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Title: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Joe_Capitano on December 16, 2008, 03:24:29 PM
If you haven't seen this yet, you may want to leave now and watch the show first (assuming you can). Stick with it to the end. Your patience will be rewarded. 'nuff said.

The Price is Right - Dec. 16, 2008
Production #4524K - Taped Sept. 22, 2008

Drew: stage entrance
First Four lineup:  
Handoff: Amber

Models of the Day: Phire Dawson, Amber Lancaster and Gabrielle Tuite
Wearing: Mon Cheri


1   American Pennant Day Sailer (G)
ZACHARY 800 TERRY 1450 JULIE 1525 DAVID *1526 ($3695)

David plays ANY NUMBER

Picks: 3 5 2 7 4 6 1 8
Pontiac G6 (Std., Mats, Prot, RemStart, BLkHtr)(A)$2 1,8 3 6WIN!
Apple iPod Entertainment Set (P)$7 5 –($750)
That Damned Piggy Bank$–.4 2(9.42)

2   Sigma DP1 Digital Camera (from above)
+Zachary *601 +Terry 500 +Julie 1 SHARON 600 ($799)

Zachary runs up the "Southpaw Steps" to play IT'S IN THE BAG

$   1,000$1.49*(5) Jelly Belly Jelly Beans (bag)
2,00012.99*(1) Ester C Supplement (120)
BAILOUT5.99*(3) Cajun Injector Marinade
9.12*(4) Gold Bond Ultimate Healing
2.99*(2) Clorox Disinfecting Wipes
(6) Alka-Seltzer Plus (24)

3   "Big Green Eff" Smoker/Grill (G)
JAIME 550 +Terry **1175** +Julie 798 Sharon 1176 ($1175)

Terry from Las Vegas, NV

2 Star Trac Spinner Velo Exercise Bikes (P)$3644$3644
Apple iMac Desktop Computer (A)$2879SWITCH!$2879

SHOWDOWN #1
$1,675Terry90 stay.90Through to Showcase Round
2,799Zachary60 + 90OV
7,698David80 + 40OV

4   Colemna Beach Equipment (P)
Jaime *510 JOSEPH 905 +Julie 450 Sharon 44 ($896)

Jamie heads up the "Southpaw Steps" to go to a SWAP MEET

Capresso Impressa Coffee Center (G)$1000
(3) Nirve His/Hers Cruiser Bikes  1000   WIN!
(1) Pulaski Casa Cristina Dining Group($2879; Not Revealed)
(2) Christian Louioutin Shoes/Prada Purse($1956, Not Revealed)

Prices for the second item(s) were sourced through the accounting firm of I. Hadda Lookemup, ESQ.


5   (LG) Washer/Dryer (A)
KAREN 1699 Joseph 1100 +Julie 2200 Sharon *2201 ($2598)

Sharon plays ONE AWAY for a Pontiac Vibe (Fairly loaded)(G&P)

Setup1st Try
1 6 3 4 6– 7 4 – –
2 7 4 5 71 8 5 4 6
3 8 5 6 82 – – 5 7
EXACTA!

Julie is getting a bit antsy now for off in the distance stands Mimi, glaring right at her. Hanging in the balance: banishment to the "First Four" Breakfast Club. Fortuantely, Julie has the last bid. Can she keep her distance from the front door?

6   Designer Burberry Coat (A)
Karen 599 Joseph 750 +Julie *751 LEIZL 1400 ($825)

Julie escapes! She plays PICK A NUMBER for a (Samsung) 46" LCD HDTV and a Broyhill McKenzie Place Entertainment Armoire (P)

Setup:$[–]0 7 7   [2][4][5]
Pick:$[5]0 7 7
Price:$[5]0 7 7   WIN!

SHOWDOWN #2
$5,902Julie65 + 40OV
7,731Jaime55 + 50OV
21,144Sharon80.80Through to Showcase Round by Default

SHOWCASE ROUND
Sharon has the honor.

SC1-Terry MODELS' DAY OFF (with the leftovers from the Row subbing for them)
VocoPro Sonic Station Karaoke System (Liezl)
Golden West Billiard Table (Joseph)
Hi Lo Towlite Telescoping Travel Trailer (Karen)
BID$23,743
PRICE23,743
DIFFEXACTA!
TOTAL$56,437*** DOUBLE SHOWCASE WINNER ***   (2nd this season)
SC2-Sharon EVERY TRIP IN THE HOUSE (A&P)
Trips to Chicago (6n @ Renaissance),
Banff, Alberta (6n @ Rocky Mtn),
Edinburgh (6n), and Capetown (S. African Airways; 6n @ Westin + 3n @ Arabella)
BID$30,525
PRICE31,019
DIFF–494

...and if you're wondering if Joseph's the first one to record a perfect showcase bid, CLICK HERE.


Today's Pricing Games: 4 for 6 (with 1 Bailout)
Total Winnings: $100,711


THIS IS THE ONLY OFFICIAL GOLDEN-ROAD.net SHOW RECAP.
REPRODUCTION PROHIBITED WITHOUT AUTHOR PERMISSION.

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 16, 2008, 03:28:15 PM
As I understand it, the PB in the '70's was actually on Dennis's show (as was the only SC tie), so this is the first PB on CBS daytime.

And that's it. After 36 1/2 years, I've seen everything that could possibly happen on the show, except for a "win" in Plinko.

And I have never missed Bob more than I did today.

I can only imagine how he would have handled today's reveal.

"The ACtual REtail PRICE...

of YOUR SHOWcase IS....

Twenty...

three...

THOU...

sand...

<beat one, beat two>

SEVEN HUNDRED FORTY-THREE! A PERFECT BID! A PERFECT BID! NEVER IN PRICE IS RIGHT HISTORY," etc.

Instead, we got:

"Tennythreethousansevenhunnerdfortythree rightonthenoserightonthenose,hasnthappensince 72or73helpcontrolthepetpopulation..."

I may seriously be done watching the show.

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: UniquePerspective on December 16, 2008, 03:28:37 PM
Question:

Did Drew keep the Sound Effects Ladies Gag in 1A today? (I didn't see the show, and I don't think it's up on CBS, so I don't know)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ayoung on December 16, 2008, 03:30:39 PM
Some excitement out of drew would have been nice  :-(
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Drewfan2008 on December 16, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
Ever since the show started to go in a different direction, I defended it. I defended the show and I defended Drew. But after that reaction to what was probably the greatest moment in Price history, I have lost a lot of respect for Drew. Bob would have at least showed that he cared and had gotten excited over the moment. Drew actually stood there and looked at the real price and said it just like this, "You bid $23,743 on your showcase, the actual price is (pause), $23,743. You got it on the nose, congratulations". And this was said with no emotion whatsoever. This is not the same Drew from 1 year ago. This is a different Drew that is showing his real colors. He is showing that he just does not care. I am just sitting here wondering what went wrong. Drew needs to go to Game Show hosting school, because he really needs help.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: wink87 on December 16, 2008, 03:34:02 PM
Drew did keep the "sound effects lady" gag in today. Probably, other than Sharon's One away win, the best moment of the show.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Howard on December 16, 2008, 03:34:20 PM
HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE!  Mark Goodson would have never ever allowed that!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 16, 2008, 03:37:27 PM
Drew did keep the "sound effects lady" gag in today. Probably, other than Sharon's One away win, the best moment of the show.

Keep in mind, this episode was filmed before the foot-injury episodes.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 16, 2008, 03:38:34 PM
This was an awesome show!  Ironically, at about 2:00 a.m. that morning, I asked somebody in line who had been to 100+ tapings if he had ever seen a DSW in all his tapings, as I had not.  There was a very long stopdown between the showcases and the reveal, and lots of conversations going on all over the stage between groups of people.  I really don't think they knew how to proceed, since this wasn't like somebody bidding $17500 and being on the nose.  

For the record, this was the third time that I got a showcase on the nose while in the studio.  The other two times were in 1992 (two days before I was chosen as a contestant) and 2005.  It was awesome to have somebody listening to me this time, especially somebody who I steered wrong in "Switch?".

It was also fun to help Sharon win the car in One Away, although she could have had an extra $500 had she taken my bid on the washer/dryer.

Not sure if I'm welcome at Studio 33 anymore, but I'm sure I'll find out one of these days...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: FPGWillyT on December 16, 2008, 03:39:03 PM
Of course I'm exicted about the exacta for the SC.  And I argee with JohnHolder.  If and only if.  But we'll never know.

But nothing, NOTHING, gets me pumped more than a five horn win.  That game has soooo much natural tension built into the proper revealing of that game after four horns, that to hear that fifth horn makes me cry.  She was a GREAT contestant and the return of the "mighty sound effects lady" made me feel better that we didn't lose that forever.  I've now watched that segment off the DVR 12 times.

And any day we have exactly zero Drew/Rich SC appearances makes for an even better show.  I actually really LIKED the theme for SC1.  What a great chance for today's CNAOS to have a shot of being on stage.  WELL DONE MR. SHOWCASE WRITER.

Personally, I don't care that there may have been a 45 minute stopdown between bids and reveals.  There's no excuse for the reveal of the greatest moment in his Daytime era.  None whatsoever.  I guess I should be thankful that he proved me more right than ever with the way he revealed the perfect bid.  Indifferent.  And it makes no sense after the fun he had with OA Sharon.  None.

And Ted, welcome to the "I got Willy'd in S33 Club!"


Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 16, 2008, 03:39:42 PM
Quote
Ever since the show started to go in a different direction, I defended it. I defended the show and I defended Drew. But after that reaction to what was probably the greatest moment in Price history, I have lost a lot of respect for Drew. Bob would have at least showed that he cared and had gotten excited over the moment.

I'm glad I saw the spoiler.  I would have gotten infuriated over Drew for not caring about one of the greatest moments in the history of the show.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ton80 on December 16, 2008, 03:40:00 PM
I have two comments....

1 - Nice build up and reveal for One-Away.  Drew was better than usual and the contestant was very good with her different "askings".  It was one of the best I've seen lately.  I liked the way Sharon asked the final round.  She was a joy to watch!!

2 - A Showcase exacta on $23,743?  What a random, off the wall ARP on which to do that!  I wonder if S&P had to take a look around to see if there was a "leak" out there somewhere.  I guess 2 exact bids out of some 7000 shows is well within the realm of statistical probability.

[EDIT BY TON80]  I just read Ted's post.  (He posted while I was typing my post).  I think I found the leak!! I would not be surprised, Ted, if your picture isn't hanging on the wall right now, with a red circle with slash through it.  [/EDIT]

When they revealed Sharon's ARP, and she was off by only $400, I knew Terry had won.  I hate it for Sharon, because that was a very good bid on her part.  

Drew's reveal of that really sucked, by the way.  That's too bad, too.  He had a good opportunity to shine, and he blew it!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 03:41:25 PM
You know why Drew was monotonous at the end? Because he realized SOMEONE ELSE helped him get that EXACTA. Someone else had those prices (well-done, random audience member) memorized. While I absolutely agree he SHOULD have been much more excited, I think that's why he got so down, which is weird, because he's supposed to love big wins.

A- for the show, all things considered.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: dh027 on December 16, 2008, 03:41:41 PM
Isn't this the same Drew Carey that almost had a seizure after an exciting Lucky Seven win earlier in the season?  Consistency.  That's all I ask.  That exacta reveal was downright awful.  He did the whole thing monotone.  

Drew Carey, if you do visit the website, please read this.  At least try to show an effort, or get off the damn show and give someone else a chance.  You're starting to make Patrick Wayne and Rolf Benirschke look good.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Teddy on December 16, 2008, 03:42:20 PM
Just saw today's show, and that was a monumental performance at the end.

Any Number: Great down-to-the-wire win!
It's in the Bag: Aww, he could've gone all the way to $16,000. But $2,000 isn't all that bad, either. It's $2,000 more than the guy came to LA with.
Switch: A perfect bid for Terry, but then he suffers a bad fate with his game.
Swap Meet: Another great win.
One Away: Lucky her, she nailed the car's price on the nose!
Pick-a-Number: I also thought of 5.

Showcases: For the first time ever in daytime, somebody bids the exact price of a Showcase. If this were an MDS, he would've been a millionaire by now. I'd bet Bob Barker's celebrating like crazy, wherever he is.

If Bob were still here:

"Terry, you bid $23,743 on your Showcase, and the actual retail price is...$23,743. You got it EXACTLY RIGHT, AND YOU WIN BOTH SHOWCASES! This is another historic first, a perfect bid in the Showcase! Terry has won $56,437 in cash and prizes today on The Price is Right. I tell you, this is a spectacular ending to a great show! Bob Barker reminding you to help control the pet population. Have your pets spayed or neutered. Goodbye, everybody!"

If anything, this could end up being the show of the season! Way to go, Terry!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mlh1981 on December 16, 2008, 03:46:30 PM
We don't ask Drew Carey to be like Bob Barker.  We just ask him to care about his job, and the contestants.  Everything he does takes attention away from them, and brings it onto himself.  With that said he has shown excitement on the show before, but not during one of, it not THE most, exciting moment in the show's history?  There's more to this that what is on the surface.  I look forward to reading the replies of people who might be in the know more so than myself.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: GoldenBulldog on December 16, 2008, 03:47:14 PM
Not sure if I'm welcome at Studio 33 anymore, but I'm sure I'll find out one of these days...

Ted, I personally feel for you; the same thing happened to Voltaire recently and I think Willy too.  I didn't hear a thing about my giving contestants assistance in SC's or pricing games; HOWEVER...I share a personal responsibility for helping a contestant named Summer win "Switch?" on the show that aired on April 11 (last season), because I was in the front row that day.  Also Ted, I know you had this tendency to cause contestants to lose their pricing games (Susan losing Check Game in the early '90s comes to my mind :P), but wow--you're THAT good in pricing!  Maybe you oughta join us for the next Overbidders Anonymous meeting as a guest speaker!  :mrgreen:

As for today's show itself, I took the day off thinking that there would be no CSS; man, I must've missed a helluva good day.  The players on stage would've PWNED us all today, but I did catch the reveal of Terry's exacta myself.  Come on Drew--you were MUCH BETTER last year when I was there; I hope somebody gripes at you for blowing one of the greatest moments in TPIR history!  :-x

OVERALL SHOW GRADE:  Incomplete/Stuff of Legends

(I'm grading this show in two parts:  the PG's, which get an "Incomplete," and the exacta itself, which automatically gets filed into the "Stuff of Legends")
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 16, 2008, 03:48:38 PM
You know why Drew was monotonous at the end? Because he realized SOMEONE ELSE helped him get that EXACTA. Someone else had those prices (well-done, random audience member) memorized...

That's exactly the way that I feel, too. Robbed.

At first, I smelled a rigging on that number. Now that I know that some person memorized the prices on all of the items and yelled it out to the contestants... well, I'm not sure what to think.

That fact sure did take the fun out of what I saw today.




Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 16, 2008, 03:48:58 PM
Well, as I've mentioned elsewhere, before hiring someone for a show of this magnitude, CBS should have not just looked for someone with good hosting skills (which it turns out he doesn't have anymore). but also looked for someone who understood the history of the show well enough to understand why moments like this make the show special. I'm sorry, but Drew just does not get it at all!

I decided to go to Youtube and watch a bunch of the DSWs from the Drew era, including the other one from this season. As much as those are great moments, they do not come to the magnitude of an exact bid, which has happened ONCE in the history of Price, over all the versions, daytime or syndicated (not including TNPiR '94 which used the Range Game bonus round). I noticed that in all the other DSWs, there was definitely more excitement in Drew's voice than normal. He seemed to get the fact that it was a big moment, and got excited. Today...was a huge moment, and Drew blew it! I'm sorry, but where did the Drew from last season go? Oh yeah...he had Roger to help then. Not to blame this on the loss of Roger, but I don't think he would have allowed this to happen like that.

That being said, I have lost whatever respect for Drew as a game show host I had. It's only been 3 months worth of season 37, and Drew has alienated most of the hardcore Barker fans who liked his performance from last season. At least he has the talent for something.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: goldroadfanatic on December 16, 2008, 03:49:34 PM
I thought Drew's entrances on vehicles or prizes were bad, but throwing a CBS trash can out in front is probably at the bottom of the barrel.
 
That corny equation used as the intro for the boat in the first bidding round was just plain stupid.

Pretty amazing comeback in Any Number, it looked like David was going to win the piggy bank or the iPod package, but he came back and won the car on the last possible pick.

