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Title: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Joe_Capitano on January 06, 2010, 02:51:25 PM
Untitled
Production #4983K - Taped Oct. 26, 2009

Drew: stage entrance
First Four lineup: right to left
Handoff: Gwen

Models of the Day: Manuela Arbeláez, Gwendolyn Osborne-Smith and Rachel Reynolds
Wearing: Wildcat


1   (Grand Hall) Outdoor Grill (M)
TYLER *1200 JUSTIN 625 JONNA 875 ALEXANDER 876 ($1999)

Tyler from Indiana plays 1 RIGHT PRICE

Resin/Wicker Outdoor Lounger (G)$2466$2466
Almost Heaven Halo Spa (M)$3695WIN!

2   2 Digital Cameras (G&R)
MONTELLE 1200 +Justin 500 +Jonna *550 +Alexander 1 ($780)

Jonna plays BONKERS for a trip to St. Thomas (Delta Vacations; 6n @ Frenchman's)(M)($4548)

 7 3 5 4 Time
1.L H H L:20
2.L H L H:07WIN!

3   3 pc Glass/Stainless Bar Set (M)
Montelle 1550 +Justin 1201 GERI *1600 +Alexander 1200 ($1887)

Geri from Vallejo, CA plays LUCKY $EVEN for a Chevy Cobalt LS XFE (Std., Susp. Exhaust, AT, Mats, Prot)(R)

Picks:4 4 – –
Price:   $1 8 1 3 9
Bucks:7 3 0LOSS

SHOWDOWN #1
$1,887Geri  25 + 85OV
5,328Jonna1001.00*$1000*   Bonus 50   Through to Showcase Round
8,160Tyler  95 + 45OV

4   Designer Women's Accessories (R)
Montelle 1350 +Justin 850 ROCHELLE 1500 +Alexander *1100 ($1182)

Alexander, a student at Loyola, plays TAKE TWO (Target: $3294)

1st2nd
Largo Counter Height Dining Group––––1099
Dell Desktop Computer20172017
Inspire M2 Home Gym––––––––($2195)
wannamakermusic.com 19" HDTV/DVD Combo    614  ––––
$2631$3116LOSS

5   Cabinets To Go La Corra Bathroom Vanity (G)
Montelle 2500 +Justin 2100 Rochelle 2501 KATHRYN *1000 ($1001)

Kathryn from Brisbane, AUS plays PUNCHBOARD

Foot Massage Spa$85LOWER$99
(Koolatron) Soda Pop Machine100LOWER130
Guitar Hero Keychain25LOWER15*(14)500
(Jawbone) Bluetooth Headset110HIGHER139*(38)100LOSS

Justin's still in the Row, and Mimi is giving him the ol' staredown. Pressure's on. Will he free himself or will he be banished to the "First Four" Breakfast Club?

6   Pioneer Car Stereo System (M)
Montelle *1300 +Justin 950 Rochelle 1500 GLENDA 900 ($1342)

Justin heads off to the membership desk while Montelle plays THAT'S TOO MUCH! for a Subaru Forrester 2.5X (Std., 2.5l, Lights, Storage)(G)($21,290)

$13,860 $14,699 $15,998 $16,582 $17,141 $18,990 $19,980 $20,442 $22,891
LOSS

SHOWDOWN #2
$1,182Alexander80 stay.80
1,246Kathryn90 stay.90Through to Showcase Round
1,342Montelle20 + 40.60

SHOWCASE ROUND
Jonna has the honor.

SC1-Jonna Polaris Trailblazer 330 Offroad Vehicle (G)
2 Honda CRF100 Offroad Motorcycles (R)
Dodge Ram 1500 SLT (Std., PLocks, PWindows, AirBag, V8, Seat, Hitch, Bighorn)(M)
BID$36,790
PRICE45,512
DIFF–8,722
TOTAL$  6,328
SC2-Kathryn Jewels by Angelo Diamond/Gold Tennis Bracelet
Wine Class with a Sommelier
Modular Wine Storage System (R)
Trip to Paris (6n)(M)
BID$15,000
PRICE22,783
DIFF–7,783
TOTAL$24,038

Today's Pricing Games: 2 for 6
Total Winnings: $42,937


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REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED WITHOUT AUTHOR PERMISSION.

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: temptation1979ga on January 06, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
I find it ironic how the show tries to mix up the prizes and offer "cool" things like over-stuffed trips and impossible to price items to make the show less "predictable." Yet, the same things happen every single time a show airs. For example, That's too Ninth, uh, I mean, That's Too Much's correct price is ninth (or second...or ninth...or second...). Someone wins fewer than 3 punches on the Punchboard, a really mean Lucky Seven price, people bidding far less than what the showcases are worth, fewer than half the games are won on a single episode, etc.(I could continue, but you get the idea...) So, as it turns out, the show really is predictable now!

