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Title: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 14, 2020, 10:53:33 PM
I've been watching some mid-70s to 1990s episodes of Price lately. I've realized that if some retired games were broughy back, they'd be a nice fit on Drew's era.

Drew "not being a golfer" can have fun with Superball!! Although this should be a car game now, due to the game's difficulty.

Another one is Hurdles. I'd like to see Drew fire that pistol without blowing someone's ear.  :lol:

What other retired games do you think fit with the atmosphere of today's show?
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: SuperMatch93 on May 14, 2020, 11:11:09 PM
The different stunts in On the Nose would be fun to see, especially if some of the models demonstrated.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JayC on May 14, 2020, 11:12:44 PM
Superball would have to be changed so it took less time to play, but I agree Drew would like it since he likes bowling.

Penny Ante could be brought back if they made the board and price displays digital.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: tpir04 on May 14, 2020, 11:17:28 PM
A pistol on TV? That's a HUGE longshot.

Let's see, with the rise of online gambling sites and gaming apps Poker Game might be able to make a return. It's straightforward enough, though if necessary a table showing hand rankings could come in handy. Same I suppose for Hit Me, though that might be a tad too complicated.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: SteveGavazzi on May 14, 2020, 11:41:43 PM
Same I suppose for Hit Me, though that might be a tad too complicated.

I don't dislike Hit Me, but you really can't understate how convoluted it can get.  It has the longest rulesheet of any pricing game, and it still doesn't cover every situation that can come up.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 14, 2020, 11:42:21 PM
Penny Ante could be brought back if they made the board and price displays digital.
Penny Ante is a great easy game to play, and I hope it returns sometime in the rotation. I'm missing those big ol' pennies.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Plinkoman on May 15, 2020, 12:41:45 AM
Bump would work very well with the show today. Penny Ante would also be good, as it's a quickie GP game. Walk of Fame could work with an automatic second chance on the first mistake (I'm trying to think of good games with the time constraints the show faces today). Credit Card may work with the old rules, or even as a 4-prize game (avoid the most expensive prize, the opposite of Shopping Spree).

I can also see Give or Keep/Finish Line and/or Hurdles coming back. Poker Game would work well, and I can't see why they can't play it with 4-digit prizes. I think Drew would do very well at hosting it, as he has a history with poker. I think Drew is a good enough host that if they brought back Buy or Sell and/or Make Your Mark that Drew would host them well and without difficulty.

I could possibly see a 4-card version of Joker coming back. They could also re-work Shower Game to make it seem a bit less goofy.

Heck, if they can bring back a crappy game like Time Is Money, I have faith that the production team could rework better retired games into the show now.

On an interesting note, back when the show had a blog on their website, I asked Fingers what two retired games does she miss the most. Her response: Hurdles and It's Optional. Considering car options are playing a bigger part in changing the prices of cars, I could possibly see this one making a comeback in this day and age.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 15, 2020, 01:02:30 AM
As much as I like a lot of retired games—and as much as I’d like to see Drew host them—most of them had a good reason as to why they were retired.

So I would like to see some old favorites return—but each one has a big “but” next to it.

Penny Ante, but only if it they can recreate an awesome set that’s at least as memorable as the original.

Super Ball, but only if they can figure out how to streamline it and bring its timing down.

Hurdles, but only if the set has a little hurdler physically jumping over the hurdles. No video wall half-measures.

If I had to pick one not yet mentioned, Super Saver. The presentation was cool, the gameplay was unique, and it was retired for a silly reason.

Let's see, with the rise of online gambling sites and gaming apps Poker Game might be able to make a return. It's straightforward enough, though if necessary a table showing hand rankings could come in handy. Same I suppose for Hit Me, though that might be a tad too complicated.

I’ve got my own crazy views (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,966.msg466207.html#msg466207) about not missing Poker Game or Hit Me that much, but I’d not be opposed to them getting reworked a la Balance Game/Time is Money.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: bonkers77 on May 15, 2020, 01:52:01 AM
The Phone Home Game
Super Ball!!
Hit Me
Poker Game
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Josh444 on May 15, 2020, 02:13:35 AM
There were plenty of fun games that are no longer with us. I’ve always had some ideas to modify them/bring them back.

Penny Ante: Of course. It should have never been retired in the first place. Instead of flaps, give it digital readouts!

Bump: Who cares about a little twist of the hip! It was a fun game. My idea: instead of buses, theme it after a carnival (bumper cars).

Hurdles: Hurdley Guy deserves his moment to shine. I’m sure they could make something that would work nowadays.

Super Ball!!!: Cash game or bust. It’s way too high stakes to be a regular multi-prizer.

Split Decision: Touch screens instead of movable numbers. Have them reset automatically after each try.

