and bad in my opinion.  It's good because it kind of feels like you're watching someone putt in a real golf tournament; however, it takes away seeing the contestant's reaction.
I don't agree with this. I don't want to feel like I'm watching someone putt in a real golf tournament, I want to feel like I'm watching someone putt in a real golf tournament on television. When I'm watching golf on television, the initial shot I usually see when someone putts is a high angle. That gives depth. This shot is shallow. The previous shot worked the best because it was like you were watching golf on TV. You could tell if someone was going to make it or not and you could judge how much they missed it by. You really can't do that now. Also, as someone else stated it cuts off the action for the viewer at home in SD. This isn't Season 37, where they're still trying to figure out HD/SD set blocking. I'm surprised Adam didn't think about the SD folks when he cleared it. It's a terrible shot and I hope that is changed back the next time we see Hole.

Well...when you've got a contestant who doesn't realize that rubber isn't the cheapest thing in glove form and can't putt, it is just asking for trouble.

I'm really surprised they didn't set any of the games in the first half up for a slam dunk win. Hole in One was really the best shot and it didn't go the right way. I guess they wanted to make people watch the entire first half before handing out the 20K, which is why One Wrong Price was setup the easiest as a backstop if Hole failed.

Great win in That's Too Much. That was also nicely setup. It was a 1500 and they don't cost that much and since they started the game at 21K it gave the contestant a good shot.

I'm really, really tired of these guest models. It's annoying that we're only getting two model shows these first three weeks and it's doubly annoying that the only model is Rachel with a guest. And with the slate that they've announced it seems like we're going to see these two model guest shows at least until Thanksgiving. I hope Rachel gets a day off at some point and we see Amber, Gwen, Manuela, or Rob on these model/guest model shows.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: William on October 07, 2013, 04:16:12 PM
I really think they should do away with the inspiration putt.  It was one of Bob's signature moments on the show, and it just doesn't go well with Drew because he's really not a golfer.

I missed the show today, but I'm guessing that Drew missed his putt.

Honestly, Drew has made the putt more often than not from what I've seen. In fact, I can hardly recall a time when he's missed.

Yeah, he may not be a golfer, but the line that he uses ("I don't even play golf, but let me show you how easy it is to make this putt...") works pretty good, IMO.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: noahproblem on October 07, 2013, 04:21:51 PM
That new camera angle for Hole In One?    :headbang:

I thought Melissa was Manuela with a new haircut at first (/me calls his eye doctor  :P).

How easy was One Wrong Price?  Even if they used the correct price for the table ($2499) I still would have picked it because even the correct price looked too expensive.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: JokerFan on October 07, 2013, 04:22:07 PM
Honestly, Drew has made the putt more often than not from what I've seen. In fact, I can hardly recall a time when he's missed.
Drew's only made the putt twice (maybe three times) compared to the several times he missed.  I don't think you've seen that many playings, if you think he's made the putt more often than not.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Swingbatta0 on October 07, 2013, 04:25:58 PM
I'm okay with the new camera shot in Hole in One (to me, it makes no difference). But I'm not okay with what happened in the first half.

Thank goodness for That's Too Much, especially when they're offering such a pricey Ram.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on October 07, 2013, 04:36:03 PM
Recap up.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: wildbill0962 on October 07, 2013, 04:51:17 PM
My mistake at the beginning, spelling it as Raycroft, but it is Rycroft (as I like to bust Adam's stones :p)

I will say, I like the new angle for Hole in One. Like Jordan said, it's like watching golf on TV. I found it interesting.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Nick on October 07, 2013, 04:53:37 PM
Taping report, and I'm going on memory here since I didn't get to see the show today due to technical difficulties, but anyway...

The first big change from when I attended last November is the contestant release form has dramatically changed.  It's several pages long now and includes stipulations about, among other things, mentioning spoilers.  It's all legalese, so I don't know how they expect people to understand it all.  Anyway, they didn't say anything about anything you weren't allowed to mention after the show aired, so onwards and forwards.

There was a stopdown between the first and second games, different from the tapings I attended last year.  I don't know if that's an Adam thing or because they played Hole in One next or what, but they stopped.

Hey, Scott, did you take the "SHHH!!" sign with you?  They didn't hold it up during Hole in One.

Drew fumbled the explanation of Do the Math, so they had to do a pickup of him explaining the rules.

They reshot the presentation of the fourth One Bid item and George had to do a pickup on the plug.

If the deal with Publisher's Clearing House week is twenty grand to the first winner of the day, why would you schedule the now-nearly-impossible-to-win Punch a Bunch in the second half?  It's not helping prevent the very possible scenario that they've had no winners by the end of the show.

I couldn't believe That's too Much! was won.  That was my highlight of the day.

The low point was the Showcases, and while I don't know what's been the case with reshooting come on downs as has been said, but after the show, they did a whole bunch of reaction shots with Katie standing behind her Showcase podium alone on the Turntable.  They spent anywhere from ten to fifteen minutes until they finally got what they wanted out of her.  I don't know who the stage director is now, but he kept asking her to react to the home gym to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm out of her ("You gave me a ten.  I need a six!").

That did it for me.  If they're trying to engineer the excitement out of the contestants in this way, then perhaps there isn't much excitement left to the show in its current state.  Still, I had a ticket for a taping the following week.  That show airs next Monday.

Lastly, unlike the last tapings I attended, they didn't call a name for the door prize but drew for a number and George called that "number" down.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Jordanar18 on October 07, 2013, 05:00:11 PM
If the deal with Publisher's Clearing House week is twenty grand to the first winner of the day, why would you schedule the now-nearly-impossible-to-win Punch a Bunch in the second half?  It's not helping prevent the very possible scenario that they've had no winners by the end of the show.