I still find it unbelievable that Drew still calls It's in the Bag "In the Bag" more often than not.  I know he is capable of calling the game by its proper name, as evidenced by one of the MDS's last year and a couple of times last season as well, I wonder if he just forgets to call it "IT'S in the Bag" or he just doesn't make the effort.

Hard to believe it has been almost one year to the date we have had our last $16,000 win in It's in the Bag, but the crowd managed to make Zachary stop too early when he could have won it all.  That's why I love $16,000 wins so much in the game, there are only a handful of people going against the whim of the audience to bail at $8,000 and go for broke.  The reaction from everyone is always exciting when the full win happens.

Swap Meet just doesn't feel the same when we see the prize and podium before Rich describes it.  Today, we just saw Bart shoot Drew and the contestant as if they were walking to door #2 to play Double Prices and Side By Side, and we only got a hair of the prize stand holding the coffee maker (at least for those, such as myself, who were watching the show in 16:9).

Sharon was fun to watch coming on down and it was so awesome for her to win One Away by playing it perfectly.

The first showcase was kind of good, with the models taking the day off and having the contestants still in the Row come up and model the prizes, although they could have done something like "Your showcase takes a look as we have some of today's contestants model the prizes!" or something.  But otherwise, it was pretty good, may not be up there with yesterday's "Villain" showcase but it was far better than the Fried Chicken, L.A. Kings, or Pie Fight.

Well, way to kill the Every Trip in the House showcase.  I mean, it was good that they built a house to hold all the green screens, but they could have had the mini trip skins and stage them the way they have been doing it for the last several years when doing the showcase.  The way the copy had Rich say what each destination was famous for was just unnecessary.  Although I do like how Rich didn't recap the prizes offered at the end.

Could Drew have been any mellower than he was during the reveal?  I mean, I would think he would get excited about Sharon's $494 difference and then build up the excitement for Terry's reveal.  But he had that usual "I just wanna get this out of the way" attitude and showed no enthusiasm and mumbled about it happening back in the '70's.  I mean, Drew seemed very excited when Sharon won One Away by playing it perfectly and when David won at the last possible moment on Any Number, so why couldn't he have given the showcase reveal the same treatment?  Arguably one of the most exciting wins in TPIR history was shot down because of Drew's reveal.

Drew really needs to get his act together, I was very impressed by his performance last season, but now he just took it and flushed it down the toilet and is starting to remind me of how Louie Anderson looked like he was bored out of his mind on his final years on Family Feud.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rob79 on December 16, 2008, 03:51:17 PM
Today's show? BEST show of the year. Bar none. Despite (or in spite) of that awful entrance made by Drew.

All I can say about that showcase win is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G. I never EVER thought i'd see that. Poor Sharon made an amazing bid as well but what can you say about Terry's? Truly amazing. That's something we may never ever see again. The bad part about it was that Drew put no enthusiasm whatsover into that reveal. Shame, shame, shame. Drew, be EXCITED about it. He about hyperventilated today in Any # and yet when we get a bid like Terry's he show's no excitement?

Speaking of the showcases--that first one was a-w-e-s-o-m-e. If only Drew would put this much effort into every showcase.

Sharon did outstanding today as well--we cannot lose sight that she did have that awesome 5 horn One Away win. If only One Away had been played last---that would have made things much better?

No one has mentioned Zachary's heartbreak in It's In the Bag yet. That hurt. Yeah he won $2k, but knowing if he'd gone on he'd have won the whole enchilada made it that much more painful in my opinion.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 16, 2008, 03:56:04 PM
That's exactly the way that I feel, too. Robbed.

At first, I smelled a rigging on that number. Now that I know that some person memorized the prices on all of the items and yelled it out to the contestants... well, I'm not sure what to think.

That fact sure did take the fun out of what I saw today.

The show IS, after all, an audience participation show.  Don't get me wrong, I memorize prices for my own benefit, should I be chosen as a contestant, but if not, then I'm just one of the people in the crowd shouting out what he or she thinks.  As Rod Roddy used to say in his warmup, "Pick out the right one out of three hundred screaming people and you win in contestant's row."  For the record, I did try to get Terry to bid $23,500, as that would have still yielded a double showcase win and would not have caused any suspicions on anybody's part, but he went with the first bid I gave him instead.  :-).

I guess my point is that if they don't want audience members to help the contestants, then the entire show should be run like Clock Game.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 04:00:14 PM
(see above quote)
Also, Willy said there was a 45-minute stopdown between bidding & reveal - because the entire staff felt that way, too, but they couldn't re-do the SCs or anything like that. While I, again, absolutely agree Drew SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST feigned joy if he was feeling it was illegitimate, I honestly think this is a plausible theory that's going to prove itself true - not cheating, but suspicions of it and a definite person who knew these prices by heart.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: holein1isawesome on December 16, 2008, 04:01:44 PM
Who else here thinks that he should get $56,437 in cash? *Raises hand*.  :oldlol::biggrin: :biggrin:
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: FPGWillyT on December 16, 2008, 04:01:54 PM
You know why Drew was monotonous at the end? Because he realized SOMEONE ELSE helped him get that EXACTA.

Mr. Barker was NEVER EVER so monotone when I helped someone win a showcase.  And last time I checked, the audience helping a contestant, WHICH HE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ENCOURAGES, has ALWAYS been a part of this show.

Also, Willy said there was a 45-minute stopdown between bidding & reveal - because the entire staff felt that way, too, but they couldn't re-do the SCs or anything like that. While I, again, absolutely agree Drew SHOULD HAVE AT LEAST feigned joy if he was feeling it was illegitimate, I honestly think this is a plausible theory that's going to prove itself true - not cheating, but suspicions of it and a definite person who knew these prices by heart.

So what you are saying is that no Golden-Road member should EVER be selected as a contestant because they now the ARP of the Egg?  I'm sorry Wayoshi, but your argument makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.  This board plays the CSS almost every day and on most days somone scores a DSW.  Are you telling me that had you been in studio and been in a position to help someone win, you wouldn't help them because "I'm sorry...I'm too damn smart for the show and you are on your own?"

Lemme be clear in my support of Ted.  He didn't cheat.  He didn't walk into that studio with a physical price list for reference.  He used his "I've watched the show for a billion years" memory to assist a contestant.  For all he knew, he could have been $200 over. 

And forget all of that....it's still no excuse for the way Drew handled the reveal.


Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: GoldenBulldog on December 16, 2008, 04:04:09 PM
The show IS, after all, an audience participation show.  Don't get me wrong, I memorize prices for my own benefit... (snip-snip-snip)  :-)

And that's good--it really is!  I certainly AM NOT critical of any LFaT on this site, but as a general rule of thumb for me, I don't have time to sit there and absorb these prices as some of them do because of the obligations of school; don't get me wrong Ted, if you're an LFaT of this show, you'll fare rather well.  However, I think that the deeper problem with the show nowadays is that they, quite frankly, DON'T CARE about the LFaT's anymore; if the staff suspects that if an LFaT, who absorbs prices like sponges, helps out your average contestant, then he/she will be moved.  It happened to Voltaire, Willy, and A.J. (Armadillo); I feel really bad that it happened to you, and I fear that it might happen to me.

(of course, since the staff reads this site and realizes that I go OVER in CSS everyday, they don't consider me a threat to them--and that's the way [uh-huh, uh-huh] I like it!)

:mrgreen:


Oh yeah, I forgot to make a toast:

Here's to Ted and Terry, for being a part of the greatest moment in TPIR history!  :pint:
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 04:04:57 PM
Mr. Barker was NEVER EVER so monotone when I helped someone win a showcase.  And last time I checked, the audience helping a contestant, WHICH HE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ENCOURAGES, has ALWAYS been a part of this show.
Again, I'm not defending Drew, in fact I'm against him in this manner, absolutely. I'm just giving what I think is the reason why it ended up coming out this way.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: goldroadfanatic on December 16, 2008, 04:05:26 PM
Who else here thinks that he should get $56,437 in cash?

No, the show should just award the prizes the way it has been done for the last 36 years, just awarding them both showcases.  Even though a win like today's is a rare feat, in the rules it says the contestant just wins both showcases.  The show just won't hand out over $50,000 just because of today's event. Besides, that can be very useful for the budget for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveEllis on December 16, 2008, 04:06:28 PM
Oh geez, I noticed the "audience members" modeling the prizes in the showcase.  What I did NOT realize was that these were the 3 NOAS contestants.  I honestly thought they were AUDIENCE members.  I don't pay much attention to this show.  I do watch it all the way through, however.

Dagnabit, My TIVO is broken.  So I couldn't record this show.  But I am getting a new format tivo with the 80 hours and the dual tuners, unlike my old one single tuner 40 hour.

Showcase win: WOW.  I noticed that.  What are the odds of that?  Like 1 in 100,000?  Just my guess because the ARP usually is $xx,xxx.  But I don't know.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: BRB_TheFireball on December 16, 2008, 04:07:17 PM
Opening:  Hi, Ted! :-D

Any:  Kathy was definitely aiming for a loss on this one, having both the 5 and 0 in the iPod stuff.  David made it exciting, going to a full count and winning.

One-Bid #2:  Watch out for Sharon!  She's a screamer and could do serious bodily harm to Drew.  Obvious edit right before the camera was sent down.

Baggy:  Thanks a lot, audience!  It's been ages since the last $16,000 winner and you blew it for Zachary. :evil:

One-Bid #3:  Yay!  Big Green Egg! :P Nice job giving Terry that price, Ted.

?Switch?:  Don't know what Terry was thinking in switching those prices, but the audience made up for its previous atrocity by booing him into un-switching.

Swappy:  Another obvious edit.  Either that, or really bad camerawork.  The setup was extremely easy.

Away:  Yay!  Five-horner! :P And Sharon was just terrific throughout this whole segment.

PA#:  Julie tried to go with M*A*S*H 4077, but more audience booing prevented another impending loss.  I think this might be the first time in PA#'s history that a contestant changed his or her mind just before the host lifted up the correct answer.

SC #1:  While this showcase was poorly written, it does get high marks for utilizing the three contestants who didn't win one-bids.  You can tell that Terry got his bid again from Ted.  Given how close his bid was to my bid, I knew that a DSW was likely.

SC #2:  Oh noes!  The evil "Every Trip in the House" showcase!  Even worse, it's an all-green-screen house.

My showcase bids:
Trailer--$23,503
FRERITHSC--$33,007

Result:  Wow, what a great day to have a snow day from work!  Thanks to Ted, Terry scored the very first* showcase exacta in the history of Daytime Price and only the second* showcase exacta in all of TPIR history.

Well, dubious congratulations to Ted on now getting blacklisted/Willyed/Voltaired.

*=Does not count Barney's exacta on "How I Met Your Mother"
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 16, 2008, 04:07:27 PM
...I guess my point is that if they don't want audience members to help the contestants, then the entire show should be run like Clock Game.

After what you did on this episode, you just might have advanced that idea forward by a lot of spaces...and I really couldn't argue with it after today, either.


I don't have a problem with an amalgamation of audience members yelling out suggestions. I do have an issue with one person having the prices memorized and yelling out the exact answers.

I'm hoping the production staff learns from this and works harder on getting new items that people can't memorize.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Nick on December 16, 2008, 04:08:25 PM
I'd really like to see a normal entrance even just once.  Rolling a garbage can out the doors?  How the heck is that even supposed to be funny?

Wow, I can't believe Zachary actually had all of the products priced correctly in It's in the Bag.  There's no way I would have thought the marinade was $5.99.

The reveal of Swap Meet was abysmal.  It looked like Double Prices was coming, and the somewhat-random interjection of a single line from Drew after the first prize before revealing the other three prizes was quite pathetially planned.

I have no idea if we're ever going to see a bit with the sound effects operator after today's playing of One Away if the new method seen is permanent.  While I hate "oh mighty sound effects lady," there is as heck is a lot more dang excitement when you've got all five numbers right than Drew's new way would be.

What an easy setup for Pick-a-Number.  I'm a bit surprised Julie almost lost.

You know, if the three from the Row could have done an actually half-decent job modeling those prizes, instead of leaning all over them like Joseph did with the pool table, it might have been something great; but it was so badly planned, unrehearsed most likely, that it didn't work.

Way to totally butcher the Every Trip in the House Showcase.  From a stupid setup to the wrong cue playing to corny ramp-ups before three of the four trip descriptions, it was pathetic.  I want my old Every Trip in the House back with the trip skins.

Drew has convulsions after a Lucky $even win like Taylor's.  He was all over the place with David's Any Number win at the top of the show, and he made a scene over Sharon's win in One Away; but how... just how could he let pass what could have been the most exciting moment in the history of The Price Is Right pass with such disinterest and monotony as he did?  Words cannot describe just how pathetically he handled the reveal of the only perfect Showcase bid in daytime Price Is Right history.  It blew.  Whatever excitement that was there was sapped away.  I just do not understand how he could have done that with zero emotion when lesser things happen and it looks like he's going to have a heart attack.  After this incident, I should never have to explain again why Drew is a bad host of The Price Is Right.  This should speak for itself.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: sideshowPA on December 16, 2008, 04:08:48 PM
This is why the producers of the show need to be especially careful when choosing prizes for showcases.  Looking at the prizes in this exacta showcase, they are items that have been used several times before, without variation.  For these prizes, perhaps adding the cues for the pool table or some CD's or some extra to the trailer can keep this sort of thing from occurring.  This is done regularly with the options on cars, though even the options offered on cars seem to have less variety than in the past.

This situation smells a little bad, but there doesn't seem to be anything the contestant did wrong.

As for the reveal.  I am sure Drew knew the situation, and had his own thoughts on what happened.  But in entertainment, there's never really an excuse for letting up, and that's what he did with his weak reveal.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 16, 2008, 04:09:09 PM
I guess my point is that if they don't want audience members to help the contestants, then the entire show should be run like Clock Game.

We had a long discussion about this several months ago after Voltron ended up on stage with two Showcase winners whom he helped, and was subsequently banned from sitting close enough to the front of the studio that the contestants would be able to listen to him.

I have no idea why Terry apparently chose to listen to you as opposed to one of the other screaming people in the audience. I don't even know why Terry apparently heard you as opposed to one of the others. Unless you and Terry knew each other, and unless you were describing your price-memorization skills to everyone within earshot in the line, and that included Terry, I don't think there's a problem.

On the other hand, I can see how network S&P might need to make absolutely certain that he didn't have some kind of illegitimate help (like being yelled at by a friend in the audience with a written list of prices in his lap). And after all, the show is supposed to be about how good the people on stage are at pricing items, not how good they are at picking which audience member to listen to, or about how good the 300+ people sitting there who weren't chosen at contestants are at memorization and yelling.

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ton80 on December 16, 2008, 04:09:14 PM
Here's another thought.  If they don't want the potential contestants memorizing prices and using that to their advantage, then STOP USING THE SAME PRIZES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again!!

Use a prize once, or twice, or even three times, but they've offered that trailer so many times now, even Joe Plinko knows its exact price!!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrDeePay on December 16, 2008, 04:12:06 PM
So, this is the first episode I actually saw with my own two since the premiere week seeing as I'm too lazy to reconfigure my Adblock plus so I can see it on CBS' website without disabling the addon, and I thought the episode was OK, other than two problems already touched upon.

1.) Drew's intro at the beginning with the trash can.  I found that to be really dumb.
2.) Drew's monotone reaction to the EXACTA in the showcase. I feel that was just a blown opportunity for obvious reason.

On a different note, I really liked the One Away playing today and seeing the CNOA being able to be on stage.  I thought it was a nice touch for a showcase.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 16, 2008, 04:12:15 PM
Mr. Barker was NEVER EVER so monotone when I helped someone win a showcase.  And last time I checked, the audience helping a contestant, WHICH HE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT ENCOURAGES, has ALWAYS been a part of this show.

There's a big difference between helping and giving the answers.

I know that you've been a staunch defender of The Way Things Used To Be, but CAPS on CERTAIN PARTS of your POST don't help advance your AGENDA.

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Joe_Capitano on December 16, 2008, 04:14:01 PM
What I'd really like to know is whether someone called Drew over to discuss things with him. If I were Fingers, I'd be telling him something along these lines:

"OK, Drew. All those times Barker referred to something as an "historic monent" pale in comparison to what's about to go down. We've been discussing this for a while, and it seems legit. So here's what you do. Reveal Sharon's showcase price first, then when you reveal the price of Terry's showcase I want you to sell it. Seriously Sell It. Like it were the most exciting win this show has ever seen. What happens next hasn't been seen in 35 years on this show. This is huge. In fact, this might make or break your future on Price, it's that huge. I'm serious. Now, go out there and give it all you got."