Make Your Mark: Three prizes, fourth number is a cash bonus. No more $500 in cash.

Credit Card: I would revamp the concept. Have two “pairs” of prizes, each with a model. Contestant must purchase the pair that won’t exceed their credit limit.

Buy or Sell: Three prizes with an incorrect total value shown. Instead of going down the line, the contestant must decide if they want to “buy” if the actual total is lower, or “sell” If the actual total is higher.

Joker: If they really jazzed it up, played it center stage with “new Card Sharks” like reveal, it could be a better game. Perfect pricing nets the player an extra $500.

Give or Keep: Great pricing concept. Just could have a better set.

Step Up: I liked how rarely it was played.

The rest can stay retired.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: rowlande on May 15, 2020, 09:53:03 AM
Do you think Super Saver could work today
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 15, 2020, 10:17:04 AM
Do you think Super Saver could work today
It would, actually. To say the least, it can still be won in sone cases you've picked the price marked higher than the MSRP of the product, so people can win this in today's era...
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 15, 2020, 10:25:29 AM
I have an opinion with Shower Game. Why not add a grocery product pricing portion to earn choices of the showers. Plus change the confetti's rules from being able to choose another stall to being "nothing".

With Add 'Em Up, I picture it as an Any Number-type game. For instance they'll give the contestant the first number. And then Drew will explain that the remaining four numbers are from 0-9, possibly another 1, if in the case 1 is also the first number, then the same 4-digit playing rule applies.

Also, bring back Credit Card! I just love the FREE SAMPLES on the machine.  :oldlol:
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Torgo on May 15, 2020, 11:08:07 AM
Gallery Game with a touch screen and stylus or bust.

Retired, quick, spruced up, sates the needs of fans that can't leave the past behind. Perfect.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Alfonzo on May 15, 2020, 11:34:38 AM
Do you think Super Saver could work today

Why wouldn't it work? The game was not hurt by inflation, just Bob being mad that a contestant got a technical win because of an error he made.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Casey on May 15, 2020, 12:35:59 PM
On an interesting note, back when the show had a blog on their website, I asked Fingers what two retired games does she miss the most. Her response: Hurdles and It's Optional. Considering car options are playing a bigger part in changing the prices of cars, I could possibly see this one making a comeback in this day and age.
The problem with It’s Optional is that back when it was played, very few cars were offered with “preferred equipment packages” or “option packages” these days compared to back in the 70s and 80s.  It was much easier back then to take a base car, add 4 or 5 options to it, and influence the price by within $1000 or so.  I mean I had an old car in college (1981 AMC Concord) that I bought used in 1996 and it had the “radio delete option”.  You could get a car with power locks and manual windows, or vice versa if you ordered them that way.  Side note: I did buy a new car in 2003 that had power door locks and manual windows - it was the base model and came that way...

The last 2 cars I bought, I ordered from the factory in both cases.  In each case, the options consisted of “technology package” or “luxury package” or “trailer towing package” - not individual options.  Each of those alone are more than the difference between individual options back in the day...
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 15, 2020, 01:43:46 PM
Why wouldn't it work? The game was not hurt by inflation, just Bob being mad that a contestant got a technical win because of an error he made.

It was hurt a little by inflation, but it would be an easy fix—just make the goal to save $2.00 or $3.00 instead of $1.00, and adjust the fake prices accordingly.

Definitely not a serious concern.

Penny Ante: Of course. It should have never been retired in the first place. Instead of flaps, give it digital readouts!

The “flaps malfunction too much” thing was a lame excuse, anyways.

Digital, physical, whatever. I want a set that lets them show off inventive camerawork. No other game was shot like Penny Ante.

Physical reveals are cooler, IMO, but I’m flexible just as long as the set is cool and the presentation is top notch. Penny Ante at its core was a boring, simple game—but the presentation made it unforgettable.

If we’re trying to get excited over a big generic monitor, OTOH, I’m not interested.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Plinkoman on May 15, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Penny Ante would probably still be around, except it was retired and the prop was left by a dumpster. The producers had a staff meeting and decided to have the game fixed so the flippers wouldn't reveal another choice by accident. Unfortunately, the game was left by a dumpster outside and it was rained on, and the set was damaged beyond repair. I think they could easily rebuild the prop and have it be used in the lineup today. It's a simple game, a GP-quickie that would cut down on a lot of Vend-o-Price playings, and it really did have one of the coolest sets and sound effects on the show.

As for Casey's It's Optional post about car options... about 15 years ago my grandfather won a truck at a raffle (yes, he actually WON a truck). It was an old company truck, a Ford F-150, that was as basic as they come. It didn't have power windows, power steering, the brakes were very sensitive, and it had a very old AM/FM radio. It was not the easiest thing to drive, but it worked and was free! It's interesting to see how several options are now basic features in cars. It's also nice to not have to crank those stupid windows anymore- that was a true workout!