However, on the bright side, at least today's show wasn't yesterday's show!  :P
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: leafsfan17 on January 06, 2010, 03:27:25 PM
Nice two wins back to back to start off, but unfortunately, it went downhill from there. Let's hope things turn around soon.
The show really is predictable now!
And it wasn't predictable when Bob was hosting?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: temptation1979ga on January 06, 2010, 03:31:24 PM
You missed my entire point. That's exactly what I was talking about. In an effort to change what the new regime felt was "predictable," they ended up making the show more predictable than it ever has been.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: leafsfan17 on January 06, 2010, 03:45:50 PM
Ah, I get it now.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: JohnHolder on January 06, 2010, 03:48:36 PM
The numbers in the Lucky Seven price were a total of 13 away from the old frequently-used strategy that "5's across the board wins." If she'd called 5's as her first two choices, she would have lost right there.

EDIT to add: No different result than with the choices she did make.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: tpirfan28 on January 06, 2010, 03:48:43 PM
I find it ironic how the show tries to mix up the prizes and offer "cool" things like over-stuffed trips and impossible to price items to make the show less "predictable." Yet, the same things happen every single time a show airs. ...

My gosh this statement could not be more factually accurate.  +1 to you for stating this.  At least the lineups have stopped getting as predictable....

If I ever show up on TPIR and play That's Either the Second or Ninth Price, I'm telling Drew to reveal the first, then instantly either go to the second or ninth and saying THAT'S TOO MUCH! without looking at any other price in between.

Showcase One had a good collection of prizes, but man was that script disjointed.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: goldroadfanatic on January 06, 2010, 03:55:44 PM
The first showcase's script had something going for it, compared to that fustercluck of a sushi-themed showcase from a couple of days ago, 28.   Let's see what I can do for a rewrite:

Quote
This showcase contains prizes revealed as Rachel and Gwendolyn try to reach Rancho Cucamonga!  Unfortunately, they missed their plane ride to there, so Rachel goes around and commandeers your first prize, this off-road vehicle!

(Insert ATV plug)

Unfortunately, the ATV wasn't versatile enough to handle the rough terrain and they missed a train ride there, so Gwendolyn goes out and buys your second prize for Rachel and her, these new off-road motorcycles!

(Insert motorcycle plug)

Finally, Rachel and Gwendolyn are desperate to reach Rancho Cucamonga in such a quick fashion, the motorcycles and a normal automobile won't do to handle the rough terrain to there quickly, so they will travel in this new truck!

(Insert truck plug)

And this showcase where Rachel and Gwendolyn go through Off road vehicles, motorcycles, and trucks, can be yours if the price is right!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: joeyboy on January 06, 2010, 03:59:53 PM
*sigh*
So, we have plenty of money to offer a $45,000 showcase, but we can't have anymore than 2 pricing games won. Although, I think Take Two could have easily be won. It seemed kinda easy to me.

To think, no GP game and no Amber (probably due to the leave she is taking). How ironic.

So, as it turns out, the show really is predictable now!

The irony.

And it wasn't predictable when Bob was hosting?

Of course it was predictable. That was back in the day when it paid off to be a LFaT, and Bob and Roger knew that.

I donít even think this new regime of Mike and Drew even want the fans to be able to reasonably price something. If that is the case, then it really is a shame. It just sucks all the fun out of this great American institution.  :-(

I find it ironic how the show tries to mix up the prizes and offer "cool" things like over-stuffed trips and impossible to price items to make the show less "predictable." Yet, the same things happen every single time a show airs.

I think that Carlos earned himself a spot in my sig. (Not that he'll really care or anything. ;))
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Ton80 on January 06, 2010, 04:02:02 PM
Quote from: JohnHolder
The numbers in the Lucky Seven price were a total of 13 away from the old frequently-used strategy that "5's across the board wins." If she'd called 5's as her first two choices, she would have lost right there.
While I will agree that Lucky 7 was set up to be lost, the second digit should not have cost more than $1.  These days, if the first digit is a 1, you can almost bet the next digit will be a 7, 8, or 9 - so that should have been a free (or nearly free) guess. 

Was anyone else bothered by Drew's comment to Tyler?  "What's your life story? Nevermind, we don't have time?"  You know, I've never been one to bash Drew, but that was just wrong.  Make fun of the products?  No problem.  Manhandle the grocery items?  Uh - okay.  Still no huge problem.  Insult the contestants?  BIG PROBLEM.  I just thought that was not cool.