How many moments from the Barker era have been repeated over and over on clip shows and the like? This qualifies as one of them - except that it's missing the one thing it truly needed - excitement from the host. I'm very disappointed.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: FPGWillyT on December 16, 2008, 04:15:24 PM
And with all due respect to Voltron, he was SPECIFICALLY TOLD BY THE PRODUCERS DO NOT HELP CONTESTANTS BY SHOUTING UP PRICES.  It was the day he was told he went into that studio and said "Well if I "finger" up numbers that's fine".

Ted did not solicit people in line to look to him.  He was just as wrong as he was right.  And bottom the show could have handled this situation much much better than it did.

Over the years there have been numerous occasions where an ARP was a round # like $17,700.  That's way more of a gamble for someone to nail an EXACTA than anything else.  And maybe if someone else actually put today's showcases together, there wouldn't have been this room for a possible EXACTA.  







Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 16, 2008, 04:15:56 PM
Joe, I can't argue with that.

Even though it smelled rotten, they had to play it out.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 04:17:35 PM
There was a very long stopdown between the showcases and the reveal, and lots of conversations going on all over the stage between groups of people.  I really don't think they knew how to proceed, since this wasn't like somebody bidding $17500 and being on the nose. ...
Well well well, I can't believe I missed this before...

This explains everything. There is a decent chance that Sharon told Terry to listen to YOU, Ted, or, at least, you were a good source of help. And Sharon would have gone right back to YOU, Ted, and cleaned house. I assume you gave help to Sharon too (nice job there too).

Again, I do not defend Drew, but this is probably why his inconsistency shows up again here - the worry of rigging.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: tpirfan28 on December 16, 2008, 04:18:37 PM
If I were Fingers, I'd be telling him something along these lines: <snippity>
Yeah, I bet Fingers didn't say a word...other than "reveal Sharon's first".

Any Number was really fun today...especially after the contestant interaction before it.  That was good.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: dh027 on December 16, 2008, 04:22:53 PM
  After this incident, I should never have to explain again why Drew is a bad host of The Price Is Right.  This should speak for itself.

Amen, Brother Nick!  I think the garbage can from the open would have done a better job with the showcase reveal.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Briguy on December 16, 2008, 04:24:36 PM
Even though a win like today's is a rare feat, in the rules it says the contestant just wins both showcases.  The show just won't hand out over $50,000 just because of today's event.

Now hold on there. This is a rare feat. Drew's hosting performance in the reveal notwithstanding (I haven't seen it yet, so I can't comment on that), there MUST be some reward for hitting the ARP right on the nose. I once thought $1 million, but that would be really blowing the budget ... so $50,000 is enough.

Call it luck, call it pricing knowledge ... it's a feat that deserves extra reward rather than simply "everything in both showcases." That should be — and should have been all along — in the rules (as an unstated rule, certainly, but a rule just the same). It's no different than Superball!!, when a contestant won $3,000 for perfect play.

Just my two cents worth ...

Brian
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: greg on December 16, 2008, 04:25:51 PM
I learned something new today.  I would have never imagined they would blacklist people from the audience for shouting out good bids......Drew always goes out of his way to encourage audience participation.
Exciting games today.  One Away had a very good win.  As did Any Number.
  Terrible loss in It's In The Bag & Switch?
  I loved seeing Swap Meet even though it was sort of bland.
The showcases were very well done today.  VERY exciting win!  :-D :-D
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rob79 on December 16, 2008, 04:29:13 PM
Amen, Brother Nick!  I think the garbage can from the open would have done a better job with the showcase reveal.

Yeah, it would have showed more enthusiasm than what Drew showed that's for sure.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JokerFan on December 16, 2008, 04:29:44 PM
Isn't this the same Drew Carey that almost had a seizure after an exciting Lucky Seven win earlier in the season?
This is also the same Drew Carey that got excited over a contestant breaking the Plinko record on December 25, 2007.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ton80 on December 16, 2008, 04:31:14 PM
Quote from: Joe_Capitano
(As to what Fingers might have said.) "We've been discussing this for a while, and it seems legit."

I'm not going to disagree with you, Joe.  I think you are right.  I'm just going to play Devil's Advocate.

IF Drew thought that maybe there was something fishy about this win, at least it would explain WHY he was so unenthusiastic. 

During that 45 minute stopdown, maybe they did go and look at the tape and found Ted and his bid suggestion.  Maybe they discussed it with S&P, and decided there was nothing they could do but go along with the win.  After all, Ted did nothing wrong.  That doesn't mean that they were happy about it.  In the producers' eyes, this Exacta may be considered "tainted".    [/Devil's Advocate]

Again, I do think Drew blew it.  I think there is nothing wrong with what Ted did, and I think this should have been one of the most exciting moments in TPIR history.

Instead, it will go down as one of the most disappointing moments - not for the bid, but for the reveal.

By the way, Congratulations Ted (and I mean that sincerely) on a very good bid!!  Congrats to Terry for listening!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 04:32:41 PM
Ton80 echos my sentiments down to the letter.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: wink87 on December 16, 2008, 04:34:06 PM
I remember in a 1990 episode in which Ted was in the audience, the first item up for bids on the show, he shouted out a price and it turned out to be exactly right. He's definetly a LFAT. There's no reason why he shouldn't have helped the contestant win.

I think the audience has been helping contestants since the early days of the show as well.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: djryan on December 16, 2008, 04:34:30 PM
Not sure if I'm welcome at Studio 33 anymore, but I'm sure I'll find out one of these days...

Well, if they didn't let you back, that would be ridiculous!  I mean, paying attention to prices that well, it shows you're a big fan of the show.  For years, participants in the audience always help out contestants, so because someone knows prices better than others would be  disqualified to be in the audience???...STUPID!!!  It's called beating TPIR at their own game!!

Look at Michael Larson on Press Your Luck...he memorized the board pattern to rake in over $110,000.  Did he cheat, NO!  He beat PYL at their own game!!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Briguy on December 16, 2008, 04:39:51 PM
What I'd really like to know is whether someone called Drew over to discuss things with him. If I were Fingers, I'd be telling him something along these lines:  ...

Well, I just saw a clip of the DSW "perfect bid" on YouTube. Yeah, it did lack excitement. But I also, after reading Joe's comment above, now wonder the same thing he is ... did the producers specifically call Drew over to talk about this event?

See, this is what I'm talking about with the $50,000 bonus. And there's more ... much more that could have been done. What about confetti and balloons dropping from the ceiling? Yeah, it would be too obvious to stop tape and put all this up in between the Showcase presentation and the ARP reveal, but still there has to be something to really make this exciting to the home AND studio audiences. Draw the celebration out ... invite the audience to storm the stage and celebrate with the contestant ... DO SOMETHING to make it a big, big, BIG deal!

So even if we get a run-of-the-mill showcase reveal like we did from Drew, something can make up for it.

Yeah, we wonder, if only Bob were here ... and the list goes on (Pat Sajak, Geoff Edwards, etc.). You get the point.

Brian
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Roland on December 16, 2008, 04:40:48 PM
It probably would've been nice if Drew was more enthusiastic about the exact showcase bid. However, I still think seeing somebody get the showcase bid exactlt right was very exciting even if Drew wasn't. We probably might never see another TPIR phenomenon like this again.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 16, 2008, 04:42:12 PM
And for the record, Terry was listening to me when he switched those prices.  Here's a case where knowing too much about the prices caused me to be wrong.  All the exercise equipment (as of September 22nd) had prices that ended in "0", "5", or "9" and the computers typically have wonky prices that end in odd numbers (like "44").  That was what my decision was based on, plus knowing that the computer prices are all over the place. 
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 04:53:55 PM
It was two bikes, though - so while $1822 is indeed a weird price for each, that rule overrided the one you're referring to.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JokerFan on December 16, 2008, 04:59:07 PM
Forgive me if this may appear obvious:

Taping was stopped for a while during the Showcase because of Terry's EXACTA.  There was discussion with S&P.  There was the idea that it was possible that Terry might have cheated.  Why was there this idea?  An EXACTA was bound to happen--it's been about 36 1/2 years since TPIR began.  In fact, twice when I played along, I had an EXACTA and I knew, at most, one prize (if any).  Did this same thing happen whenever Check Out is played perfectly?  Or when Check Game is played perfectly?  Or when Dice Game was played perfectly?  (Okay, the last one might be an exception, since there is a lot of luck involved.)  Did this happen in the 70s nighttime show when this also happened?

I hope this doesn't mean it will be excluded from possible episodes to rerun during breaks.

It also amazed me to see that Drew, who (according to us) put too much excitement in Taylor's Lucky $even win, put no excitemement in Terry's perfect bid.

Today was an exciting show, historic too, only the 2nd time in the history of TPIR that a contestant got the showcase on the nose.
It should also be noted that the last time was on the nighttime show, not the Bob/Drew era of the show.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Flerbert419 on December 16, 2008, 05:00:05 PM
This is why the producers of the show need to be especially careful when choosing prizes for showcases.  Looking at the prizes in this exacta showcase, they are items that have been used several times before, without variation.

I've honestly never seen a showcase that was begging for an exacta as much as this one.  The VocoPro we've seen lots, the Golden West pool table has been used as an IUFB for quite some time now, and the Hi Lo trailer has pretty much been the same price too.  You can't put those three items together without throwing in something that people haven't necessarily nailed the price of.

Replacing the pool table with a computer might have worked.  Having a trip at the end would be a good showcase, assuming it was a fairly expensive one.  A car at the end would be fine, too.

But whoever thought up this showcase just got a sharp reminder that price hunters are out there, and they aren't going to get lazy.

We know the prices.  We know the prizes.  We will take CBS for all of it if given the opportunity.

Nice job, Ted, with the exacta.  You've proven that you are an LFAT time and time again.  I only hope that this doesn't mean automatic banishment to the last row.

Voltaire has said it's a cold and lonely place...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Drewfan2008 on December 16, 2008, 05:01:02 PM
Reading everything that actually went down at the studio that day, I am not as angry with Drew as I was earlier.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Grammar-Nazi on December 16, 2008, 05:06:48 PM
I don't put the blame on Drew for the reveal, I place it on the producers who should have told him how significant this was. Though Drew himself should have realized that, even if he thought the win was tainted, the average viewers at home have no idea this is the fact, and this is all about showmanship.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 16, 2008, 05:11:06 PM
You know why Drew was monotonous at the end? Because he realized SOMEONE ELSE helped him get that EXACTA. Someone else had those prices (well-done, random audience member) memorized. ...

This is certainly a possibility.  But how do we KNOW this?  How can we be sure that this wasn't just a monotone Drew?  I would almost hold a meeting on whether or not Drew should remain host after such a horrible reveal.  I would ask him if he still cares about the show, and if his perceptions have changed in a negative way in the last year?  It sure sounds like they have.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: crazypackersfan on December 16, 2008, 05:13:20 PM
I don't care how suspicious Drew was. This is a TV show. Drew is supposed to at least make it exciting for us viewers at home. When he read that price, I had no idea whether the contestant had won or lost, because of his monotone voice. My sister, watching it as well, was even more disgusted with Drew's performance than I was. To ruin one of the greatest moments in the history of The Price Is Right, Drew Carey is not just a terrible host, he not only deserves to be fired, but he is the worst host of a major game show - ever, and this was the worst hosting performance ever done. I may never watch The Price Is Right again after today, because I can be sure that Drew can ruin anything, absolutely anything, even an exact bid on a showcase. Maybe he'd ruin a legit $50,000 Plinko win, it's possible. I have given this guy every chance possible, and I'm through. I mean, I haven't liked it for a while, but at least I'd still watch the show, even for unintentional humor. That's it. The Price Is Right, to me, is dead as a currently-running show. Instead, it will live on to me in old videos with Bob Barker hosting, as well as board games and electronic games where Drew can't ruin anything. This is the last straw. The white flag Willy held up? That's what I'm holding up now, as it is over. Drew Carey has ruined The Price Is Right, and I'm through with watching his dreadful performances.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: wrikent3500 on December 16, 2008, 05:23:30 PM
If that was me today hosting...i`d have held back a second...said...we don`t normally do this...but,take a look at this card here...tell,us the price on it...you have a perfect showcase bid...on the money...you have got both showcases...
Usual plugs and sign off..
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rob79 on December 16, 2008, 05:38:00 PM
Reading everything that actually went down at the studio that day, I am not as angry with Drew as I was earlier.

Sooooooooo those LFAT who know their prices are the ones to be angry at, they're the ones to blame for Drew's tone?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: chad1m on December 16, 2008, 05:41:30 PM
Sooooooooo those LFAT who know their prices are the ones to be angry at, they're the ones to blame for Drew's tone?
Being a loyal friend and true is one thing. Being obsessive is quite another. I consider myself a decent fan of the show, maybe even an "LFAT". I can tell you how much a can of salsa costs and how much that mini-pack of Chips Ahoy! is worth or whether or not that Ford is going to end in a "0" or a "3", but I can't combine the value of three different Showcase values.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Drewfan2008 on December 16, 2008, 05:42:41 PM
Being a loyal friend and true is one thing. Being obsessive is quite another.
Exactly.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: whewfan on December 16, 2008, 05:45:14 PM
Aside from Drew's lackluster reveal, I actually thought this was one of THE best shows of Season 37! The trashcan thing... okay that was dumb and silly. However, Drew's reaction to the One Away player as she came on down, and later played her pricing game, were also great moments for the show. Also, the Any Number player that PICKED UP DREW. If Bob was in that spot, we'd probably see the end of Bob.

The contestants modeling... great! The trip showcase didn't bother me at all.

I do think that Drew's reveal was possibly one of "well, I think you had some help, but here we go." It's also possible that Drew was just tired after the long stopdown.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ClockGameJohn on December 16, 2008, 05:46:13 PM
Here's another thought.  If they don't want the potential contestants memorizing prices and using that to their advantage, then STOP USING THE SAME PRIZES OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER again!!

Use a prize once, or twice, or even three times, but they've offered that trailer so many times now, even Joe Plinko knows its exact price!!

I always thought this was a perfect marketing ploy for the show.  You reward your loyal viewers for watching.  Duh!  Sure, it might feel redundant (to us) at times, but rarely do we see the exact same prizes several days in the same week.

Bob used to say "You see, if you watch our show as often as [contestant], it pays off!  Enjoy your new car!"  Some of the best contestants on the show were loyal viewers who memorized prices.  Buy or Sell Michael was such a treat. 

How often does it really happen that someone memorizes the prices?  Not often enough to be worried about it.

I congratulate Ted for his excellent pricing abilities!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: WarioBarker on December 16, 2008, 06:06:38 PM
I saw the reveal...Drew's hosting was incredibly HORRID. I don't care if it was "tainted", Drew should've hosted this reveal like a PRO, not some twit who has all but convinced me that this show will not see Season 38.

If that was me today hosting...I'd have held back a second...said..."We don't normally do this...but take a look at this card here...tell us the price on it...you have a perfect Showcase bid...on the money...you have got both Showcases..." ...Usual plugs and sign-off...

Here's my take.
 "Alright, Sharon, you bid $30,525 on your Showcase. Actual retail PRICE - thirty-one thousand and nineteen, a difference of... (ding) $494! That was a very good bid, my dear!"

*moves over to Terry's podium* "Now, if you're closer, you'll win, Terry. Your bid - you remember your bid?"

"$23,743."

"That's exactly it. Actual retail price - ...the audience will remain quiet, please. Thank you.

Twenty-three thousand...SEVEN-FORTY-THREE! (clangs/whoops/etc.) HOLY CRAP! You got it exact - you got the EXACT price, man! You won $56,437 worth of prizes today, and I can;t think of a better way to close the show. You know, the last time this happened the host was Dennis James? Again, congratulations - and... (grabs price tag and envelope) Here. THIS is a souvenir, my friend!"

*walks to Sharon* "Sharon, my dear, thanks for being here. I hope you enjoyed yourself. You made a rather good bid, so don't feel bad for yourself. Hey, FOLKS, I'm Daniel Benfield saying don't miss the show tomorrow 'cause if you do then we'll miss you - and you might miss a moment like this. Make it a good day, my friends. GOODBYE, EVERYONE!"