BTW, that truck is still running.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: BillyGr on May 15, 2020, 09:09:05 PM
I don't dislike Hit Me, but you really can't understate how convoluted it can get.  It has the longest rulesheet of any pricing game, and it still doesn't cover every situation that can come up.

And, at least in later years it was a fairly simple game to win, if you understood a couple fairly simple math ideas.  One that anything times 10 ends in a zero (unlike an early playing I just found that had three items with that, any of which looked possible) and two that they often had an item as the right price where that wasn't easily divisible (like the $3.79 cleaning item in the same old episode).

Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: brosa0 on May 16, 2020, 09:20:34 AM
Many of the retired games could be reimagined to varying degrees to fit modern Price, as Time Is Money has shown.  There are three in particular that I'd most like to see vastly reimagined versions of, which are:

1. Professor Price - retooled as a small prize game for $15,000, with 'Professor Price' being played by a real human (usually one of the models, or perhaps occasionally a 'celebrity guest' where appropriate) wearing a professor's coat and glasses who has "set" the contestant "the ultimate pricing test".  I think Drew would have a lot of fun banter with whoever is playing the role Professor Price in the same way he does with the models in other games like Pocket Change and Grocery Game.   

For the gameplay portion, my idea is that there would be four small prizes.  The contestant goes through the first three small prizes, each of which is a 50/50 decision of different kinds (perhaps subtly based on various other pricing games to lean into the "ultimate pricing test" concept).  The professor then reveals how many of the three the contestant has correct, with the contestant earning $1000 if only one is correct, $2000 for two correct and $5000 for all three correct.   The professor then challenges them to the fourth small prize, which is a 'tripler'.  They can either bail with the amount they won from the first three small prizes, or choose to play the fourth small prize (which would be a 1-in-3 pricing decision) to triple the amount they have already won.

2.  On The Spot - a game that had a lot of potential but needed simplifying and better presentation before being allowed to appear on air.  I'd look at playing it with 5 items and two paths with two prices in each path.  If they get one right they move forward to the next spot in that path; if they get it wrong they move sideways to the other path for a second chance.  The path itself would be made up of larger circles that can be stood on and light up, similar to Pathfinder, with the stated aim to get "On The Spot" at the other end of the path to win the game.

3.  Give Or Keep - same gameplay with the small prizes, but with a "Tug of War" themed prop (and a new name to go with it).  The contestant's aim is to have the flag on their side at the end of the game.  If they choose the more expensive prize in a pair, the flag moves to their side an equal number of spaces to the difference.  If not, it moves to the opponent's side.  The game could also be setup so that if the contestant gets all three decisions right, the flag would move into an end zone on their side that would win them a $1000 bonus (which would help to keep the reveal interesting through to the end).
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 16, 2020, 10:14:06 AM
1. Professor Price - retooled as a small prize game for $15,000, with 'Professor Price' being played by a real human (usually one of the models, or perhaps occasionally a 'celebrity guest' where appropriate) wearing a professor's coat and glasses who has "set" the contestant "the ultimate pricing test".  I think Drew would have a lot of fun banter with whoever is playing the role Professor Price in the same way he does with the models in other games like Pocket Change and Grocery Game.   

For the gameplay portion, my idea is that there would be four small prizes.  The contestant goes through the first three small prizes, each of which is a 50/50 decision of different kinds (perhaps subtly based on various other pricing games to lean into the "ultimate pricing test" concept).  The professor then reveals how many of the three the contestant has correct, with the contestant earning $1000 if only one is correct, $2000 for two correct and $5000 for all three correct.   The professor then challenges them to the fourth small prize, which is a 'tripler'.  They can either bail with the amount they won from the first three small prizes, or choose to play the fourth small prize (which would be a 1-in-3 pricing decision) to triple the amount they have already won.
Great idea there Brosa! It's much easier, rather than having general knwoledge questions. Plus it would be fun if the "professor" would rotate with the models, George, or the staff members. Sorry but I do not like the concept of having guest stars.

