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Title: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Torgo on June 12, 2017, 12:19:52 PM
Welcome to Golden-Road! If you just joined and have the insatiable urge to ask some questions pertaining to The Price Is Right, we understand. However, some of your questions may have a simple answer that will not generate any real discussion. Furthermore, other members have asked your question(s) several times over and may not feel like responding to such a thread again!

In order to facilitate such questions and welcome new members, welcome to the Simple Questions & Answers Thread! Any question posted here will receive no judgment, and hopefully you will receive an answer in the near future.

Keep in mind these few cardinal rules:
- No dumb questions exist. Trust me, no one will fault you for not knowing as much about the show as some of our experts around these parts. No one wishes to intimidate anyone. (I think.)
- While no one will consider a question dumb, keep in mind that some answers may lie within the FAQ. Feel free to consult that first and see if your answers lie within.
- Please refrain from bumping for the sake of getting your question answered. I stickied this thread to prevent this from dropping down the archives.
- This thread has many functions, but it will not serve as a new member introduction. Please keep those to the Out in Left Field section.
- All other forum rules still apply.

Ask away!
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on June 12, 2017, 06:42:23 PM
I know I'm not new, but something I have wondered for years and never thought it warranted its own thread:

When did they go from using one piece of music during each showcase to utilizing several different cues in any one given showcase?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: PayingTheRent on June 12, 2017, 07:45:25 PM
When did they go from using one piece of music during each showcase to utilizing several different cues in any one given showcase?

For as long as I can remember in all my years of watching the show, there have been showcases to feature more than one cue -- in the Barker days, this was particularly the case during certain skits or (sometimes, though not every time) when a car was revealed, although I don't know when they started doing this.  It's only been since the complete overhaul of the cues a few years into the Carey run that it has become standard practice to feature multiple cues within most, if not all showcases.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: rodroddyfan on June 12, 2017, 11:09:26 PM
I don't know if this was ever answered, but why did they get rid of the head on shot during the putts in Hole in One?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on June 12, 2017, 11:53:58 PM
Quote from: rodroddyfan
I don't know if this was ever answered, but why did they get rid of the head on shot during the putts in Hole in One?

I know it was the topic of many discussions (and a lot of Mike-bashing), but I have a theory.  The head-on shot can be very anti-climactic.  From that camera angle, one could tell almost instantly whether the ball was going to be close or not.  It's really a bit of a letdown when you can see immediately that the ball is going to miss badly - and you could see it immediately when it happened.

The side angle that is currently used may not look as good, but at least it allows the viewer to feel some suspense, as it is less obvious if the ball is going into or even close to the cup.  A badly hit ball, by way of the optical illusion of the camera angles, could still at least LOOK close, even if it is off by a mile.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GSNSmashFan3 on June 13, 2017, 11:42:23 AM
Is there any particular reason why partial wins don't occur in Make Your Move? The way in which the game is designed allows for the possibility of a contestant guessing just one price correctly, but unlike most other pricing games, the contestant isn't awarded the prize they priced correctly whenever this happens.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Torgo on June 13, 2017, 06:28:55 PM
Is there any particular reason why partial wins don't occur in Make Your Move?

Okay, let's look at it this way.

Representative Board:
A B C D E F G H I

Only six possible combinations exist as solutions in this game.
ABCD EFG HI
ABCD EF GHI
ABC DEFG HI
ABC DE FGHI
AB CDE FGHI
AB CDEF GHI

Each prize only has four possible prices available on the board, and the game already features a one-in-six chance of winning completely blind. I feel like awarding an accidental/unintended partial win in Make Your Move goes against the spirit of the game ("solving the puzzle"), not to mention that this would occur all the time.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on June 13, 2017, 07:11:42 PM
Also, if a contestant correctly priced the four-digit prize but not the other two prizes, it would be an awkward win:

"You won the trip to London! But you didn't win the hair dryer or the recliner."
"...So?"
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: OneBidTris on June 14, 2017, 04:03:15 AM
This will probably only interest the serious fans, but someone out there probably knows the answer to this question.

Have the golf ball backdrops changed in Hole in One? They looked a little faded on an older playing and I'm wondering if they updated them for the game today.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: brosa0 on June 15, 2017, 12:22:27 AM
Also, if a contestant correctly priced the four-digit prize but not the other two prizes, it would be an awkward win:

"You won the trip to London! But you didn't win the hair dryer or the recliner."
"...So?"

Partial wins were allowed in the 90's Aussie version [from 19:37]:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdPebBuydkw
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on June 22, 2017, 06:17:24 PM
Are we ever going to get a solid reason for why Buy or Sell and Credit Card were retired beyond "we just didn't like them?"
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: wink87 on June 22, 2017, 07:27:27 PM
Also, if a contestant correctly priced the four-digit prize but not the other two prizes, it would be an awkward win:

"You won the trip to London! But you didn't win the hair dryer or the recliner."
"...So?"

Speaking of which, there was a playing back in 1992 where the board was set up in such a way, that the contestant priced 2 of the 3 prizes correctly and still lost. Bob thought it was "interesting".
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on June 22, 2017, 07:43:03 PM
^ how is that possible? I'd figured that getting two would necessitate the third being right also.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SuperSweeper on June 22, 2017, 07:46:43 PM
^ how is that possible? I'd figured that getting two would necessitate the third being right also.

From what I recall, the board was setup something like this: 503050789. The right answer was along the lines of 50/3050/789, and the contestant guessed 5030/50/789.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on June 22, 2017, 08:07:03 PM
Are we ever going to get a solid reason for why Buy or Sell and Credit Card were retired beyond "we just didn't like them?"

Roger talked about Buy or Sell's retirement not too long ago on his Facebook page. (https://www.facebook.com/Rogerdob/posts/10154091349672055?comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22O%22%7D)

"I found the game not particularly fun...it was long...and the concept of buying or selling a little off (how does one 'sell' a prize if one hasn't bought it...but one doesn't really own it because he's given the option to buy it)"

I don't recall ever getting an official answer about Credit Card, but the most likely reason is that it's a very long game and the show's fighting for every second. Because long games are much harder to schedule in the lineup, they'd need to get a lot of bang for its buck to justify their keeping around on the show.

The nature of the game meant that the five prizes usually needed to be relatively cheap compared to prizes offered in other multiprizers like, say, Most Expensive. The average Credit Card prize package in Season 36 was $4,640; the average Most Expensive package was $6,047. 14 out 25 (http://tpirstats.com/Season36/PGStats.html) prizes offered in Credit Card that season were under $1,000; only out of 75 prizes offered in Most Expensive were under $1,000. The desire for the new staff to offer "bigger and better prizes" could have played a factor.

The "insert the card to find the credit limit" bit was the most fun thing about the game, but Drew didn't always do it, and of course, it took up even more of the show's airtime.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: bigblue999 on June 22, 2017, 08:45:41 PM
Anyone know why the models stopped rolling out the Hi-Lo set?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: PatrickRox80 on June 22, 2017, 08:50:04 PM
"I found the game not particularly fun...it was long...and the concept of buying or selling a little off (how does one 'sell' a prize if one hasn't bought it...but one doesn't really own it because he's given the option to buy it)"

While I understand Roger's reasoning, I don't see why this kind of simulations warrants Buy or Sell being retired. When Drew started hosting around the same time, he tied Temptation to a birthday theme and Roger somehow didn't have a problem with that.

On that note, whose idea was it to give contestants the cash bonus for winning the game?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Josh444 on June 23, 2017, 01:07:54 PM
I have a random question:

When Drew shuffles around the shells in Shell Game, he says that he doesn't know where the ball is. Wouldn't he be able to kind of get a feel for where the ball is, as it would hit the sides of the shell as it is being shuffled? I feel like that could potentially help with the reveal.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 23, 2017, 01:39:02 PM
Anyone know why the models stopped rolling out the Hi-Lo set?

Drew kept forgetting to do the grocery plugs before the prize reveal, so eventually, they just decided to streamline the game's introduction.

(Personally, I've never thought that was a very good reason -- it's not like there weren't other ways to fix that that preserved the reveal -- but it is the reason.)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRFan2000 on June 23, 2017, 03:25:51 PM
Why does the contestant still get cash if they lose on the first three grocery products ($1/$10/$100) in Grand Game, but nothing if they lose on the fourth grocery product ($1,000)?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on June 23, 2017, 03:42:02 PM
When Drew shuffles around the shells in Shell Game, he says that he doesn't know where the ball is. Wouldn't he be able to kind of get a feel for where the ball is, as it would hit the sides of the shell as it is being shuffled? I feel like that could potentially help with the reveal.

He doesn't know where the ball starts. Having shuffled the shells myself, I can confirm that you can feel the ball bouncing around inside.

However, it's tougher to describe the rules of the game while simultaneously (and secretly) keeping track of where the ball is going or where it ends up. Drew doesn't want to know ahead of time whether the contestant is going to win or lose, so perhaps he focuses his attention on what he's saying and just lets the ball stop where it stops?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on June 23, 2017, 04:44:25 PM
Why does the contestant still get cash if they lose on the first three grocery products ($1/$10/$100) in Grand Game, but nothing if they lose on the fourth grocery product ($1,000)?

Because they have the choice to quit the game at that point. If there's no risk involved, the game becomes less exciting.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Casey on June 23, 2017, 05:45:38 PM
Since we are on the topic of Shell Game, does anyone know why Drew no longer allows the contestants to place the chips themselves?  I can't imagine that saved much more time than allowing them to do it...
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TinoStar11 on June 23, 2017, 06:01:57 PM
Why , on the Money Game Board , the "Year" Number is placed where it is ( Top Row , Center ) ?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRFan2000 on June 23, 2017, 09:19:07 PM
Because they have the choice to quit the game at that point. If there's no risk involved, the game becomes less exciting.
D'oh, not sure how I forgot about something so obvious when I asked that.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: CJBojangles on June 24, 2017, 12:39:22 AM
Since we are on the topic of Shell Game, does anyone know why Drew no longer allows the contestants to place the chips themselves?  I can't imagine that saved much more time than allowing them to do it...

I chalk it up to him just not paying that much attention to the intricacies of each game in his hosting style. He also doesn't let the contestant "Pass the Buck" anymore, he placed the marks on "Make Your Mark", and on at least one occasion he didn't even have the contestant open the safe.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRFan2000 on June 28, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
Why are the prize values in Master Key and Rat Race (as well as the bonus prize in Clock Game) never announced?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on June 29, 2017, 08:28:43 PM
Why are the prize values in Master Key and Rat Race (as well as the bonus prize in Clock Game) never announced?

They could, I suppose, but I'm guessing it's to make a cleaner presentation.

For Master Key and Pay the Rent:

1) It doesn't make sense to describe the prizes as a "prize package" since the contestant can win any combination of the three prizes offered.
2) The home audience doesn't really care that much. The focus is directed towards if the car/prize is won, not on the value of the prize.

For Clock Game: In addition to #2 from above, you risk making the gameplay less smooth.

If you give the price of the whole prize package, you might end up misleading a nervous contestant into thinking, "Hmm, the whole prize package is $7,500, there's 3 prizes, what's 1/3 of that?" The audience can't do anything to correct them, so the game would end up in the game going something like this:

"$2,500." "Lower." "$2,400." "Lower". "$2,300".

That'd be painful to watch.

If you only give the price of the bonus prize, same deal. You're putting unwarranted focus on the bonus prize. This could throw off a contestant who doesn't realize they need to be focusing on the cheaper prizes, or that the other two prizes ARE significantly cheaper.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: rodroddyfan on June 30, 2017, 03:36:19 PM
I have heard that in this day of the price, even if you are chosen to be a contestant, if you do not act the way MR wants you to act during the show before you called to come on down,, he will have you replaced with someone else.  Is that true?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on June 30, 2017, 06:54:20 PM
I have heard that in this day of the price, even if you are chosen to be a contestant, if you do not act the way MR wants you to act during the show before you called to come on down,, he will have you replaced with someone else.  Is that true?

Probably true. Probably happened in the Bob/Roger era as well.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: sideshowPA on July 01, 2017, 11:49:13 AM
I have heard that in this day of the price, even if you are chosen to be a contestant, if you do not act the way MR wants you to act during the show before you called to come on down,, he will have you replaced with someone else.  Is that true?

My sense is that they keep their options open during the show and have the ability to "call an audible" during the show.  I wonder if this is more a function of a contestant originally NOT in the top 9, but on the fringe, gaining the attention of the producers as the show progresses.  I'd be very interested to hear how often this happens.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: COINBOYNYC on July 03, 2017, 12:53:04 AM
My sense is that they keep their options open during the show and have the ability to "call an audible" during the show.  I wonder if this is more a function of a contestant originally NOT in the top 9, but on the fringe, gaining the attention of the producers as the show progresses.

Interesting.

One of the misconceptions I used to have about the show was that contestants were selected based on "how well they cheered" as the show went into commercial breaks.  I had visions of the producers looking at the monitors, pointing out people they particularly liked as the cameras panned the crowd.

Of course, back then I didn't know about Stan Blits and his pre-interviews, and I didn't think about how the first four contestants were chosen, since there would have been no way for anyone to see how "well" they cheered going into a break.

But it seems that I may not have been completely wrong after all...
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: COINBOYNYC on July 03, 2017, 01:22:13 AM
Noticed this, from a post in the "That "Come on Down!" Feeling! (A Fan's Taping Experience - Now Aired)" thread...

Something I noticed a few times during stop downs was Stan kept coming out and scanning the audience with a folder in hand . . . . . I assume he was eyeing potential contestants as he shifted through his papers.

Wonder if it supports the theory that selected-but-not-yet-called contestants are "reviewed" during the taping.  Of course, we don't know WHAT Stan was doing with the folder, maybe he just wanted to know where the chosen ones were seated (perhaps to tell the camera where to shoot?).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on July 03, 2017, 11:38:34 AM
Another question from me that I've wondered the answer to for a while - since TPiR tugboat and train are really just forklifts, do the models need certification to operate it same as people who need it that work with them everyday in their jobs?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Brian44 on July 03, 2017, 12:28:02 PM
Why are the prize values in Master Key and Rat Race (as well as the bonus prize in Clock Game) never announced?

Some of us posed questions about the rationale behind whether or not the total dollar amounts are announced to Roger Dobkowitz on Facebook and he essentially confirmed:

--The reason why the total prize package amount IS announced in games like Safe Crackers is because it's all-or-nothing. You can't win the main prize without winning the 3-digit prize. (By that rationale--and I believe Roger confirmed this, too--even if a car was on offer in Super Ball, the game was not officially considered a "win" if you did not win all 3 main prizes.)

--The reason why the total prize package amount is NOT announced in Master Key is because the game is officially considered a "win" as long as you win the car, whether or not you win the other two main prizes. (Same would go for Rat Race, as I recall.)

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on July 03, 2017, 05:34:53 PM
Another question from me that I've wondered the answer to for a while - since TPiR tugboat and train are really just forklifts, do the models need certification to operate it same as people who need it that work with them everyday in their jobs?

I know the casual term that's been used when describing the train and tugboat chassis is "forklift," but in reality, the vehicle isn't an actual forklift. I don't know what specifically the vehicle underneath the train/tugboat is, but I conducted a brief, probably inaccurate search. If you Google "stock chaser," you'll see an electric vehicle fairly similar to what I've seen being driven around Television City -- I think that's what's underneath the train/tugboat shell. (Disclaimer: I'm not 100% positive, as I've never seen the shell being switched. But it's certainly the right shape.)