(standard credits)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: childd82 on December 16, 2008, 06:08:38 PM
There is something that I don't think anyone has considered. If everyone was having 45 minutes of conversation and they thought the bid was iffy, maybe they told Drew to not get excited about it incase they later decided for some reason that he cheated so they weren't going to give him the prizes.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: greg on December 16, 2008, 06:23:19 PM
You really think he was privy to that information?  I figured he went to his dressing room & ate doughnuts or something while they had the meeting.  When he came back they told him who to start with.  It just seems like he wouldn't even want to be included in a producers meeting.  Why would he care?  He likes to see people win, but most of the other stuff , he acts like it doesn't concern him.....
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 16, 2008, 06:24:30 PM
You really think he was privy to that information?  I figured he went to his dressing room & ate doughnuts or something while they had the meeting.

Umm... Drew sticks around during the stop downs, just like Bob did, though most of the time, the host is just entertaining the audience during those stop downs. So unless Fingers called him over to the table, he probably wasn't privy to what was going on. Maybe Ted could provide us with some insight as to what Drew was doing during this stop down...

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I think Drew was in complete shock and total disbelief that the bid was exactly right, especially with that odd amount. Does it excuse the way he revealed it? No.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Teddy on December 16, 2008, 06:28:09 PM
At least he was more excited with the first-ever million-dollar win last year. If they showed him a clip of Adam's win, maybe this will inspire him to get back to the level of Season 36. It will take some time, but it can be done. Again, I'm glad that I lived to finally see the Showcase's first-ever perfect bid in daytime.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 06:34:02 PM
There is something that I don't think anyone has considered. If everyone was having 45 minutes of conversation and they thought the bid was iffy, maybe they told Drew to not get excited about it incase they later decided for some reason that he cheated so they weren't going to give him the prizes.
Since this episode is out of order by 3 weeks late, that's quite a possibility...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: sideshowPA on December 16, 2008, 06:35:56 PM
The more I think about this, the more I wonder about what was said in the 45-minute stop-tape.  

Could it be that the decision was made to continue with the reveals, but that the general feeling was that this show was never going to see the light of day, pending review?  This could account for much of Drew's general apathy here.  

I'm not saying that this excuses Drew's weak ending today, but I wonder what the mind-set of the producers was as tape began rolling again.

EDIT - the previous post contains the same concept, but I'll just piggy-back on it
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: The_Great_Butler on December 16, 2008, 06:36:41 PM
Everything was going good for this show---except for Pick-A-Number being played---until Drew hosted that history-making moment in a way that would make Barry Gray cry. Disgraceful.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Mallory16 on December 16, 2008, 06:38:32 PM
Someone tell me if I'm just crazy, but Karen looked a LOT like Janice!  Just to drive that point in further, she got to be one of the models in the first showcase, and was undoubtedly the best of the three models.  Really, she did well for having it thrown right on her like that.  Joseph's modeling was kinda' the funniest, though, not even pretending he had any clue how he was supposed to be doing things :oldlol:!  Leizl seemed more like a Price is Right parody model, or something.  Which is understandable, really, since it was just sprung on them out of the blue.

Really, that may have been the best "Drew showcase" all season!  On the other hand, it was, surprisingly, the "Every Trip in the House" showcase that sucked.  Inappropriate music cue, and horrible trip introductions ruined the classic theme.

Why did the camera continually shoot Sharon at odd angles when she was in contestants' row?  I'm not sure what was up with that, but Sharon was a pretty awesome contestant, so excited, and nervous, and everything.  So glad she won that car!  And so disappointed when her showcase difference of $494 was revealed first, since I pretty much knew it meant she lost.

...on the other hand, a perfect showcase bid!  That was both incredible to see, and... well, disappointing, at the same time.  That may have been Drew's absolute worst moment of hosting the show ever.  What the hell kind of "reveal" was that?!  I don't care about the situation:  Drew's on national television, and it's appalingly unprofessional of him to act in such manner over the historic showcase win!

Bart, this new Swap Meet reveal sucks.  Seriously, I was confused as to what the heck they were playing at first.

Quote from: GoldenBulldog
HOWEVER...I share a personal responsibility for helping a contestant named Summer win "Switch?" on the show that aired on April 11 (last season), because I was in the front row that day.

I don't think only helping a contestant win a random playing of Switch? is likely to raise many eyebrows ;).

Quote from: ThunderE6
That fact sure did take the fun out of what I saw today.

I'm not sure why.  Drew's lackluster reveal may have killed some of the excitment, granted, but why would an audience member helping out the contestant put a damper on the win?  Realistically, the only other way we'd ever get an exacta is if a contestant lucked into one with a rare showcase that ends in "000."  I really can't figure out why you would be personally offended.

Quote from: Nick
You know, if the three from the Row could have done an actually half-decent job modeling those prizes, instead of leaning all over them like Joseph did with the pool table, it might have been something great;

Watch again:  Karen did a surprisingly good job with the trailer.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 16, 2008, 06:43:21 PM
Having some TV experience, here's what I see.

That 45-minute stopdown is murder for on-air performance. I have to say that certainly breaks any kind of mental continuity. That said, when the red light goes on, you must be on. It doesn't matter how tired you are, you are a professional. I had a situation where food got stuck in my lower esophagus. I did the 10:00 news and then drove right to the hospital. Only one person in the control room knew ahead of time, and nobody realized that there was a problem.

I don't put the blame on Drew for the reveal, I place it on the producers who should have told him how significant this was.

Sorry, a professional is always aware of the significance of the situation. I once stopped a parade for two minutes to get an interview with the honoree's family. The parade organizers were pissed, but it was my judgment that this moment was too much to pass up.

Lost in the exacta was the first bid: no mention by The Host that it was a spectacular bid, off by $400-(too-lazy-to-scroll-up)-ish. And no matter what the personal feelings of cheating or not, that should not have affected The Host's ability to perform. This is not episodic television -- there is no producer asking for a re-take. I realize time was at a premium, but edits can be made, credits can be shortened to free up 15 extra seconds.

I seem to remember the first $1M prize was, as I thought at the time, "dispensed with rather quickly."
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 16, 2008, 07:07:45 PM
The stopdown was NOT 45 minutes, at least not in my recollection.  Maybe more like 15 to 20.  As I posted earlier, lots of conversations were taking place across the stage.  I already suspected Terry had a perfect bid because the moment he announced his bid, Kathy walked over and stared into the puppet theater screen.  I'm sure some communication was happening even then.  By the time they went to commercial, probably just about every staff member knew what was going on. 

Kathy spoke to Drew and although he was trying to keep a poker face, I could tell he was being told something significant.  They also had a cameraman take shots of Terry's wife and me (although the red light wasn't on, I could tell that's what they were doing, since the camera was looking right at her and right at me a few moments later).  During the stopdown,  they played jazzy music to keep the audience pumped and Drew did NOT retire to his dressing room, but stayed on stage the whole time while decisions were being made.

Having now perused the show a bit, did anybody notice that they avoided shooting me at all during the one-bids?  I don't know if that was done during the taping or in post-production (I would imagine it would be very hard to edit to look the way it did on TV), but they always cut back to Drew when the bidder in the #3 position bid and then had a close up of the bidder in the #4 position.  Perhaps they knew ahead of time that I was a "ringer" as it were and avoided showing me giving any perfect bids on the air.  But it had been over two years since I had been there, so I kind of doubt that.

Oh, and thank you, John, for your well wishes.  :-)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 16, 2008, 07:21:00 PM
Having now perused the show a bit, did anybody notice that they avoided shooting me at all during the one-bids?  I don't know if that was done during the taping or in post-production (I would imagine it would be very hard to edit to look the way it did on TV)

I was trying to figure out why they did that. It was definitely fixed in post. I wonder how that looked in 16:9.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceRox on December 16, 2008, 07:26:09 PM
After reading the recap here about what happened, I decided to watch the show online.  (My co-workers won't watch at work anymore and I stopped recording it)

As the show was progressing, especially with One Away, I really remember why The Price is Right put such a smile on my face every day.  Sharon was such a memorable contestant and just seeing her genuine reactions really, really made my entire day.  To me, it reminded me of the days where the show wasn't so concerned with spiffy prizes or green screens or anything other than making someone really enjoy their day.

Then Drew blows the entire day by making me remember why I no longer watch.  What a shame to see him singlehandledly destroy an American tradition.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Todd on December 16, 2008, 07:26:41 PM
Ok, time for my actual breakdown of the rest of the show, since I haven't posted it yet. Minus the showcase reveal, Drew was on his A game today!

Pre-Any#: There's some nice interaction with Drew and a contestant! I loved this bit with David! :D

Any#: Terrible editing here, but a nice comeback from David, we get to see the CBS curtains, and we get to see Drew lifted high into the air!

Pre-IUFB2: Some more nice interaction, but yet again some bad editing.

IITB: Is this the second time in a row someone who would've had the win bailed out?

IUFB3: CLANGER!

SCSD1: Oh, now even Price is trashing Vista! :P

One Away: Yay! Sound effects lady is back and better than ever! Sharon was one of the best contestants this season, hands down.

SCSD2: "Showcases are next, best part of the show, you don't wanna miss it!" Hmm, trying to tell us something Drew? :P

SC1: This was a great showcase! An awesome idea and it worked really well! Oh, and Frank, I thought the exact same thing about Karen.
SC2: Well, that's a cool use of the green screen.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 16, 2008, 07:30:03 PM
Thanks Ted for your insight,

I agree with everyone.  You did NOTHING wrong,  In fact you did everything right!  If the producers are concerned over a perfect showcase bid where a LFAT knew the combined prices of the prizes, they should use different products in rotation more often.

Don't blame the veteran viewers of the show.  This brings to mind, what Bob would have done in this situation?  Obviously he would have done this historic reveal 1000x better than what Drew did.  But I wonder if the same "attitudes" would have been in the air if Bob and Roger had been there?  I wonder if they know about this?  I would love to hear their thoughts!

Obviously, you can't mention names Ted, but after the ARP of the Showcase Reveal, did any audience members, or staffers, look to you or speak to you specifically as in "What does he know?" kind of thing?

Anyway, I hope if you go back for more tapings that you are NOT signaled out in any way.  To do that would be a great injustice to you.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 16, 2008, 07:40:22 PM
Of course, there's a possibility that we're all overlooking:

Ted's contribution notwithstanding, it's entirely possible that the contestant is one of those who watches the show regularly and carefully enough to make reliable mental notes of prizes and prices. I'm not saying I'd be able to do this, but if you see the same prizes over and over again (as many have commented is going on this season), it's not out of the question that an attentive player would be able to remember the right three prices at the right time, and add them up perfectly.

In other words, Terry may really, honestly, be the best Showcase player in over 36 years.

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 07:41:58 PM
He would have been able to win "Switch?" if that was so, and then he was looking directly at the audience (Ted) during his bid, so it's very doubtful.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: tpirfan28 on December 16, 2008, 07:43:38 PM
I'm going to make a statement slightly off the current topic of the uber-win.

Did anyone else think Showcase #2 (ye Every Trip in The House) lost every single drop of excitement with the green screens?  And did it look really really bad with the cheap "house" they framed them in?  And apparently South Africa isn't known for anything?  Most likely unintentional, but it was really cool how there was a music bridge between the airfare/hotel and rental car/second half of the South Africa description.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rodroddyfan on December 16, 2008, 07:51:35 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was everyone reaction in chat when the exacta happened.  I was like oh my god a exacta.  I agree with everyone else though, drew blew it all with his reveal.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 16, 2008, 08:17:43 PM
Obviously, you can't mention names Ted, but after the ARP of the Showcase Reveal, did any audience members, or staffers, look to you or speak to you specifically as in "What does he know?" kind of thing?

Nobody said anything to me.  Not nobody!  Not nohow!  ;-)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 16, 2008, 08:29:01 PM
Quote
Ted's contribution notwithstanding, it's entirely possible that the contestant is one of those who watches the show regularly and carefully enough to make reliable mental notes of prizes and prices.

Exactly John!

If LFAT's like many of the regulars of the board are able to go to the show to help contestants win, they should be rewarded, not punished.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 16, 2008, 08:34:27 PM
The second part of One Away today was some of the best hosting I've ever seen from Drew...although it certainly didn't hurt that he had a wonderful contestant to work with in Sharon.

The Showcase, though...wow.  While that bid was absolutely incredible, Drew's reaction to it was...barely a reaction.  I can't believe somebody could be so disinterested in one of the most exciting things to ever happen on their own show.

Speaking of that...does anyone find it appropriate now that the Big Doors opened on a garbage can today during Drew's entrance?

On a less important note, I can't say I cared for the new Everytrip prop.  It's just bland.  Showcase #1 was good, though...very, very creative idea.

Drew did keep the "sound effects lady" gag in today. Probably, other than Sharon's One away win, the best moment of the show.

Folks, please keep in mind that this episode was aired out of order.

You know why Drew was monotonous at the end? Because he realized SOMEONE ELSE helped him get that EXACTA. Someone else had those prices (well-done, random audience member) memorized. While I absolutely agree he SHOULD have been much more excited, I think that's why he got so down, which is weird, because he's supposed to love big wins.

So what?  Part of Drew's job is to act excited about things like that even if he really isn't.  You can bet your ass Bob wouldn't have blown it off that way.

At first, I smelled a rigging on that number. Now that I know that some person memorized the prices on all of the items and yelled it out to the contestants... well, I'm not sure what to think.

That fact sure did take the fun out of what I saw today.

Oh, come on.  Ted is probably the only person in the entire country who could have caused something like this.  I don't think anybody could have concluded that it had been caused by anything else, anyway...and really, I think it's pretty cool that one of our own prominent members -- in fact, the one who figured out in the first place that paint sealant and fabric protectant was what made car prices end in weird numbers -- is the one who made it happen.

I'm hoping the production staff learns from this and works harder on getting new items that people can't memorize.

Okay.  How many of those prices did you know?

And folks...can we please have a small reality check here?  No showcase is "begging for a perfect bid."  99.99% of viewers DO NOT KNOW these prices.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: tpirman1982 on December 16, 2008, 08:49:57 PM
Oh, my gosh!
That was so amazing! Terry got his showcase bid exactly right.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on December 16, 2008, 08:51:09 PM
if the staff suspects that if an LFaT, who absorbs prices like sponges, helps out your average contestant, then he/she will be moved.  It happened to Voltaire, Willy, and A.J. (Armadillo)

Hold on a second here...what?  That's news to me.  Unless something very strange is going on, this has NOT happened to me.  I've been to nine tapings, and the complete sum of prizes I've personally helped people win is two IUFB's.

Please don't give them any ideas.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: GoldenBulldog on December 16, 2008, 08:56:55 PM
I ain't givin' them no ideas; I'm just trying to absorb what I've read in the past.  I guess I must've misread something.

Geez Louise, I need a drink; could someone send me a keg of beer?  :pint:
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 09:02:56 PM
Army, I understand...I'm not defending Drew at all...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TheBigAK on December 16, 2008, 09:04:53 PM
Just out of curiosity, what was everyone reaction in chat when the exacta happened. 

I was thinking the same thing...Can we get a transcript of today's chat?  :)

Trash can opening??  No way to defend this one, it was garbage.   STUPID    I think I've done a 180 on my opinion of the goofy entrances.

That reveal was TERRIBLE.   What I find even more puzzling was, couldn't they have found a way to reshoot that and do some sort of edit?

On the fliop side, Drew was great in One Away today.

Anyone else sick of seeing Pick A Number yet?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on December 16, 2008, 09:06:34 PM
Army, I understand...I'm not defending Drew at all...
....wha?  Obviously you don't, because I wasn't referring to anything other than Bulldog's (mistaken) belief that I was no longer welcome in the studio.

In fact, for all the good I did at the MDS's, they'd probably welcome me in the studio right now.  ;)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Wayoshi on December 16, 2008, 09:08:07 PM
Sorry. I'm feeling misunderstood today trying to piece together what went behind the scenes. :P
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Chief-O on December 16, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
Time for me to speak up, based on what I've read.....

Personally, I think this is just the TPIR equivalent of Michael Larson's $110K+ haul on PYL. It may look like there was some cheating, but in all, it's legal. Larson knew the board had a pattern to it, so he used that to his advantage and...well, you know. Ted knew the prices of those prizes, and passed them to Terry. I don't think that would've been cheating unless Terry, Ted, or someone close to either of them had a physical list, access to the Internet, etc. It also helps when the prizes in the SC are commonly seen on the show. I know the VocoPro's been on a few times. Same with the pool table. And the Hi-Lo trailer is definitely a common sight in the SC's. Any Joe Plinko could see those prizes enough times to know what they cost [just as many of us know the V8 is always $3.15].