Also with your vision on On The Spot, 3 spots still should be on each path, and your gameplay remains the same. The "moving sideways" and "illuminated spots" are indeed a nice touch to the game if it were to be refurbished.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JayC on May 16, 2020, 12:28:34 PM
Bump would work very well with the show today.
The element of the models bumping the prices the way they did would have to be adjusted, but yes it would be a game that could easily be brought back to add a quick 2 prize game.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: b_masters8 on May 16, 2020, 07:01:25 PM
Here's my stab at an explanation from Drew for Hit Me should it come back:

Drew: "We're playing a game called Hit Me. [Contestant name], cut these cards, if you would please-- (contestant cuts)-- thank you. George/Rachel/James/Devin/Manuela/Amber will take these cards over to the board, and will draw the top card, which will be the hole card for the house; (dealer) will then draw the next card, and that will be the up card for the house; house hits at 16 and below, and stays on 17 and above. Your job is to get 21, or get as close as you can to 21 without going over. We have 6 grocery items here, and you'll draw your cards from those grocery items. There is one item with a price multiplied by 10, from which you'll get a 10 or a picture card, and one with an exact price, where you'll get an ace (which you can turn into 11); get both of those, and you win the prize right off. All the others are multiplied by various other numbers. You pick a product, and we draw its card and put it on your side of the board. When you've made your hand, you stop, and we reveal the dealer's hand compared to yours. If the dealer gets 21/blackjack, you lose; if the dealer gets closer to 21 than you do, you lose; and if you bust, you lose. However, if you get 21/blackjack, you win; if you get closer to 21 than the dealer without busting, you win; if the dealer busts, you win; and if you tie, you win. So there are three ways to lose and four ways to win. George, tell us about the grocery items, please."
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 16, 2020, 08:09:58 PM

Drew: "We're playing a game called Hit Me. [Contestant name], cut these cards, if you would please-- (contestant cuts)-- thank you. George/Rachel/James/Devin/Manuela/Amber will take these cards over to the board, and will draw the top card, which will be the hole card for the house; (dealer) will then draw the next card, and that will be the up card for the house; house hits at 16 and below, and stays on 17 and above. Your job is to get 21, or get as close as you can to 21 without going over. We have 6 grocery items here, and you'll draw your cards from those grocery items. There is one item with a price multiplied by 10, from which you'll get a 10 or a picture card, and one with an exact price, where you'll get an ace (which you can turn into 11); get both of those, and you win the prize right off. All the others are multiplied by various other numbers. You pick a product, and we draw its card and put it on your side of the board. When you've made your hand, you stop, and we reveal the dealer's hand compared to yours. If the dealer gets 21/blackjack, you lose; if the dealer gets closer to 21 than you do, you lose; and if you bust, you lose. However, if you get 21/blackjack, you win; if you get closer to 21 than the dealer without busting, you win; if the dealer busts, you win; and if you tie, you win. So there are three ways to lose and four ways to win. George, tell us about the grocery items, please."

Wordcount: 272 words
Average speaking speed: 130 words per minute

(And it’s not even a bad explanation—this is a serious issue that comes hard-baked into the game)
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Plinkoman on May 16, 2020, 08:27:55 PM
Another one that I think may work well today, but I always seem to forget about it: Mystery Price. It has strategy and I think today's audience might do better with it than the audiences of the mid-70's did.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: 123123123 on May 16, 2020, 10:00:28 PM
Mystery Price could work today, but I might lower the SPs to 3 to shorten it a bit. Also, I'm not too sure the audience of today would do any better or worse than those of the past. As long as the concept of the game stays the same, the crowd shouldn't have a big effect. Plus, this audience started chanting $795 during Ten Chances earlier this season, they are not to be trusted.  :-D

With all the different games in this thread, I don't think the question should be if they would work because we know they could work because they have worked. Except for a select few (looking at you, Professor Price), all the games were probably tested and well thought out before any money or invested time. Along the same lines, there were probably decent or physical reasons why they were giving the boot.

I would probably just leave all the retired games retired. If pressed for a choice though, it would definitely be Penny Ante like others have said earlier. The most unfortunate reason for retirement, a short GP game and the best sound effect in the history of the show.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: COINBOYNYC on May 16, 2020, 11:56:14 PM
I was also going to suggest that Professor Price could be redone with a real person in the role of the Professor, and that the questions be more price-centered.  I hadn't given any extended thought to the gameplay, so what brosa0 suggested is fine with me.

As far as the role of the Professor, I was just thinking along the lines of a "special celebrity guest," but brosa0's suggestion that one of the models or staffers could also do the job also works.  The thing with a celebrity as Professor is that the celebrity's presence wouldn't dominate the show, because that would be his only appearance(as opposed to, say, the recent RuPaul appearance, which I felt took too much away from the contestants).

Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: greg on May 17, 2020, 11:03:08 AM
Love these ideas!
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Alfonzo on May 18, 2020, 02:21:36 PM
One game I'm glad that's not been mentioned was Trader Bob. No suspense, waaaaay too predictable and no room for error. You could easily tell in every single playing if the contestant won or loss before the final reveal. A good game on paper, but not in execution. I think it would in be SLIGHTLY improved if none of the prices were revealed until the end of the game.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 18, 2020, 04:19:46 PM
Another one that I think may work well today, but I always seem to forget about it: Mystery Price. It has strategy and I think today's audience might do better with it than the audiences of the mid-70's did.