An even briefer search didn't turn up any special requirements to operate one of those vehicles, so I'm assuming that everything is on the up and up. And as soon as the model isn't visible on camera anymore, they get out and a CBS employee takes over operation of the vehicle. For example, in the Train Depot and Port o' Price showcases, as soon as the first prize stopped in front of the set opening, a CBS employee jumped in and drove the vehicle for the introduction of the remaining two prizes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Nick on July 20, 2017, 09:33:27 PM
The recent thread on the longest turnaround between taping and airing got me thinking of a couple of similar subjects on which I have forgotten the answer: First, the shortest turnaround between taping and airing.  That was, what, three days?  And it's happened on a few occasions, correct?

Second, fewest number of shows in the can.  The number was obviously zero after season 35 before season 36 when a host still hadn't been decided.  It happened also for a short time span (only a few hours as I recall) at the end of one season because of some last-minute taping cancellations that resulted in the first taped shows of the following season happening after the airing of the season finale.  That was at the end of season 34, correct?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRFan2000 on July 20, 2017, 09:46:54 PM
The recent thread on the longest turnaround between taping and airing got me thinking of a couple of similar subjects on which I have forgotten the answer: First, the shortest turnaround between taping and airing.  That was, what, three days?  And it's happened on a few occasions, correct?
It was mentioned later in that thread - a military special in Season 39 (#5551K) aired the day after it taped. (it taped 5/2/2011, and aired 5/3/2011)

I'm not sure if we've had any three-day turnarounds, but I have a list of all taping dates going back to Season 41, and I do know that there was a two-day turnaround in Season 43 (#6911K, aired 12/8/2014).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TinoStar11 on July 20, 2017, 10:21:45 PM
I'm not sure if we've had any three-day turnarounds, but I have a list of all taping dates going back to Season 41, and I do know that there was a two-day turnaround in Season 43 (#6911K, aired 12/8/2014).

Based on that show , that was James 1st show after he won the Male Model Search.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: nwfisch on July 21, 2017, 06:52:44 PM
Is there a reason that Punch a bunch, the money doesn't roll over via Plinko?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on July 21, 2017, 07:12:39 PM
Simple, Punch a Bunch was designed with a risk element, Plinko wasn't.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on July 21, 2017, 09:04:54 PM
When did they start the habit of playing a Christmas carol during the closing of the last episode preceding Christmas day instead of the shows theme, as well as for the 4th of July?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on July 21, 2017, 09:15:57 PM
One thing I'm curious about, when did the tradition of season premiere weeks having extra set decorations and higher-than-usual prize budgets start?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: dmaingame on July 22, 2017, 04:02:30 AM
Season 10 (September 1981) is the earliest I can remember the set being decorated for premiere week shows.  Sometime around that point, started the tradition of Mark Goodson making an appearance during the season premiere each year until his death in December 1992.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: PIRfanSince72 on July 24, 2017, 05:27:03 PM
Only other time I can remember any "decor" earlier is with the "ANNIVERSARY WEEK" sign on the center door when they had the rainbow wheel during September 1975.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on July 25, 2017, 01:21:27 AM
And that wasn't even premiere week.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: CJBojangles on August 10, 2017, 01:42:28 PM
Did anyone ever spin $1.00 on the 1994 Davidson shows that used the Big Wheel? If so, was any music played?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: EvilChameleon on August 11, 2017, 05:53:56 PM
When does the next season begin?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Kapi on September 05, 2017, 11:30:28 AM
I have a question regarding spinning the Big Wheel.

I've seen on many occasions the third person to spin will take the lead in one spin. (For example, the top spinner has 60 cents, while the last contestant to spin gets 75 cents on their first spin.) How come this person is never given the decision to spin again? Drew never mentions this as a possibility, and it simply seems like it's an unwritten rule of sorts to not ask.

I mean, obviously a lot of people are just going to take it and run, but what if someone wanted to take the risk to get a dollar, would they be able to, or does everything simply move on once they take the lead?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on September 05, 2017, 11:42:12 AM
^ Bob would usually say "You don't want to spin again, do you?" to such contestants for the sake of completeness. Drew probably should say something, similar to how he often ends Pass The Buck as soon as the car is won (although he has gotten better at not doing that in recent years, to be fair). I suppose a contestant could push the issue if they really wanted, but since he's gotten away with it for 10 years now, it's obviously not a huge concern for TPTB.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on September 05, 2017, 12:22:32 PM
I'll bet that it's written into the rules, as explained to the contestants:
"If you're the 3rd spinner, and the first two go over, you're automatically in the Showcase.  We'll give you ONE SPIN to see if you can get a dollar."

There's no ambiguity to that rule, and no reason to ask if they want to spin again if the rule was presented that way.

Someone with more knowledge can clarify, but I suspect I'm not wrong.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on September 05, 2017, 10:55:00 PM
^ That's not the situation OP asked about. What he was referring to was when the 1st or 2nd spinner is in the lead, say with 65 cents, and spinner #3's first spin lands on 70. Theoretically, even though they have a winning total, they are supposed to be offered one more spin to see if they can hit 1.00. Obviously the vast majority of contestants wouldn't ever do it, but it is an option that Bob mentioned and Drew skips over it.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on September 05, 2017, 11:12:04 PM
Yup, you're right.  I totally misread that post.

Still, I'll bet it's explained in a similar fashion.
"If you're the third spinner and you beat the other spinner's score with 1 spin, you're in the Showcase."
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on September 05, 2017, 11:47:06 PM
There's a Showcase Showdown question I have...

Let's say you're the third spinner, and you tie the leader with your first spin. When should you take the tie and try to win it in the spinoff, and when should you try to win it outright then and use your second spin?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Flerbert419 on September 06, 2017, 12:24:18 AM
You and your opponent have an equal chance of winning in the spinoff.

Therefore, spin again at 45 cents or less and go to the spinoff at 55 cents or more.

Do whatever feels right at 50 cents.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Archviler on September 06, 2017, 12:47:59 PM
Interesting, but let me build on that. Assume the previous question, but that it would be a three way tie for a three way spinoff. Does that change the math of it at all?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: sideshowPA on September 06, 2017, 03:38:11 PM
That most definitely does change the math...

If there is a 3-way tie, then we go back to square one.  According to Scorpz's site, historically the 3rd spinner wins about 36% of the time...and advantage to be sure, but nothing overwhelming.

Therefore, my decision will be based on trying to improve upon my 36% if I accept the tie.  So, if the tie is at 60 cents, spinning again is wise, as I will win 40% of the time.  If the tie is at 65 cents, I can spin again and have a 35% chance of winning, but I may elect to go here with the added equity of hitting the dollar being 1/20. 
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricegator on September 17, 2017, 10:34:52 AM
In an interview with Mike Richard on youtube, the interviewer asks him if they have retired any games since he has taken over or recently and he says no. Do you think he forgot about Step Up or do you think Step Up will make a comeback?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: rodroddyfan on September 17, 2017, 03:11:11 PM
I will probably get bashed, but with the number of losses in games such as TTM and PTR, I doubt Richards will ever retire them.  Most of us know that he focuses more on the comedy aspect of the show.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Schfifty on September 17, 2017, 03:17:46 PM
In an interview with Mike Richard on youtube, the interviewer asks him if they have retired any games since he has taken over or recently and he says no. Do you think he forgot about Step Up or do you think Step Up will make a comeback?

Well, looking at the interview that was posted last March, he said that they hadn't retired a game in "a while", but that could mean as long as a couple of years ago, which is when Step Up was last played (technically almost three years ago). I would consider it retired still, because it was taken off the list of pricing games on the show's website around the end of Season 43, if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Casey on September 17, 2017, 03:20:10 PM
Most of us know that he focuses more on the comedy aspect of the show.
You really must watch a different show than I do.  Other than the April Fool's special episodes, I can't think of anything in recent years that was done specifically for comedy values.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GuyWithFace on September 17, 2017, 03:50:44 PM
In an interview with Mike Richard on youtube, the interviewer asks him if they have retired any games since he has taken over or recently and he says no.
At least Make Your Mark, Clearance Sale, and Step Up all fit this criteria, and I strongly suspect Credit Card does as well. Barker's Bargain Bar and Check Game were essentially retired for years (particularly the former), and 3 Strikes teetered rather close to it given what happened in Season 37.

I will probably get bashed, but with the number of losses in games such as TTM and PTR, I doubt Richards will ever retire them.
I assure you that more than a few around here are in full agreement with you, particularly since Pay the Rent was initially never meant to be won.

Most of us know that he focuses more on the comedy aspect of the show.
As Casey stated, not quite. He seems more focused on the "BIG PRIZE" mentality (see, again, Pay the Rent).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SBarsodo on November 09, 2017, 03:33:12 PM
I have quick question.  I seem to remember a long time ago I was watching an episode of TPIR and saw that they offered a hoveround in Double Prices.  I think it was during the early 2000's.  Is this true?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpiradam on November 09, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
I'm not sure about that occurrence but I seem to believe they had offered one on Race Game sometime around 2006/2007.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on November 09, 2017, 04:05:45 PM
I remember one being offered in Pushover during season 31.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Archviler on December 29, 2017, 11:30:44 AM
Has TPIR posted a good quality image of The Prize League? The animated picture of it they used for it, not just a screenshot of everyone in costume. It would be neat to have.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: CaptainPrice on February 16, 2018, 07:24:45 PM
Does anyone know which games were retired because of them being disliked by the staff?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on February 17, 2018, 12:08:12 PM
Telephone Game is definitely one- it was retired because it was lame. Give or Keep was also retired because much of the staff didn't like it very much. I think Buy or Sell may be one other to add, I think I remember seeing Roger said it wasn't very popular among the staff.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on March 23, 2018, 07:54:20 PM
I've been watching old episodes of the show and I'm wondering, Why was Give or Keep not put on the turntable?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on March 23, 2018, 08:25:10 PM
Why was Give or Keep not put on the turntable?
Because the Turntable was used for the pairs of prizes. Granted, I'm not sure why they couldn't have designed Give or Keep as a stage game (in a sense, they tried it that way, if you consider the existence of Finish Line), but there's your reason.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on March 29, 2018, 03:50:55 PM
Just a completely random question I thought of when watching Safe Crackers yesterday - at what point is Door #2 opened up to reveal that the game is Safe Crackers? I would imagine not too early as to not spoil anything, but also with how slowly the doors seem to open compared to when they didn't have lights on the front, I can't figure out when they might open it.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on March 29, 2018, 05:05:04 PM
I can't speak for the current doors, but back in 2013, it happened roughly at the time that Drew announced the actual retail price of the item up for bids. In other words, not until they knew there was a One Bid winner, but pretty much as soon as they knew there was a One Bid winner.

I'd estimate it takes about five seconds for Drew to say the price, declare the winner, and then for the winner to make their way up the stairs and out of the shot. Add a couple of seconds of the shot lingering on the audience if need be, and I'd think there'd always be adequate time for the doors to reveal enough of the game for the next shot.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on March 29, 2018, 05:40:09 PM
Thanks very much for your response! Yeah, I just know that I don't think I've ever seen it be the case that you can still see the doors opening at the tale end, as you can usually see with Lucky $even, when the camera pans to its game "board."
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on March 30, 2018, 02:36:13 PM
Kinda random, but does anyone know if/when they stopped doing the Every Room in the House showcases? I always enjoyed those.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: CaptainPrice on June 08, 2018, 06:48:53 PM
I’m honestly not sure. My guess is sometime in the range of 2003-08.

I think this one’s been asked before but does anyone know why Lucky $even didn’t offer another 5-digit car for about six years after the 1986 specials? I think one was offered on the daytime show, but it went back to the 4-digit format until approx. 1992.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on June 08, 2018, 08:56:13 PM
I’m honestly not sure. My guess is sometime in the range of 2003-08.

I think this one’s been asked before but does anyone know why Lucky $even didn’t offer another 5-digit car for about six years after the 1986 specials? I think one was offered on the daytime show, but it went back to the 4-digit format until approx. 1992.
Probably because of how awkward the original 5-digit format for Lucky Seven was, would explain why they stopped using that rule set. Though I'm not sure why it took them six years to devise the current 5-digit format. Thinking about it, and how they usually made the older car games 5-digit-compatible, makes me surprised they didn't use the current rules from the outset.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on September 26, 2018, 11:16:11 AM
I don't know if this has been answered before or if I can find the answer elsewhere, but this is concerning Pick a Pair. Drew always asks which of the two grocery products the contestant wants to keep, in the event that they do not pick a correct pair at the beginning, as they know the price of two already. Is the contestant obligated to match another product up with one of the two known prices, or is the contestant allowed to pick two completely different products?


I know it's better to go with a known product, but was just curious if, for some reason, they didn't want to whether they would be allowed to do that.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on September 26, 2018, 02:14:47 PM
Is the contestant obligated to match another product up with one of the two known prices, or is the contestant allowed to pick two completely different products?
I believe they are obligated to match one of the two items they picked on their first turn, and always have been.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on December 16, 2018, 11:39:33 AM
I'm trying to look through the timeline, but unless I missed something, I can't see:

Just totally curious, how long was it before there was a week in which no pricing game was repeated? I'm already into looking at season 4, and I'm reasonably certain it was long before then that that happened.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 16, 2018, 01:52:44 PM
I'm pretty sure that's not in the timeline -- off the top of my head, I don't think that's a question I have the answer to (although we could certainly find it).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Flerbert419 on December 16, 2018, 03:18:17 PM
I was curious, so I tried to look it up.

The actual answer to the question as worded is Week 41 in Season 1. There were only two episodes in that production week and none of the 6 games repeated.

The answer for a full week might be Week 152 in Season 3 or Week 165 in Season 4. Both of those weeks we only know 14 of the 15 games played, but none of them repeated. If the missing games were repeats then it never happened in the half hour era.

The first confirmed full week of no repeat games is Week 293 in Season 7. Notably, that was the week where Shower Game and It's Optional debuted which seemed to add just enough variety.

I would go with that as the actual answer, but the week actually aired out-of-order due to a preemption so it wasn't the first Monday through Friday of new episodes without a repeat game. That appears to have been Week 359 in Season 8.

Many thanks to the keepers of the calendars.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: actual_retail_tice on December 16, 2018, 03:47:29 PM
I was just thinking about why they limited Lucky 7 to 4-digit cars for such a long time, and I was thinking that because of the size of the game it was just too cumbersome to switch back and forth between 4 and 5 digit prices, so they hung onto a 4 digit display for as long as they could.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpiradam on December 24, 2018, 10:19:58 PM
Why during the prize descriptions for Take Two and Race Game early on were the prizes described out of linear order? It seemed to go 1-4-2-3 instead of just describing them down the line the way they were introduced as the curtain rose.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Off_trak on December 25, 2018, 12:52:39 AM
Why during the prize descriptions for Take Two and Race Game early on were the prizes described out of linear order? It seemed to go 1-4-2-3 instead of just describing them down the line the way they were introduced as the curtain rose.

To give the cameras a chance to reposition, and reframe the shot.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: thatvhstapeguy on December 27, 2018, 10:06:58 PM
This question has probably been asked before, but what will the show do with the production numbers when they go over 9995K? Just change the letter at the end (i.e. 9995D ---> 0001K)?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GameShowFan9001 on December 27, 2018, 10:40:20 PM
This question has probably been asked before, but what will the show do with the production numbers when they go over 9995K? Just change the letter at the end (i.e. 9995D ---> 0001K)?