Yeah, I find it weird that they had Punchy in the lineup as well.  Not only is it almost impossible to win, but if the contestant somehow did win it, they would wind up with $45,000 (so long as they were the first winner of the day).

Not to mention, That's Too Much sixth.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GoldenBulldog on October 07, 2013, 05:02:43 PM
The constant shilling of the $20,000 for the first pricing game win seemed very tiring; just one plug for the gimmick is good enough.  Also...speaking of pricing games, was my vision going nuts or did One Wrong Price suddenly add a large sign that says "WIN ME DAMMIT! WIN ME!!"?  Seriously, that setup was nothing more than a throwaway gimmie.  Also, I know we're three weeks into the season, but...the show's just not the same without seeing Gwendolyn or Manuela (or a model rotation for that matter).
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: sideshowPA on October 07, 2013, 05:21:45 PM
Is it possible that they only changed the camera angle for Hole in One because it is PCH week?  If the putt is made, door 2 opens with the van, big-check and professional-balloon holder to present.  I agree that the angle is not great, but hoping it is just a one-shot deal, which missed out on its payoff shot today.

Why slot Punch 5th?  Because you are hoping, hoping and hoping that somebody actually wins a pricing game before then.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on October 07, 2013, 05:24:18 PM
Question, apologies if this is asked, (looking at Steve or someone else).

When is the last time we've had 6 sponsored plugs? I'm not sure since I've taken over as a recapper that I've had one set of 6 grocery items and all plugged by George.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MSTieScott on October 07, 2013, 05:42:20 PM
There was a stopdown between the first and second games, different from the tapings I attended last year.  I don't know if that's an Adam thing or because they played Hole in One next or what, but they stopped.

It was because they played Hole in One second. That game requires too much setup time to be completed while the One Bid is in progress.

Hey, Scott, did you take the "SHHH!!" sign with you?  They didn't hold it up during Hole in One.

Well, odd post-production decisions aside, the audience seemed to know to be quiet during last week's Clock Game, so I'm guessing it's still there. Maybe they didn't realize they could use it for Hole in One, as well.


I don't understand the criticism of Punch a Bunch sixth during Publishers Clearing House week -- last season, all of the cash games wound up getting played fifth and sixth during that week, too. The only difference is that last season, I advised against playing Punch a Bunch for the sole reason that a model waving a $25,000 bill around at the beginning of the game was awfully similar to a contestant waving a $20,000 Publishers Clearing House check around.

(Hopefully they realize that Pay the Rent would be a bad idea this week, as it would dwarf the Publishers Clearing House $20,000 prize. Which would mean three weeks into the season, and still no Pay the Rent!)
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Cartboy on October 07, 2013, 06:00:30 PM
Nice wins on One Wrong Price & That's Too Much!  Not too good other than that, IMHO.

As for Hole In One, I like the split screen shot better.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Kev347 on October 07, 2013, 06:06:37 PM
I don't understand the criticism of Punch a Bunch sixth during Publishers Clearing House week -- last season, all of the cash games wound up getting played fifth and sixth during that week, too. The only difference is that last season, I advised against playing Punch a Bunch for the sole reason that a model waving a $25,000 bill around at the beginning of the game was awfully similar to a contestant waving a $20,000 Publishers Clearing House check around.

(Hopefully they realize that Pay the Rent would be a bad idea this week, as it would dwarf the Publishers Clearing House $20,000 prize. Which would mean three weeks into the season, and still no Pay the Rent!)

You are completely correct about these observations and I was not happy to see it show up today. Not to mention, if it's a winless show and someone pulls the 10k slip and wants to bail out, that's now an awkward forced situation where it could affect gameplay because it essentially becomes a 10k vs 45k decision. I do have to ask though - why was Plinko played last year? This seems to me to be even worse, because the game is winless, at least by Roger's definition, since it debuted. Or has that definition of a "win" changed?
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GuyWithFace on October 07, 2013, 07:03:24 PM
Something else I am wondering, and I am reasonably certain I asked this in regard to the last PCH week -- is the $20,000 award only limited to the first half? Further, what happens if an episode this week goes without a pricing game winner?

{whole recollection of doing reaction shots with a Showcase player for 10-15 minutes to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm the stage director wanted in the first place}
:headbang:

Someone please post Nick's recollection in the "Mike Richards wants to hear from you!" thread, as he most certainly needs to see this.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: itonosato304 on October 07, 2013, 07:26:35 PM
WTF IS WRONG WITH HOLE IN ONE? I feel like Hole in One is supposed to be the closest thing to a winnable game for a car you'll see on The Price is Right, and yet contestants keep committing two cardinal sins by not knowing what products to pick and second they miss both putts, usually by a wide margin.

And, worst of all, when one misses both putts by a wide margin, it leaves me wondering "What if?", as in "What if Regina knew what products to choose in the first place?" Perhaps she would not have missed those putts by a wide, wide margin.

THE GAMEPLAY ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT HAS GOT BE A LOT BETTER IN THE FUTURE, AND YOU CAN NOT BE MAKING SILLY, SILLY MISTAKES ON SEEMINGLY EASY PRICING GAMES, AND EXCEPT TO WIN.

Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: wink87 on October 07, 2013, 07:40:02 PM
Someone dosen't like this game being lost.  :roll:
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Banana on October 07, 2013, 09:08:44 PM
I usually don't agree with you guys, but in the case of Hole In One's new camera angle, I completely agree that it's awful. MannyCav nailed it on the first page (by the way Manny, this is the same Banana from the Mario Kart Wii board on Gamefaqs; hi!). There was nothing wrong with the original split screen view and with my TV, I too was unable to see the player's putting stance. This is the same problem I have with the price reveal in Coming Or Going. Can't see the last three digits of the correct price in that game. Why does TPIR feel the need to alienate those of us who are unable to upgrade our TV's picture to full HD? It's uncalled for. Hopefully this was just a one time deal for this game. Maybe it had something to do with the PCH crew being behind the door where the original back view camera for this game was. TPIR probably moved the camera out of the way to give room for PCH to greet the player had she won (sadly, she didn't; seriously, that SP setup was brutal!). Whatever the reason may be, I hope it's just a one time only thing because if it isn't, I'll be annoyed, that's for sure.