Mystery Price could work today, but I might lower the SPs to 3 to shorten it a bit.

IMO the biggest reason Mystery Price failed is it botched the presentation. The core concept was interesting and not too complex--but the way it was presented just threw way too much at the contestant and didn't give them any time to process what was going on.

The set didn't help at all. You can look at the sets of Money Game or Bonus Game or Give or Keep and figure out what you're supposed to do pretty easily. The set for Mystery Price didn't really provide any clues like that, and relied on Bob to do too much of the heavy lifting himself.

If they were able to break the reveal down into something more digestible (like reveal the game first, then the Mystery Price prize only, and then the big prize) and get a better set (maybe a Switcheroo-like board with different rows for the SPs and columns for the the bid, and an ARP reveal) it could make a decent SP game.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: SilverFirePrime on May 18, 2020, 05:02:26 PM
Give and Take could easily be brought back, but I think reskinning/naming it to something like 'Tip the Scales' to where you put the SPs on a scale and have to tip it on to the 'win' side.

While I'm reskinning games, you could re-skin On The Spot as trying to guide an explorer out of an ancient temple.  If you guess what SP is the price listed in the room, Indiana Price doesn't trigger any traps.  If he triggers traps in all three paths, he's stuck in there and you lose

I don't see a reason Bump couldn't be brought back nowadays. 

I'm not giving up hope on Superball making a comeback.  The last playing of it took about six minutes from IFUB price reading to end, and Hot Seat's debut took about 5:30 from IFUB price winning to the end.  There's plenty of ways they could save time.  Go with a quickie-heavy lineup like they do on Hot Seat days,  make Superball party (or all) cash based to cut back on the prize descriptions, and going with at least one two prize showcase that day jumps to mind.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Torgo on May 18, 2020, 07:54:48 PM
Give and Take could easily be brought back, but I think reskinning/naming it to something like 'Tip the Scales' to where you put the SPs on a scale and have to tip it on to the 'win' side.
...so Balance Game I.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Josh444 on May 18, 2020, 08:40:41 PM
One game I'm glad that's not been mentioned was Trader Bob. No suspense, waaaaay too predictable and no room for error. You could easily tell in every single playing if the contestant won or loss before the final reveal. A good game on paper, but not in execution. I think it would in be SLIGHTLY improved if none of the prices were revealed until the end of the game.

I think revealing the prices was the biggest mistake in the game. It killed all suspense for the final reveal. I think if they brought it back, gave it a “Step Up” like concept of a money ladder with increased choices, it could be way more dynamic. Or they could simply bring back “Give or Keep”, which is the same exact concept. Keep the more expensive of the pair of prizes.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Roadgeek Adam on May 18, 2020, 10:08:32 PM
Give and Take could easily be brought back, but I think reskinning/naming it to something like 'Tip the Scales' to where you put the SPs on a scale and have to tip it on to the 'win' side.

I don't see a reason Bump couldn't be brought back nowadays. 

I for one would like to request that we do not bring bad 1975 game shows into The Price is Right, but that's just me.

As for Bump, there main appeal of Bump was watching female models wind their hips. That would be a bad thing in 2020. (Yes, I know Price enjoys making jokes about shirtless James and Devin.) You'd have to bring the concept back in a new name, and even then, it's not the easiest game to comprehend if you don't already understand it.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: StacksOfCash on May 19, 2020, 06:45:53 PM
I would have like to see On The Spot return with a full revamp that could include LED lighting, a larger stage,  and better color choices i.e Red/Blue/Green. The selected path would light up on selection, and turn off when a contestant guesses a price wrong. You could even make it such that all paths start off lit and a contestant "loses" when there are no more lighted paths to walk. I wouldn't even bother changing the rules as they were never complicated to begin with. Just pick a path and select the products that match the price shown. If they really wanted to make it less ambiguous, they could even show a screen/monitor with the current price to guess.

I've seen suggestions for "Buy or Sell" appear, but functionally that game is basically a less flashy version of More or Less.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 19, 2020, 09:38:24 PM
IIRC Roger once said that the original plan for On the Spot was to have a much grander "spot" like the one you described, with a raised platform and lighted prices that would go out once the path was no longer available, but it had to be scrapped for budgetary reasons.

I didn't hate the game, but I don't remember it too fondly either; you could usually tell when a contestant was going to lose with just a pick or two. If they missed the first prize, it seems like they were always a goner. It felt like they were always building up excitement, then scrapping it, then building it up, than scrapping it... it was difficult to get invested.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: JhayPrice on May 19, 2020, 11:47:50 PM
I just don't like the crappy color combo of G-DB-O-Br-G-P-Y-LB-G-Br-O-DB-G. Much better if they made it like Pathfinder, and made the prices easier.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Josh444 on May 20, 2020, 12:31:33 AM
For "On the Spot", what if they instead used a light up board with dots and revised the game to be more along the lines of "Connect the Dots" instead of the walking aspect of "Pathfinder".