I can only think of how things could've been if message boards existed in 1984----people would no doubt have accused Michael Larson of cheating. Heck, I can only think that what happened behind the scenes in that case may have been similar to what happened here---a stopdown, with the producers contemplating, "is this guy cheating!?". Yes, PYL and Price are 2 different shows. But what I've read in this thread has me believing that this is, as with Larson, a case of someone legitimately knowing something, and using it to their---or in this case, another contestant's---advantage. Just that the producers wanted to make sure things were kosher. And to find out if things are kosher, unfortunately, does require a bit of paranoia on the staff's part.

Otherwise, yes---I do think Drew could've handled it better. If he smelled a rat, he shouldn't have let it show on air.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Flerbert419 on December 16, 2008, 09:18:43 PM
Anyone else sick of seeing Pick A Number yet?

No.  Last time it was played was November 19th, almost a month ago.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Corbinq27 on December 16, 2008, 09:19:18 PM
I'm sorry this is off the topic of todays recap (what an amazing showcase win! I ran through my house and made everyone watch it again on the DVR!!!)

But I would also like to mention that, for reasons unknown to me, when I went to my 3rd ever taping on August 3rd, I too was moved from my cozy seat in the second row to a seat probably in the 8th row in the middle.  For the life of me, I have no idea why I was moved.  Maybe it was because I had spoiled the purple wheel two weeks prior, or maybe it was because the show taped that day supposedly would have originally aired the day after the purple wheel episode I was at (although, I don't really think that was it...)

I did however mention to someone in earshot of a page that I was a GR.net-ter.  Again, I have never been given a formal explanation even though I have called CBS many times and sent letters.

For whatever reason, I was separated and unable to enjoy that show really being separated from my family and all (which was a different experience than what voltaire had happen to him)...

Take it for what you will.  Just know that I am a LFaT but even so that I don't know prizes for beans (at least in my opinion) and I have certainly never given anyone on the production staff a good reason to think I would be good at fingering or shouting prices. 
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: woohookitty on December 16, 2008, 09:26:21 PM
Quote
"Tennythreethousansevenhunnerdfortythree rightonthenoserightonthenose,hasnthappensince 72or73helpcontrolthepetpopulation..."

I may seriously be done watching the show.

He didn't say 72 or 73. The thing is, the show was in a time crunch because of the Every Trip in the House showcase (there's a reason why they don't do that one often). He was in a hurry...period. Again, I do wonder if anyone here will realize that time is the defining factor for much of his behavior. More enthusiasm would've been nice. But on the other hand, he has about 20 seconds to get off of the air, if that. Would Bob have been more enthusiastic? Probably but he didn't have time to put much more into it.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Drewfan2008 on December 16, 2008, 09:28:36 PM
He didn't say 72 or 73.
Actually, he did.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Cartboy on December 16, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
Any Number:  Great comeback! :-D
It's In The Bag:  Shoulda went all the way! :headbang:
Switch?:  Too bad! :-(
Swap Meet:  I didn't get to see this game today. :-(  For some reason, it cut to a commercial early.
One Away:  Another great car win! :-D
Pick A Number:  Good thing Julie changed her mind at the last second! :-)
Showcases:  Terry bidding right on the nose - UNBELIEVABLE!!!!! 8-O  :-o  :-D  Drew could've showed a little more excitement, though.  Having the three contestants who didn't win their way up on stage model the prizes in the first showcase was pretty neat! :-)  Neat setup for the Every Trip In The House showcase, too! :-)

Awesome show today (except for It's In The Bag), IMHO! :-D  :-D
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: woohookitty on December 16, 2008, 09:37:15 PM
Actually he did say 72 or 73. My bad
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: heelsrule1988 on December 16, 2008, 09:45:55 PM
Why the heck did Zachary walk away in It's In the Bag?! That was an obvious, surefire $16K the moment he picked the final GP.

These new showcases have generally been terrible, but every now and then, we'll see one that's actually awesome. The first showcase was an example of the latter. Very nice idea!

It's happened so many times in CSS, and finally, it happens on the show. About time we had an exacta! Drew's reaction was terrible, though. Did he use up all his enthusiasm on the car wins earlier or something? It seems like big money and car wins are the only thing Drew cares about.

BEST CONTESTANT OF THE DAY: Sharon
SHOW GRADE: 3
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 09:49:00 PM
And this HAD to be the episode that I had to miss since my local affiliate had technical difficulties for almost 3 hours. GRRR!!! lol. But yeah I'll be sure to watch this online.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThatDonGuy on December 16, 2008, 09:51:11 PM
What - am I the oldest person in this forum?  (47 in February)
Was everyone else too young to remember the first perfect showcase bid?
I can't believe I am the only one who remembers seeing it - and it was definitely a Barker daytime episode.
(I also remember (a) the winning bid was $2200, (b) the podium did say "00000" after the price was announced, and (c) it was before the Double Showcase Winner rule was introduced.)

I think I know why some people think it happened on the nighttime version; the only showcase tie I remember seeing in the show's history happened on a Dennis James nighttime show.

-- Don
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 16, 2008, 10:07:11 PM
What - am I the oldest person in this forum?

No, apparently you're the newest. :)

Was everyone else too young to remember the first perfect showcase bid?

I've been watching the show as long as you have (I was home from school on Labor Day 1972), but I didn't see the show with the original PB. It makes sense that it would have been on a price ending in 00, and in the days of four-digit Showcases (narrower range of possible bids). But I'm pretty sure that I remember reading that Bob told the player who was $2 away, several years later, that it was the closest bid ever. That may be why some of us think it was on a nighttime show - since $2 away was the closest bid Bob ever saw. Just a hunch.

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on December 16, 2008, 10:14:55 PM
No, apparently you're the newest. :)

Actually, his account was only created two months after yours.  :)

But I would also like to mention that, for reasons unknown to me, when I went to my 3rd ever taping on August 3rd, I too was moved from my cozy seat in the second row to a seat probably in the 8th row in the middle.  For the life of me, I have no idea why I was moved. 

Um...holy ****.  So much for my ever wanting to go to the studio again.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 16, 2008, 10:15:37 PM
He didn't say 72 or 73. The thing is, the show was in a time crunch because of the Every Trip in the House showcase (there's a reason why they don't do that one often). He was in a hurry...period. Again, I do wonder if anyone here will realize that time is the defining factor for much of his behavior. More enthusiasm would've been nice. But on the other hand, he has about 20 seconds to get off of the air, if that. Would Bob have been more enthusiastic? Probably but he didn't have time to put much more into it.

I have one word...BULLS**T!!! That's a horrible excuse, and you know it. Just take a look at all the other DSWs he's presided over, especially the other one this season, and you'll see...GASP!...EMOTION!!! This was inexcusable, and if you think a time crunch has anything to do with it, you are really mistaken.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: EaglesWings2008 on December 16, 2008, 10:19:46 PM
I did  not see the show b/c I was studying for an test I had to take tomorrow... May be they can re air it

Anywho if there is another perfect bid in the SC they should have ballons and stuff ready in case something likes this happens... 

Oj well Guess I have towatch it on Not a valid %s URL or something

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 16, 2008, 10:23:42 PM
Actually, his account was only created two months after yours.  :)

My comment was based on the fact that it was his first post. Of course, as soon as he says something else, his post count will go up and what I said will seem completely nonsensical. :)

John

EDIT to add the following: I just rewatched Terry's bid. Earlier, I speculated that maybe it was simply that a contestant had paid enough close attention to the show to memorize the right combination of prices and bid accordingly. On the basis of my rewatching him, I'd say that if he didn't get that bid from Ted or someone else, it's more likely that he simply blurted out a random number between 1 and 25,000 and happened to be right...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: tpiradam on December 16, 2008, 10:33:37 PM
the only thing i have to say about todays show is the reveal. IMO, it was horrible and i wasnt really excited about it at all. If Drew could be excited and all for a Lucky $even win, why cant he beexcited about a major event? That could have been an amazing finish to the show, if Drew showed a little more excitement. actual retail price...twentythreethousandsevenfortyth ree. He did great with the previous DSW reveal and it was only $129. This was on the nose. ok i think im done my rant now. Im just really starting to get tired of this unenthusiasm in the showcase reveals.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 16, 2008, 10:45:23 PM
OK...Now I'm watching the show in its entirety on CBS.com, and after Any Number, Drew exclaims, "The audience wins you a car!!!" Then to react the way he did for the showcase reveal is hypocritical. Either you like the audience help, or you don't. make up your mind.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 16, 2008, 10:51:24 PM
Axl (along with Ted in this forum) brought up something in the Talk forum that I would like to bring up here: Drew was obviously briefed on what was happening, and knew (somewhat) when the last time it happened; he knew what was up.

Although Drew should've acted like he was excited, I think knowing the result ahead of time really took away the possibility for an exciting reveal.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on December 16, 2008, 10:53:16 PM
OK...Now I'm watching the show in its entirety on CBS.com, and after Any Number, Drew exclaims, "The audience wins you a car!!!" Then to react the way he did for the showcase reveal is hypocritical. Either you like the audience help, or you don't. make up your mind.

QFT.

Someone needs to write this up, print it out, and put it on the door of every single Power That May or May Not Be over at Television City tomorrow.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 10:55:19 PM
Today's episode was the best this season imo. Lots of great wins. Drew was pretty good though I didn't like how he went in Sharon's face when she came to contestant's row. It reminded me of an sketch from a comedy show. Also his entrance was "complete fail". You can clearly see him push the garbage can out.  Anyways, this was sooo meant to be a 6 for 6 day. The guy should have went on with it's in the bag. Also "Switch?" was set up to be won. No excuse for him to lose. I find it interesting that he lost on the switch gimme and yet he had the showcase right on the nose. I honestly think something fishy happened since he got that on the nose and he also got his IUFB on the nose too. It makes me wonder if he lost Switch on purpose. Another reason I say this is because of Drew's reaction to him getting his showcase right on the nose. Drew seemed like he knew something we didn't know. I heard that this episode was pushed back... I can see why. Hopefully we don't have another "21" on our hands. It would be sad to see TPiR go down like that. But anyways, I thought today's showcases were pretty good.

*Any Number: What a win! Down to the wire!

*It's in the Bag: Shoulda kept going! Forget the audience!

*Switch: Like I said... this was such a gimme.

*Swap Meet: Another gimme.

*One Away: GREAT WIN!! Sharon was hilarious. Looks like the "sound effect lady" bit isn't done for...

*Pick A Number: This was really close to being a loss if it wasn't for her split second decision to change the number.

*Showcases:
#1- I loved this showcase! Nice audience participation.
#2- I laughed at this one. Might offend some though....

**BRAD'S BREAKDOWN**

Drew's Hosting: 8.0

Pricing Game lineup: 8.0

Pricing Game Wins: 8.0 (5/6 minus .5/10 for the contestant not going on in "It's in the Bag")

Writing (showcase/IUFB): 8.5

Tilt: 10 [Pretty good lineup. All of the contestants that came up on stage won something. A memorable One away win and also the showcase win at the end of the show (which I think there's something fishy going on). Best show of the season in my opinion and this wasn't purple wheel week!]


Final Score for Today's Episode: 8.5 out of 10
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 16, 2008, 10:55:54 PM
I think knowing the result ahead of time really took away the possibility for an exciting reveal.

Drew was hired on the fact that he has a mastery of performance and showmanship. He's fast becoming the Joe Buck of game shows.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: left4thehouse on December 16, 2008, 11:01:15 PM
It's been a while, why not now?

Any #: Nice comeback, help or no help. Drew, your feet may only touch the base of the prop.

IT'S: It is $2,000 more than you came to CBS with.

Switch?: Simple division. All it is is simple division.

Swap: Bart, is this intertship you're on last until the show ends? Just curious.

1A: That is how you do it. The car win as well as the sweet cartwheel.

PA#: Just break the prop already Drew.

Showcases: One last time Drew. Under $500 is dang good for the first reveal. If you know she did that without help, acknowledge it either to Sharon ("That's an excellent bid") or to Terry ("You better be lucky or good to come closer than $494 without going over on the trailer, etc.). You may have been "shocked" that someone did hit it on the nose, but give the moment its spotlight. You will be there tomorrow Drew; that opportunity to let everyone (emcee included) shine is gone.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 11:04:59 PM
Am I the only one that thinks something fishy happened on today's show?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Mallory16 on December 16, 2008, 11:07:54 PM
Bgamer, you really should read everyone else's posts in this thread.

On a related note, "8.0" for Drew's hosting?  May I ask why Drew deserves such a high score in the hosting category for today?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SamtheBravesFan on December 16, 2008, 11:10:25 PM
Am I the only one that thinks something fishy happened on today's show?

No, you're probably not.  I'm more apt to believe Ted, to be honest.  That scenario is quite plausible (predictable prizes and a knowledgeable audience member giving the ultimate piece of advice) and within the rules of the game.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 16, 2008, 11:11:42 PM
On a related note, "8.0" for Drew's hosting?  May I ask why Drew deserves such a high score in the hosting category for today?

Despite the fiasco at the end of the show, his hosting for the rest of the show was pretty good today in comparison to other days.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: dh027 on December 16, 2008, 11:12:06 PM
The more I watch the showcase reveal, the angrier and angrier I get at Drew.  Terry won the showcase fair and square - give the man his due.  If you can jump up and down like an ass at the most mundane of things, then why can't you show some emotion during arguably the most significant event in the show's history.

Then again, this is the man who screwed up Double Prices earlier in the season.  A trained monkey wouldn't have done that.  Him wheeling out the garbage can at the open was symbolic since he treats the show like garbage on a daily basis.

The show needs to be canceled or Drew needs to be fired immediately.  I can't take much more of this incompetent boob.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 11:13:35 PM
Bgamer, you really should read everyone else's posts in this thread.

On a related note, "8.0" for Drew's hosting?  May I ask why Drew deserves such a high score in the hosting category for today?

I'm sorry I didn't. It's a lot of pages to read and all I've seen was people blaming Drew for not being excited in the few pages before this. I'll be sure to do so though. Also I meant to put 7.0 instead of 8.0. Drew was decent but like I said, his entrance was terrible and I also didn't like how he went up to Sharon's face. I didn't factor in how he reacted to the showcase win since like I said before, I think something fishy happened (maybe I should have said that). I honestly don't think 1 point will matter in the overall (average) score though. It still should come out to 8.5 .
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Hag on December 16, 2008, 11:17:51 PM
A tremendous day, a historic day on TPIR, but I'm disappointed in the lack of reaction from Drew in revealing the perfect bid. Even if he knew what was going to happen, he could at least act surprised or excited.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 11:21:56 PM
See I don't know...

If news comes out somehow about this episode to the same caliber as "21" than I honestly appreciate the way Drew acted. No one could say "Drew played it off". But yeah... don't know for sure if he still should have acted excited.

On the other hand though, aren't game shows these days kept an major eye on now ever since what happened with "21"? I know it was true in the case of 70's game shows since that was "the game show comeback" decade
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: CrimsonViper on December 16, 2008, 11:33:36 PM
After reading more into the situation here, I guess I could understand it a little better.  Still, I think it was the most horrible, least exciting, and just downright flat-out bad hosting (or lack thereof) I've seen on the show.  I was absolutely clueless what was going on until they started flashing the DSW graphic and basically had to ask myself, "He just DSWed?"  Butwellifyoutalklikethisallthetimeeveryayonthejobpeoplearegoingtobeconfused.

Otherwise, besides that big anticlimatic situation at the end, the show was good.  Exciting contestants, exciting wins, gotta love the entire One Away segment, and getting models from the audience.  Are they trying to copy another show now? ;) 

Instead, I was left with a very bitter taste in my mouth.  Will I watch the trainwreck again tomorrow?  Absolutely. 
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 16, 2008, 11:39:14 PM
From the CBS Price boards (http://www.cbs.com/forum/posts/list/31447.page) thread about today's show...

Quote
Go to the home of the aspies aka Golden Road dot net and read about Ted Slauson. He's the one who gave him the bid. Terry owes Ted a few bucks imho. There's a big pissing contest there about the whole thing, but the main part is this, Drew TOTALLY BLEW THE FUN OF IT! I mean, he was like "oh well big fn deal!", and I've seen at least 40 other people say the same today. I have always been one to tell people to stop the Drew bashing, but there was no excuse for what he did. He had a chance to make a big deal about it(and it was, though people would have said he was over the top of course), and his writing of the showcases might be it. I've watched the show since the age of 2 and am seriously considering not watching it anymore.

