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Title: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Superballer on October 20, 2020, 09:48:21 PM
It has been announced that Apple TV, which has produced new Peanuts content in recent years, has signed an exclusivity deal to stream the vintage specials.  Thus, barring any last minute intercession by any parties with the power to make such changes, Great Pumpkin's network run will likely end at 53 years this year, and the same may hold true for A Charlie Brown Christmas in a few months.  I myself am deeply torn; I understand that television is evolving, and such is likely the future of broadcasts within the next 20 years or so, but let's face it, Great Pumpkin and CBC have by now become deeply embedded in the very fabric of American culture, and America really needs them this year more than any other thus far to give a sense of comfort.  So let us hope something can eventually be worked out that so that they can allow both streaming and traditional broadcasts for them, if not this year, then in a year or two. 
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: JayC on October 20, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
The Great Pumpkin will be available to watch on Apple TV for free between October 30 and November 1 without having to subscribe, so at least there's that. Still though, just strange that it and I assume the Thanksgiving and Christmas specials won't be on TV this year and I assume beyond this year.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on October 22, 2020, 02:06:45 AM
It isn't a shocker that these specials are going in this direction.  It's just the times.  It is surprising, however, that the move has been made official this year, given the lack of programming.


It's a shame though, especially given the fact that this was made public with not much time before the holiday season.  Still, it is available thanks to Apple TV, and it's free.  Given all the complaints on Social Media, there may be optimism that this won't be permanent.  Not sure if anything can be done this year (don't think), but maybe next year they'll be back on the networks
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Hag on October 22, 2020, 11:27:18 AM
It's unfortunate, especially to one who has been watching the specials all my life.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Superballer on October 22, 2020, 02:17:36 PM
It isn't a shocker that these specials are going in this direction.  It's just the times.  It is surprising, however, that the move has been made official this year, given the lack of programming.


It's a shame though, especially given the fact that this was made public with not much time before the holiday season.  Still, it is available thanks to Apple TV, and it's free.  Given all the complaints on Social Media, there may be optimism that this won't be permanent.  Not sure if anything can be done this year (don't think), but maybe next year they'll be back on the networks
 


There probably wouldn't be enough time to make any changes for this year as you've noted, but enough pressure could bring changes for next year.  From my point of view, there'd be plenty of grounds for a reasonable compromise, perhaps:  Apple keeps the rights that they probably paid a lot for and streams them for free each month that each special denotes; in turn they agree to lease them out to whichever network wants them the most for as long as traditional broadcast television does remain viable (once it no longer is, then readjust accordingly) in exchange for a fair fee, and said network, in addition to getting lauded as heroes, would agree to run them as uncut as humanly possible, with the exception of the original Cocoa-Cola and Dolly Madison plugs in the specials' original credits (if this costs them any revenue, Apple can reimburse them).  Or something similar to this, which could then be a template for handling the other perennial specials still running each year going forward. 
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Teddy on October 22, 2020, 10:09:56 PM
Although I'd be sad to see the Charlie Brown holiday specials go away this year, I'm not exactly surprised, considering the current state of things. At least if you have a VHS/DVD set of those specials, you can still watch them anytime for free.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: rockyboy34 on October 23, 2020, 02:19:52 AM
Heard it on TikTok first.

What a shame. Another favorite pastime gone. :(
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: FanOfDrew87 on October 23, 2020, 02:20:07 PM
I, too, am not surprised by the possible demise of Charlie Brown specials on broadcast television.  I felt as if the end was looming a few years ago, and now it's finally come.  53 years is an incredible run for Charlie Brown specials, and very few non-current events shows that have or will have been on the air for 50 years or more likely stay around for a few more years.  This may apply to the remaining long-running daytime soaps and Sesame Street (the latter will no longer be aired on HBO Family as of November 1).  Though a very small number of non-current events programs will likely have plenty of life left, particularly The Price is Right.

But, regarding Charlie Brown specials, I think this sounds like a case of ratings having fallen in recent years.  There have been no brand new Charlie Brown specials in nearly a decade (2011 was the last new special, if I recall), so this could be hinting that the Charlie Brown specials were likely falling out of favor.

Not only could this be the end of an era for Charlie Brown specials on television, but also the official end of an era for animated cartoons for children on ABC.  The network had discontinued non-educational Saturday morning cartoons in September 2006, leaving only the occasional Charlie Brown specials in primetime (possibly due to contract reasons).  ABC's contract to air Charlie Brown specials may now be expired, and by the looks of things, ratings have been in decline for the last few years, and ABC may no longer be interested in airing these specials.  I don't know if ABC even airs any cartoons on Saturday mornings nowadays, if educational in nature.

Plus, it could be possible that the popularity of Peanuts is likely in decline.  There have been no new strips since 2000 due to the creator's declining health (and eventually death) at the time.  There was a package of syndicated reruns of strips with packages covering 1959 to 1974, and the 1990s.  My local newspaper did publish the vintage strips until 2015 when they decided to introduce many new comic strip series.  Three strips published prior to the overhaul retained staying power, but by last year there was another comics page overhaul and those three strips are now gone.

I also think most of the fanbase who grew up enjoying Peanuts are likely grandparents now, and those fans that grew up with the franchise are likely deceased, or getting so close to death, thus shrinking the fanbase and ratings for the holiday specials declining.