I was also surprised to see Punch-A-Bunch in the lineup today. If the previous game wasn't won, can you imagine giving $20,000 on top of $25,000 if the contestant found that slip? Basically $45,000 won in that game had it happened. That's insane! I'm not saying it's bad, but wow. That was an interesting choice for a game to be played on a day like this. Oh well, I'm just happy to see we didn't get skunked. It was looking bad at the start, but thankfully the second half was good. Seeing That's Too Much! being won is always a great sight.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: dad90 on October 07, 2013, 09:26:17 PM
Oh no no no no no no no.

Well, since I'm going to be reviewing about these episodes starting today, let me break it down in terms of:

Pricing Games: (A+ - F-)

Showcase Showdowns #1/#2: (Excellent - Bad)

Showcases: (A+ - F-) (with a Super F-- for DOB, and a Super A++ for DSW)

Winnings: $200,000+: (A+)
$175,000-$199,999: (A)
$150,000-$174,999: (A-)
$125,000-$149,999: (B+)
$100,000-$124,999: (B)
$90,000-$99,999: (B-)
$80,000-$89,999: (C+)
$75,000-$79,999: (C)
$50,000-$74,999: (C-)
$40,000-$49,999: (D)
$39,999 or lower: (F)
4-digit win (For some reason): (F--)

Overall: (??)

So, let's begin.

Pricing Games:
Push Over -> B+  (This is due to the fact it was either $5,000+ or $6,000+.  Unfortunately, it was the $5,000+)
Hole In One -> A solitary F (The Hole in One new camera angle is TERRIBLE!  I dunno what Adam smoked, but he sure failed.  If Bob and Roger saw this, they would be shocked as well.  The contestant didn't fare ANY better in terms of groceries.)
Do The Math -> C (To me, this was easy.  The accessories are cheaper than the computer.  Unfortunately, the peanut gallery got peanuts in their brains and told Consuelo to add instead of subtract.  And the "Family Feud" X is better compared to this X.)
One Wrong Price -> B+ (I thought it was the motorcycle, but I was wrong.)
Punch A Bunch -> B- (Punch A Bunch is Punch A Bunch.  Enough said.)
That's Too Much -> A (TTM is rarely won, and this is another one of those times.)

Showcase Showdown #1 -> Fair
Showcase Showdown #2 -> Good (.95 / $1.00 / $1.05 - When do you see these?)

Showcases: C (As much as I like the models here, switching "guest" models from other shows is not good!  Where are the other regular models? Even I'm beginning to like Rob for some reason.)

Winnings: $83,539 (C+)

Overall: A little Below Average (I'm beginning to wonder: Did these contestants ever signed up for PCH in the first place?  Or from last year for that matter?)

Well, this is only the beginning.  I'll see you tomorrow.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: itonosato304 on October 07, 2013, 09:55:48 PM
Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with the new camera angle in Hole in One, but the gameplay in Hole in One still infuriates me more than it does on Bullseye or Cliffhangers, because contestants keep committing the two cardinal sins of not knowing what products to pick, and then missing the first putt, then failing to take advantage of the second.

And, when contestants don't know what products to pick, and miss both putts by a wide margin, it leaves me wondering "WHAT IF?"

As in, what if the contestant had chosen the products wisely, and actually made one of those two putts, and not missed them by a wide margin?

So far this season, I have questioned the atrocious gameplay in some of the easy pricing games such as Ciffhangers, Bullseye and now Hole in One, and I happen to think the contestants are to blame for making them hard to win by making silly, silly and sometimes even fatal mistakes.

At some point this season, the gameplay in future playings on such each games as Bullseye, Cliffhangers and Hole in one has got to be a lot better.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: whammy007 on October 07, 2013, 09:59:17 PM
Is it possible that they only changed the camera angle for Hole in One because it is PCH week?  If the putt is made, door 2 opens with the van, big-check and professional-balloon holder to present.  I agree that the angle is not great, but hoping it is just a one-shot deal, which missed out on its payoff shot today.

This is a good point, and I hope that this is the case - we'll have to watch and see on Hole's next playing (or will that be its previous playing? I'm not sure where this falls in taping order).

As for today's show...

He Shoots, He Scores (the good stuff): That's Too Much being won - that's a rare occurrence, but it was set up to be pretty darn winnable today. One Wrong Price was also won, but that was sore-thumb obvious that the game table was probably not $4K+. Pretty good bids on the Showcases, including a sub-1000 by Katie on Rachel's FRATS.

Five For Fighting (the bad stuff): Push Over, lost on what was more or less a 50/50 setup. Do the Math, lost due to a sexed-up iMac (when they say upgraded, they do NOT mess around). Punch, not bad in the SP pricing segment but unlucky punches by Zachary.

Here Comes The Shanaban (the ugly stuff): Hole in One, just in general. Nasty setup, not-so-good putting... at least that's what it looked like, but who can tell with that angle? I hope sidey is right and it's a PCH-only change. Also, the abundance of guest models - where are all our regulars, seriously? I don't mind a guest once in a while, but having so many inexperienced models can slow the show down.

Overall, could've been worse, but for PCH Week where you want lots of winners, the bar needs to be set higher. Underwhelming week-opener for the special.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Jordanar18 on October 07, 2013, 10:02:26 PM
The gameplay in Hole in One still infuriates me more than it does on Bullseye or Cliffhangers, because contestants keep committing the two cardinal sins of not knowing what products to pick, and then missing the first putt, then failing to take advantage of the second.