Finally - one thought on That's Too Much!  Maybe (just maybe) Kathy is trying to establish a new "unwritten rule" for that game to make it easier to win.  Without coming right out and saying it, maybe the intention is to have the players eventually learn that it will be 2nd or 9th every time.
(Please note: I'm just offering a possible theory as to why the correct price is always 2nd or 9th.)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Wayoshi on January 06, 2010, 04:08:49 PM
The problem is people are attracted to the middle by nature - they don't have the guts to pass by to 9th and often think 2nd must be too cheap.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: sjd93 on January 06, 2010, 04:12:10 PM
Quote
I find it ironic how the show tries to mix up the prizes and offer "cool" things like over-stuffed trips and impossible to price items to make the show less "predictable." Yet, the same things happen every single time a show airs.

You've earned a spot in my signature as well. Great post!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: rob79 on January 06, 2010, 04:20:39 PM
Whoo hoo Take Two!!! Take Two= :-D  Still gotta wonder were Credit Card is though.

I think i'll give That's Too Much a new name: That's Too Unfair. These setups we've seen the last several months have just been bizzarre/unfair. The game is a great game but these setups have just been cruel. It seems the correct stopping point has either been 2nd or 9th the last million times this game has been played. Why can't they just mix things up a bit like Roger did, y'know, make the stopping point somewhere in the middle?

I'm surprised they haven't made the 1st price as the correct stopping point. I sure wouldn't put it past them.

All I will say about the Bonkers playing is Jonna got lucky. There should be an unwritten rule (or a written one for that matter) that lookers/dawdlers should never be allowed to win Bonkers.  :D I'm joking of course.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: BuddyTom on January 06, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
The worst setup of One Right Price is still 50/50 if you're blindfolded; I thought this one was fairly obvious and so did she. Bonkers was nothing short of a miracle win since she spent half the time changing her first guess to her second, but honestly if she'd lost it would have been more her poor playing strategy than a bad setup.

But then the problems started. $18,139 is just an evil price for Lucky 7. 4 wasn't a smart first guess, but even if she'd gotten that exactly, having a 1 and a 9 is begging for a loss.

Take Two is a tough game. He had lousy luck; it could have been played better and setup better, but it wasn't particularly evil.

Winning or losing Punch-A-Bunch is like Plinko in that it's total chance. But I only got two SPs and I can see people wiping out on them easily. The odds are stacked against you winning that much money in this game anyway, why not make the SPs easier so at least there's some game play and suspense? Plenty of players have gotten all four SPs and won $50 or $100.

That's Number Nine! struck again.

So, out of six games, both car games had downright ugly setups. The cash game which is seldom won anyway was almost guaranteed a loss, though of course you CAN win the top amount with one punch, so I really don't understand the whole deal with that.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: joeyboy on January 06, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
Whoo hoo Take Two!!! Take Two= :-D  Still gotta wonder were Credit Card is though.

Being unnecessarily "refurbished".
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: goldroadfanatic on January 06, 2010, 04:35:07 PM
The cash game which is seldom won anyway was almost guaranteed a loss, though of course you CAN win the top amount with one punch, so I really don't understand the whole deal with that.

Because there is only a one in 50 chance that the contestant will punch out the top prize compared to one in 25 from the game's early days through Season 36, there is a less likely chance that Punch-a-Bunch will be fully won under the new rules.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Cartboy on January 06, 2010, 04:48:56 PM
Bonkers:  What a lucky win!
Lucky 7:  That was an evil setup, although guessing 4 for the second number wasn't too smart.
Punch A Bunch:  The distribution of slips needs some serious changing.
That's Too Much:  The ninth price again!?  This is getting monotonous!

An okay show overall, IMHO.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: elskunkoman on January 06, 2010, 04:52:23 PM
During punch a bunch i got all 4 wrong myself and woulda wipeout if i was there playing. And speaking of which when was the last time punch a bunch had a wipeout?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: wink87 on January 06, 2010, 06:36:11 PM
I believe there was a wipeout in Punch a Bunch in 1982, but that's all I know for certain.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: PimpinJC on January 06, 2010, 06:46:25 PM
Fairly easy setups in One Right Price and Bonkers.  Although Jonna almost lost by breaking the sacred code of Bonkers: Never look to the audience for help during the game.  There were only four logical choices, with the 1st 2 numbers being L and H.