Wow...the guy is right on the nose about the show, but insults us at the same time. Frankly, I believe that some people think we're spies, or do too much research, or watch so much that we're liabilities to the show, or whatever...it's sad. People who watch each day and want to talk about it should be rewarded, instead of being called "spies" or being told that there's a "pissing contest" going on on our boards. I take loads of offense to this guy, whomever he is.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 16, 2008, 11:43:43 PM
This is where I think the Drew bashing would have been inevitable. Like I said, if Drew did act excited and news came out that the contestant cheated somehow, people would be hating on Drew just like they are now since he would have played it off. But yeah this is going to be very interesting to see how this all turns out.

And I've been to many game show sites/forums and people do think the members here are crazy "spy-like" fans.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: drmusic_99 on December 16, 2008, 11:46:53 PM
Okay, kids, I'm gonna be the person who disagrees with the majority opinion on this one.

First of all, Drew certainly did blow the ending. I'm sure his mind was frazzled by what was going on, but it's no excuse.

Secondly, Terry is not to be blamed.

HOWEVER...

All it will take is a few people like Ted to ruin the show. Seriously. What fun is watching a game show in which everyone wins?

When Mark Goodson created a show in which audience members helped the contestants, I'm sure he never dreamed there would be a day in which uberfans kept track of every single prize and its ARP, showed up in the audience repeatedly and shouted exact prices.

Ted, you expressed a desire to help Terry win. Well, they can't all win. If you get up on stage yourself with your encyclopedic knowledge of the prize catalogue, and win, fair enough. But your good intentions in helping other contestants really does have the potential to ruin the game. Especially if there are more like you, and I'm sure there are.

And I think the producers are aware of this now, and freaking out. Maybe they're overreacting by banishing G-R.net members to the boondocks. But I can't say as I blame them at this point.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Pushover72 on December 16, 2008, 11:54:22 PM
Ted did nothing wrong and whoever helped him did nothing wrong.

I think it's a great concept to imply to the home audience that they should watch EVERYDAY so they can learn the prices of the prizes.  Because if they watch everyday and learn the prices, they too, can bid really good and win prizes, just like Ted did.

Ted (or his friend) was the best example of how watching everyday pays off!

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 17, 2008, 12:00:37 AM
But your good intentions in helping other contestants really does have the potential to ruin the game.

And what if Ted accidentally carried a 1 and Terry overbid by $10 or $100. Bottom line is, Ted relied on advice (a trusted source, since he got 5 hundy in his One Bid) and benefited from it. Contestants have already leaned on "encyclopedic knowledge" of the show and admitted to it.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceForever on December 17, 2008, 12:02:39 AM
I want to thank Drew for ruining the show with that horrible reveal.

Because you probably reacted on your personal feelings, you showed how unprofessional you are and how immature you are.

Drew has no business being a game show host...and I think this absolutely proves it!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 12:09:18 AM
^ Would you still be upset at him if news came out somehow that the contestant cheated? Would you still have liked him to play it off instead of showing how he truly felt about it?\

But anyways this is just crazy right here. I honestly think this is enough to make the show get canceled.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 17, 2008, 12:11:18 AM
Okay, kids, I'm gonna be the person who disagrees with the majority opinion on this one. ...

(snip!)

... And I think the producers are aware of this now, and freaking out. Maybe they're overreacting by banishing G-R.net members to the boondocks. But I can't say as I blame them at this point.

You know what?  Ted did nothing wrong.


^ Would you still be upset at him if news came out somehow that the contestant cheated? Would you still have liked him to play it off instead of showing how he truly felt about it?\

You still haven't read the thread, have you?


MOD NOTE: Consecutive posts merged, and one humongous quote truncated. Two lines and no more, please! - JC
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ABBA on December 17, 2008, 12:19:59 AM
Yeah I just watched that moment. He must have been having a bad day.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 17, 2008, 12:21:45 AM
You know what?  Ted did nothing wrong.

He didn't do anything wrong, but I'm going to have to go with the explanation Roger gave to Voltaire last season... it provides the contestant with an unfair advantage and it might raise suspicions amongst the viewing public (incidentally, it has... just about everybody outside this forum and game show-oriented forums is calling foul).

Ted might have not been bragging to others about his knowledge, as Voltaire did last season, but it's the same concept.

(still doesn't excuse the piss poor reveal by Drew)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rob79 on December 17, 2008, 12:23:10 AM
^ Would you still be upset at him if news came out somehow that the contestant cheated?

Since when did looking out to the audience for advice become cheating? Again--let it be reemphasized that Ted did nothing wrong.

(throws hands up in air in exasperation)

I guess according to the logic of some, Loyal fans and true who know their prices should never ever be welcomed on or to the show ever again.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 12:23:41 AM
You still haven't read the thread, have you?

I have now....

I honestly was doing a lot for the past few hours and this was just making it worse lol. Since the show didn't air here in Buffalo I'm not "in-the-know" as much as you guys about everything. It's still brand new to me.

Sorry to get on your "anger side" (at least it seems like I did). But anyways I guess in the end I would have been indifferent if Drew acted excited or not.


Since when did looking out to the audience for advice become cheating?

Again I'm sorry...


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Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 17, 2008, 12:28:41 AM
He didn't do anything wrong, but I'm going to have to go with the explanation Roger gave to Voltaire last season... it provides the contestant with an unfair advantage and it might raise suspicions amongst the viewing public (incidentally, it has... just about everybody outside this forum and game show-oriented forums is calling foul).

Ted might have not been bragging to others about his knowledge, as Voltaire did last season, but it's the same concept.

I'm not aware of any such lecture having been given to Ted.

Sorry to get on your "anger side" (at least it seems like I did).

It wasn't anger -- it's just, we'd already told you we already knew more about this, and you were just kind of digging yourself into a hole by continuing to post without reading about it.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PimpinJC on December 17, 2008, 12:28:47 AM
Any Number-Wow, nice comeback from David.  I thought he was a goner.  LOL at David picking Drew up after he won.

One-Bid #2-I watched this round again, and I wonder if Sharon wanted to bid something other than $600.  Right after Drew said "600", it sounded like she said "ei--".  It certainly could've changed the results of the one-bid.

It's in the Bag-Shame on you, audience!  Zachary had it, but you cost him $14,000!

One Away-It just sounds so much better when the contestant begs to the "O Mighty Sound Effects Lady" for correct numbers instead of the new reveal.  Sharon was perfect for this game, and it looks like she won't have to use her old car anymore.

Pick-a-Number-Nice change of mind by Julie.  I figured the first number was a 5.

SC (Presentation)-I'm starting to notice a pattern here: 1 good showcase and 1 bad showcase.  The 1st SC was really great, and I thought it was a nice treat for regular people to model the prizes.  Didn't realize it was the Contestants Not Appearing on Stage, so that made it cooler.  The second showcase was bad, though.  Drew, WHY did you have to butcher the Every Trip in the House showcase??  Chicago, known for wind?? :headbang:  It looked horrible with the green screens, too.  And that house looked weird.

SC (Reveal)-NO. FREAKIN. WAY.  An exacta!  I guess we can finally put to rest what would happen if someone EXACTAs.  But man, that reveal was the worst reveal EVER.  Drew showed absolutely no enthusiasm (in fact, he showed more for Sharon's reveal), and killed a ton of excitement.  He can be ecstatic in a pricing game win, yet we have the most historic moment happen, and he shows no enthusiasm whatsoever.  UGH.

And I feel that Ted did absolutely nothing wrong with helping Teddy out.  So he helped someone out?  That was Teddy's decision if he wanted to listen to him or not.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThereseW on December 17, 2008, 12:30:44 AM
I don't have too many bones to pick with the show this year except on how they are using Rich, however, Drew's showcase reveal really ticked me off.

I realized that Drew is not as good as he was last year (but I have still enjoyed him), but I had no idea how bad he has gotten until this show.  I feel I was cheated out of my full hour of enjoyment.  I give Drew 60 minutes of my life for him to give me enjoyment and then BOOM! he ruins this most exciting bid because he thinks the contestant might have cheated.

Drew has got to get better...he has had 15 months of on-air training and he should know how to do a reveal---even if his heart is not in it!

 

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 17, 2008, 12:32:23 AM
I have been talking with a good friend of mine from the game show community...I will leave his name out of it for now, but suffice it to say, he compared this to the coughing incident on the UK Millionaire. Do the two actually have similarities? Do we know if the Ted and Terry knew each other from the line, or if Terry got prior word of Ted's knowledge of prices and specifically seeked out his help? If so, I wouldn't call fowl, but I'd at least compare him to Michael Larsen in the sense that he beat the show at its own game. (Surprisingly, another CBS game show beaten out by technology.) But, I can see how someone, who is not the biggest fan of the show, but is more of a Drew Carey fan, could see the similarities.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 12:35:43 AM


It wasn't anger -- it's just, we'd already told you we already knew more about this, and you were just kind of digging yourself into a hole by continuing to post without reading about it.

Yeah... I'm on break from college now and the last thing I want to do is read a bunch of stuff lol.

But yeah wish someone would have told me sooner lol.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 17, 2008, 12:37:43 AM
I'm not aware of any such lecture having been given to Ted.

Oh I'm not saying there was, but I can see why a lot of people are bashing him, here, on Buzzerblog, and on the Invision forums.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: FPGWillyT on December 17, 2008, 12:39:51 AM
He didn't do anything wrong, but I'm going to have to go with the explanation Roger gave to Voltaire last season... it provides the contestant with an unfair advantage and it might raise suspicions amongst the viewing public

If you all are going to continue to associate Voltron with Ted, you are going to have to get your stories straight.

Ted helped one person he was next to.  He was never asked by the production staff NOT to help.  He got that message loud and clear when he was moved for show #2. 

Voltron the day in question walked up and down the campout line, which ended up being about 50 people and flat out told them, "Look to me, I know the prices and I will get you the win".  He repeated these statements once on the benches in full view and earshot of the page staff.  The next day he was pulled out of the bench line and specifically TOLD what you stated above.  He chose to ignore that request and flagrantly disobeyed the instructions he was given.

When I was "called out" and was asked not to help, I did as asked.  Upon every return, I asked non-chalantly "is the show in budget"?  And then and only then would I turn it on.

And all of this really doesn't matter anyway.  Who CARES about whether Terry got lucky that day because he found Ted sitting next to him.  Who cares if it took 15 or 150 minutes for the PPD to resovle the matter.  Get the reveal done.  Do it correctly.  Then after the show is taped do your thing and THEN if you think something was truly amiss, do the end of show "A contestant was found to be a cheating fool and his prizes now belong to us once again".



Please please stop comparing Ted to Voltron.  They are two totally separate and independent situations that have no basis for comparison.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 17, 2008, 12:40:32 AM
I saw the You Tube Exacto Showcase,

The WOST, I mean the WORST display of professionalism and lack of enthusiasm by Drew that I have ever seen!  I am hurt and really outraged by Drew's antics here and I think that some reprimand by a higher up to him is in order.  What Drew did was absolutely appalling.  There are no other words to describe it.  He just took a dump, (and I am using PC language here) on what should have been the greatest moment ever seen in the show's history.  If Drew is not reprimanded for his antics here, there should at least be a hearing to determine what was going through his mind to be so nonchalant.  His antics today were just disgusting in how he treated that Showcase.  I don't know what else to say.  I am hurt and angry now that I have seen the evidence first hand.

I really feel sorry for Bob and Roger if they had to see Drew's conduct.  This was revolting to our once great show!

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: macnbc on December 17, 2008, 12:43:32 AM
Hi all, long-time lurker, first-time poster.

I think the Michael Larsen analogy is pretty accurate here.

Ted didn't break any rules, but whether he did anything wrong is open to debate. The point is that from here on, people are going to be wondering whenever a contestant scores a big win whether they did it by themselves from guessing or if they relied on help from someone who memorized everything and anything.

I've been a lifelong TPiR fan, but I don't know if I'll be watching the show much any more. This whole flap has taken the fun out of watching it for me, and while Drew's reveal was pretty bad, that had far less to do with my dissatisfaction than Ted's involvement.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 12:44:47 AM
I honestly would love to know Bob's reaction to this...

Reading more up on this, this is the first I've heard of people from here getting banned from coming to see the show. I honestly never known that.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 17, 2008, 12:49:54 AM
Please please stop comparing Ted to Voltron.  They are two totally separate and independent situations that have no basis for comparison.

Did we just totally miss the preface about how Ted might have not been bragging to people in line as Voltaire did?

It's the same concept - fan knows the prices to just about everything featured on the show, provides contestant with exact bids, gives contestant an advantage other contestants might not have. It's a valid comparison, though it's not on the same scale as Voltaire's bragging to everybody in line within an earshot of the pages & staff.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: FPGWillyT on December 17, 2008, 12:52:58 AM
Ted didn't break any rules, but whether he did anything wrong is open to debate. The point is that from here on, people are going to be wondering whenever a contestant scores a big win whether they did it by themselves from guessing or if they relied on help from someone who memorized everything and anything. ...

Jesus....have you ever even been to the show?  Are you one of those people who shout at the TV when someone guesses a price for the first prize in Cliffhangers of $40?  Are you honestly telling me that you, if you were in studio, wouldn't be shouting out $20?  If you are one of those people that would sit quietly as time went by in that studio, that's fine and I respect that.  But this isn't a quiz show, it's an audience participation show.  And too bad for the staff that they got hammered that day.  

Please stop in any way putting Ted at the forefront of this.  It's pure jealousy on ya'lls part and an outlandish attempt to draw the attention away from where it truly belongs.

It's the same concept - fan knows the prices to just about everything featured on the show, provides contestant with exact bids, gives contestant an advantage other contestants might not have. It's a valid comparison, though it's not on the same scale as Voltaire's bragging to everybody in line within an earshot of the pages & staff.

So if by circumstance you go with family, friends, significant other to see the show, are you going to self-disqualify because "gee...it's not fair to everyone else that I can help her so she's on her own"?

Because really I can't see the difference.  And it should be noted that Ted was not just helping Terry that day.  Having sat in the #3 many times, there were many eyes pointed in that direction.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: drmusic_99 on December 17, 2008, 01:00:26 AM
Jesus....have you ever even been to the show?  Are you one of those people who shout at the TV when someone guesses a price for the first prize in Cliffhangers of $40?  Are you honestly telling me that you, if you were in studio, wouldn't be shouting out $20? ...

You're right about Cliffhangers... which means it's not so interesting to watch. One presumes they began arranging the small prizes the way they do to give people a shot at winning. But now it's a cinch for anyone who watches the show, and that's not much fun to watch. Maybe it's about time they started making those more challenging. I mean, I win every time on the PC version of the game. That's great when you're trying to build up your score... but it's not a very suspenseful viewing experience.

If you want to reward people for paying attention, the Ten Chances rule is an example of the way to do it. Knowing the "rule" doesn't GUARANTEE a win, but it gives you a fighting chance.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: macnbc on December 17, 2008, 01:03:11 AM
(see above quote)

I'd yell "$20!", based on an educated guess on general range of prices. Not "$18.53!" because I had memorized everything in advance.

There is a clear difference between intelligent strategy and cribbing.

To use another analogy, it's like what's happened with high school students and the SAT. Students are no longer attempting to study and become generally intelligent and therefore perform well. Instead, they study for the type of questions that the SAT asks, example questions and what-not. They're not cheating, but they are gaming the system. The end result has been that the SAT has become absolutely useless as a standardized test and an increasing number of colleges are removing their SAT requirement because it's become bogus.

Ditto here. Ted didn't cheat. The contestant didn't cheat. The contestant, did, however, have an unfair advantage over his opponent. He gamed the system.

At that point, the point of the game becomes moot and it just becomes an exercise in who watched more episodes, rather than who is the smarter shopper, which is the point of the show.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TPIRZippy on December 17, 2008, 01:03:23 AM
I recall from attending the show over 10 years ago Rod having the audience take the "Oath of Audience."  I will yell out the prices! and so on.  Isn't that basically what Ted did? 

Basically you have 325 lifelines to use at once and you can pick and choose who to trust or ignore.  If the show uses the same prizes over and over again, they can't be surprised that some fans will show up and put that knowledge to work.  We've seen contestants many times before who got onstage with perfect bids and then ran the table in their pricing games because they knew the prices or knew someone who did.  We've seen the audience react to Klondike bars and famous Hole in Two Ella explaining how the audience was pricing items in the line so they all knew they were $2.99.  (We've also seen $850 bids on toy guitars and $9000 for a pair of surfboards, but that's beside the point. ;) )

Drew's reveal left an awful lot to be desired, but who knows what they told him to do or say.  But the way things have been so uneven lately, I'm afraid it might have just been Drew messing up.