Go easy on the contestants.  I believe in her mind she thought (or was convinced by the audience) that the gloves were in fact the least expensive item.  Add to that, I imagine most contestants are nervous when playing pricing games, and in Hole in One, which actually requires physical skill, was even more nervewracking than usual today.  Anyone trying to make a 12-foot putt for a car AND $20,000 would be shaking in their boots.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: PriceBusterXL on October 07, 2013, 10:12:45 PM
I usually don't agree with you guys, but in the case of Hole In One's new camera angle, I completely agree that it's awful. MannyCav nailed it on the first page (by the way Manny, this is the same Banana from the Mario Kart Wii board on Gamefaqs; hi!). There was nothing wrong with the original split screen view and with my TV, I too was unable to see the player's putting stance. This is the same problem I have with the price reveal in Coming Or Going. Can't see the last three digits of the correct price in that game. Why does TPIR feel the need to alienate those of us who are unable to upgrade our TV's picture to full HD? It's uncalled for. Hopefully this was just a one time deal for this game. Maybe it had something to do with the PCH crew being behind the door where the original back view camera for this game was. TPIR probably moved the camera out of the way to give room for PCH to greet the player had she won (sadly, she didn't; seriously, that SP setup was brutal!). Whatever the reason may be, I hope it's just a one time only thing because if it isn't, I'll be annoyed, that's for sure.

I was also surprised to see Punch-A-Bunch in the lineup today. If the previous game wasn't won, can you imagine giving $20,000 on top of $25,000 if the contestant found that slip? Basically $45,000 won in that game had it happened. That's insane! I'm not saying it's bad, but wow. That was an interesting choice for a game to be played on a day like this. Oh well, I'm just happy to see we didn't get skunked. It was looking bad at the start, but thankfully the second half was good. Seeing That's Too Much! being won is always a great sight.
Personally, when it came to this week, I really don't think a casher should've been played.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Torgo on October 07, 2013, 10:14:01 PM
The low point was the Showcases, and while I don't know what's been the case with reshooting come on downs as has been said, but after the show, they did a whole bunch of reaction shots with Katie standing behind her Showcase podium alone on the Turntable.  They spent anywhere from ten to fifteen minutes until they finally got what they wanted out of her.  I don't know who the stage director is now, but he kept asking her to react to the home gym to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm out of her ("You gave me a ten.  I need a six!").

This makes me sad.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: thepriceis_J on October 07, 2013, 10:26:08 PM
Directing contestants on how excited they can be? They can't be more excited than usual since they're on TV and have a chance to win a nice prize even if it isn't a car? That's terrible. I've accepted some things since reshoots became the norm (even the redoing of CODs), but that crosses the line. Let the reactions happen. Go with the flow. Unless it's something that's absolutely unairable, let it go.

Sideshow brought up an excellent point as to why Hole in One was shot the way it was. That makes so much sense, that it's probably the case. At least I hope it is.

Nothing is wrong with a casher being played, but it'd be best if it was the last game every show this week and the first three or four (for me preferably three) games, potentially excluding the car games at their discretion, are setup to be won.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GameShowFan1987 on October 07, 2013, 10:28:32 PM
I really hope that Hole in One shot goes away.  That was awful.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: mrbrown2195 on October 07, 2013, 11:06:15 PM
The first big change from when I attended last November is the contestant release form has dramatically changed.
When I went a few months ago, it was the first time I went where everybody in line had to sign a contestant release form. In years past, I never had to sign anything... so that's a pretty dramatic change in of itself.

If anybody is curious as to what this "dramatically long" legal document says (it's 3 front & back pages), I've put it up for download here (https://www.dropbox.com/s/107r6wpm6ukmdgi/TPIRcontestantrelease.pdf). Maybe I'm biased, being a lawyer and all, but I think it's what we like to refer to in my profession as "plain English" for the most part.

Among the highlights:
-It tells you the eligibility requirements, which they already go over in line about 1000 times.
-You agree that you are eligible, unless you note otherwise.
-You agree that the producer is not obligated to select you as a contestant (duh!).
-You agree not to plug a commercial product, along with some language about how "payola" is against federal law.
-You agree not to rip off the program.
-You agree you have been informed of the rules and to cooperate with the Producer's directions.
-Confidentiality agreement till the show airs w/ a pretty darn clear forfeiture clause (it's in BOLD).
-They can use your image in promotion.
-They are not obligated to award prizes if your show doesn't air.
-You agree to pay taxes.
-CBS agrees to deliver the prizes.
-Liability waiver (you agree not to sue 'em if you die on the program).
-Prizes may be substituted.
-You agree to arbitration in lieu of suing CBS or Fremantle.

I'm really surprised they didn't implement this sooner, given the fact that the program is one of the most sued on the planet (and I believe one of the most recent lawsuits was over PRIZES). They're like the Phillie Phanatic of Game Shows.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Flerbert419 on October 07, 2013, 11:25:12 PM
I don't know when they were expecting to get the win that the show needed today. Push Over was a tossup, Hole had really tough prizes, Punch-A-Bunch is never won, and TTM is almost never won.  I guess you can throw Do The Math and One Wrong Price in the lineup and think that you will get at least one of the two, but that almost didn't happen today.  Whoever wins their showcase wins an extra $20,000?

The loss today confirmed that Do The Math still needs help with the reveal.

Glad we didn't have to explain to somebody how they "lost" with $10,000 on Punch.

I have no problem with Adam trying the new angle on Hole today.  It didn't work, but I have no issue with him trying it.  The green also looks much longer with the split screen, and the putt appears more difficult.  Adam has hit on some things over the past few weeks that have worked (TTM) but that jib zoom into the doors should not be used for every multiprize game.