They might also do something like 10001K and reclassify everything before that with a leading zero, ie, something like 08493K.  Show 9995K isn’t happening for at least another 4 or 5 years though.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: BBarker on December 30, 2018, 12:24:23 PM
When did the models stop wearing bikinis?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on December 30, 2018, 04:21:32 PM
When did the models stop wearing bikinis?
Total guess on my part, but I'd assume somewhere around 1988 or so, probably so as not to draw attention to the fact that Janice couldn't model them anymore after her camera accident.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SuperSweeper on December 30, 2018, 05:05:00 PM
Total guess on my part, but I'd assume somewhere around 1988 or so, probably so as not to draw attention to the fact that Janice couldn't model them anymore after her camera accident.

They kept wearing them after that point - based on what I've seen, they stopped around 1992. I've heard rumors that they were eliminated due to the backlash over Dian's first Playboy shoot, but I haven't seen that confirmed.

Bikinis wore brought back on Drew's first (aired) MDS.

Speaking of Janice's supposed swimsuit ban - I've found an episode that shows that the claim is patently untrue. This (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxL00gLOlnk&t=2929s) episode from December 1988 has Janice wearing a swimsuit in the Showcases. With this being right after her return, I'd imagine that she probably kept wearing swimsuits for a while after this point. It's likely she simply stopped because she was getting older.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: BBarker on December 30, 2018, 07:32:16 PM
I remember Phire and Rachel wearing bikinis around 2008-2010. I haven't watched the show all that much since then.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on December 31, 2018, 05:13:58 PM
When did the models stop wearing bikinis?
As a follow-up, when did they start? I don't remember the models wearing them in the early days of TPIR.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on January 08, 2019, 08:20:47 PM
Regarding Spelling Bee: has there ever been an instance of a contestant picking both CAR cards in addition to spelling 'CAR'?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: bigblue999 on January 08, 2019, 08:24:46 PM
Regarding Spelling Bee: has there ever been an instance of a contestant picking both CAR cards in addition to spelling 'CAR'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YskKpeEHSnM
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on January 08, 2019, 10:31:24 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YskKpeEHSnM
Then that makes at least twice it happened, since I seem to recall a male contestant doing the same thing (somewhere around 1994 or 1995). I don't think any video of it is on YouTube, though.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on January 14, 2019, 02:57:16 PM
Regarding Range Game, has there ever been a time that the ARP was in the top $50 or bottom $50 of the range? Is there anything that prohibits the producers from setting it up that way?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on January 15, 2019, 12:39:49 AM
I know it's been in the top quarter on very rare occasions.  I have no way to prove it, but I feel safe saying it's never been in the area the rangefinder starts in for the simple reason that that'd look really stupid.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Flerbert419 on January 15, 2019, 07:40:19 AM
Not the bottom $50, but in the S40 premiere (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,18107.0.html) you could have won without the rangefinder moving.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: thatvhstapeguy on January 21, 2019, 12:13:44 PM
I thought of this the other day... when was the last time that Easy as 1-2-3 was played? I personally haven't seen it in a very long time, but I can't always watch the show every day.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on January 21, 2019, 12:38:28 PM
I thought of this the other day... when was the last time that Easy as 1-2-3 was played? I personally haven't seen it in a very long time, but I can't always watch the show every day.
January 3, in the fourth slot, per the TPIR pricing games calendar:

http://tpirstats.com/Season47/Calendar.htm
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on January 28, 2019, 11:27:18 AM
Why does 3 Strikes use the foghorn-style buzzer (aka the Showcase overbid buzzer) for drawing strikes instead of the standard "wrong guess" buzzer?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on January 28, 2019, 11:41:27 AM
To differentiate between a wrong number guess and a strike.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on January 28, 2019, 12:57:16 PM
That makes sense...although it is kind of odd, since all other uses of the foghorn buzzer are for absolute final losses like going over in the SCSD or Showcase. Using it for strikes one and two when the contestant still has a chance to win strikes me (no pun intended) as overly harsh.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: jhc2010 on February 11, 2019, 02:08:03 PM
Regarding Range Game, has there ever been a time that the ARP was in the top $50 or bottom $50 of the range? Is there anything that prohibits the producers from setting it up that way?
According to Scorpz's TPIR stats site, since Season 32, the price closest from the bottom of the scale was $150 from the bottom on September 19, 2011.  The price furthest from the bottom of the scale was $498 from the bottom and it happened three times: October 30, 2009, December 2, 2009, and March 4, 2010.

The video from the evil set-up on October 30, 2009 is on Youtube:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jE-Og-uTpFM

http://tpirstats.com/Other/PGStats3.html#rng
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: The Big Wheel on February 20, 2019, 01:48:21 PM
I don't watch the show regularly any more so this may have changed a while back. When did the CBS Pages stop standing at or near contestant's row during taping? Are there any pages in studio at all now?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on March 26, 2019, 02:33:37 PM
Magic #: Suppose the contestant is trying to set the magic number at $2200, but the machine is too sensitive and goes from $2197 to $2204, etc. Now I've heard Drew say in the past something like, "That's good enough." If the contestant ultimately sets the number to $2198, when he wanted $2200, and if the ARP of the low prize is $2199, what would happen? Should said contestant be awarded the prize?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: brosa0 on March 26, 2019, 04:57:13 PM
He would rightly lose.  If he's that worried about, then set it higher.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on March 26, 2019, 08:00:54 PM
I don't watch the show regularly any more so this may have changed a while back. When did the CBS Pages stop standing at or near contestant's row during taping? Are there any pages in studio at all now?

A month late but they're still there, just farther offstage than they used to be. When there's a chance a contestant that may need assistance wins their One Bid the pages appear magically near the stairs.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: COINBOYNYC on March 30, 2019, 10:44:22 PM
Magic #: Suppose the contestant is trying to set the magic number at $2200, but the machine is too sensitive and goes from $2197 to $2204, etc. Now I've heard Drew say in the past something like, "That's good enough." If the contestant ultimately sets the number to $2198, when he wanted $2200, and if the ARP of the low prize is $2199, what would happen? Should said contestant be awarded the prize?

I say yes, because in this case Drew is directly affecting the gameplay by telling the contestant that $2198 is "good enough" for a $2200 answer.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: b_masters8 on April 27, 2019, 02:41:16 PM
I've heard in many recap reports of games that had "forced wins" and "forced losses." What are "forced wins" and "forced losses"?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on April 27, 2019, 04:44:32 PM
I've heard in many recap reports of games that had "forced wins" and "forced losses." What are "forced wins" and "forced losses"?

A "forced win" is when a game is intentionally set up in such a way that it would be difficult to lose. Example--a Lucky $even price that's something like $14,545. Seems like lots of players guess 5's, so they'd have plenty of money left to buy the car.

A "forced loss" works the same way, except that the game is intentionally set up in such a way that it would be almost impossible to win. Again using Lucky $even--a price like $19,129 would just be plain mean, but it's hard to argue 1s, 2s, and 9s are common guesses.

Some games are tough to do that with, like Dice Game--you're at the mercy of what the player rolls, and no one can control that except the player. But there are others, like Pathfinder, where you can make the SP portion hard, and make it tougher for the player to earn a second chance if they make a mistake on the main game.

Make sense?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on April 27, 2019, 04:57:23 PM
I've heard in many recap reports of games that had "forced wins" and "forced losses." What are "forced wins" and "forced losses"?

A “forced win” is when a game is set up to be unusually easy so that pretty much any contestant would win it as long as they pick the obvious answers.

For example, a Switch setup played for trips to Texas and New York. Or a Push Over setup like “457129083”. Or a Grand Game setup where the two items over the target are both expensive-looking vitamin supplements.

A “forced loss” is when a game is set up so that a contestant picking the obvious-looking will lose. Like, if there’s something insane in the Texas trip to make it cost more than New York. Or if Push Over’s prize ends up being $5712 instead of the more obvious $7129. Or if one of the expensive-looking supplements actually turns out to be under the target.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: b_masters8 on April 27, 2019, 05:37:00 PM
A "forced win" is when a game is intentionally set up in such a way that it would be difficult to lose. Example--a Lucky $even price that's something like $14,545. Seems like lots of players guess 5's, so they'd have plenty of money left to buy the car.

A "forced loss" works the same way, except that the game is intentionally set up in such a way that it would be almost impossible to win. Again using Lucky $even--a price like $19,129 would just be plain mean, but it's hard to argue 1s, 2s, and 9s are common guesses.

Some games are tough to do that with, like Dice Game--you're at the mercy of what the player rolls, and no one can control that except the player. But there are others, like Pathfinder, where you can make the SP portion hard, and make it tougher for the player to earn a second chance if they make a mistake on the main game.

Make sense?

Very much so-- by the definition of a forced win that you provided, it would seem like the Vend-O-Price win on the recent Middle School Kids' Week show would be one, because those packs of cheese were so expensive, that it had to be obvious that the producers wanted that kid cave won (I may be incorrect, though).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on April 27, 2019, 07:23:04 PM
Magic # is a prime example. Being as though most contestants will stop below $2500, it's easy to plan.

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on April 27, 2019, 08:41:22 PM
Magic # is a prime example. Being as though most contestants will stop below $2500, it's easy to plan.

I'm not sure Magic # is the best example, though, because for some reason, people tend to be really bad at it.  I've seriously begun to wonder if they've decided they can make every playing as easy as they want because the contestants will still manage to lose half the time.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on April 29, 2019, 11:28:53 PM
Quote from: b_masters8
Very much so-- by the definition of a forced win that you provided, it would seem like the Vend-O-Price win on the recent Middle School Kids' Week show would be one, because those packs of cheese were so expensive, that it had to be obvious that the producers wanted that kid cave won (I may be incorrect, though).
Yes, that particular playing of Vend-O-Price is a very good example of the concept of a forced win.

A recent playing of Switch? had two trips offered:
It was priced at $9005

This was priced at $5507

Would you SWITCH??

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on June 15, 2019, 11:50:48 AM
I thought I read this somewhere at some point, but do they still use the Contestants' Row monitors do keep tally of the money accumulated in the Money Game so Drew can see?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: AvsFan on July 15, 2019, 09:44:39 PM
Does anyone know what the ARPs of the second- and third-largest prizes in Master Key and Rat Race are, on average (just an approximate figure)?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRfan#9821 on July 18, 2019, 01:23:53 AM
^The thing about that is that the prizes aren't truly relevant to the gameplay. Essentially, they act as a secondary and tertiary prize as opposed to the big prize, which is usually a car. Like what I did with analyzing Card Game's distribution, you might have to just find the data yourself.

However, resources like qwizx.com or even Adam's recaps sometimes find an exact match, which can help you get a general idea.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Shaymin on October 05, 2019, 11:13:03 AM
Does the Dice Game board still have the possibility to display numbers outside of the 1-6 range even though they haven't needed to in 40+ years?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Flerbert419 on October 05, 2019, 12:59:57 PM
Unless they've updated the control panel since this picture (http://www.golden-road.net/gg/displayimage.php?pid=930), the answer appears to be yes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on October 15, 2019, 06:44:39 AM
One thing I'm curious about, simply because of it being noted in the Timeline when it does happen... why is it so rare to see a regular car game, or a small prize game, or a grocery item game, in the fourth slot?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on October 16, 2019, 07:47:17 PM
One thing I'm curious about, simply because of it being noted in the Timeline when it does happen... why is it so rare to see a regular car game, or a small prize game, or a grocery item game, in the fourth slot?

Presumably because the fourth PG leads into the second half of the show. Play a car game fourth, and the second half of the show has already hit its peak, and viewers will tune out until the showcases. Play an SP or GP game there, and you have the opposite problem--a lackluster start to the second half can make viewers tune out just as fast, since they already got their "fix" with the first half.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on October 16, 2019, 10:22:34 PM
Which pricing games currently use the "foghorn buzzer" (AKA "MRRRRP") under any scenario? I know some of them changed recently with the change in the sound system, with some games using the regular buzzer now using the horn buzzer. Obviously, all the timed games, plus Plinko if $0 is won, but can someone list the rest of the games that use it as of now?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on October 19, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
Two travel related questions:
1.  Do you really have to travel from LA when you win a trip, or is that just how the value is calculated?

2.  If you win "a trip around the world" that has 3 different destinations (like on yesterday's showcase), do you really have to take all those trips at once or could you spread them out?

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ooboh on October 19, 2019, 10:11:20 AM
Which pricing games currently use the "foghorn buzzer" (AKA "MRRRRP") under any scenario? I know some of them changed recently with the change in the sound system, with some games using the regular buzzer now using the horn buzzer. Obviously, all the timed games, plus Plinko if $0 is won, but can someone list the rest of the games that use it as of now?

Last time Plinko was completely lost, the regular buzzer was played but it was followed by the losing horns.
1) Any timed game, meaning Bonkers, Switcheroo, Time is Money, Clock Game, and Race Game
2) Card Game (originally, the game used the regular buzzer even if the contestant went over)
3) Check-Out
4) Danger Price originally had the foghorn buzzer, but it switched to the regular buzzer
5) Dice Game
6) Grocery Game
7) 1/2 Off
8) Most Expensive
9) One Away
10) Pocket Change
11) Rat Race (if none of the rats finish Top 3, if I recall correctly)
12) Secret “X” (though there are a few occasions where they play the regular buzzer after the board is flipped)
13) 3 Strikes
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: geniusinmath on October 19, 2019, 10:34:19 AM
Which active or retired pricing game is the hardest and easiest?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on October 19, 2019, 11:04:33 AM
Which active or retired pricing game is the hardest and easiest?

By "easiest" and "hardest" I would assume that you mean the greatest and least probability of winning the prize on offer. Easiest would obviously go to Double Prices, as it's a 50-50 shot, and even better if you have a general idea of the prices.

Hardest, however, can go two different ways. My first instinct would be to say Stack the Deck, but when you think about it, any of the luck-based games (Plinko, Punch, etc.) are much greater offenders. Stack can at least be won with an astute knowledge of cars, but on the other hand, Plinko requires you to first win all five chips, which isn't always accomplished, and then have each land in the center slot. Sure, you're gonna win something, but as for winning the full $50K...don't hold your breath.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: LiteBulb88 on October 19, 2019, 11:25:28 AM
Two travel related questions:
1.  Do you really have to travel from LA when you win a trip, or is that just how the value is calculated?

2.  If you win "a trip around the world" that has 3 different destinations (like on yesterday's showcase), do you really have to take all those trips at once or could you spread them out?

1. You can take the trip from anywhere in the US (and possibly the world.) Airfare is calculated out of LA. IIRC from the conversation I overheard in the room where they explain the winnings to each contestant, the contestant who wins the trip doesn't have to worry about whether the price from their home city is more or expensive than the airfare from LA; the show will cover it.

2. I have no inside info on this, but my instinct is that an around the world trip is considered 3 separate trips from LA (or whatever the contestant's home base is.) I don't think you have to take them back to back.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on October 19, 2019, 12:35:44 PM
Which active or retired pricing game is the hardest and easiest?

Clock Game—just do basic binary search and it’s all but a guaranteed win, especially if you already know all prizes are $500-$999. Practice with a friend picking any random number in that range and you should consistently be able to hit it under 15 seconds.