The contestants not appearing on stage getting to appear on stage modeling prizes was great....
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 17, 2008, 01:07:27 AM
Some Questions For Those Who Have Been to A Taping: (In light of today's events in the Showcases)

1.) What normally happens between the Showcase bids and the commercial breaks?  Does Drew know the prices of the Showcases or anything else ahead of time?

2.) Is Drew told who to start with in Showcase reveals?  Bob used to poll the audience asking who to start with, so does this matter?  Did the producers between normal showcase reveals and during commercials request different ways of dealing with them during the Bob and Dew era's.

3.) What was the time of the stopdown?  Even on this forum, it has ranged from 20-45 minutes.  What was the audience doing during this time and where were Drew and the staff?

Joe

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: drmusic_99 on December 17, 2008, 01:07:48 AM
I recall from attending the show over 10 years ago Rod having the audience take the "Oath of Audience."  I will yell out the prices! and so on.  Isn't that basically what Ted did? 

Really? In his warmup, Johnny O. would tell the contestants to make up their own minds instead of listening to the audience.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TPIRZippy on December 17, 2008, 01:14:34 AM
Really? In his warmup, Johnny O. would tell the contestants to make up their own minds instead of listening to the audience.

If you're onstage, you don't have to listen to the suggestions from the audience.  Some of the suggestions stink (what Gene Rayburn would call a rotten answer).  But people should offer them up.

It's what I remember from Rod's warmup.  He wanted everyone to be excited and involved (not like the lady in the audience caught sleeping on camera once).  Yelling out the prices was part of it.

I haven't managed to see the show in person since 2004 before Rich.  Does the current warm-up involve encouragement to yell out prices and try to help the contestants?

I just found it interesting that it seems to go back and forth between explicitly telling people to help each other to apparently sequestering people who are too helpful in the opinion of the producers.  Maybe some audience members are deemed too helpful simply because they will cost the production company $$$$ in DSW prizes!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JoePlinko on December 17, 2008, 01:32:40 AM
I've always read on here, but I thought what a momentous day to join.  Unfortunately, I watch the show with my friends and I know more than they do about it. And while today, I went nuts, they went "Oh, that's crap.  There's no way."

I've read everything in this thread and understand what happened was perfectly fine, but I've read three posts on cbs.com where they are questioning the integrity like my buddies and one on Buzzerblog who was overly rude but made a good point.  What if the people who watch don't ever hear about Ted and they just continue to think mistakely that the show was rigged and people start tuning off the show.

Is anyone else concerned about this, like I am, because no matter what I said today to my roommate about how there was no way to rig the show he just kept on saying it was rigged.

Comments?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 01:47:53 AM
^^Yep. Definitely. In all honesty, I thought today's show was "rigged" until I read all the posts in this thread. And as you have said, the average viewer doesn't know anything about this website or Ted. This will definitely turn a lot of people off.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: 3StrikesFan on December 17, 2008, 01:50:58 AM
Some Questions For Those Who Have Been to A Taping: (In light of today's events in the Showcases)

1.) What normally happens between the Showcase bids and the commercial breaks?  Does Drew know the prices of the Showcases or anything else ahead of time?

If I remember correctly and granted this was during Bob's tenure, Bob just talked to the audience. The stage people inserted the signs into the showcase podiums and they put the prices for the showcases into the holders.

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2.) Is Drew told who to start with in Showcase reveals?  Bob used to poll the audience asking who to start with, so does this matter?  Did the producers between normal showcase reveals and during commercials request different ways of dealing with them during the Bob and Dew era's.

Unless it happened earlier in the years Bob was on, when I went in 2004, Bob never polled the audience to see whose showcase should be read first. He may have polled the audience to see who they thought won their showcase, but that's it. I think Bob was told whom to start with when he was going to read the showcases from Roger or Kathy. If a contestant won both showcases, obviously Bob had to know to read their bid last.



Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 17, 2008, 01:53:22 AM
I've always read on here, but I thought what a momentous day to join.  Unfortunately, I watch the show with my friends and I know more than they do about it. And while today, I went nuts, they went "Oh, that's crap.  There's no way."....
Is anyone else concerned about this, like I am, because no matter what I said today to my roommate about how there was no way to rig the show he just kept on saying it was rigged.

I am concerned that people like that will cause the show to go down. as much as I disagree with what they said, there is a huge population of the "target audience" that Fremantle wants that will see it this way. Sorry to say, but most casual viewers will not view the show the way we do. I mean, even after the documentary about Michael Larsen aired, people STILL think he cheated, even though he was cleared of any wrongdoing. All he did was beat the system. That is exactly what Terry did, and I salute him. Most viewers, though, will not. They'll say he cheated, and that the show is rigged to bring in viewers. Sad, but true.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Scott5114 on December 17, 2008, 02:54:59 AM
Let's say Ted had been picked as a contestant today instead of Terry. Assume Ted would have done everything that he recommended Terry do, and the outcome would have been the same. Ted would have used his own knowledge to score the $500, lose Switch?, and score the exacta. We can all agree this would have been okay, correct?

What actually happened was Ted directed Terry to do things the way he would have done them. Given that audience participation is legal under the rules of the game, and in fact encouraged, what's the big deal? Terry was free to disregard Ted and follow the fat guy with the beard in the sixth row aisle seat instead. Even if Ted had approached Terry before the game and said he knew the prices, Terry could have easily disbelieved him and followed someone else. Terry chose to listen to Ted and it paid off. Savvy move by Terry.

Now, there are some people who disagree with the question posed at the end of Paragraph 1. Some people say that violates the spirit of the game. Well, that's bull hockey puck, and you know it. If you have a chance at being on a game show, learning as much as you can so you can Be Prepared™ should you be called on to participate shouldn't be suspicious. It's smart. If you were going on Jeopardy! you'd memorize information likely to be useful on the show, right? You'd learn all you can about Potent Potables. If you didn't, you'd get your clock cleaned.

TPIR only really differs in this regard in that the questions are themed—they all involve prices in one way or another. So just like knowing that Andrew Johnson succeeded Abraham Lincoln as President would be useful information if you were going on Jeopardy!, knowing that V8 vegetable juice is $3.15 would be useful information to have if you were going on TPIR. As long as you have nothing like a price list or reference list of Presidents, neither one is cheating. On neither game can you be disqualified simply because of the knowledge in your head. On both games there are questions asked and defined answers that must be supplied to be considered correct. Knowing the correct answer is key to being a successful contestant.

*  *  *

All I can say about Drew's hosting of the final act of the show (which is all I've seen, on YouTube) is that it was atrocious. Come on, Drew, you sound like you're preparing your income tax return. You have to put some enthusiasm into it. Have! To!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: gamefro on December 17, 2008, 03:21:13 AM
So me still being a week behind, I was getting ready to watch the 12/10 episode online when I saw this recap thread was up to *11* pages.  I'm glad I decided to watch this one right away...


This really was a great show.  It was one of the most enjoyable episodes I've seen in a long time.  There were great and very energetic contestants throughout the entire show, the pricing game lineup was great, the wins were good (too bad about bailing out in Baggy) and that One Away segment was awesome (gotta love the 5-horn win).  The first showcase was also really cool and creative, especially using CNAOS as models (that did well with little prep).  And what was topping it off was that Drew had really turned it on throughout the entire show: great interactions and good hosting (especially One Away).  The only things I did not like was Drew's "trashy" opening, the silly prize intros (of course), and the multiple tacky aspects of the "Every Trip in the House" showcase.  Otherwise, I'd say this is one of the best shows of the season since the show has entered its "new direction".


Re: the showcase reveal.  Kudos to Terry for his perfect bid...or rather, kudos to Ted to giving Terry his perfect bid.  After reading all 11 pages of this thread, I will say that there was nothing wrong with what transpired, although I can see where the average or casual viewer might think otherwise.  A loyal fan and audience member shouted a suggestion to an on-stage contestant, and it happened to be on the nose.  They use so many items on the show over and over that things get recognizable.  To the loyal watchers of Price, they're going to pick up on things.  I mean, I may not have the encyclopedic knowledge of all the prices like Ted does, but I know enough that I would have gone all the way on It's In The Bag without help, won Switch and One Away and Pick A Number, and I'd have come within about $1000 of that showcase myself--all because I watch regularly.  (I can recite from memory prize copy of certainly of their frequently used items, but that's for another thread.)  Nobody broke any rules here...the show was the unfortunate victim of its own predictability.

Whether there's the appearance of impropriety or not, if the show was to proceed with the taping and the reveal, it's Drew's job to play it up and make it an exciting and historic moment.  Instead, we just got a standard and mumbled reveal.  This was really disappointing, especially after all the energy that he'd shown throughout the entire episode.  In my observation, Drew's showcase reveals have been improving this season, so to see such a lackluster reveal on a perfect bid showcase is just disheartening and, frankly, inexcusable--despite anything that may have happened during the stopdown.  Heck, the casual fans that are crying fowl might have had a different take on this had it been hosted with a bit more professionalism and excitement. 

I've cut Drew and the new direction a lot of slack this season, but that showcase reveal left such a bad taste on the end of an otherwise exciting and enjoyable episode--but it doesn't mean I will stop watching.


By the way: did anybody else notice that the text of the DSW graphic seemed off center?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 17, 2008, 04:45:40 AM
I believe that everything about this show and this episode was on the level and fair.  One of Price's great things that not even Drew or Fremantle can change is that it is a RANDOM audience participation show, and if audience members have been practicing the pricing of grocery items, small prizes, large prizes, and even totaling Showcases, more power to them!  They (unlike what Drew has shown this season) are dedicated to their show and its beauty.

There is no way that Terry could have "cheated."  He was able to listen to a very experienced viewer who knew the Price of the Showcase exactly right who was in the audience.  Ted did not know in the studio what games were going to be played on this episode, Ted did not know what the prizes were going to be for any IUFB, games, or Showcases, I am also to assume that Terry and Ted did not have any conversations with regards to how the show was going to be presented.  Ted nor Terry had no price sheets or totals or anything with them.  There was also no pre-arranged notion in any way of knowing who would be called to "Come on Down."  With the Big Wheel totally luck in its spinning, there is no way of knowing who would even get to Showcases.  I just cannot see any form of cheating involved from any parties.

I am really wondering how the staff feels about this at Price.  I am pretty sure that Golden Road. Net's staff feels the same way that I do.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Dietevil on December 17, 2008, 04:56:23 AM
Congrats to Ted. Boo to Drew for that reveal.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 17, 2008, 05:12:58 AM
The anger at this should be Drew's despicable Price reveal, NOT the exact price Showcase.  Let's live that magic, even though Drew did his best to kill it.

FYI.  There have been very painful close overbid losses.  The worst was a Contestant who bid $12,000 on her Showcase, and the actual retail price was $11,999!  I remember this clear as day!

Again, Congratulations to Terry for his amazing win, and thank you to Ted for helping Terry be a historic winner!

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Mallory16 on December 17, 2008, 07:44:08 AM
Quote from: mrbrown2195
Ted might have not been bragging to others about his knowledge, as Voltaire did last season, but it's the same concept.

1:  You are expected to help a "few close people" in line.  That is different from trying to actively solicit half the audience.  What if a price memorizing genius' wife were up on stage.  Would he be expected not to help his own wife out?  That would be ridiculous.

2:  Ted was not asked not to help out.  Until he is asked not to do so, he has every right to do so.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TheBigAK on December 17, 2008, 08:17:16 AM
I can't see at all how this could be concidered cheating.   They don't stop the audience from yelling/helping or anything.   When I was there a few years back, there was no "rule" or anything told to me that said "You can't have the audience help you"

Something that has happened once for the first time in 36 years, that shouldn't even be suspicious.   Now if this happened 3 times a season, then maybe...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 17, 2008, 08:42:02 AM
That's kind of my point.  I've been to fewer than 40 tapings in the past 24 and one-half years.  I seriously doubt my being in the audience has any kind of dramatic impact on the budget.  And I've helped plenty of people lose over the years, too...that darned "Switch?" music has been playing over and over on an endless loop in my head since September!  (okay, that's a slight exageration).

As far as the showcase price, I had no way of knowing if the trailer was still $19943, or if the trailer had been changed to a newer model and thus its price had been increased.  For that matter, I didn't know if ANY of the three prices had changed.  Price increases (and sometimes decreases) happen all the time on the show, and sometimes they bite me in the you-know-what.  I gave Terry what I considered to be my "best bid" and hoped for the best.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: edmojautis on December 17, 2008, 09:25:52 AM
WOW!!! Almost 12 pages long on this one show and I don't blame that. Here we go...

Opening: Just plain insipid.  :roll:

Any #: AGAIN??!!!  8-O David looked like he needed a HUGE comeback on this one...and he got it!!!!! Great come-from-behind win!!!  :-)

IITB: It was a toss-up between the Alka-Seltzer and the Mariner for the $5.99. I did go with Zachary on the Mariner and the pressure from the audience got to him and Boy. did it cost him?  :headbang:

Switch?: I had a hunch that computer would not be over $3K. Too bad.

Swap: Those Motha-lovin designer shoes racks its glitzy head again, but it didn't get me or Jamie today.  :-D Good job.

One Away: Sharon was such a BLAST!!!! My grandmother thought she was kind of dangerous. LOL She did give me a little fear that she would go ballistic if she wins that car. Good to hear "The Ol' Mighty Sound Effects Lady" bit (Hopefully not the last) and see Sharon nail a big-time exacta!!! Excelent playing and a wonderful win!!!! :-)

Pick #: Julie stops Drew from lifting the digit in time. Very nice.

Showcases: The first one wasn't the best...nor the worst. It had a unique theme and went pretty well. Liezi's and Karen's modeling skills had potential. Joseph was kind of........um........................uni nspiring.  :-D The 2nd one took out all of the greatness that the classic ETITH showcase had. That house setup looked just incredibly lame  :-(

Well, I can tell you that I just got finsished watching this show online and I saw the clip of the results at the video section of this very site and if the post you saw in that section explained to you about the exciting win, You're right!! As for Drew's performance of the reveal......It gets this......


 :headbang: :headbang: :( :embarassed:

Why couldn't he have handled it in a more positive and excitable manner? Sure, he's trying to be himself but it just wasn't right at all. How could he have been having a bad day? I know that long stopdown would make anyone feel impatient and tired (I would probably feel that way too, but I definetly would've not shown it on camera), I'm not saying he probably did feel that way. I'm saying if only a bit more enthusiasm would've lightened it up some (Even it was to look obviously fake). The reveal would've been more enjoyable and something we all could've watched and over and over again until are dying days. I've been giving Drew a lot of positive thought ever since watching his first show, Now I'm at a point where I might have to go to my computer to watch a full episode and that just feel sad for a long-time viewer like myself. I am looking forward to the christmas week shows and plan to record them and I think that's probably may be the last right there. I'm sorry if this sounds so moody, but it had to come out.

As for Terry, I like to extend my congratulations to him for making history and he'll have a place in the Hall of Fame for many years to come. To Terry:  :pint:

...and Ted, You deserves a toast, too. You are a LFaT and as far as to what the PTB will do if you come back to the BBS and all those so-called experts claiming there accusations of "The word that rhymes with  "Digging"....SCREW IT!!!  I raise my glass to you, too and I'm sure Holly would want to give you a big Smackerooni as well.  8-) :-D To you, Ted: :pint:

A...........Oh, Why Not?


A PERFECT SCORE!!!!!!! 5 STARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-D :D :-) :biggrin: ;)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Robair on December 17, 2008, 09:32:39 AM
Michael Jordan's tongue?

MICHAEL JORDAN'S TONGUE?

Sorry, Chicago means only three things to me: the Spiegel catalog, Dick Biondi, and pinball machines.