I've also had enough of the guest models already.  Melissa did not know where to stand during the OWP reveal, and the cameraman couldn't figure out how to get her out of the shot.

Anyway, they didn't say anything about anything you weren't allowed to mention after the show aired, so onwards and forwards.

Actually (and thanks to Mr. Brown for putting it up), it seems as though you are more than welcome to spoil anything before a show airs if you don't win anything.

I don't know who the stage director is now, but he kept asking her to react to the home gym to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm out of her ("You gave me a ten.  I need a six!").

This is very sad.  Fabricated reactions...for what purpose, exactly?

THE GAMEPLAY ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT HAS GOT BE A LOT BETTER IN THE FUTURE, AND YOU CAN NOT BE MAKING SILLY, SILLY MISTAKES ON SEEMINGLY EASY PRICING GAMES, AND EXCEPT TO WIN.

You seem to imply people are making these mistakes on purpose, like they should have known better.  Everybody is trying to win.  If you can do better, head on down to the BBS and prove it.

Well, this is only the beginning.  I'll see you tomorrow.

Can we fast forward to the end?  We try not to judge shows based only on total winnings.

I usually don't agree with you guys...

Welcome to the boards!
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MannyCav on October 07, 2013, 11:34:37 PM
(by the way Manny, this is the same Banana from the Mario Kart Wii board on Gamefaqs; hi!).
Welcome to Golden-Road.net. Some of the crew there would suffer brain aneurysms if they saw the level of discussion and dissection that I do here. I still wish I could post my full email response to the, *ahem*, Television Competition Program Refuse web page contributor, but alas, it must remain hidden due to orders, letting sleeping dogs lie, keeping the hatchet buried, and all that.
-They are not obligated to award prizes if your show doesn't air.
I'm fairly certain this clause wasn't always be the case.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: mrbrown2195 on October 07, 2013, 11:43:08 PM
I'm fairly certain this clause wasn't always be the case.

Nope, I'm fairly certain this has been the case with every single game show that's been produced in the past 50 years.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: vadernader on October 07, 2013, 11:49:24 PM
Actually (and thanks to Mr. Brown for putting it up), it seems as though you are more than welcome to spoil anything before a show airs if you don't win anything.

Actually, no. The bold part is what sticks out but the paragraph above is more important. (Assuming they have a very liberal definition of "participation in the program" meaning just being in the audience and not on-stage, which is what I am assuming it to be.)

Code: [Select]
I acknowledge that in connection with my participation on the Program, I will acquire confidential information
about CBS, Producer and the Program, including trade secrets, operational methods, contestant winnings, and the outcome
of the episode in which I appear (collectively, "Confidential Information''). I further acknowledge that any disclosure by me
of Confidential Information prior to CBS's broadcast of the episode will eliminate the suspense regarding the outcome of
the episode to viewers watching the Program which will result in irreparable damage to Producer, and CBS therefore, I
hereby expressly agree that Producer and CBS shall be entitled to injunctive and other equitable relief, without posting any
bond, to prevent and/or cure any breach or threatened breach of this paragraph by me. Accordingly, I agree that at all times
prior to CBS's broadcast of the Program, I will not, without prior written approval of Producer and CBS, disclose or discuss
with anyone (including, without limitation, any media source or entity) any Confidential Information that I have obtained in connection with my participation in the program.

That being said, I don't think they would go after some random guy on twitter who spoils a Honda being won. They don't seem like the group who would want to "Make an Example" of someone just to prevent that sorta stuff.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: SteveGavazzi on October 07, 2013, 11:49:39 PM
It bothers me that the $20,000 gimmick affects a contestant's position in the Showcase Showdown and the Showcase.

What in the hell was Adam doing during Hole in One?  That was some of the worst directing I've ever seen -- it was next to impossible to tell where the ball was headed, and some people watching in SD were apparently having trouble even seeing it.  That was just plain stupid.

On the other hand, it was extremely refreshing to have sponsors on almost all of the groceries.

Yay for That's Too Much! being won!

If the deal with Publisher's Clearing House week is twenty grand to the first winner of the day, why would you schedule the now-nearly-impossible-to-win Punch a Bunch in the second half?  It's not helping prevent the very possible scenario that they've had no winners by the end of the show.

Never mind that it would be extremely awkward to give somebody a bonus of $20,000 for winning $25,000.

The low point was the Showcases, and while I don't know what's been the case with reshooting come on downs as has been said, but after the show, they did a whole bunch of reaction shots with Katie standing behind her Showcase podium alone on the Turntable.  They spent anywhere from ten to fifteen minutes until they finally got what they wanted out of her.  I don't know who the stage director is now, but he kept asking her to react to the home gym to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm out of her ("You gave me a ten.  I need a six!").

So now they're halfway scripting the show.  Fantastic.

Mark Goodson would be rolling over in his grave if he knew this was going on.

Is it possible that they only changed the camera angle for Hole in One because it is PCH week?  If the putt is made, door 2 opens with the van, big-check and professional-balloon holder to present.  I agree that the angle is not great, but hoping it is just a one-shot deal, which missed out on its payoff shot today.

That's entirely possible.  And you know what?  I really don't care.  It was still an absolutely moronic thing to do.  If you can't shoot the game from the usual angle, either you get rid of the reason you can't shoot it or, if that isn't an option, you don't play the game.  There's no excuse for changing the directing so drastically that it becomes impossible for viewers to follow the proceedings.

Oh no no no no no no no.

Well, since I'm going to be reviewing about these episodes starting today, let me break it down in terms of:

<Massive quantities of grading criteria snipped>

Bud...seriously...don't do this.  For your own sake, just comment on the episodes.  Don't come up with some convoluted scoring system that nobody besides you is even going to read.

And finally...