Hit Me (but ONLY if you know there’s always an Ace/10 on the board)—seems like nearly every playing, you could get an instant win picking the only product ending in zero + the only product ending in nine

Magic #: it’s $3,000. Congrats on the win.

Hardest to win is Plinko—you have 99.943% odds of losing after winning five chips and committing to drop them all from the center. (That being said, I’d happily lose if that’s what losing is)

Hardest to win something has to be Bullseye I (especially its first rule set with neither a range nor a rounded price). The only pricing game that never gave away anything.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on October 19, 2019, 01:00:29 PM
Easiest would obviously go to Double Prices, as it's a 50-50 shot, and even better if you have a general idea of the prices.

I don’t think that’s obvious; Double Prices is far from the only 50-50 game, and there are games with better odds—including a few where you’re far more likely to win than 50-50.

One more “guaranteed win” is Now or Then. Pick NOW on any 3 items in a row without regards to the price. Either 1) you’ll win, 2) you’ll find two THENs (which means there are no more THENs on the board and you will win by picking NOW on the other three), or 3) you’ll find one THEN and be able to use logic and process of elimination to make sure you get the price opposite the one THEN correct and get three in a row. Just pray the time you get up isn’t the first time in decades the producers use more than two THENs.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on October 20, 2019, 09:25:54 PM
2. I have no inside info on this, but my instinct is that an around the world trip is considered 3 separate trips from LA (or whatever the contestant's home base is.) I don't think you have to take them back to back.

I don't know how fulfillment works these days, but for Around the World showcases, the airfare is always listed in the paperwork as one retail price (using the example given, as Los Angeles to Costa Rica to Iceland to Thailand to Los Angeles). And four airplane trips are going to be less expensive than the six airplane trips that would result if the contestant visited each destination separately.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on October 20, 2019, 10:08:30 PM
Last time Plinko was completely lost, the regular buzzer was played but it was followed by the losing horns.
1) Any timed game, meaning Bonkers, Switcheroo, Time is Money, Clock Game, and Race Game
2) Card Game (originally, the game used the regular buzzer even if the contestant went over)
3) Check-Out
4) Danger Price originally had the foghorn buzzer, but it switched to the regular buzzer
5) Dice Game
6) Grocery Game
7) 1/2 Off
8) Most Expensive
9) One Away
10) Pocket Change
11) Rat Race (if none of the rats finish Top 3, if I recall correctly)
12) Secret “X” (though there are a few occasions where they play the regular buzzer after the board is flipped)
13) 3 Strikes

One of the total Plinko losses (before the sound system was changed) used both the regular and foghorn buzzer at the same time, the former to signify the $0 hit and the latter to signify the game being completely lost.

1) I imagine Hot Seat would use it if the 35 seconds expires as well.
5) Dice Game used to use the regular buzzer
7) As did 1/2 Off (on both wrong SP guesses and empty box reveals)
10) Pocket Change does use the regular buzzer if a $.00 card is revealed unless it's the final card, yes?
11) Rat Race: What about if someone gives a bad guess to the third prize and fails to earn any rats?


I recall these games using the foghorn buzzer in the Barker and early Drew eras. Did those games change to the regular buzzer as Danger Price did?

- Balance Game ('06)
- Barker's Bargain Bar (not sure if the foghorn carried over to Bargain Game)
- Check Game (even if the total was under, not over)
- Gas Money
- More or Less
- Take Two (only if lost on the second pick, first wrong pick uses the regular buzzer)

I know I could just go on YouTube and search for lost playings of these games, but I have sensory issues and certain game show sound effects don't sit well with me. I can handle the regular buzzer just fine, but not the foghorn buzzer, so when I watch, I have to mute during certain games, second spins in the Showcase Showdown (I used to think they also sounded the foghorn if someone lost with a total too low - I didn't realize they didn't sound any buzzer at all until just a few years ago), and the Showcase reveals. So that's why I am asking all this, and I appreciate the answers.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on October 23, 2019, 08:40:29 AM
1. You can take the trip from anywhere in the US (and possibly the world.) Airfare is calculated out of LA. IIRC from the conversation I overheard in the room where they explain the winnings to each contestant, the contestant who wins the trip doesn't have to worry about whether the price from their home city is more or expensive than the airfare from LA; the show will cover it.

2. I have no inside info on this, but my instinct is that an around the world trip is considered 3 separate trips from LA (or whatever the contestant's home base is.) I don't think you have to take them back to back.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: LiteBulb88 on October 23, 2019, 09:05:37 AM
Thanks!

No problem, but make sure you read Scott's message which was below mine:

I don't know how fulfillment works these days, but for Around the World showcases, the airfare is always listed in the paperwork as one retail price (using the example given, as Los Angeles to Costa Rica to Iceland to Thailand to Los Angeles). And four airplane trips are going to be less expensive than the six airplane trips that would result if the contestant visited each destination separately.

He used to work for the show, so you should trust his post much more than you trust mine :).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ooboh on October 23, 2019, 10:32:53 AM
One of the total Plinko losses (before the sound system was changed) used both the regular and foghorn buzzer at the same time, the former to signify the $0 hit and the latter to signify the game being completely lost.

1) I imagine Hot Seat would use it if the 35 seconds expires as well.
5) Dice Game used to use the regular buzzer
7) As did 1/2 Off (on both wrong SP guesses and empty box reveals)
10) Pocket Change does use the regular buzzer if a $.00 card is revealed unless it's the final card, yes?
11) Rat Race: What about if someone gives a bad guess to the third prize and fails to earn any rats?


I recall these games using the foghorn buzzer in the Barker and early Drew eras. Did those games change to the regular buzzer as Danger Price did?

- Balance Game ('06)
- Barker's Bargain Bar (not sure if the foghorn carried over to Bargain Game)
- Check Game (even if the total was under, not over)
- Gas Money
- More or Less
- Take Two (only if lost on the second pick, first wrong pick uses the regular buzzer)

I know I could just go on YouTube and search for lost playings of these games, but I have sensory issues and certain game show sound effects don't sit well with me. I can handle the regular buzzer just fine, but not the foghorn buzzer, so when I watch, I have to mute during certain games, second spins in the Showcase Showdown (I used to think they also sounded the foghorn if someone lost with a total too low - I didn't realize they didn't sound any buzzer at all until just a few years ago), and the Showcase reveals. So that's why I am asking all this, and I appreciate the answers.

1) Once a player nearly ran out of time on Hot Seat and I heard the end of the song. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a buzzer at the end of the track.
5) Yup, now they changed it.
7) Yup. I almost think it’s a matter of time until games like Stack the Deck and Cover Up do that too.
10) Yup, Pocket Change uses the regular buzzer uncovering the $0.00 card on Pocket Change, but the foghorn plays regardless of the card revealed if the game is lost
11) I imagine it would be akin to Secret X. I’ve seen playings where Secret X players got both small products wrong, thus not being able to reveal the Secret X and hear the foghorn, and they heared the regular buzzer followed by the losing horns.

1) Balance Game 2006 uses the regular buzzer to the best of my knowledge.
2) I’m fairly certain Bargain Game uses the regular buzzer, although I’ll have to check.
3) Check Game now uses the regular buzzer for both underbids and overbids, but I just wanna make sure.
4) Gas Money uses the regular buzzer.
5) More or Less? uses the regular buzzer, played with the losing horns if the player loses on the first prize.
6) The most recent playing of Take Two had the regular buzzer played both times.

Certain sound effects don’t sit well with me either, and I’m not particularly keen on the foghorn buzzer either.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on October 29, 2019, 06:06:50 PM
If it's even allowed, could I go to two tapings in one day, or does the waiting portion of the second taping overlap with the taping of the first?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: LiteBulb88 on October 29, 2019, 08:40:16 PM
You can go to two tapings in one day as long as they're about 5 hours apart. (For example, if the tapings are at 8:30, 12, and 3:30, you could go to the 8:30 and 3:30 tapings). The only catch is they ask you to get a ticket only for the first show, and then if there's room, they'll let you back in line for the second one.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on October 31, 2019, 02:30:13 AM
Protip--specifically ask the page or one of the OCA members as you're walking out if there are any seats for the next taping. Even if George doesn't specifically ask for returnees at the end of the taping, there's still a chance there might be a few seats left and they can squeeze you in. Only catch is there is no guarantee your group will be able to sit together in the studio, and your seats will obviously not be as good.

You do the whole process again from just after the green screen photo, including a fresh interview with Stan, and contestants who weren't picked in the day's first taping have gotten picked in the second.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: thatvhstapeguy on November 06, 2019, 01:06:19 AM
Does Ten Chances use whiteboards, or do they load up each slot with a fresh piece of cardstock or other paper-type material?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on November 06, 2019, 01:30:37 AM
Does Ten Chances use whiteboards, or do they load up each slot with a fresh piece of cardstock or other paper-type material?
I'd assume paper of some kind, since I've seen players scribble over what they were writing in order to change their guess (i.e., if they repeat a digit, etc.), rather than erasing it (as you could on a dry-erase board).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on November 06, 2019, 09:24:50 AM
Yes, they still use paper. On a recent playing (https://youtu.be/N-c6msqcT2g) of 10 Chances (jump to 36:03) a contestant used a number twice in the price of the car. She scribbled out her guess, eventually prompting Drew to flip the card over.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: mellongraig on November 06, 2019, 11:02:34 AM
1) Once a player nearly ran out of time on Hot Seat and I heard the end of the song. I wouldn’t be surprised if there isn’t a buzzer at the end of the track.
5) Yup, now they changed it.
7) Yup. I almost think it’s a matter of time until games like Stack the Deck and Cover Up do that too.
10) Yup, Pocket Change uses the regular buzzer uncovering the $0.00 card on Pocket Change, but the foghorn plays regardless of the card revealed if the game is lost
11) I imagine it would be akin to Secret X. I’ve seen playings where Secret X players got both small products wrong, thus not being able to reveal the Secret X and hear the foghorn, and they heared the regular buzzer followed by the losing horns.

1) Balance Game 2006 uses the regular buzzer to the best of my knowledge.
2) I’m fairly certain Bargain Game uses the regular buzzer, although I’ll have to check.
3) Check Game now uses the regular buzzer for both underbids and overbids, but I just wanna make sure.
4) Gas Money uses the regular buzzer.
5) More or Less? uses the regular buzzer, played with the losing horns if the player loses on the first prize.
6) The most recent playing of Take Two had the regular buzzer played both times.

Certain sound effects don’t sit well with me either, and I’m not particularly keen on the foghorn buzzer either.

To me, I'm not a fan of the current regular buzzer due to the harshness of the sound which has been in place since 1991 (even though they've softened it a bit in the final years of the Barker era and all of the Carey era, it still sounds the same). I do know that from the mid 80s up to the early-mid 90s a lot of games used both sounds for losses, sometimes interchangeably from one sound to another after one loss to the next. Even Card Game did use the foghorn for overbids from the game's debut up until about the mid 90s or so.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Teddy on November 06, 2019, 12:48:11 PM
One Away also used the regular buzzer until the current SFX automation began in 2013.

Safe Crackers, Blank Check/Check Game, Pick-a-Pair and Five Price Tags (whenever a NO was revealed) once used the foghorn buzzer, but they have all been changed to the regular buzzer (same goes for Danger Price and More or Less).

There was a time when a handful of games used both buzzers interchangeably, mostly during the late 80s and early 90s; the most notable examples were GP games, like Check-Out, Grocery Game, Grand Game and the retired $uper $aver.

Bargain Game still uses the foghorn buzzer whenever it is lost; it and Most Expensive have been known to use the regular buzzer in the past, which does not fit either game at all.

Speaking of no buzzer for time running out in Hot Seat, I remember when this was true for Switcheroo until it was changed near the end of Barker's run as host.

On the unusual side of things, I've heard the foghorn sounded for losses in 1 Right Price, Double Prices, Hi Lo and Money Game (with the first three usually using the regular buzzer, while Money Game uses neither), and the regular buzzer in Lucky $even and Any Number (where the ding and losing horns are used instead).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on November 08, 2019, 05:21:14 AM
I'm sure nobody would ever do this, but if the first two people to spin the wheel went over, could the third person theoretically spin twice to try to get $1 or will they only allow one spin in that scenario?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on November 08, 2019, 09:28:18 AM
If the third spinner doesn't get a dollar on their first spin they aren't allowed to spin again.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: mellongraig on November 13, 2019, 09:36:09 PM
If the third spinner doesn't get a dollar on their first spin they aren't allowed to spin again.

Unless if the big wheel does not go all the way around, in that case a re-spin would be necessary.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on November 14, 2019, 08:53:45 PM
How is Drew "informed" which showcase price to reveal first?   Obviously the producers have him go in the order that will cause the most drama (when possible), but how is he told?  He acts like he looks at something on the podiums.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRfan#9821 on November 14, 2019, 08:58:43 PM
IIRC, Drew goes backstage during that commercial break. I'm sure he is told who to start with there.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: moneygamelover on November 14, 2019, 09:22:19 PM
Along those lines, aren't any DSWs always supposed to be revealed 2nd?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on November 14, 2019, 09:26:39 PM
Along those lines, aren't any DSWs always supposed to be revealed 2nd?

Unless you can think of a scenario in which a DSW revealed first would create a more dramatic reaction...yes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Shaymin on November 14, 2019, 09:32:19 PM
Re: revealing a DSW-caliber bid first, I'd have to think the only way that would happen would be if both contestants were in DSW range.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GameShowFan9001 on November 14, 2019, 09:43:15 PM
Say that the following happens during the showcase showdown:
-Both Player A and Player B get $1.00, therefore starting a bonus spinoff; Player C loses by normal means
-during the bonus spinoff, Player A spins the wheel, but doesn't get it all the way around


The rule during a typical single person bonus spin is that your spin doesn't count and you're not allowed to spin again.  What would this rule mean for Player A in the above scenario?  Would they be eliminated right then and there, with Player B winning by default (and still getting their bonus spin of course)?  Would they get an effective score of 0, and be eliminated if Player B successfully gets the wheel around, and engage in a non-bonus spinoff if Player B also fails to get the wheel around?  Or would something else happen?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on November 14, 2019, 09:45:05 PM
Say that the following happens during the showcase showdown:
-Both Player A and Player B get $1.00, therefore starting a bonus spinoff; Player C loses by normal means
-during the bonus spinoff, Player A spins the wheel, but doesn't get it all the way around


The rule during a typical single person bonus spin is that your spin doesn't count and you're not allowed to spin again.  What would this rule mean for Player A in the above scenario?  Would they be eliminated altogether, with Player B winning by default (and still getting their bonus spin of course)?  Would they get an effective score of 0, and be eliminated if Player B successfully gets the wheel around, and engage in a non-bonus spinoff if Player B also fails to get the wheel around?  Or would something else happen?

I've seen this happen before, at least once during the Barker years. It works like this: if in the event of a bonus spinoff, if a contestant doesn't get the wheel all the way around, they have to spin again but it doesn't count for the bonus spin; whatever the wheel stops on is what goes on the scoreboard for the spinoff.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GameShowFan9001 on November 14, 2019, 09:47:07 PM
I've seen this happen before, at least once during the Barker years. It works like this: if in the event of a bonus spinoff, if a contestant doesn't get the wheel all the way around, they have to spin again but it doesn't count for the bonus spin; whatever the wheel stops on is what goes on the scoreboard for the spinoff.
Ah, makes sense.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on November 14, 2019, 09:49:33 PM
Re: revealing a DSW-caliber bid first, I'd have to think the only way that would happen would be if both contestants were in DSW range.