Start at the center dot (FREE SPACE). The goal is to make it to any blank corner dot. The board is filled with dots/prices, some correlate to the SP's, some are "fake" prices that do not correlate to the prizes. The contestant chooses a dot/price, and must decide if the price is a "fake", or if it corresponds to one of the prizes. A correct choice lights up the dot as green/all corresponding dots of the same price light up. An incorrect choice lights up the dot as red/all corresponding prices light up. If the price does belong to a SP, and the contestant is wrong, the correct price on the board lights up red, but that dot/price is eligible to be chosen again. The game ends when either the contestant reaches a corner dot (WINS), or exhausts all possible connections (LOSES).

          ooooooo
          ooooooo
          ooooooo
          ooooooo
          ooooooo

Just a crazy idea/modification.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Timotheus on May 20, 2020, 11:26:04 AM
To bring back Bump, they could add a large novelty hammer/mallet that the contestant (or host/model) uses to bump the prices to the side.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: GobGlom on May 20, 2020, 02:59:02 PM
For "On the Spot", what if they instead used a light up board with dots and revised the game to be more along the lines of "Connect the Dots" instead of the walking aspect of "Pathfinder".

Start at the center dot (FREE SPACE). The goal is to make it to any blank corner dot. The board is filled with dots/prices, some correlate to the SP's, some are "fake" prices that do not correlate to the prizes. The contestant chooses a dot/price, and must decide if the price is a "fake", or if it corresponds to one of the prizes. A correct choice lights up the dot as green/all corresponding dots of the same price light up. An incorrect choice lights up the dot as red/all corresponding prices light up. If the price does belong to a SP, and the contestant is wrong, the correct price on the board lights up red, but that dot/price is eligible to be chosen again. The game ends when either the contestant reaches a corner dot (WINS), or exhausts all possible connections (LOSES).

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Just a crazy idea/modification.

So Pathfinder and Penny Ante had a three-way with BANKO's bonus round?
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: greg on May 21, 2020, 02:32:17 PM
I always thought if you think it’s too sexy to have Amber or Manuela “Bump”, then also have James & Devin bump. 
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: MrPlinko on May 21, 2020, 08:27:17 PM
I still say that if Hurdles comes back, it would be Drew's favorite game! He would have a blast doing the race commentary!  It would be similar to Rat Race, but of course a much longer race.

Joe
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: brosa0 on May 23, 2020, 06:04:42 AM
IMO the biggest reason Mystery Price failed is it botched the presentation. The core concept was interesting and not too complex--but the way it was presented just threw way too much at the contestant and didn't give them any time to process what was going on.

The set didn't help at all. You can look at the sets of Money Game or Bonus Game or Give or Keep and figure out what you're supposed to do pretty easily. The set for Mystery Price didn't really provide any clues like that, and relied on Bob to do too much of the heavy lifting himself.

If they were able to break the reveal down into something more digestible (like reveal the game first, then the Mystery Price prize only, and then the big prize) and get a better set (maybe a Switcheroo-like board with different rows for the SPs and columns for the the bid, and an ARP reveal) it could make a decent SP game.

Agreed with this.  Mystery Price is an enjoyable game from the playings available on Youtube, but it is crippled by a poor set and Bob's overly wordy explanations.

I actually think Double Digits was a decent game too (with the second rules) but suffered from having perhaps the worst, least intuitive set out of any game ever.  With the benefit of nearly 50 years' experience in presenting pricing games and the use of technology, both games would be a lot better if they were around today.

Speaking of Double Digits, I wonder if it would've worked better with Switcheroo gameplay, as below (using this week's Switcheroo playing as an example):

(https://i.imgur.com/iJG4eUB.jpg)

So basically Switcheroo rules, but the first number of each small prize would double as the corresponding number in the price of the car (the numbers in red, from top to bottom).  Of course DD was around well before Switcheroo's time, and would've been played for four-digit cars back then.



Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: 123123123 on May 23, 2020, 11:34:18 AM
^I like the idea of using a Switcheroo type board for the game, it would make it a bit like Line 'em Up in presentation.

With a clearer board like this, they could probably keep the same gameplay as before with a few aesthetic changes. They could give the first number for free and 4 pairs of different colored blocks to represent the 4 digit choices.

Using your example board, it might be something like "one of these red colored blocks here, either the 3 or the 5, represents the first number in the price of the cotton candy maker. That same number is also the second number in the price of the car." Still a bit wordy, but visually should be clear.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 23, 2020, 06:04:02 PM
Agreed with this.  Mystery Price is an enjoyable game from the playings available on Youtube, but it is crippled by a poor set and Bob's overly wordy explanations.