WTF IS WRONG WITH HOLE IN ONE? I feel like Hole in One is supposed to be the closest thing to a winnable game for a car you'll see on The Price is Right, and yet contestants keep committing two cardinal sins by not knowing what products to pick and second they miss both putts, usually by a wide margin.

And, worst of all, when one misses both putts by a wide margin, it leaves me wondering "What if?", as in "What if Regina knew what products to choose in the first place?" Perhaps she would not have missed those putts by a wide, wide margin.

THE GAMEPLAY ON THE PRICE IS RIGHT HAS GOT BE A LOT BETTER IN THE FUTURE, AND YOU CAN NOT BE MAKING SILLY, SILLY MISTAKES ON SEEMINGLY EASY PRICING GAMES, AND EXCEPT TO WIN.

Personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with the new camera angle in Hole in One, but the gameplay in Hole in One still infuriates me more than it does on Bullseye or Cliffhangers, because contestants keep committing the two cardinal sins of not knowing what products to pick, and then missing the first putt, then failing to take advantage of the second.

And, when contestants don't know what products to pick, and miss both putts by a wide margin, it leaves me wondering "WHAT IF?"

As in, what if the contestant had chosen the products wisely, and actually made one of those two putts, and not missed them by a wide margin?

So far this season, I have questioned the atrocious gameplay in some of the easy pricing games such as Ciffhangers, Bullseye and now Hole in One, and I happen to think the contestants are to blame for making them hard to win by making silly, silly and sometimes even fatal mistakes.

At some point this season, the gameplay in future playings on such each games as Bullseye, Cliffhangers and Hole in one has got to be a lot better.

Dude.  Calm.  The hell.  DOWN.

Your posts are bizarre, and I'm getting tired of it.  I already deleted three of them last week because they were borderline gibberish (two of them were also replies to yourself).  I have no qualms about doing it again if this keeps up.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: PriceBusterXL on October 07, 2013, 11:56:13 PM
Directing contestants on how excited they can be? They can't be more excited than usual since they're on TV and have a chance to win a nice prize even if it isn't a car? That's terrible. I've accepted some things since reshoots became the norm (even the redoing of CODs), but that crosses the line. Let the reactions happen. Go with the flow. Unless it's something that's absolutely unairable, let it go.

Sideshow brought up an excellent point as to why Hole in One was shot the way it was. That makes so much sense, that it's probably the case. At least I hope it is.

Nothing is wrong with a casher being played, but it'd be best if it was the last game every show this week and the first three or four (for me preferably three) games, potentially excluding the car games at their discretion, are setup to be won.
Well, maybe I'm not totally against the idea of a casher being played on a gimmick week such as this............But I do think that there are certain ones that shouldn't go together for this week. Punch (from today) and Plinko are pretty much just giving you a chance to win $50K or $25K and if you put either one of them on PCH $20,000 Week, I just think it'd be too much of a gamble.

If Mike wants to put a cash game for a gimmick week like this, then that's fine..........As long as there are ones that can be guaranteed to be won, like IITB, Grand Game, or 1/2 Off. One of those cashers would be OK.....but not Pay The Rent.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MannyCav on October 08, 2013, 12:07:09 AM
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That being said, I don't think they would go after some random guy on twitter who spoils a Honda being won. They don't seem like the group who would want to "Make an Example" of someone just to prevent that sorta stuff.
At the risk of making this about legal stuff, if they did, in fact, feel compelled to make an example out of and go after random Honda man from the audience in your example, what, exactly, could they do under "injunctive and other equitable relief?" Forfeiture of prizes is obviously not an option (the case being that the audience member never played), so you're stuck with a pocket ban of never being called down to the row (never being selected) or a (possibly lifetime) ban from setting foot on the studio premises. If they wanted to seek financial damages, how much would the courts value this "irreparable damage"? How would they determine what the plaintiff is entitled to?

If you'd (well, probably mrbrown) have to crowd the topic with too much legalese in order to properly respond, there's no need to feel compelled to respond just in order to satisfy my personal curiosity (I don't intend on needing any such advice or whatever, anyway), but it is just that--personal curiosity.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: vadernader on October 08, 2013, 12:17:06 AM
It bothers me that the $20,000 gimmick affects a contestant's position in the Showcase Showdown and the Showcase.

What in the hell was Adam doing during Hole in One?  That was some of the worst directing I've ever seen -- it was next to impossible to tell where the ball was headed, and some people watching in SD were apparently having trouble even seeing it.  That was just plain stupid.

Agreed and Agreed. The $20,000 should not be counted in either of those cases. As for Adam, His directing has some positive aspects, but there are definitely huge negatives, the main one I can easily think of is his obsession. the freakin' Jib.

So now they're halfway scripting the show.  Fantastic.

Mark Goodson would be rolling over in his grave if he knew this was going on.

I don't think so. First, I think he's run out of grave with all the rolling for everything else the new regime has done "wrongly". But second, because Goodson was an innovator. I'm sure most here might not like to think of scripting parts as innovation, but I think this quote puts it best.

Here's why I don't sweat this small stuff: 

Back in the 70’s game show pioneer Mark Goodson made the bold move to take a hit formula show, TPIR, to a theretofore unheard of one hour format!.  People, audience, fans, partners and critics alike said to Goodson “No, don’t do it!”!

Goodson pushed forward.  He hired a brash and brilliant young producer (Jay Wolpert), who brought a fresh, outrageous (for the times) approach to the show with crazy showcase skits, and regular theme shows.  And all the while the naysayers of Goodson's time cried "Don't change anything!", “It will be the death of The Price Is Right!”.   But Mark Goodson stayed true to his genius vision, and CBS in their own programming savvy, endorsed Goodson by allotting the new 60minute TPIR the coveted “Golden Hour”.