Unless one of them has a WSD. There are only two choices regarding which one to reveal first, either:

A) The DSW is revealed first, putting much pressure on the opponent to beat the DSW, but when the second bid is revealed, it creates an anti-climax (as you would think that the better DSW would be revealed second), or,

B) The WSD is revealed first, which creates tension via the fact that there very well could be a DOB and even a WSQ.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on November 14, 2019, 09:55:44 PM
WSQ

A what?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on November 14, 2019, 10:00:50 PM
Sorry, I'm thinking I'm in CSS  :D A WSQ is when both players are over by less than $250 from each of their showcases. So named because it's QSW (quadruple showcase winner - double showcase winner x2) backwards, which is when each player is less than $250 away from their respective showcase, but neither goes over.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on November 14, 2019, 10:06:38 PM
I've seen this happen before, at least once during the Barker years. It works like this: if in the event of a bonus spinoff, if a contestant doesn't get the wheel all the way around, they have to spin again but it doesn't count for the bonus spin; whatever the wheel stops on is what goes on the scoreboard for the spinoff.
There was a show in season 31, the November 27 show, where a contestant did not get the wheel all the way around in a bonus spin/spinoff and was disqualified without being able to spin again to have a score for the spinoff. http://tpirstats.com/Season31/November/27.html (http://tpirstats.com/Season31/November/27.html)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ThomHuge on November 14, 2019, 10:35:40 PM
Sorry, I'm thinking I'm in CSS  :D

Let's keep CSS terms in the CSS section, shall we? CSS is like HYO--not all of us spend time in those sections.

There was a show in season 31, the November 27 show, where a contestant did not get the wheel all the way around in a bonus spin/spinoff and was disqualified without being able to spin again to have a score for the spinoff. http://tpirstats.com/Season31/November/27.html (http://tpirstats.com/Season31/November/27.html)

The time I'm thinking of was when the red carpet in front of the wheel was just dots (in other words, a LONG time ago) so it's entirely possible I'm misremembering.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on November 14, 2019, 10:57:37 PM
Re: revealing a DSW-caliber bid first, I'd have to think the only way that would happen would be if both contestants were in DSW range.

And that did once in the 70's with the $30 vs. $29 situation, would that have been the only time? I'm tending to assume so.....but probably wrong lol.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on November 15, 2019, 01:16:48 PM
How is Drew "informed" which showcase price to reveal first?   Obviously the producers have him go in the order that will cause the most drama (when possible), but how is he told?  He acts like he looks at something on the podiums.
IIRC, Drew goes backstage during that commercial break. I'm sure he is told who to start with there.

I'll assume it still works this way...

Along with Drew and a producer, one of the people backstage who is learning which price to reveal first is the person who holds the cue cards so Drew can remember what each showcase was ("You had a year's supply of coffee, a trip to Kona, and a Hyundai Kona"). As the show comes out of commercial, that person holds up the card with the first showcase whose price should be revealed, and at the top of the card is the generic identifier that's on the showcase displays (HAWAII/SUV). Drew is looking at the showcase display to make sure he's at the one that matches the cue card that matches the first price to reveal.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpiradam on November 15, 2019, 01:24:37 PM
And that did once in the 70's with the $30 vs. $29 situation, would that have been the only time? I'm tending to assume so.....but probably wrong lol.

This wasn’t a DSW but I recall an episode from the eighties where the first contestants difference was only about $300 or so, leaving me to think the second contestant was even closer, however the second contestant missed by a few thousand
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: mellongraig on November 15, 2019, 11:10:57 PM
Sometimes especially during the Barker years Bob would poll the audience to determine who has won by virtue of applause/cheer and then start accordingly from there. That seemed more common in the 80s and a lesser extent in the 90s.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on November 16, 2019, 12:02:18 AM
The time I'm thinking of was when the red carpet in front of the wheel was just dots (in other words, a LONG time ago) so it's entirely possible I'm misremembering.
There's also been at least once where the person that didn't get the wheel all the way around in a spin-off did get to spin again to have a spin-off score. There was a lot of flack for Bob disqualifying the contestant in the season 31 incident since it went against what had been done prior and was unfair to the contestant.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on November 16, 2019, 01:57:20 AM
It's possible that sometime between the earlier incident and Season 31, they realized they didn’t a rule for that situation and officially changed/added “it doesn’t count and you don’t get to spin again" to the spinoff rules.

But the more likely explanation is Bob had a senior moment, and either nobody in the production caught it, or nobody wanted to stop tape to correct the EP on the air.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on December 11, 2019, 09:26:39 PM
When talking about the "zero rule" in 10 Chances, some fans add, "If 0 isn't a choice, then the last number is 5."

Do we know the last playing where this was the case? Seems like it's been so long it's not even worth mentioning anymore.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 11, 2019, 11:09:23 PM
I'm not sure exactly when it was, but it's gotta be about 20 years at this point.  I'm thinking either Season 28 or Season 29.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: mellongraig on December 16, 2019, 04:36:16 AM
Going back to the buzzer situation, in Lucky Seven early on it was common to hear the regular buzzer go off when the contestant went broke in 1973 and early 1974. By the time Season 3 came (and maybe earlier than that, but later in 1974 for sure), the regular dings were heard and only then afterwards the buzzer would be used in exceptional circumstances just like Any Number as well for example.

I've seen instances in the 80s where Blank Check/Check Game (for underbids and overbids), Safe Crackers, Pick a Pair, Secret X, among others used the regular buzzer too for losses even if it wasn't the primary sound that was used (or in cases alternated between the two buzzers like Pick a Pair being akin to Take Two).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on December 30, 2019, 03:45:45 PM
Anyone have a list of all the known playings of Plinko where no money was won, and how many chips the player had?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: moneygamelover on January 15, 2020, 12:40:27 AM
About how fast does the money count down during the 2nd part of Time is Money? During today's show Drew stated that it was about $1000 every 2 seconds. Is that about accurate?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on January 15, 2020, 03:37:32 AM
I could have sworn that the time clock started off fast and slowed down as it got closer to $0, so I found a few videos of recent playings and did a frame-by-frame analysis. Nope. I was dead wrong, the clock runs at the same rate whether it's at $19,500 or $500.

Here's what else I learned:


The money clock, however, does not match the 29.97 FPS that NTSC shows are shot and broadcast at. It runs at 16 frames per second. It repeats the same pattern every half second; or, in other words, 8 different numbers are flashed on the money clock every half second, each one $30-32 less than the number that was flashed before.

Put simply: The money clock repeats the same 8-number sequence that knocks off $250 in half a second, 80 times in a playing.

Interestingly, that 8-number sequence doesn't seem to start in the same place or contain the same numbers every playing. For example, in one playing it went [8000; 7969; 7938; 7906....7500; 7469; 7438; 7406...], and in another it went [8008; 7976; 7946; 7914...7508; 7476, 7446, 7414...] The first sequence results in nice, round amounts being winnable like $14,000, $8,500, or $5,250; the second sequence produces numbers like $14,008 and $8,508 and $5,258. Why does it do this? Darned if I know, but I thought it was interesting.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpiradam on January 15, 2020, 10:56:39 AM
Before the age of the internet and reruns on GSN, how were winning records and ‘historic moments’ documented? One example I can think of is I’ve heard there was a near full Plinko win sometime in the late 80s/early 90s but I’m not able to find any information other than the fact it happened. Was it one of those moments where someone vividly recalls it happening and it gets passed on via word of mouth? Same thing with the supposed $0 difference from the 70s and a moment from the late 80s where both contestants showcase bids were less than $100 or even just biggest winners and double showcase winners.

What was the deal with Make Your Move’s rule change early in its incarnation? Why was it not played during the second half of its premiere season? Same question for pick-a-pair, bargain game, card game and check game’s long absences.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ooboh on January 15, 2020, 02:28:44 PM
I could have sworn that the time clock started off fast and slowed down as it got closer to $0, so I found a few videos of recent playings and did a frame-by-frame analysis. Nope. I was dead wrong, the clock runs at the same rate whether it's at $19,500 or $500.

Here's what else I learned:

  • The time clock runs exactly 40 seconds each time.
  • $1,000, exactly to the dollar, is run off exactly every two seconds.
  • Exactly $500 to the second.
  • Exactly $250 is run off every half second.

The money clock, however, does not match the 29.97 FPS that NTSC shows are shot and broadcast at. It runs at 16 frames per second. It repeats the same pattern every half second; or, in other words, 8 different numbers are flashed on the money clock every half second, each one $30-32 less than the number that was flashed before.

Put simply: The money clock repeats the same 8-number sequence that knocks off $250 in half a second, 80 times in a playing.

Interestingly, that 8-number sequence doesn't seem to start in the same place or contain the same numbers every playing. For example, in one playing it went [8000; 7969; 7938; 7906....7500; 7469; 7438; 7406...], and in another it went [8008; 7976; 7946; 7914...7508; 7476, 7446, 7414...] The first sequence results in nice, round amounts being winnable like $14,000, $8,500, or $5,250; the second sequence produces numbers like $14,008 and $8,508 and $5,258. Why does it do this? Darned if I know, but I thought it was interesting.

$250 in half a second, so $31.25 every 1/16 (0.0625) seconds. Of course, the money clock is only integers, so the clock likely decreases in a cycle of $31-$31-$31-$32.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on January 15, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
Interestingly, that 8-number sequence doesn't seem to start in the same place or contain the same numbers every playing. For example, in one playing it went [8000; 7969; 7938; 7906....7500; 7469; 7438; 7406...], and in another it went [8008; 7976; 7946; 7914...7508; 7476, 7446, 7414...] The first sequence results in nice, round amounts being winnable like $14,000, $8,500, or $5,250; the second sequence produces numbers like $14,008 and $8,508 and $5,258. Why does it do this? Darned if I know, but I thought it was interesting.

That is interesting. I wonder whether the computer running the game is tracking button presses down to the millisecond. So while the monitor can only display one dollar amount per frame during the countdown, when the contestant presses the button, the computer determines exactly what the money should be and displays that number. Then, when the countdown is resumed, the display starts subtracting $31/$32 from the most recent stopping point.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on January 15, 2020, 05:19:46 PM
The money clock, however, does not match the 29.97 FPS that NTSC shows are shot and broadcast at. It runs at 16 frames per second. It repeats the same pattern every half second; or, in other words, 8 different numbers are flashed on the money clock every half second, each one $30-32 less than the number that was flashed before.

Wouldn't it be better to do a frame-by-frame analysis of an actual TV airing since Price is aired in 60 FPS? CBS.com downscales it to 30, but if you use a good capture device to capture it live on CBS, you should be able to play it back in the better framerate.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on January 15, 2020, 05:43:10 PM
Before the age of the internet and reruns on GSN, how were winning records and ‘historic moments’ documented? One example I can think of is I’ve heard there was a near full Plinko win sometime in the late 80s/early 90s but I’m not able to find any information other than the fact it happened.

It did happen, November 30, 1990. Contestant won $21,000 out of a then possible $25,000. The FAQ has it listed. Still no video of it though out there. I'd love to see it eventually personally, as I suspect others here might too.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: RatRace10 on January 15, 2020, 05:50:18 PM
It did happen, November 30, 1990. Contestant won $21,000 out of a then possible $25,000. The FAQ has it listed. Still no video of it though out there. I'd love to see it eventually personally, as I suspect others here might too.

Bob alluded to this when the record total was about to be broken in terms of actual winnings after the center slot permanently increased to $10K. ("The most anyone's won in Plinko is $21,000 - four chips in the $5,000, one in the $1,000") Of course, this remains the "best" playing of the game to date despite the changes in values.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on January 15, 2020, 06:01:33 PM
Wouldn't it be better to do a frame-by-frame analysis of an actual TV airing since Price is aired in 60 FPS? CBS.com downscales it to 30, but if you use a good capture device to capture it live on CBS, you should be able to play it back in the better framerate.

In theory, but I don't have that at the moment. ;-) I'm a cable-cutter and my CBS streaming service is only 30fps.

$250 in half a second, so $31.25 every 1/16 (0.0625) seconds. Of course, the money clock is only integers, so the clock likely decreases in a cycle of $31-$31-$31-$32.

The amount subtracted always seems to be in this order: $31-$31-$32-$31-$31-$32-$30-$32, repeated. It's nearly identical to "what it it eliminated $31.25 every time, and then rounded the amount to the nearest dollar", except the last two numbers in the eight-number sequence are respectively $1 higher and $1 lower than they ought to be. You can almost break it into a perfect quarter-second, 4-number $125 loop, but it fails to correctly predict the last two numbers in every other loop.

That is interesting. I wonder whether the computer running the game is tracking button presses down to the millisecond. So while the monitor can only display one dollar amount per frame during the countdown, when the contestant presses the button, the computer determines exactly what the money should be and displays that number. Then, when the countdown is resumed, the display starts subtracting $31/$32 from the most recent stopping point.

I thought that too, but it doesn't seem to be the case. The same amounts are displayed on every $250 loop, whether the button is hit or not.

So I went to tpirstats to see some of the odd amounts that have been won. I think that revealed the answer.

There are only three sequences, all with perfect $250 loops.

a) One loops perfectly on every $1000/$750/$500/$250 amount.
b) One loops $8 higher, on every $1008/$758/$508/$258 amount.
c) One loops $8 lower, on every $992/$742/$492/$242 amount.

On loop a, the first amount removes $31, going from $20,000 to $19,969, immediately beginning the 31-31-32-31-31-32-30-32 loop. When the clock runs out, it follows the normal $250-$219-$188-$156-$125-$94-$64-$32-$0 pattern.
On loop b, the first amount removes $54 ONLY when starting the clock, going from $20,000 to $19,946, and from then on looping perfectly through that $250 8-number sequence until ending with $258-$226-$196-$164-$133-$102-$70-$39-$8-$0.
On loop c, the first amount removes $39 on the first amount ONLY, going from $20,000 to $19,961, and from then on looping perfectly through that $250 8-number sequence until ending with $274-$242-$211-$180-$148-$117-$86-$54-$24-$0.

Pulled in those playings and counted the money clock frame-by-frame and every playing seems to match up perfectly with one of those three patterns.

And as one final note, all of this applies to all the playings I analyzed from S47 and S48, but at some point it was changed to this pattern from something different. Some S46 playings have winning amounts that appear to be off by about $2, and when I looked at one from 2014 the clock ran much more smoothly, to the point where the tens digit changed every frame and I couldn't make out the ones digit on a freeze frame.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: ooboh on January 15, 2020, 07:15:12 PM
Gamesurf, I remember making a post about this a few months back. It seemed, in the early stages of the game’s history, the clock actually looked like it decreased by $1 every  2 milliseconds. It probably must’ve been a nightmare to run it on the computer, which is probably why they changed it to the current average of $31.25 per 1/16 second.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: PatrickRox80 on February 01, 2020, 01:11:44 PM
What will replace the "K" on the production codes? The first one starting with 9 just aired this past week.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Plinkoman on February 17, 2020, 05:40:23 PM
At the end of each taping they draw a door prize of $100. If you were a previous contestant within the last ten years and you go to a taping just to watch, and you just so happen to win the door prize, are you still eligible to win the $100?