I actually think Double Digits was a decent game too (with the second rules) but suffered from having perhaps the worst, least intuitive set out of any game ever.  With the benefit of nearly 50 years' experience in presenting pricing games and the use of technology, both games would be a lot better if they were around today.

Speaking of Double Digits, I wonder if it would've worked better with Switcheroo gameplay, as below (using this week's Switcheroo playing as an example):

(https://i.imgur.com/iJG4eUB.jpg)

So basically Switcheroo rules, but the first number of each small prize would double as the corresponding number in the price of the car (the numbers in red, from top to bottom).  Of course DD was around well before Switcheroo's time, and would've been played for four-digit cars back then.

I had totally forgotten Double Digits' first rule set! I think the Switcheroo set sells the idea very well--I don't think the game could coexist with Switcheroo, but maybe in some alternate TPiR timeline Double Digits takes the role Switcheroo now has.

How do we know what Double Digits' first rule set was? The FAQ says that it was played five times and won only once. I assume there's no video?
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: blozier2006 on May 23, 2020, 06:32:39 PM
How do we know what Double Digits' first rule set was?
As far as I'm aware, we don't.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: SteveGavazzi on May 23, 2020, 07:31:54 PM
I think I remember reading years and years ago that it involved being given all the numbers in the car and having to place them all in the right prices (and thus in the right order), and I think Jay Lewis played it like that once on Net Price Is Right, but I wouldn't swear to either of those.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 25, 2020, 02:33:42 PM
I took a crack at reimagining Mystery Price's presentation. The goal was to see what "confusing parts" could be eased with a better set or a simpler explanation, and what "confusing parts" are baked into the game's format and the host just has to deal with.

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Welcome, Contestant! Where are you from, blah blah blah... You're going to play Mystery Price!

(https://i.imgur.com/QZssqst.png)

And the Mystery Price today is the price of these binoculars. To win the game, you need to bank enough money to buy the binoculars. Tell us about them!

It's a set of binoculars! These binoculars make stuff look bigger and blah blah blah...

And if you win the binoculars, you can use them...

*doors open*

on your trip to Bali!

You and a guest will blah blah blah...


Like I said, to win the game, you need to bank enough money to buy the binoculars, and if you do that we'll throw in the trip for free! And how do you build up money? One by one you'll bid on four smaller prizes.

Try to bid as close as you can on each small prize without going over. If your bid is under the price of the small prize, we'll add your bid to the bank. For example, if you bid $10 on one of them, and it's $10 or more, we'll add $10 to the bank. But if you overbid, you'll get $0 for that prize.

You need to bid well enough that after bidding on all four small prizes you have enough money in the bank to buy the binoculars. If you have enough to buy the binoculars, you can take them to Bali!

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He says the blender is $35. How much is the blender?

*Model pulls a small card from a reveal on the podium with the prize, similar to Punch-a-Bunch or Shell Game*

$42! You were right, so we'll add $35 to the bank!

(https://i.imgur.com/kHb2z5Z.png)


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(https://i.imgur.com/pMbWCZj.png)

You've gotten three out of four prizes. And you've banked $175. Now comes the moment of truth. If those binoculars aren't over $175, you're going to Bali. What is the price?

*the game's logo flips around a la Stack the Deck*

(https://i.imgur.com/Ev5h8Eu.gif)

You're a winner!

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Some changes: the Mystery Price prize is given its own emphasis, separate from the big prize or the four SPs. We're aping Bonus Game's "game before prize" reveal--the big prize isn't relevant to the gameplay and you need to introduce the most important things first. The SP ARP reveals are moved away from the board; now they are shown once on a little pull card on the prize podium, and then they are wheeled away after they are revealed. The visual emphasis is on the player's bids, and building tension as the bank builds up.

The trickiest part, IMO, is that prizes have to play three different roles (the big prize package, the Mystery Price prize, and the four SPs), and a lot of work needs to be done to keep them all straight. There's no getting around that.

The Mystery Price is the object of the game, but it's not necessarily the prize the contestant is getting excited over. So you need to balance hyping the big prize with giving appropriate focus to the binoculars. And then you have to introduce the four SPs as well...

The other tricky part is you spend four SPs emphasizing you win if you're under, under, under, under the ARP... but for the big reveal, you need to be over the ARP. I repeated "the object is to buy the binoculars" about five times.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: Vgmastr on May 25, 2020, 09:20:05 PM
An idea for Joker:

Played for three prizes like Rat Race, two medium range prizes and a car.  The pricing part involves three small prizes. 