Those early years weren’t easy, and just like now there were plenty of things that were constantly worked and re-worked, or tossed out completely (remember Professor Price or The Shower Game?).  But throughout it all Mark Goodson consistently ignored the naysayers of his day, just like Drew and The Crew are probably ignoring all these continual naysayers.  Because of Mark Goodson’s genius, and his unshakeable vision, decades later we still have the first ever hour long game show in television history.

As far as the whole "I want a six you're giving me a ten!", I think that is just trying to make sure contestants don't seem "fake". I think one of the big complaints nowadays is that people believe the producers hype the contestants up so much and/or the contestants think they are supposed to act like that to get called, that they become someone they aren't. Someone overly goofy and/or excited, too excited, for a little prize like a gym. I think the extra couple minutes to calm someone down on a smaller prize makes for better television. I would rather see someone mildy excited or not excited at all for a small prize than "over-the-top" like it's $1,000,000.

At the risk of making this about legal stuff, if they did, in fact, feel compelled to make an example out of and go after random Honda man from the audience in your example, what, exactly, could they do under "injunctive and other equitable relief?" Forfeiture of prizes is obviously not an option (the case being that the audience member never played), so you're stuck with a pocket ban of never being called down to the row (never being selected) or a (possibly lifetime) ban from setting foot on the studio premises. If they wanted to seek financial damages, how much would the courts value this "irreparable damage"? How would they determine what the plaintiff is entitled to?

I believe what would happen is the person who leaked such information would be prohibited from returning to the BBS for a given period of time with agreement that once they are allowed to return they agree that if they repeat the offense they will be permanently 'banned' from the BBS. If there was money involved (I don't believe there would be, based on the aforementioned agreement), they could be discussing how much revenue they gain from one episode and basing it off that, probably bankrupting the person.

However, again, I highly highly doubt they would ever do this.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on October 08, 2013, 12:22:16 AM
Quote from: SteveGavazzi
What in the hell was Adam doing during Hole in One?  That was some of the worst directing I've ever seen -- it was next to impossible to tell where the ball was headed, and some people watching in SD were apparently having trouble even seeing it.  That was just plain stupid.

Speaking from someone who has an SDTV, you couldn't see Regina the first time, could only see her left side 2nd time.

Drew was barely visible if at all.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: whinbaby on October 08, 2013, 12:47:41 AM
The 7,893rd episode (21st for Season 42)

Showcase #1
My bid:  $27,700 (Difference of $224! :dsw:)

Showcase #2
My bid:  $24,000 (D'oh!)

Modeling Totals:  October 7, 2013 (OSAD 10/21)
Highs and lows among shows for the OSAD in previous years
High:  $82,653 (10/21/2003)
Low:  $13,528 (10/21/2004)

Rachel Reynolds
Total:  16/$87,754.00--New OSAD high! (13/$58,665.00, 3/$29,089.00)
Cars:  2/$49,820.00 (1/$24,070.00, 1/$25,750.00)
Trips:  3/$23,543.00 (3/$23,543.00, 0/$0.00)
Cash Prizes:  0/$0.00 (0/$0.00, 0/$0.00)

Melissa Rycroft
Total:  10/$57,874.00 (4/$7,539.00, 6/$50,335.00)
Cars:  1/$15,595.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$15,595.00)
Trips:  1/$5,396.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$5,396.00)
Cash Prizes:  1/$25,000.00 (0/$250.00, 1/$24,750.00)

All Prizes
Total:  25/$144,028.00 (16/$64,604.00, 9/$79,424.00)
Cars:  3/$65,415.00 (1/$24,070.00, 2/$41,345.00)
Trips:  4/$28,939.00 (3/$23,543.00, 1/$5,396.00)
Cash Prizes:  1/$25,000.00 (0/$250.00, 1/$24,750.00)

Season to date
Rachel Reynolds (11 shows)
Total:  166/$715,704.00 (108/$320,576.00, 58/$395,128.00)
Cars:  16/$332,444.00 (4/$83,147.00, 12/$249,297.00)
Trips:  23/$180,758.00 (17/$135,796.00, 6/$44,962.00)
Cash Prizes:  1/$16,000.00 (0/$0.00, 1/$16,000.00)

All Prizes (11 shows)
Total:  311/$1,791,720.22 (191/$695,872.00, 120/$1,095,848.22)
Cars:  34/$681,423.00 (11/$217,004.00, 23/$464,419.00)
Trips:  37/$283,521.00 (24/$192,243.00, 13/$91,278.00)
Cash Prizes:  14/$417,500.00 (1/$39,250.00, 13/$378,250.00)

Career to date
Rachel Reynolds (1,216 shows)
Total:  11,467/$60,645,304.17 (7,140/$27,240,308.15, 4,327/$33,404,996.02)
Cars:  1,236/$27,924,874.00 (481/$10,378,232.00, 755/$17,546,642.00)
Trips:  1,010/$7,660,054.83 (532/$3,902,335.20, 478/$3,757,719.63)
Cash Prizes:  195/$2,260,227.00 (39/$397,198.00, 156/$1,863,029.00)

My viewing to date (2,377 shows)
Total:  61,988/$338,407,448.89 (38,585/$147,166,505.72, 23,403/$191,240,943.17)
Cars:  6,719/$144,765,491.51 (2,601/$54,749,332.51, 4,118/$90,016,159.00)
Trips:  4,990/$34,933,651.20 (2,569/$17,905,168.20, 2,421/$17,028,483.00)
Cash Prizes:  1,770/$38,315,982.00 (348/$6,266,540.00, 1,422/$32,049,442.00)
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: SteveGavazzi on October 08, 2013, 01:20:29 AM
I don't think so. First, I think he's run out of grave with all the rolling for everything else the new regime has done "wrongly". But second, because Goodson was an innovator. I'm sure most here might not like to think of scripting parts as innovation, but I think this quote puts it best.