Also, to the OP, aren't you actually referring to ABC?
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Teddy on October 23, 2020, 09:18:47 PM
One has to remember, CBS had them first. So the 53 years thing (the same amount of time that the Grinch has had to put up with the Who-ville Christmas celebration before plotting to end it) would be combined across two networks.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: jude_este on November 18, 2020, 01:28:44 PM
Here's some good news from Variety about the Peanuts specials airing on TV. Apple said it would make the specials available on PBS and its PBS Kids outlet by adopting a “windowing” model with PBS airing A Charlie Brown Thanksgiving on November 22 at 7:30 pm, while A Charlie Brown Christmas will air on December 13 at 7:30 pm.

https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/charlie-brown-pbs-apple-peanuts-tv-streaming-1234834757/
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: RatRace10 on November 18, 2020, 01:52:06 PM
Never thought they'd be on PBS, but nice to see they'll be back on TV this year, even if it's just once and not on the proper holidays.

Anyone else remember when Nickelodeon used to air the Peanuts specials?
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: JayC on November 18, 2020, 03:31:59 PM
It's nice that they'll be on TV at least somewhere, and commercial free since it's PBS is even better.

Never thought they'd be on PBS, but nice to see they'll be back on TV this year, even if it's just once and not on the proper holidays.

Anyone else remember when Nickelodeon used to air the Peanuts specials?
The specials never aired on the actual holiday that I can recall. The Thanksgiving special normally aired on ABC the Wednesday before, and they would show the Christmas special twice once in early December and then again a week before.

I remember Nickelodeon airing most of the specials and The Charlie Brown and Snoopy Show and This is America, Charlie Brown as You're on Nickelodeon Charlie Brown in the late 90s. I don't believe they aired they aired any of the holiday specials that aired on CBS and then ABC though.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Superballer on November 18, 2020, 09:19:17 PM
Nope, the perennials were always exclusive to CBS and then ABC back in the day. 

And of course, we can also include The Disney Channel running both A Boy Named Charlie Brown and Snoopy Come Home in the 80s and 90s with reasonable regularity as well (not sure if they also carried the other original theatrical films, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did). 
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: RatRace10 on November 18, 2020, 09:43:19 PM
Nope, the perennials were always exclusive to CBS and then ABC back in the day.

Nickelodeon did air It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown in at least 1998. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaWrY2VzmnQ#t=2m30s
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: SeaBreeze341 on November 18, 2020, 10:19:38 PM
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It's nice that they'll be on TV at least somewhere, and commercial free since it's PBS is even better.


I may or may not be disclosing my age (range) here but I grew up with PBS, not FOX being that "fourth network" with CBS, ABC, and NBC.  No commercials is a great thing!

That being said, and as mentioned, I'm also happy to see it on television in some capacity.  Who knows what the status will be in 2021, but the focus is on 2020.  I would've been okay this year had it not aired (in future years, that's a different story) but it's actually a nice tradition for families everywhere.  Change is inevitable; that's understood.  However, change for the sole reason of change is unnecessary.

If the specials aired on the actual holiday, it might have been before my time.  They couldn't do that today.  Even the not-so-popular holiday specials & movies avoid the real day.  Family time added to the fact that there's football and hoops (for Thanksgiving and Christmas, respectively) are enough reasons to avoid those days
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: jhc2010 on November 18, 2020, 10:49:13 PM
Were the specials edited for air on commercial broadcast TV?
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: RatRace10 on November 18, 2020, 11:56:27 PM
Were the specials edited for air on commercial broadcast TV?

Great Pumpkin was. ABC generally aired two versions of it each year. One version was edited down to fit a modern half hour slot and was usually paired with another half hour Halloween special, Toy Story of Terror. The other version was uncut and paired with an edited version of You're Not Elected, Charlie Brown that filled the remaining 25 minutes or so. This pairing was listed as one program on TV guides.

ABC aired Christmas totally uncut. They actually created Charlie Brown's Christmas Tales to serve as filler after Charlie Brown Christmas so that it could run uncut for more than 30 minutes. Like Great Pumpkin/Not Election, they were listed as one hour-long program. Charlie Brown Christmas did have some edits done early on, though, mostly to remove the Coca-Cola sponsorship. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sm-7ADxAUg4

Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: wpghi5 on November 19, 2020, 03:57:17 AM
I wonder if us Canucks would be able to see them?
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: FieldsFan336 on November 19, 2020, 03:38:59 PM
I wonder if us Canucks would be able to see them?

Depending on where you live, you should be able to pick up the PBS station from the closest US city to your location.  In my area, my closest affiliate is WNED Buffalo, but the cable package we subscribe to also lets us pick up WTVS from Detroit
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: EaglesWings4500 on November 22, 2020, 06:57:38 PM
https://www.klove.com/news/good-news/beloved-charlie-brown-specials-will-air-on-tv-after-all-17889

While you here check out the GREAT MUSIC!!!
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: RatRace10 on November 22, 2020, 09:09:30 PM
In case anyone wants more Peanuts this holiday, Freeform is airing the movie Bon Voyage, Charlie Brown (and Don't Come Back!) on Thanksgiving at 10:30 AM, and the Movies! channel is airing A Boy Named Charlie Brown on Saturday November 28 at 11:15 AM.

Seems the Apple TV deal didn't apply to the feature films.
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: Superballer on November 22, 2020, 11:02:14 PM
"Are you ready for a shock?" (Charlie Brown immediately faints dead away) "He wasn't ready for a shock."  Couldn't resist. 
Title: Re: a possible year without Charlie Brown on television
Post by: JayC on November 22, 2020, 11:10:56 PM
Snoopy, Come Home will air at 1:10 Saturday following A Boy Named Charlie Brown on the Movies! channel as well.