Eight cards on are the board, four pairs, two Queens, two Kings, two Aces and two Jokers.  Each card has one digit on it's backside, and each non-Joker pair is associated with the price of one of the small prizes.  So, for example, if one of the small prizes was $26, card #2 and card #6 would be the pair of Queens.  The two Jokers would have numbers not found in any price. 

The contestant picks cards one at time, trying to find the three pairs.  Each pair the contestant finds earns them a big prize, first pair gets them the first prize, second pair gets the second prize, and all three pairs gets them the car.  However, if they pair up both Jokers, they lose everything.  They can quit and take what they've won if they don't want to risk losing it.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: 123123123 on May 25, 2020, 09:48:36 PM
An idea for Joker:

Played for three prizes like Rat Race, two medium range prizes and a car.  The pricing part involves three small prizes. 

Eight cards on are the board, four pairs, two Queens, two Kings, two Aces and two Jokers.  Each card has one digit on it's backside, and each non-Joker pair is associated with the price of one of the small prizes.  So, for example, if one of the small prizes was $26, card #2 and card #6 would be the pair of Queens.  The two Jokers would have numbers not found in any price. 

The contestant picks cards one at time, trying to find the three pairs.  Each pair the contestant finds earns them a big prize, first pair gets them the first prize, second pair gets the second prize, and all three pairs gets them the car.  However, if they pair up both Jokers, they lose everything.  They can quit and take what they've won if they don't want to risk losing it.

I really wouldn't call this Joker since the only real similarity they seem to have is they both use Joker cards. The idea is good, but guessing the second digit of 3 small prizes might be a bit too random. In case you want to see how your game might work on the show, the link below is a LMaD game called Pair-a-Dice which plays similarly to your idea, except for the truly random style of LMaD. It could definetely be retooled into a pricing game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhX6htAiuYI
 
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: 123123123 on May 25, 2020, 10:28:15 PM
I took a crack at reimagining Mystery Price's presentation. The goal was to see what "confusing parts" could be eased with a better set or a simpler explanation, and what "confusing parts" are baked into the game's format and the host just has to deal with.

Sorry for the double post, but your Mystery Price board came out really nice. It does a great job of visually focusing the contestant on the essential information. Plus it's a lot easier on the eyes than its predecessor.  :-D

Some changes: the Mystery Price prize is given its own emphasis, separate from the big prize or the four SPs. We're aping Bonus Game's "game before prize" reveal--the big prize isn't relevant to the gameplay and you need to introduce the most important things first. The SP ARP reveals are moved away from the board; now they are shown once on a little pull card on the prize podium, and then they are wheeled away after they are revealed. The visual emphasis is on the player's bids, and building tension as the bank builds up.

The trickiest part, IMO, is that prizes have to play three different roles (the big prize package, the Mystery Price prize, and the four SPs), and a lot of work needs to be done to keep them all straight. There's no getting around that.

I think this first problem could be remedied by the order you present the game. The game might benefit more from a traditional "prizes then board" presentation. While the binoculars are more important AND you say that they need to bank enough to buy them, revealing them first separates them from the gameplay, when it may become most apparent to the contestant of their importance and what you mean by bank enough.

Using your example, I would go as follows:

-walk to turntable
-present only trip to Bali
-game appears with binoculars, explain that we gave you the price of trip to Bali because you don't need it. I know Drew says this commonly in some of the fee games, and it would work great in this instance to eliminate one of the prize roles for the contestant to worry about
-describe binoculars, explain if you get enough to buy the binoculars, you also get the trip
-game explanation as you stated above

Either way, the board will make it a lot easier to follow.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: gamesurf on May 26, 2020, 04:05:40 AM
I wanted to try to see if playing around with the reveal helped (and I wanted to try to get away from the 1973 one)—but after hearing you go through it I think I like your explanation better.

You’re right, it’s cleaner to reveal the big prize, get a reaction, and immediately say “we told you the price because you don’t need it” so the focus is kept on the SPs.

There’s a good game trapped in there—Jay Wolpert was unbeaten at marrying cool, innovative game show formats with terribly convoluted presentations.
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: MrPlinko on May 27, 2020, 08:28:46 PM
Love Mystery Price! A great idea for a game revival  (I had to look up the playing of the original version to remember how it played.)

Joe
Title: Re: Retired Games Idea
Post by: PricingPatrick on May 29, 2020, 03:22:41 AM
What I would do for Hit Me is make it a cash game, $21,000 top prize game with the original rules and a super prize of $32,000 if the player gets the A-10 blackjack. Since Drew is a Vegas and Blackjack guy, I think he would handle the game well.

This might not fit but I would love to see the old UK Side by Side with the two prizes on the American version, obviously wouldn’t be called Side-by-Side, maybe Back to Back.