That was a very nasty price for Lucky $even, although I would've won with $3 to spare (my guess: $18,219).  It shouldn't have been lost that quick, though: Geri blew it when she thought the Cobalt was $14K.

Hurray for Take Two being played with the classic cue!

Another person that only gets 2 punches on the Punch-a-Bunch board, and another person walking away with $100.

Is Kathy ever going to make That's Too Much winnable again?  That's now 6 times out of the 13 times the price has been 9th, with the last 4 in a row being 9th.

I figured after the 1st 2 games, the show would at least have 4 winners.  Me and my silly thoughts...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: CPOkilroy on January 06, 2010, 08:46:35 PM
Does anyone know how to play Bonkers anymore?  Well, I guess I'll give Jonna a pass, since she claims to have never seen the game before. (After 8+ years?  Hmmm...)

And speaking of Jonna, there is NO way such an attractive and youthful-looking lady could possibly be the mother of a 16-year-old! :o
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: TheBigAK on January 06, 2010, 09:15:54 PM
Punch a bunch really sucks when only 2 punches are won.   Sometimes I wonder if they don't actually want a wipeout in this game.

When you combine a really tough L7 with a TTM in the 9th spot = Yuck

The show is so much more enjoyable when games are won or winnable.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: SteveGavazzi on January 06, 2010, 10:36:12 PM
I was surprised to see that neither of the first two games was a car game or a cash game.  This is the first time that's happened since May.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: whinbaby on January 06, 2010, 10:40:45 PM
The 7,186th set of Pricing Games (74th for Season 38)

Showcase #1
Offroad Vehicle - $4,299
Offroad Motorcycles - $4,898
Dodge Ram 1500 SLT Crew Cab - $36,315

Showcase #2
Diamong/Gold Bracelet - $2,306
Wine Class - $1,395
Modular Wine Storage System - $700
Trip to Paris - $18,382

Your Modeling Scorecard for January 6, 2010
Daily Records
$75,120/2003, $32,108/2004

Rachel Reynolds
Total:  13/$33,995 (7/$6,517, 6/$27,478)
Cars:  1/$18,139 (0/$0, 1/$18,139)
Trips:  0/$0 (0/$0, 0/$0)

Manuela Arbelaez
Total:  10/$96,284 - New Record! (6/$31,953, 4/$64,331)
Cars:  1/$36,315 (0/$0, 1/$36,315)
Trips:  2/$22,930 (2/$22,930, 0/$0)

Okay, so we're just three shows into 2010, and Manuela has modeled $225,887 over the course of these three shows.  This has gotta be an impressive start to the year!

Gwennie Osborne
Total:  7/$33,275 (3/$4,247, 4/$29,028)
Cars:  1/$21,920 (0/$0, 1/$21,920)
Trips:  0/$0 (0/$0, 0/$0)

And for the season
Rachel Reynolds (61 shows)
Total:  590/$2,928,264 (338/$1,152,672, 252/$1,775,592)
Cars:  54/$1,289,071 (19/$406,723, 35/$882,348)
Trips:  54/$415,635 (22/$153,030, 32/$262,605)

Manuela Arbelaez (42 shows)
Total:  320/$2,107,401 (217/$1,061,781, 103/$1,045,620)
Cars:  43/$1,003,847 (19/$403,603, 24/$600,244)
Trips:  43/$379,488 (28/$231,044, 15/$148,444)

Gwennie Osborne (29 shows)
Total:  242/$1,446,594 (139/$616,071, 103/$830,523)
Cars:  27/$590,960 (8/$184,201, 19/$406,759)
Trips:  33/$290,230 (18/$193,814, 15/$96,416)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: RKO36 on January 06, 2010, 11:09:00 PM
Wow.  Lucky Seven was really a terrible price.  The contestant was foolish to guess four as the second number (I guessed 8), but the 1 and 9 are pretty unfair.

Punch a Bunch wasn't too bad.  I guessed 3 out of 4 for the prizes.

That's Too Much with the ninth number.  I've only been watching for no more than 5 or 6, maybe 7 years, but I can't even remember a time with Bob that the number got all the way to the 9th choice. 

What was with all the crappy prizes?  You can't have everything be great, but it seemed liked today had an inordinate amount of crappy prizes.  Women's accessories, the wine stuff in showcase two, the bathroom vanity, car stereo, the lounge chair in the first game.


Enough's enough with all these trips packed with expensive stuff (although the trip to St. Thomas did seem really nice).  I knew the Paris trip had to be upwards of $15,000.  Ghee whiz.