Just curious because I'm planning on taking a few friends out to LA next year and, while I won't be eligible for another 8 years, 9 months, 3 weeks, and 3 days (not that I'm counting, or anything), and think it would be neat to snag an extra $100 just for attending a taping.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on March 05, 2020, 10:18:59 AM
I have a question regarding the rules of Card Game. Maybe they explain this and I just don’t pay enough attention, but is there anything stopping you from continually drawing cards until you draw the Ace and then making the price whatever you think it should be? Or is there a rule that once you get the Ace you can pick any number you want but it can’t be a number lower than the current price based on the previous cards drawn?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on March 05, 2020, 10:47:07 AM
The way the ace actually works is you can make the ace any number that will be added to your total. Back in the Bob days contestants had to do a little bit of math to figure out how much they want to add to their total.


You can not make the ace a negative number, so no subtracting from your total.


You could also hold on to the ace and use it after drawing some other cards if you wanted but I don't think anyone has done that in quite a long time.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on March 05, 2020, 12:43:44 PM
Back in the Bob days contestants had to do a little bit of math to figure out how much they want to add to their total.

No, they didn't.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on March 05, 2020, 01:38:48 PM
One thing I'm curious about... I know there's details in the Timeline about things like
* the first non-Golden Road 5-digit car
* when each car game started offering 5-digit cars (and when their final 4-digit cars were)
* when the final 4-digit Showcase was

But I'm surprised there's nothing on when the first 5-digit Showcase was. Do we know when that happened?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SuperSweeper on March 05, 2020, 04:08:37 PM
One thing I'm curious about... I know there's details in the Timeline about things like
* the first non-Golden Road 5-digit car
* when each car game started offering 5-digit cars (and when their final 4-digit cars were)
* when the final 4-digit Showcase was

But I'm surprised there's nothing on when the first 5-digit Showcase was. Do we know when that happened?

The absolute latest it would be would be the spring of 1975. On Carlos’s old YouTube channel, he had a clip of a cat-themed Showcase from that time that had both a Toyota Corolla and a Jaguar XKE. And yes, this was a daytime episode.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Thatgameshowguy on March 07, 2020, 01:06:31 AM
No, they didn't.
I thought I remembered a clip of someone accidentally bidding more than they meant to, but I'm probably just confusing it with something else. My bad.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: COINBOYNYC on March 08, 2020, 12:53:52 AM
The way the ace actually works is you can make the ace any number that will be added to your total. Back in the Bob days contestants had to do a little bit of math to figure out how much they want to add to their total.

No, they didn't.

They didn't/don't?  Are you saying that, whatever dollar value of the cards you've already drawn, if you draw the ace you can say "I think the total value of the car is X"?

Or am I missing something here?  Because I've always thought it was, if you have, say, $3,200 and you draw the ace, you give Bob/Drew a number, and that number will be added to the $3,200, at which point the gameplay ends and you find out if you won.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on March 08, 2020, 08:01:35 AM
They didn't/don't?  Are you saying that, whatever dollar value of the cards you've already drawn, if you draw the ace you can say "I think the total value of the car is X"?

Or am I missing something here?  Because I've always thought it was, if you have, say, $3,200 and you draw the ace, you give Bob/Drew a number, and that number will be added to the $3,200, at which point the gameplay ends and you find out if you won.

From best I recall, Bob at least at times would tell a contestant who got an Ace, that if they had a price in mind they could give it to him, and the game would stop right then and there. So I'm inclined to believe Steve on this one, it makes the most sense anyway, since it's simpler than forcing them to do math in that moment.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on March 08, 2020, 08:39:16 AM
The way Drew explains it, aces can be 1) any number which will be added to your current total, or 2) the contestant can name a price and stop the game right there. If you want to make the ace a number, I would assume it to be understood to be any positive, whole number (that is, greater than zero with no decimal point). However if you wish to state a price, I have not found anything that says you cannot state a price lower than your current bid, and if that is not allowed perhaps Drew should say so. (Reason that he doesn't, I think, is that such a rule is unnecessary. When the contestant draws another card, it would imply that they believe their current bid is too low and so nobody ever thinks of going lower.)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on March 08, 2020, 08:47:28 AM
The way Drew explains it, aces can be 1) any number which will be added to your current total, or 2) the contestant can name a price and stop the game right there. If you want to make the ace a number, I would assume it to be understood to be any positive, whole number (that is, greater than zero with no decimal point). However if you wish to state a price, I have not found anything that says you cannot state a price lower than your current bid, and if that is not allowed perhaps Drew should say so. (Reason that he doesn't, I think, is that such a rule is unnecessary. When the contestant draws another card, it would imply that they believe their current bid is too low and so nobody ever thinks of going lower.)

That would make an interesting wrinkle gotta admit though......and not as if other games don't allow for chances to make changes (Temptation for example). Might be a bit odd here that said, but still an intriguing thought.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on March 08, 2020, 12:51:16 PM
The problem with allowing aces to be negative is it makes aces so powerful every other card in the deck is irrelevant.

Like spmhan alluded to, a contestant could potentially draw 20, 30, or 40+ cards from the deck looking for an ace and then just bid what they wanted to bid in the first place. That’s a waste of everyone’s time.

It’s fine for a game called “Card Game” to have some dependency on luck of the cards.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on March 08, 2020, 03:42:29 PM
Like spmhan alluded to, a contestant could potentially draw 20, 30, or 40+ cards from the deck looking for an ace and then just bid what they wanted to bid in the first place. That’s a waste of everyone’s time.
Unrelated, but it made me wonder: what is the most amount of cards a contestant has pulled in a single playing?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on March 08, 2020, 04:41:25 PM
Dunno overall, but the largest in the Drew era was 13 cards, reached twice.

Once was in S43 (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,23879.0.html) during Dream Car week (the contestant went about $4,000 over), the other was in S37 (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,10830.0.html) (where it turned out all 13 draws were needed to win the car).

Neither contestant drew an ace.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on March 09, 2020, 12:29:18 PM
Are there statistics that the show keeps of how often contestants waive the prizes they’ve won and which prizes get rejected the most? Some stuff like electronics or small appliances are almost certainly kept by everyone, but lets say you live in a small apartment and win a giant fridge, or a washer and dryer, or a pool table, or a hot tub, something completely impractical for your situation, more likely than not you’re just going to say thanks but no thanks, right? Especially if you don’t have the means to store whatever it is until you sell it for probably 40% of it’s actual value. Same goes with boats or jet skis I would imagine as well?

The vacations are an interesting one too, I would imagine for a lot of contestants their trip to LA and appearance on TPIR probably is their vacation from work, and it seems unlikely that they’d want or be able to immediately take a jaunt to some other location, and that’s assuming it’s not a trip to someplace they’re meh about traveling to in the first place.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on March 09, 2020, 08:34:20 PM
Ehhhh, I suspect they would deem that unimportant information, and if it is important, most likely confidential. So I would guess, no.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on March 10, 2020, 01:02:51 AM
There’s no way of knowing which prizes are accepted or declined short of tracking down winners and asking them. That’s not something the show would ever make public.

But if you’re a producer trying to produce “winners” but still control the budget, there might be some logic in offering a $20,000 bathroom hoping that most contestants would turn it down rather than spend $6,000 on taxes for something they don’t really want or need.

Trips do not need to be taken immediately if accepted. They can be taken anytime within one year from the air date.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GasMoney09721007 on March 13, 2020, 09:19:32 AM
What's the record for the most spin-offs in one Showcase Showdown? (Or at the very least, spin-offs that made it to air since at some point I'm sure some had to be cut for time)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GameShowFan9001 on March 13, 2020, 09:29:21 AM
What's the record for the most spin-offs in one Showcase Showdown? (Or at the very least, spin-offs that made it to air since at some point I'm sure some had to be cut for time)
I don't know if this is the actual record, but 3 is the most I've ever seen, and it's happened at least twice:
https://youtu.be/7fFqiuXoLcA (https://youtu.be/7fFqiuXoLcA)
https://youtu.be/lOPW-m6D01g (https://youtu.be/lOPW-m6D01g)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on March 30, 2020, 10:16:22 AM
When it comes to grocery items, what determines when the show refers to them by their brand name vs. a generic label? For example on Friday’s show a box of Fruit Rollups were called “fruit flavored snack rolls” or a bottle of Asprin might be called “A bottle of pain reliever pills” which a carton of juice might be called “A 12 ounce carton of Minute Maid Pink Lemonade”. Does it just come down to whether or not the brand is a sponsor or not?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SamJ93 on March 30, 2020, 10:50:44 AM
When it comes to grocery items, what determines when the show refers to them by their brand name vs. a generic label? For example on Friday’s show a box of Fruit Rollups were called “fruit flavored snack rolls” or a bottle of Asprin might be called “A bottle of pain reliever pills” which a carton of juice might be called “A 12 ounce carton of Minute Maid Pink Lemonade”. Does it just come down to whether or not the brand is a sponsor or not?

Yes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on April 12, 2020, 07:04:52 PM
Kinda random, but does anyone know if/when they stopped doing the Every Room in the House showcases? I always enjoyed those.

I seem to recall an episode in January 2010 when they did an every room in the house showcase, and it was accompanied by either splendido or that other old cue used for furniture showcases, probably the last time I heard that cue in its full.

Speaking of cues, I've been watching some older episodes from seasons 36 to 40 lately, and I've noticed a complete and utter overhaul of the classic music cues in terms of them completely ridding most of them between season 37 and 38. Why did they do this? I miss those, especially the MGHS one. I recall the last time I heard that was January 3, 2012, Jenny McCarthy's special appearance episode. Was that the last time it was heard or did it survive a bit longer than that? Did any others survive into the 2010s? I sort of remember that old trip cue from the 80s lasting until about 2011 too.  In terms of today, I absolutely hate most of the new cues. Surprised they haven't thrown the 1994 cue from the davidson for multiple prize games down the drain yet for being too "old"
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on April 12, 2020, 07:06:43 PM
Beanstalker is still being used to this day, but that's the only one I know of.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on April 12, 2020, 07:09:32 PM
Beanstalker is still being used to this day, but that's the only one I know of.

An updated version of it though. I don't think they've used the original cue as a part of regular rotation since late 2009, maybe 2010, not counting special episodes like decades week, etc.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on April 12, 2020, 07:14:39 PM
Hmm, then that's probably the case then, most cues being thrown out entirely with the remainder being slightly updated. Pretty sure that's the case with the '94 cue you mentioned (Fortune Hunter cue?) since it doesn't seem to me that the one used currently is the original.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: htmlcc92 on April 12, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
An updated version of it though. I don't think they've used the original cue as a part of regular rotation since late 2009, maybe 2010, not counting special episodes like decades week, etc.

They’ve also been using remixes of The Big Banana and Cats.

Also are the cues they used for the air hockey table and tool package IUFBs in Friday the 10th’s show from the Barker era?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on April 12, 2020, 08:14:52 PM
They’ve also been using remixes of The Big Banana and Cats.

Also are the cues they used for the air hockey table and tool package IUFBs in Friday the 10th’s show from the Barker era?

I have that episode on tape, I'll have to take a look. I didn't notice any usage of Cats from recent episodes but I may have just missed it. I'm trying to be more attentive when watching to see if I can pick up on these things but sometimes its tough as I watch TPIR while on the treadmill. Other than the older harp cue used in the baby shower episode last year, the only other one I noticed (about a month ago) during the showcase was a sort of updated version of that saxephone type showcase cue from the early 2000's or late 90s, no clue what it's name but usually it played for furniture showcases then and it was played with a car this time.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on April 14, 2020, 12:01:17 PM
Which pricing games overall have the worst win percentage? Not counting stuff like Plinko where a “win” is practically impossible. I know games can be and often are setup to either be won or lost based on typical player strategy, but which games just don’t get won very often? I feel like I almost never see anyone win That’s Too Much, and yesterday’s win was probably only the second or third time I’ve ever seen a win in that one.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on April 14, 2020, 12:28:28 PM
Hot Seat and Pay the Rent are probably the worst you're gonna find. Punchy you might be able to include with Plinko, as there's a 1 in 40 chance of "winning".
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on April 14, 2020, 02:36:58 PM
Thanks to tpirstats.com, you don't have to guess.

Excluding Plinko, between Season 29 through 47, Punch-a-Bunch has the worst win/loss record, at 22-336.

The top (bottom?) 5 worst records are:
Punch-a-Bunch   22-336    6.15%
Pay the Rent     5-75     6.25%
It's in the Bag 26-436    7.39%
Hot Seat         4-41     8.89%
Gas Money       14-126   10.00%
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on April 14, 2020, 02:50:07 PM
If we're only counting the last five seasons (including S48), Temptation is also really bad at 1-34, second only to Punch-a-Bunch at 2-71.

That's Too Much, on the other hand, looks like an absolute cakewalk at 30-97, the 15th most difficult.

The most difficult game that doesn't allow for a bailout or partial win is Stack the Deck at 7-43, the 8th most difficult.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on April 14, 2020, 02:51:43 PM
I feel like Punch a Bunch should also not be included along with Plinko since winning the top prize is entirely luck based.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on April 14, 2020, 03:21:00 PM
I also feel like games that contain an out like Pay the Rent or Hot Seat should be counted differently too since we’re only going to count a win as the top prize, but the majority of players are going to cut out early whether they would have won it all or not
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on April 14, 2020, 03:35:24 PM
I feel like Punch a Bunch should also not be included along with Plinko since winning the top prize is entirely luck based.

I chose to set Plinko aside because it's hundreds of times less likely to be "won" than every other game, not just because it's luck-based.

Plus I'm a heretic who believes that unless you are Ted Slauson, most of the big cash and car games require the contestant to have some degree of luck in order to win. There's not a huge difference between picking which hole to punch and guessing whether the tens digit in Temptation is a 1 or a 3.

I also feel like games that contain an out like Pay the Rent or Hot Seat should be counted differently too since we’re only going to count a win as the top prize, but the majority of players are going to cut out early whether they would have won it all or not

From the data I have (S44-present), the bottom 15:

NameWin PercentageTotal WinsTotal LossesTotal Playings
Punch a Bunch2.74%27173
Temptation2.86%13435
It's In the Bag5.80%46569
Time i$ Money5.80%46569
Hot Seat7.55%44953
Pay the Rent7.89%33538
Gas Money11.54%64652
Stack the Deck14.00%74350
Golden Road15.79%31619
3 Strikes15.79%31619
Triple Play17.65%31417
More or Less18.37%94049
Pathfinder19.30%114657
Switcheroo20.45%93544
That's Too Much!23.62%3097127
Games without a bailout option are in bold. Of those bolded, worth noting that Time is Money, Golden Road, and More or Less still allow for partial wins worth thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: 123123123 on April 14, 2020, 04:00:45 PM
With roughly the same amount of playings, Temptation being won 3 times less than Pay The Rent in the last 5 seasons is mind boggiling to me.

Anyways, on the topic of pricing games percentages, does anyone know if there are specific win percentages that the show looks for while coming up with new games or rule-tweaking? Of course you can't really use blind probability because of the nature of many games other than quickies, but having a rough set point wouldn't hurt when dealing with more involved car games.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on April 15, 2020, 07:39:32 PM
Does anyone know if there were any one model or one barkers beauty only episodes in the past?