And I think you're being completely ludicrous.  The idea that Goodson would ever have wanted retakes of contestant reactions is nuts.  The man wouldn't even allow scripted zingers on the Squares portion of The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour because he thought it made it look like they were rigging things.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: htmlcc92 on October 08, 2013, 01:45:11 AM
Not too bad of an episode in my opinion. I don't really care either way about the angle in Hole in One. In my view, I was still able to see, for example, that Drew's shot was clearly too far to the left, and the contestant's was very close, but just to the right.

I know they had it last week as well, but I do also really love the win / loss reveal for That's Too Much, showing the price the contestant selected and the one immediately preceding it.

And always love random shout outs to Bob during the spay or neuter plug.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: thepriceis_J on October 08, 2013, 01:56:34 AM
As far as the whole "I want a six you're giving me a ten!", I think that is just trying to make sure contestants don't seem "fake". I think one of the big complaints nowadays is that people believe the producers hype the contestants up so much and/or the contestants think they are supposed to act like that to get called, that they become someone they aren't. Someone overly goofy and/or excited, too excited, for a little prize like a gym. I think the extra couple minutes to calm someone down on a smaller prize makes for better television. I would rather see someone mildy excited or not excited at all for a small prize than "over-the-top" like it's $1,000,000.
So they're trying to make contestants not seem "fake" by faking their reactions? :P

I completely understand your point, but I'm of the mindset that they should just let those things play out. The best moments happen that way. If I want to complain that a contestant is fake, then I'm fine with that. That isn't the shows fault, it's the contestants', and the show shouldn't try to fix it. I'm fully confident in Stan's ability to pick contestants. Even with the picture selection process, Stan is there with Mike to help him pick. If some slip through the cracks, I'm not holding it against the show (unless the contestants turn out to be jerks).
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: Paranoia_Survivor on October 08, 2013, 04:01:57 AM
Regarding Do the Math, I think the reveal would work better if the answer ( red X if wrong, chalk fireworks if right ) is revealed before the second price. For me, it's a bit simpler to think "The contestant has won/lost therefore the price of the 2nd prize is $X" than "The price of the 2nd prize is $X, therefore the contestant has won/lost".

Another possibility to improve this is that since the set is school/chalkboard based , a possibility of doing the reveal would be to have Drew ask "is the contestant right" then on the main screen either an A+ is drawn on indicating a winner, or an F indicating a loser. This would then be followed by the reveal of the 2nd price.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GuyWithFace on October 08, 2013, 05:47:28 PM
Something I utterly failed to notice when I posted earlier in the thread is that this does confirm the $20,000 is not in fact limited to the first half.

I completely understand your point, but I'm of the mindset that they should just let those things play out. The best moments happen that way.
Retaking contestant reactions has been done on primetime game shows for at least the past seven years. This page (http://loogslair.wordpress.com/2013/03/23/the-20-worst-game-shows-of-the-past-10-years/) has a recollection from a Show Me The Money audience member where a reveal and subsequent celebration were redone at least twice for no discernible reason.

[Goodson] wouldn't even allow scripted zingers on the Squares portion of The Match Game/Hollywood Squares Hour because he thought it made it look like they were rigging things.
...A decision which caused the program to suffer, along with the question quality. One of his few missteps, without a doubt.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MannyCav on October 09, 2013, 12:27:50 PM
The low point was the Showcases, and while I don't know what's been the case with reshooting come on downs as has been said, but after the show, they did a whole bunch of reaction shots with Katie standing behind her Showcase podium alone on the Turntable.  They spent anywhere from ten to fifteen minutes until they finally got what they wanted out of her.  I don't know who the stage director is now, but he kept asking her to react to the home gym to get the "right" amount of enthusiasm out of her ("You gave me a ten.  I need a six!").

That did it for me.  If they're trying to engineer the excitement out of the contestants in this way, then perhaps there isn't much excitement left to the show in its current state.  Still, I had a ticket for a taping the following week.  That show airs next Monday.
I've been mulling over this for a while. This is really an unfortunate (and for the show, sad) state of affairs. The case now appears to be they're giving what is essentially acting lessons to the contestants so they can retake shots. Everyone acts similarly, and as has been reported before, they assign seats based on where they want to place the contestants themselves, so you've got that part engineered, as well. Also, rather than the contestants showing genuine enthusiasm for the prizes, you've got Drew telling all car-winners to go see their cars, and this has been going on for years now. What was one among many parts of what made the show exciting to watch in the past was how genuine it was, and the wide cast of contestants, yea, characters that participated. You didn't know who was going to show up or how they would react to the prizes, the games, or even the television atmosphere. Remember Secret X Alberto (he's on the DVD)? He was a very bland-acting contest, but he's still memorable to me because of how differently he acted from others. Or how about that Golden Road motorhome winner that shot up the crowd to celebrate with friends and family after winning without Bob prompting him? There's too many examples to list here because this was the norm. Again, a wide cast of characters made for genuine and more exciting television.

Where's that signature I see floating around here sometimes where someone points out the irony of the predictability of the show's attempt to go towards the variety show direction?
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: GuyWithFace on October 09, 2013, 02:54:40 PM
Remember Secret X Alberto (he's on the DVD)? He was a very bland-acting contest, but he's still memorable to me because of how differently he acted from others.
I believe you are thinking of Poker Game. The Alberto that comes to mind was on the first permanent hour-long show, and barely even moved the Big Wheel.
Title: Re: TPiR Recap - 10/7/2013 (2013 PCH Week Day 1)
Post by: MannyCav on October 09, 2013, 03:00:24 PM
I swore it was Secret X. I guess I was mixing up two different occasions. In any case, you're thinking of the correct Alberto.