My showcase bids:

37231 for showcase 1
19168 for showcase 2
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Kev347 on January 06, 2010, 11:30:38 PM
A wonderfully normal, average show that I have almost nothing to say about. Which was exactly the therapy that I needed after yesterday's disaster, so thank you CBS, and thank you Drew for toning it down today. I will say those: 2nd/9th all the time in TTM and prices like 18139 in Lucky $even really really really need to go. Overall, today was quite enjoyable to watch despite nothing spectacular happening though, which was nice.

Timings:
One Right Price (3.5) - 2:33
Bonkers (4.5) - 4:29
Lucky $even (4.5)- 3:33
Take Two (4.5) - 4:28
Punch A Bunch (5.5) - 6:08
That's Too Much! (5) - 3:52
Total (27.5): 25:03
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: MrPlinko on January 06, 2010, 11:45:03 PM
Quote
I find it ironic how the show tries to mix up the prizes and offer "cool" things like over-stuffed trips and impossible to price items to make the show less "predictable." Yet, the same things happen every single time a show airs.

What a great quote!  Couldn't have said it better!

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: BobJacobsenVer1 on January 07, 2010, 12:31:41 AM
Kathryn was such a great contestant today! She just seemed so happy to be there and in America and proud of her country... So very cool.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: heelsrule1988 on January 07, 2010, 12:52:54 AM
The way things have been going, playing Bonkers badly will get you the win. Not the lesson that we want to teach. :roll:

"Pick the 9th One" strikes again! This is getting absurd now.

BEST CONTESTANT OF THE DAY: Geri
SHOW GRADE: 2
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: trustno1 on January 07, 2010, 01:56:50 AM
Kathryn was such a great contestant today! She just seemed so happy to be there and in America and proud of her country... So very cool.
I agree, although I would've preferred she came from Sydney and not Brisbane (but then again, I live in Sydney :!:).
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on January 07, 2010, 09:44:18 AM
What was with all the crappy prizes?  You can't have everything be great, but it seemed liked today had an inordinate amount of crappy prizes.  Women's accessories, the wine stuff in showcase two, the bathroom vanity, car stereo, the lounge chair in the first game.
Just because you personally can't use a prize doesn't mean it's 'crappy'.  In my opinion, at least three of the above prizes are well above 'crap' level, and I'm sure others might think four or even all five of them are pretty swell.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: Grammar-Nazi on January 07, 2010, 05:10:06 PM
Two observations:

1) Jonna did not deserve to win Bonkers.

2) I don't understand the beef with That's Too Much on this board. Her choice was clearly wrong; there was barely a $600 difference between the two prices. The one (mostly) rule of thumb that works in this game is the first time the second number in the price jumps by more than 1, that's the right choice. That was true today. It was true Dec. 18. It wasn't true Dec. 23, but no one would expect that Honda to have been only $14K, so the rule still worked.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: ElectricPeterTork on January 07, 2010, 05:43:54 PM
Not to mention, you would think the people here would appreciate the fact that That's Too Much would reward a daily watcher who could obviously see that every time TTM is played, the winning spot is the 9th (or the second).

I thought this is what people wanted... games that rewarded people who watch daily.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: SteveGavazzi on January 07, 2010, 10:19:01 PM
Not to mention, you would think the people here would appreciate the fact that That's Too Much would reward a daily watcher who could obviously see that every time TTM is played, the winning spot is the 9th (or the second).

I thought this is what people wanted... games that rewarded people who watch daily.

I think the problem is that in the process, it totally screws over the other 99.99% of the population (which is probably why they're doing it, really).  Nobody expects the price to be that close to the start or the end of the line -- it just isn't how the human mind works.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: ElectricPeterTork on January 07, 2010, 11:28:24 PM
I think the problem is that in the process, it totally screws over the other 99.99% of the population (which is probably why they're doing it, really).  Nobody expects the price to be that close to the start or the end of the line -- it just isn't how the human mind works.

That is true... people seem to love the middle. Range Game proves that. And, they've moved the price on Range Game back closer to the middle lately.

But how the contestants can justify something like the SUV from this episode being under 17k is amazing. Even if you don't know that the game is, essentially "That's The 9th One!", 17k just looks too low for an SUV.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 01/06/2010
Post by: thelegendarystm on January 08, 2010, 04:03:21 PM
The one (mostly) rule of thumb that works in this game is the first time the second number in the price jumps by more than 1, that's the right choice. That was true today. It was true Dec. 18. It wasn't true Dec. 23, but no one would expect that Honda to have been only $14K, so the rule still worked.

I noticed that myself and popped on here to ask if that was a hidden little rule of thumb.  It went 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 22 for the thousands, and I thought, Hey, why not just wait for the one that skips?