Rachel had an episode last year I believe or maybe 2 years ago whereby I recall she was the only model on duty that day and George had to step in a bit more than usual with his involvement in showing the prizes. I thought it also maybe occurred with Dian in the early 90s but I could be wrong. Any other times where this has occurred?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on April 19, 2020, 01:39:05 PM
Are there any clips or even whole episodes online from October 1985 when Gene Wood filled in for a bit after Johnny Olson passed away?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpirfan28 on April 19, 2020, 02:56:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zaGFsZTcCU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ch1KR8-u77Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R5le-BNbsCw
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on April 19, 2020, 03:11:28 PM
Thanks for that. Gene was an iconic game show announcer and his voice will always be synonymous with Richard Dawson Family Feud to me, but he was an awkward fit for TPIR. His voice had a more serious tone to it, very cut and dry while Price demanded an announcer with a more booming jovial tone that would convey the excitement of the show.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GasMoney09721007 on April 20, 2020, 04:39:15 PM
Years ago I read the story of Todd's Dot. As the story goes a contestant named Todd was playing Check Game and like many other contestants was confused on how to play. Supposedly he tried to write on one of the displays and punctured a small hole in it, leaving a tiny mark known as Todd's Dot which remained on the game for many years afterwards. My question is, did this really happen or was it an urban legend? If it is true does anyone know the airdate?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on April 20, 2020, 05:15:14 PM
Years ago I read the story of Todd's Dot. As the story goes a contestant named Todd was playing Check Game and like many other contestants was confused on how to play. Supposedly he tried to write on one of the displays and punctured a small hole in it, leaving a tiny mark known as Todd's Dot which remained on the game for many years afterwards. My question is, did this really happen or was it an urban legend? If it is true does anyone know the airdate?
I don't know if he actually punctured the display (I haven't watched the episode myself), but Timothy did apparently write on th readout. Airdate was October 6, 1997 (episode #0471K).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Punchboard91 on April 20, 2020, 06:51:26 PM
This was one of the first episodes I remember watching as a child, from my memory, the dot was definitely visible, but did not damage the display, and was gone the next playing.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on April 20, 2020, 09:20:39 PM
I want to say it was still visible on the next playing before they managed to get it cleaned off.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on April 20, 2020, 11:07:39 PM
I want to say it was still visible on the next playing before they managed to get it cleaned off.

According to tpirstats.com the next playing was 10/24/97. That episode is on YouTube (10/6/97, the date of the playing in question, is not, btw). I just watched the Check Game segment, and there does not seem to be any mark or dot on the display, though that may be due to the poor tape quality.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: temptation1979ga on April 21, 2020, 10:50:08 PM
Years ago I read the story of Todd's Dot. As the story goes a contestant named Todd was playing Check Game and like many other contestants was confused on how to play. Supposedly he tried to write on one of the displays and punctured a small hole in it, leaving a tiny mark known as Todd's Dot which remained on the game for many years afterwards. My question is, did this really happen or was it an urban legend? If it is true does anyone know the airdate?

Ok, I couldn’t figure out how to post pics here, so hopefully this link will work:

https://postimg.cc/gallery/yR5vrr0

And I’m trying to find the playing where Bob mentions Timothy’s dot again. I remember he calls it “Tim’s spot” on that episode, and if my memory isn’t failing me, he says they replaced “the entire cover” for that top display.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: TPIRfan#9821 on April 21, 2020, 10:52:07 PM
Hopefully these links work...

(https://i.postimg.cc/289xxdY6/240-EE454-E9-CC-419-C-B0-A4-7-D68-B596-CAB0.jpg)
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FTFY
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: temptation1979ga on April 21, 2020, 10:56:41 PM
Thank you for fixing that.  :-)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: temptation1979ga on April 21, 2020, 11:25:16 PM
Sorry for posting separately, but it was too late to edit. It’s not until the December 3 episode where Bob mentions the Timothy’s dot incident again. He asks the audience if anyone saw the episode where that happened, then he says “I told Tim it would be preserved forever, but evidently they’ve either put a new cover on or they’ve washed it.”

Like Steve mentioned, I could have sworn it was visible on at least one subsequent playing, but I checked all of them and I couldn’t see it on good quality videos.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on April 22, 2020, 12:24:28 AM
Not sure how to word this, but here goes... the price tags used in Double Prices, Most Expensive, 1 Right Price, etc...  I know that when the show started in '72, those tags looked as though the numbers and the dollar signs were stuck onto the surface of the tag (almost like putting magnets on a refrigerator door, is about the best way I can describe it). At some later date (I'm assuming late 80s or early 90s), that changed to the text being printed directly onto the tag itself. Do we know when that element changed?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpiradam on April 26, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
What was the reason for the absence of General Motors vehicles from the show for most of 1993 to around 1995? Was it a similar reason to why they no longer offered foreign automobiles after 1992?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on May 05, 2020, 01:12:05 PM
How many times (if it’s ever happened) has Plinko ever ended up being a complete loss, meaning the contestant gets all four prizes wrong, doesn’t win a single extra chip, and the one chip they are given lands on zero? I gotta think it’s happened at least once, right?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on May 05, 2020, 01:54:30 PM
I gotta think it’s happened at least once, right?
I know for a fact it's happened at least once with Drew.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Torgo on May 05, 2020, 02:05:52 PM
I know for a fact it's happened at least once with Drew.

I know for a fact it's happened at least twice with Drew. Jefferying might have happened twice in the same sesson.

Wayo had clips of both at one point.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 05, 2020, 02:13:44 PM
First one was in Season 37 (EDIT: Season 38--misremembered), and the setup was absolutely brutal. All four SPs had an obvious "right" looking answer that turned out to be wrong. This playing should be studied in textbooks as how NOT to set up Plinko.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdeLXyolaLc

The second one, in Season 39, was still heartbreaking, but at least the setups were a little more fair. Still clearly a budget mode setup, but not obviously intended to be a wipeout.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0YoabsrDvQ
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GameShowFan9001 on May 05, 2020, 05:01:41 PM
How is the so-called "flimsy paper" placed over the holes in Punch a Bunch?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on May 05, 2020, 10:47:47 PM
How is the so-called "flimsy paper" placed over the holes in Punch a Bunch?

The coverings are circles, a little larger than the holes. Each hole is a tube, similar to a big PVC pipe (or maybe each one actually is a modified piece of PVC pipe, I'm not sure), snugly fit inside its own "track." The tube can be pulled all the way out from the back of the board. Once the tube is out, a covering is placed over the front end. Then the tube and covering are pushed back in. The "track" holds the covering in place, allowing it to be punctured without going anywhere.

It's something of an inexact science to center the covering over the end of the tube and then slide it in so the dollar sign is perfectly vertical, which is why the dollar signs aren't completely uniform on the board.

Here's a picture from when the board received special coverings for a 2008 prime time special. You can see a bunch of open holes from where the daytime coverings were removed. On the ground, you can see the shape the round coverings take after they've been scrunched into place.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on May 06, 2020, 01:51:53 AM
Approximately how many times was the Do-It-Yourself showcase format used during the '70s>
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on May 12, 2020, 01:31:47 PM
I may be off the mark here, but I often sense there’s a fair bit of disdain on this forum for trips being offered as prizes. Is there a reason why people here hate the trips so much?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on May 12, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
I don't think it's the trips themselves that's the issue for people, it's how many are offered each episode. Playing more than one pricing game for a trip is excessive, let alone that plus a trip in one even both Showcases.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on May 12, 2020, 10:31:49 PM
I guess I could see that, my issue with the trips is that they’re kind of hit and miss. Some of the trips to out of the way places like many of the Asian countries aren’t really that appealing to me, and a trip to go skiing or spend a week in some remote location in New England sounds like hell to me. They aren’t all awful, but I would bet the trips are probably the prizes most frequently rejected by the winners either due to an inability to get away from work or life, or a total lack of interest in the destination.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Plinkoman on May 12, 2020, 10:41:56 PM
Is there a reason why people here hate the trips so much?

They have a lot of expenses. If you win a trip to somewhere outside of the US, you have to have a passport. Tax on the whole trip must be paid, plus you have to have time off work to take the trip, travelling from your airport of choice to your destination (from Augusta to Hong Kong is at least 24 total hours, including flight time and layovers), and you have to have extra money for spending (my trip to Hong Kong had daily breakfast, but lunch and dinner had to be paid by me). A lot of the excursions offered in the trips are given as cash value (my half-day guided sightseeing tour), so that does help a bit with the taxes.

Oh, and you can sell or gift a trip. I was hoping to win something I could sell (not a trip), a car (I'm a hospice nurse who visits patients in their homes- travelling is essential for me), or something that would be useful to use around the house (not a trip).

I'm sure there are many people who would've loved to have taken that trip to Hong Kong; but, unfortunately, I wasn't one of them. HOWEVER, I did win my pricing game and, for me, that's all that really mattered!  :-)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: LiteBulb88 on May 12, 2020, 11:17:27 PM
Oh, and you can sell or gift a trip.

I think you mean you can NOT sell or gift a trip. As you know, if a contestant wins a trip, they must be one of the people who takes that trip if they don't turn it down.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Ton80 on May 12, 2020, 11:23:06 PM
Quote from: Plinkoman
Oh, and you can sell or gift a trip.
You mean you CAN'T sell or gift a trip, I think. 

The thing about trips is this:  on the surface, I would be excited to win a trip to somewhere nice!  What an opportunity I wouldn't otherwise have....

...until I actually start to think about and plan the logistics of it. 

Plinkoman is absolutely right (and he would know better than any of us!)  A "free" trip isn't free by any means, unless you're fortunate enough to be retired and can afford all the fees, taxes, and spending money. 

Make no mistake, if I won a trip somewhere, I would do anything in my power to take that trip and enjoy the experience.  Realistically though, my life, work schedule, and financial situation would me it difficult, if not impossible, to take that dream trip - even if it were "free".
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Plinkoman on May 13, 2020, 04:19:03 PM
Yes, I forgot the word 'not.' If I had been able to sell or gift it, I would have.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Spmahn on May 15, 2020, 12:39:45 PM
Does the show have a procedure in place for an instance where an elderly person or someone with mobility issues gets on stage and the next pricing game is something like Race Game or Bonkers? Would they be forced to switch games on the fly, or do they have other accommodations that could be made?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 15, 2020, 01:03:23 PM
In days past it was “play Bonkers & Race Game early, and save any elderly contestants from being called down until after they’re played”.

There’s an anecdote from Stan’s book (Stan Blits is the contestant coordinator who interviews people in line) where he was impressed by an elderly woman in line, and he picked her to Come on Down. During the show, she came on down, made it to the row, and Stan looked at his clipboard to see what was next. In a panic he realized he slipped up—the next game was Bonkers. Their only options at that point were to either pray she didn’t win her IUFB, or to stop tape for 30 minutes and swap out Bonkers for something more suitable. (Lucky for Stan, she didn’t win that IUFB.)

But Bonkers and Race Game tends to frequently played 4th-6th these days, so who knows what they do now—although I certainly hope the answer is not “don’t pick any elderly contestants on days when those games are played”, I can’t recall any in recent memory.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on May 15, 2020, 05:14:41 PM
One day when I was there, Stan interviewed an audience member who was deaf who he wanted to choose as a contestant. As it happened, Clock Game was scheduled to be the sixth game in that episode (and it would put a contestant at a disadvantage if they tried to play Clock Game through an interpreter). The deaf audience member was seventh on the contestant list, and we moved Clock Game to be third and the third pricing game to be sixth.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Alfonzo on May 15, 2020, 06:06:02 PM
I recall a playing of Race Game in which a pregnant woman was a contestant. Bob offered to let Janice play in her place but the lady insisted on playing herself, and she did.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on May 17, 2020, 03:58:00 PM
Is the Bonus Game bonus randomly placed, or could they put it behind a hard product to guess (if in budget mode) or an easy product to guess (if they want a win)?

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 17, 2020, 04:20:57 PM
Is the Bonus Game bonus randomly placed, or could they put it behind a hard product to guess (if in budget mode) or an easy product to guess (if they want a win)?

Non-random. You are correct, they can engineer wins or losses that way.

You can also engineer it so it looks like the contestant has a 3/4 shot of winning but it was a heartbreaking loss, or that they beat the odds and won with only one window, but in reality it isn’t so. The producers know beforehand 3 which SPs are totally irrelevant.

For most games, if something “random” is not obviously randomly generated onstage (Plinko chips dropping, 3 Strikes draws, etc), it’s probably not random and placed with a purpose. Placement of Punch a Bunch prize slips, Spelling Bee & Pass the Buck cards, etc. are all intentional.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Counterpoint on May 17, 2020, 06:03:25 PM
Non-random. You are correct, they can engineer wins or losses that way.

You can also engineer it so it looks like the contestant has a 3/4 shot of winning but it was a heartbreaking loss, or that they beat the odds and won with only one window, but in reality it isn’t so. The producers know beforehand 3 which SPs are totally irrelevant.

For most games, if something “random” is not obviously randomly generated onstage (Plinko chips dropping, 3 Strikes draws, etc), it’s probably not random and placed with a purpose. Placement of Punch a Bunch prize slips, Spelling Bee & Pass the Buck cards, etc. are all intentional.
Fascinating!  And thank you!  What are the places they think you're least likely to punch/pick?  The corners? (for future reference, so I can win the $25,000/car) :) 
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Casey on May 17, 2020, 06:08:58 PM
I recall a playing of Race Game in which a pregnant woman was a contestant. Bob offered to let Janice play in her place but the lady insisted on playing herself, and she did.
By sheer coincidence, I watched this very episode yesterday on the YouTube.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 17, 2020, 06:32:32 PM
Fascinating!  And thank you!  What are the places they think you're least likely to punch/pick?  The corners? (for future reference, so I can win the $25,000/car) :)

Nine and seven years ago (that long, wow) TPIRighteous did a pair of (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,18410.msg318935.html#msg318935) analysis threads tracking each spot. (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,22349.msg395597.html#msg395597) We can only track the spots that get punched, obviously, but the spots most likely to be punched are the corners & the upper-middle part of the board. Least likely are the bottom row.

I’ve always suspected they like to hide the big money in the bottom row, for the same reason grocery stores put the name-brand items at eye level and the cheaper generics at the bottom row.

My personal recommendation would be to try one punch in the top right corner (in case it’s an easy setup) and the others somewhere on the bottom row (in case it isn’t).
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on May 17, 2020, 11:32:28 PM
By sheer coincidence, I watched this very episode yesterday on the YouTube.

what episode is that?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on May 20, 2020, 03:43:22 PM
what episode is that?

I was wondering the same lol. I wanted to see it myself when I saw Alfonzo mention it before.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on May 20, 2020, 08:03:52 PM
Just to update, per the FAQ, the episode in question featuring the pregnant woman (named Michelle) is the December 20, 1984 episode for anyone wanting to go back and watch it themselves too.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: newesttpirfan on May 20, 2020, 10:11:29 PM
Question about the models - what's the most amount of models they've ever had signed on at once? Not on a specific episode but in general.

Is it true that they had 10 models signed on the show at once? That seems like alot.

Rachel, gwen, lanisha, tamiko, phire, brandy, gabby, Shane, amber, manuela. I've seen them all in episodes in late 2008. 10 models at once being on rotation seems way too much.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: PookieNumNum on May 21, 2020, 01:37:20 PM
I have a question.  Why are the moderators on this site *such wonderful people?*

Ah, gee, thanks for the compliment. You shouldn't have.

...no, really. You shouldn't have. I see the actually-present mod staff has already taken care of your account, but I don't want that language anywhere near me. Bye. -Army
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpir04 on May 21, 2020, 02:06:32 PM
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Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on May 24, 2020, 05:32:29 AM
Has there been any instance (on half-hour shows) that all three players tied in winnings? If so, how will they determine the top winner and runner-up for the showcase?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: tpirguyMN on May 24, 2020, 11:42:21 AM
I don't know if it has ever happened, but I would assume they would just do a coin flip?  That is already what they do to determine who spins the wheel first between contestants who have won the same amount.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: GR_Man_9009 on May 24, 2020, 12:01:00 PM
I don't know if it has ever happened, but I would assume they would just do a coin flip?  That is already what they do to determine who spins the wheel first between contestants who have won the same amount.
A coin has two sides and there's three people. That doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on May 24, 2020, 12:04:12 PM
With the difference in prize values I doubt there was ever a tie between all three contestants. Even if none won a pricing game the Item Up for Bids prizes all had difference values. Ties between two contestants happen once a season if even that frequently.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 24, 2020, 12:12:02 PM
A coin has two sides and there's three people. That doesn't make sense.

Easy, just flip twice

Heads then Heads: Player A
Heads then Tails: Player B
Tails then Heads: Player C
Tails then Tails: Flip two more times

But I would be ridiculously surprised if that ever happened (and if it did, whoever set up the prizes so a three-way tie was possible ought to get in big trouble)

Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on May 24, 2020, 11:47:47 PM
The answer to how they would break a three-way tie is of course "randomly," although the event is so unlikely, I'm sure the specific randomization method has never been decided upon. If it had happened while I was there, I would have proposed using the 1, 2, and 3 chips from Three Strikes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Punchboard91 on May 25, 2020, 01:49:30 AM
I’ve wondered why they wouldn’t just switch the methods used between the Showdown and the showcases - they draw numbers out of a hat during the showcases, why not do that for the Showdown where you might have 3, and leave the coin flip for the showcases where there are only two.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: gamesurf on May 25, 2020, 03:19:39 AM
Now I’m imagining some poor intern mixing them up and getting yelled at backstage

“NO YOU CANT FLIP A COIN TO BREAK TIES IN THE SHOWCASES, THAT’S NOT THE PROTOCOL, NOW PUT IT AWAY AND GO FIND A HAT”
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on May 26, 2020, 12:31:32 AM
The answer to how they would break a three-way tie is of course "randomly," although the event is so unlikely, I'm sure the specific randomization method has never been decided upon. If it had happened while I was there, I would have proposed using the 1, 2, and 3 chips from Three Strikes.

I was thinking, they'd go by who won their games, in cases where 2 people did anyway. That'd make more sense to me. If only 1, or 0 did (if all 3 did they'd not have a tie I'd surmise).....then would need to go to another method though.
Title: It's Optional QuestionS
Post by: JhayPrice on May 27, 2020, 01:04:15 AM
a. In It's Optional, is it true that there are a maximum of 3 choices for 8 options, 4 choices for 9 options, and 5 choices for 10 options?

b. What car model did they use for the 2 cars on the scale on the boards?

Merged into the general questions thread. Not everything needs a new topic. Slightly reworded the question with the relocation of the post so it makes sense.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: Plinkoman on May 28, 2020, 11:16:51 PM
Has Roger ever stated why Pick-a-Number was played so infrequently during season 27-35? I've always wondered why it was a rarity during these years, especially since it's a very common game nowadays.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on May 29, 2020, 01:12:17 AM
In fact, Pick-A-Number was played just 2 times on seasons 27 and 28, 3 on season 29, 4 on season 30, 5 on seasons 31 to 33 , 8 on season 34, and 7 on Bob's final season. Maybe it was just because they focus on the newer games on that era? I've never heard any comments from The Dob about that.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on May 30, 2020, 09:33:11 PM
I recall Roger in a Q&A he did for the site years ago saying that Pick a Number was played less than other 1-prize games because it took longer to play, and because it was used as a replacement for other games when there was an issue and it couldn't be played.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on June 02, 2020, 08:38:17 AM
When in season 6 did the perfect bid bonus debuted?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 08, 2020, 01:32:06 AM
I recall Roger in a Q&A he did for the site years ago saying that Pick a Number was played less than other 1-prize games because it took longer to play, and because it was used as a replacement for other games when there was an issue and it couldn't be played.

Pick a Number took longer to play? I really can't believe that.....how much time can a game like that eat up vs say Double Prices?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 08, 2020, 02:37:39 PM
Roger didn't even like Pick-a-Number.  I'm pretty sure the reason he didn't play it very often was just, really, why play Pick-a-Number when you could play anything else?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: MSTieScott on June 08, 2020, 11:01:01 PM
Timings sometimes changed over the years, so I'm not 100% positive about this, but I'm pretty sure that in Roger's timings, Pick a Number was the same length as Coming or Going, Flip Flop, Side by Side, and Squeeze Play. And all of those are more fun to watch than Pick a Number.

Double Prices stands alone as the shortest-timed game.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JayC on June 09, 2020, 10:56:34 PM
So either I misremembered him saying the game taking longer to play was the reason, or he did say that just to give a reason other than "because I don't like it."
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: mellongraig on June 10, 2020, 01:39:28 PM
When in season 6 did the perfect bid bonus debuted?

Actually that debuted in Season 5, by May 23, 1977 it was in place, however the exact date may be uncertain due to some episodes having fur coats in them.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: DylanBe on June 14, 2020, 04:28:10 PM
I apologize if I sound really stupid saying this, but what exactly does FFBC stand for? I know it's used for people who stay in "Contestant's Row" the entire show, but I could never figure out what exactly it stood for.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 14, 2020, 04:35:04 PM
I apologize if I sound really stupid saying this, but what exactly does FFBC stand for? I know it's used for people who stay in "Contestant's Row" the entire show, but I could never figure out what exactly it stood for.

First Four Breakfast Club.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: COINBOYNYC on June 15, 2020, 04:18:25 AM
What's the significance of the "Breakfast Club" part of that?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on June 15, 2020, 05:05:56 AM
What's the significance of the "Breakfast Club" part of that?
Probably the fact that the show airs in the morning, when most people are having breakfast.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 15, 2020, 07:21:19 AM
Just thinking of this watching a clip of a DSW win from the late 70's/early 80's....is it possible to know or at least have a rough estimate of how many DSW's the show has had in its' entire history? Or for that matter, how many DOB's? Might be a long shot to figure out, but was curious to ask.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 15, 2020, 02:58:42 PM
What's the significance of the "Breakfast Club" part of that?

Honestly, I always chalked it up to Capitano doing something weird.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: actual_retail_tice on June 15, 2020, 04:17:58 PM
I always thought the "Breakfast Club" was a reference to the 80s movie of the same name about four kids in weekend detention. I assume Capitano was envisioning the remaining contestants from the opening calldown being sent off to serve punishment for bad bidding.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 15, 2020, 04:23:45 PM
I always thought the "Breakfast Club" is a reference to the 80s movie of the same name about four kids in weekend detention. I assume Capitano was envisioning the remaining contestants from the opening calldown being sent off to serve punishment for bad bidding.

That crossed my mind too thinking about this. It certainly makes sense.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 15, 2020, 04:30:20 PM
Here's an interesting question, and apologies if it was discussed before, as I feel it maybe it mighta been. Was there ever a thought to keeping the original Season 31 logo and set (which was only used on the premiere, and was a de-facto replacement for the Season 30 one), vs. going to the completely redone one they used from that Season up through Season 34 (albeit if using two different turntable designs in that span of time)? Or was that always the plan to redo everything?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 15, 2020, 06:11:18 PM
That's an interesting question.  The set redo was Syd's idea, not the show's, so I guess the real question is whether they would have kept the anniversary logo, gone back to something like the 25-29 design, or just gone back to the plain doors.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 15, 2020, 07:21:02 PM
That's an interesting question.  The set redo was Syd's idea, not the show's, so I guess the real question is whether they would have kept the anniversary logo, gone back to something like the 25-29 design, or just gone back to the plain doors.

If I had to guess.....given they went to the length they did of having the modified Season 30 logo on the doors for the Premiere, I'd guess they woulda kept that logo. But that could be wrong. I presume the ill-fated Hollywood Turntable was Syd's idea too then? Wonder if he woulda fought the idea of a return to the classic look (albeit with pink and blue colors vs. orange and purple).

Also while we are on this....what woulda been the rationale in keeping the 25th anniversary logo through 29 vs. replacing it after a year? Just made more sense to keep them vs. revert back? It's interesting too, they had done the same thing in 26 they did at start of 31, in terms of replacing the year on them.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 20, 2020, 02:45:45 PM
Before Bob/the show began taping 175 episode seasons in his later years, in the era of summer reruns (aka Season 4 onward), what woulda been the longest season they did? And conversely what woulda been the shortest?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: blozier2006 on June 20, 2020, 03:01:57 PM
Before Bob/the show began taping 175 episode seasons in his later years, in the era of summer reruns (aka Season 4 onward), what woulda been the longest season they did? And conversely what woulda been the shortest?
And to piggyback onto that, when did "175 a year" become the standard?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 20, 2020, 08:09:56 PM
Before Bob/the show began taping 175 episode seasons in his later years, in the era of summer reruns (aka Season 4 onward), what woulda been the longest season they did? And conversely what woulda been the shortest?

Season 6 had 228 episodes, one fewer than Season 2, the shortest half-hour season.

The first season to end at 175 episodes instead of on some seemingly predetermined Friday was 27; it's also the first year they took weeks off in March and April, which I'm guessing isn't a coincidence.  Oddly, neither 28 nor 29 would have that many shows, which is a tale in its own right.  As far as I've been able to make out, 28 was cut to 155 shows because Bob's surgery in 1999 caused several weeks of taping to be cancelled (they did, in fact, have four extra weeks of reruns that winter), but then, for reasons I've never really understood, the first two weeks of shows produced as part of Season 29 were redesignated as the last two weeks of 28, bringing the count to 165.  That would have also cut 29 down to 165, but one of the episodes had to be scrapped and redone because of a production error that nobody caught, which also came out of 29's episode count even though it was considered part of 28.  So Season 28 has 165 shows, and Season 29 has 164.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 20, 2020, 08:55:32 PM
Season 6 had 228 episodes, one fewer than Season 2, the shortest half-hour season.

The first season to end at 175 episodes instead of on some seemingly predetermined Friday was 27; it's also the first year they took weeks off in March and April, which I'm guessing isn't a coincidence.  Oddly, neither 28 nor 29 would have that many shows, which is a tale in its own right.  As far as I've been able to make out, 28 was cut to 155 shows because Bob's surgery in 1999 caused several weeks of taping to be cancelled (they did, in fact, have four extra weeks of reruns that winter), but then, for reasons I've never really understood, the first two weeks of shows produced as part of Season 29 were redesignated as the last two weeks of 28, bringing the count to 165.  That would have also cut 29 down to 165, but one of the episodes had to be scrapped and redone because of a production error that nobody caught, which also came out of 29's episode count even though it was considered part of 28.  So Season 28 has 165 shows, and Season 29 has 164.

My guess on that is that they wanted to even out the counts for those 2 seasons. That's likely the reason I suspect, or just to make up for some of the shows lost due to Bob's surgery. Either way it woulda had the same effect.

And interesting, they were doing 200+ shows a year still even after summer reruns started? I wouldn't have thought that. When would that have stopped? Also, in regards to shortest seasons pre 175, I was referring to post-rerun era onward, I imagine it'd be somewhere in at least the mid to late 90's, aka just before that became a thing, if not earlier. Could imagine many might would tie for least actually in fact. It woulda eventually become 195 as a standard much as it is now, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 21, 2020, 03:56:10 AM
Also, in regards to shortest seasons pre 175, I was referring to post-rerun era onward

Sorry -- I completely missed that question earlier.  Seasons 18 and 21 both lasted 177 episodes.

It woulda eventually become 195 as a standard much as it is now, wouldn't it?

The current standard is actually 190.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 28, 2020, 12:05:11 AM
Does anyone have a date where the show introduced the higher pitched theme, from its' lower counterpart, or a general timeframe? I am thinking it was somewhere before Season 12, but hard to say with clarity even watching back a few openings from near the end of Season 11.

Also....on # of shows per year.....when would 190 a year have become the general standard, pre-175? I'd assume it woulda been somewhere early into the reruns era, but....that could be wrong.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 28, 2020, 03:07:52 AM
when would 190 a year have become the general standard, pre-175?

Never.  Before Season 27, they just seemed to do as many shows as possible up to a seemingly random Friday in June.  In fact, there are no Barker seasons that have exactly 190 episodes.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 28, 2020, 01:16:35 PM
Never.  Before Season 27, they just seemed to do as many shows as possible up to a seemingly random Friday in June.  In fact, there are no Barker seasons that have exactly 190 episodes.

Interesting..did many top 200 or get near it up to then? I know you said Season 6 had 228.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: SteveGavazzi on June 28, 2020, 06:33:58 PM
I might as well just post the whole list:

Season 1:    254 – 254
Season 2:    229 – 483
Season 3:    253 – 736
Season 4:    214 – 950
Season 5:    213 – 1,163
Season 6:    228 – 1,391
Season 7:    209 – 1,600
Season 8:    191 – 1,791
Season 9:    205 – 1,996
Season 10:  196 – 2,192
Season 11:  208 – 2,400
Season 12:  197 – 2,597
Season 13:  195 – 2,792
Season 14:  186 – 2,978
Season 15:  191 – 3,169
Season 16:  186 – 3,355
Season 17:  184 – 3,539
Season 18:  177 – 3,716
Season 19:  186 – 3,902
Season 20:  178 – 4,080
Season 21:  177 – 4,257
Season 22:  185 – 4,442
Season 23:  183 – 4,625
Season 24:  183 – 4,808
Season 25:  185 – 4,993
Season 26:  184 – 5,177
Season 27:  175 – 5,352
Season 28:  165 – 5,517
Season 29:  164 – 5,681
Season 30:  175 – 5,856
Season 31:  175 – 6,031
Season 32:  175 – 6,206
Season 33:  175 – 6,381
Season 34:  175 – 6,556
Season 35:  175 – 6,731
Season 36:  190 – 6,921
Season 37:  191 – 7,112
Season 38:  190 – 7,302
Season 39:  190 – 7,492
Season 40:  191 – 7,683
Season 41:  189 – 7,872
Season 42:  190 – 8,062
Season 43:  190 – 8,252
Season 44:  190 – 8,442
Season 45:  190 – 8,632
Season 46:  190 – 8,822
Season 47:  190 – 9,012
Season 48:  164 – 9,176
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on June 30, 2020, 04:04:29 AM
I guess it's around the first quarter of 2012, but when did the show changed their trip displays from the various font styles to the current standard trip display like this?

(https://i.postimg.cc/tRdMKSw9/Screenshot-20200630-153614.jpg)
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: pricefan18 on June 30, 2020, 04:58:58 AM
I guess it's around the first quarter of 2012, but when did the show changed their trip displays from the various font styles to the current standard trip display like this?

(https://i.postimg.cc/tRdMKSw9/Screenshot-20200630-153614.jpg)

Are you meaning the screens in general, or just the fonts?

I think it was even before that if the former......they had in Season 38 or Drew's second season, green screens for Trips, and either that season eventually or the one after when they brought the new set in that had many more electronic elements to it than the ones before it, they brought those in. It wasn't long after the green screens that I know.
Title: Re: Simple Questions & Answers Thread
Post by: JhayPrice on June 30, 2020, 08:14:36 AM
Just the fonts on the displays.