Hope you folks weren't sitting too close to the screen when that tongue came up.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: heelsrule1988 on December 17, 2008, 12:01:02 PM
Frankly, I believe that some people think we're spies
That's not what the poster said...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Mark77 on December 17, 2008, 01:07:32 PM
Hey, have you guys read the two articles about this fiasco over at Buzzerblog (http://www.buzzerblog.com) ? If not, I think you all should, because their contributors make some great points about all this, and they are exactly right. They've basically written everything I've ever wanted to say about something like this.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PriceFanArmadillo on December 17, 2008, 02:38:43 PM
If not, I think you all should, because their contributors make some great points about all this, and they are exactly right. They've basically written everything I've ever wanted to say about something like this.
Hint:  Someone agreeing with you does not automatically make them 'exactly right'.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Bgamer90 on December 17, 2008, 02:47:56 PM
Hey, have you guys read the two articles about this fiasco over at Buzzerblog (http://www.buzzerblog.com) ? If not, I think you all should, because their contributors make some great points about all this, and they are exactly right. They've basically written everything I've ever wanted to say about something like this.

Why thank you :wink:
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: pricefan18 on December 17, 2008, 03:40:29 PM
This is interesting....someone at buzzerblog said:

"About Drew’s reaction, I was told that the Showcase reveal came after about a 45 minute tape stop in which Drew was told by the staff that they can’t prove it yet, but they know the guy cheated. Whereas if someone memorized prices and relayed them, to me is not really cheating, the insinuation made by the producers spoiled the moment for the viewers. This should have been a spontaneous “Oh My God!” moment, and any investigations handled later. Unfortunately it turned a most-assueredly explosive moment into a trivial throw-away. T.P.I.R - The Paranoia is Rampant."

Assuming this is true, then maybe it's the producers who are at fault for Drew's reaction, telling him outright they felt he cheated, moreso then Drew himself.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 17, 2008, 04:11:47 PM
I wish that we could just have the Drew back that hosted Season 36.  There were some rough spots, but he was fine.  The reason was because people who had experience in running the show were there to help him.  Roger was the second legend to Bob in making Price run smoothly.  Without the proper people behind the scenes to steer The Price is Right's ship on a positive course and stay on a positive course, the show is in trouble.  The powers that be wanted to make the show Drew's own.  But he doesn't have enough experiance in the history, culture, and traditions, that are Price to host without experiancd help from the sidelines.  He doesn't have experienced help in the background who understand what the show is about since Season 37 began.  That's the problem.

Drew is much too bi-polar in his moods.  You have to make Price seem like a fun and happy place for everyone for your time as host.  You don't bash games and prizes on the air, you don't make yourself the center of attention.  You make the contestents the center of attention with warmth, kindness, and respect.  Drew is too unpredictable and indifferent in personality and mood swings.  A good to great host does not let negative or biased personal feelings interfere with his performance.  If Drew believed that something was not kosher with that Showcase win, don't start a domino effect of rumors and accusation, denial rituals by doing the reveal like your dog just died.

I agree, if Drew is angry or upset about something, he doesn't mask what he knows.  The whole Showcase incident was not properly handled by the staff.  Tape should not have even been stopped.  Let the magic of the exact bid happen and allow the viewers to take in the excitment of the victory.  Than AFTER the show ends, speak to Drew along with a meeting of the staff, which would include Drew, Kathy, Syd, Stan, Adam, Rich, and anyone else to discuss the issues involved.  But don't ruin it with such a maudilin let down for one of the greatest moments in the past 36 years!

Jeez!  If worse comes to worse and they saw Drew's horrible reaction, stop the tape and reshoot the sequence, so that Drew can at least FAKE the excitement.  The Price is Right should not be the type of show where viewers have to second-guess how much negativity we will see in the host from episode to episode!

Joe

PS.  Oh, and  if anyone is getting information about the aftermath of this episode from TMZ,  please note that TMZ is a noted tabloid National Enquirer type of site, so any information about this episode coming from TMZ, please consider that it is little more than an Internet Gossip Column.  We need to examine the validity of all sources and data before we jump to conclusions.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: cmburke7 on December 17, 2008, 04:53:55 PM
Not sure if I'm welcome at Studio 33 anymore, but I'm sure I'll find out one of these days...

Look on the plus side, now you can sleep in instead of standing out on Fairfax till 6am  :lol: OK, I have to ask, did you go through the Stanish Inquisition after this and was there any mention of the taping?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 17, 2008, 05:30:33 PM
Just out of curiosity, I did a couple of Google searches to see if this had gotten any coverage outside the usual places. It ended up being discussed on The Huffington Post, the liberal political site, and on a Michigan State football fan site, among others (the MSU site posting included an embed of the YouTube clip).

The most frequent reactions by people who don't watch the show very often?

"Is that still on?"

"Was it rigged?"

and

"Is Drew Carey always that boring?"

None of which can possibly be good news for the show. If this had happened while Bob were there, they'd probably have incorporated it into the promos for the show by now, which is impossible given the abysmal quality of Drew's reaction to it.

Am I correct in assuming that the reason this aired out of order is that S&P took the time to investigate, and found nothing actually wrong, before allowing it to air?

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ton80 on December 17, 2008, 06:28:16 PM
I have been meaning to ask, and never got around to it -

Ted, did CBS or anybody else ever contact YOU about this??  Did they say anything to you in the studio, or afterward?  Did you ever see or talk to Terry after the show, to find out what they said to him?  I'm sorry if this has been answered already.  I really don't want to have to re-read 12 pages of this topic.

Thanks
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 17, 2008, 06:53:44 PM
I have not heard anything from anybody related to the show.  Nobody asked me any questions after the taping.  When I was interviewed for the second show, Stan just asked me what I do for fun.  I think he started interviews before the showcase reveal on the first taping, so he may not have known anything at that point.  The only thing that happened was that I was reassigned to a different seat for the second taping.  From my original seat (back row of the center section of the audience on the stage left side), I was moved to the stage right section of the audience.  It was a while before I realized the move was to keep me from being able to see the contestants during the showcase. 

Also, as I mentioned (I think in chat), I tried to rescind my bid and get Terry to bid $23,500, however, it was too late.  Even at that point, I kind of knew an exact bid with that showcase price was going to raise eyebrows.  Funny thing is that had I acted more quickly, this whole thing would have been just another double showcase win and nobody would be talking about it.  Hindsight, you know...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 17, 2008, 07:58:25 PM
I've been a lifelong TPiR fan, but I don't know if I'll be watching the show much any more. This whole flap has taken the fun out of watching it for me, and while Drew's reveal was pretty bad, that had far less to do with my dissatisfaction than Ted's involvement.

Oh, get over it.  There is no freakin' "flap."  The only controversy was created by a few people here who, for some bizarre reason, cannot seem to accept that nothing about this was wrong.

(And yes, I know that was rude.  I don't care.)

Ditto here. Ted didn't cheat. The contestant didn't cheat. The contestant, did, however, have an unfair advantage over his opponent.

An opponent who'd have have exactly the same advantage if she hadn't passed the first showcase.

I've read everything in this thread and understand what happened was perfectly fine, but I've read three posts on cbs.com where they are questioning the integrity like my buddies and one on Buzzerblog who was overly rude but made a good point.  What if the people who watch don't ever hear about Ted and they just continue to think mistakely that the show was rigged and people start tuning off the show.

Then it's their own fault they don't trust the show anymore.  Anyone who actually bothers to think about this for a second would realize CBS would never have let this air if there was any question as to its legitimacy.

Hey, have you guys read the two articles about this fiasco over at Buzzerblog (http://www.buzzerblog.com) ? If not, I think you all should, because their contributors make some great points about all this, and they are exactly right. They've basically written everything I've ever wanted to say about something like this.

With all due respect, both of those articles seemed to me like incoherent babbling which were written for the sake of yelling at people.  (I do agree with the first one -- but not for the reasons listed in it.)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 17, 2008, 08:17:58 PM
Of course, there's a possibility that we're all overlooking:

Ted's contribution notwithstanding, it's entirely possible that the contestant is one of those who watches the show regularly and carefully enough to make reliable mental notes of prizes and prices. ...

The mind boggles at that statement, sir.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TheBigAK on December 17, 2008, 08:21:39 PM
Something I was thinking about a lunch today when I heard the "powerball calulator" commercial on the radio.

Now the odds of hitting the Lottery are 1 : Many Many Many Millions

Assuming your SC doesn't have a Sportscar or a Luxury car, I think it is safe to say the average SC has a range of about $10000 (probably about 15,000 - 25,000).   So based on that range, getting a SC Exacta is what about 1:10,000.  Probably a bit less if you have any clue on prices where you can narrow the range.    

There has been 6,000+ shows now, 2 SC"s per show.  So there have been more than 12,000 SC bids.  

Just by random guess hitting it would be possible.  In fact, it was probably due to happen.



Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 17, 2008, 08:36:23 PM
Let me take a 12-gauge and blow that one into smithereenies.


Most people bid in round thousand dollar numbers. Occasionally, people get into the hundreds. Extremely rarely, you'll find somebody that goes to the last digit, and that's usually made to make a statement like one's zip code.


Combine that with the fact that over 99.9% of showcases have not ended in 000 prices, and your statistical analysis based on random numbers matching up has been destroyed.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Johnny on December 17, 2008, 08:57:43 PM
Okay here's my take on the whole fiasco. Terry didn't cheat, Ted didn't cheat. CBS frigged up. How many game shows do YOU know (BESIDES TPiR) that allow audience participation in bonus rounds let alone the main game. How about...zero? So why is TPiR any different? the Clock game rule reallyt should be in effect for the whole show. Sure in gambling situations, the audience can tell you to stop or go, but they have no control over the ultoimate conclusion. Good job Terry and Teddy, and a poor job by CBS, imo..the play along factor is for the viewers at home, NOT the studio audience. Even with Ten Chances, Bob even asked the audirnce for help. And frankly, it isn't the audience's job to get the price right, it's the contestant's. So I will give Drew a slight pass
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: jzion12345 on December 17, 2008, 09:05:09 PM
That's not what the poster said...

Then if you can tell me what "aspies" are other than a typo, get back to me.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 17, 2008, 09:19:06 PM
"Aspies" is a derogatory term for people with Asperger's Syndrome. It is not a compliment.

Let me take a 12-gauge and blow that one into smithereenies.

Most people bid in round thousand dollar numbers. Occasionally, people get into the hundreds. ...

If you read my later post, you would see that I acknowledged that Terry clearly didn't make his bid based on pricing expertise. I said that it was more likely that he blurted out a random number between 1 and 25,000, and happened to be right, than that he was the best Showcase player in 36 years.


MOD NOTE: Consecutive posts merged and quoting truncated to two lines. - JC
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 17, 2008, 10:21:27 PM
John (sorry for the consecutive posts, but I don't know how to draw in quotes from different posts, mods, and both of these needed responding to...)

I've never found a way, either, John -- I just write my replies in a separate window and do a lot of copy/pasting!
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: EaglesWings2008 on December 17, 2008, 11:11:35 PM
Wonder what would have happen of they were both on the nose??????

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: goldroadfanatic on December 17, 2008, 11:12:22 PM
Then both contestants would win both showcases.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: barkerbox on December 17, 2008, 11:40:37 PM
How do you do it Ted?  Do you just have an amazing memory in general or do you have to cram to remember these numbers?  How many prices do you figure you can memorize at any one time?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: MrPlinko on December 18, 2008, 12:31:46 AM
Did anyone speak to Terry about all of this?  AFAIK, we have two innocents who were given a bad rap by a lot of the media.

Joe
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: xSmootx on December 18, 2008, 05:24:28 AM
I haven't sat down and watched price is right in a couple of years cause of Drew Carey, after I stumbled upon some videos on YouTube and saw the on the nose showcase, Drew gave another reason for me to not watch.

With that aside, I think it's remarkable that someone got it on the nose even with someone's help and I think that Ted is the Price is Right version of Michael Larson.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: tpirfan28 on December 18, 2008, 07:33:32 AM
I've never found a way, either, John -- I just write my replies in a separate window and do a lot of copy/pasting!
I do know how...I'll put a small note down in the Tech Support forum.

Here it is. (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9673.0.html)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 18, 2008, 09:05:15 AM
How do you do it Ted?  Do you just have an amazing memory in general or do you have to cram to remember these numbers?  How many prices do you figure you can memorize at any one time?

My process has changed over the years, but I think I have a better-than-average memory (at least for some things).  Surprisingly, I think the show actually uses a larger rotation of prizes these days than they did back in the 80s when I first started going to tapings.  I remember when there used to be only 90 small prizes in the rotation.  This season alone, I think they've added about 90 new ones to the over 200 that they've used in the past few years.  There's been a dramatic increase in the number of grocery items on the show this season as well. 
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: barkerguy on December 18, 2008, 09:09:30 AM
Who else here thinks that he should get $56,437 in cash?
Not me. But, if someone bids perfectly on the showcase, not only do they win both showcases, but they should give the contestant $5,000 cash bonus.   
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: sideshowPA on December 18, 2008, 09:30:41 AM
But, if someone bids perfectly on the showcase, not only do they win both showcases, but they should give the contestant $5,000 cash bonus.   

Let me make sure I have this right....some of you are proposing that a new rule be added for an event which has now occurred twice in 37 years?  Sorry, that's silly....
Title: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 18, 2008, 02:49:28 PM
LINK: News coverage (http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/tv/36375364.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciatkEP7DhUsr) mentioning Ted and G-R.net
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ton80 on December 18, 2008, 04:12:17 PM
I hope it's okay to do this, but here are some excerpts from the article that I found interesting...

Quote from: Star-Tribune
There’s an Internet buzz  surrounding a “Price is Right” contestant who guessed to the dollar the price of his showcase of gifts during Tuesday’s episode.
At least they correctly refer to is as a Showcase, and not a Showcase Showdown.

Quote from: Star-Tribune
Postings on message boards at golden-road.net...say one of the site’s regular members was in the audience and had been shouting out pricing answers all during the show. In this case, the audience member, who calls himself “Ted” at golden-road.net, is an expert on pricing these items and has experience giving correct dollar amounts to contestants.  “Not sure if I’m welcome at Studio 33 anymore, but I’m sure I’ll find out one of these days,” Ted wrote on a golden-road.net message board.
Did they talk to you, Ted, before quoting you here??

Quote from: Star-Tribune
A Las Vegas radio station says that it landed an interview with Terry. KQOL-FM identified him as Terry Kneiss.  In the interview, Kneiss said he added up the items on his own and got no help from shouts coming from the audience. “I have hearing problem,” he said.  He gave this advice to anyone who wishes to replicate his good fortune: “Do your homework. Watch the show, watch the show, watch the show.”
I put the emphasis on that line above .  It seems like we're hearing a different story from Terry.  Maybe he was "encouraged" by TPIR producers to say that if asked??
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Drewfan2008 on December 18, 2008, 04:26:18 PM
I put the emphasis on that line above .  It seems like we're hearing a different story from Terry.  Maybe he was "encouraged" by TPIR producers to say that if asked??
Or he just wants to be deemed "Smart". If I were the one to do it, I wouldn't say I got help from anybody.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Ted on December 18, 2008, 04:51:53 PM
Nobody has talked to me at all or asked my permission to quote me.  And for the record, the guy who's been there 99 times is NOT me!  I'm the one who's been there 37 times (Terry said 33 in the interview).

And you know, Terry has said he was "numb" from the experience all along.  Maybe he doesn't remember where the "743" came from, or maybe (just maybe) he did come up with that on his own. 
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: bydesign77 on December 18, 2008, 08:27:16 PM
Hey, just to let you know, they don't have to ask to quote you if you say something in the public domain. It's then on the record in public.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: ThunderE6 on December 18, 2008, 09:18:42 PM
So it seems that Kneiss is calling Ted's postings here untrue by means of his own quotes.

The plot thickens, eh?


Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: gamefro on December 18, 2008, 10:00:24 PM
Another excerpt from the article:
Quote
Seems that such a precise "Double Showcase" guess has never happened in the show's long history.

Of all the things that are mentioned in the article, this is a glaring error.

and a comment by user 'barrettmarkj'
Quote
I used to live in Southern California and was in the audience for a few game shows. They are obviously rigged for ratings! On the show "Card Sharks," some guy on the side of the stage would give hand-signals to the contestants re: whether to say "higher!" or "lower!" It was an eye-opener, and disgusting. Price is Right viewership has gone into the tank since Bob Barker retired... so they hope this "controversial story" helps build some PR and ratings. Sickening.

This guy has obviously never heard of the quiz show scandals...


So many internet comments about this event being "rigged".  Most of them talk about it in the sense that the show was rigged to spice up ratings, because Drew is not a good host.  For whatever flack this incident has brought up, there is quite a bit of buzz about the show right now...too bad most of it is negative.

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 18, 2008, 10:18:12 PM
Another excerpt from the article: Seems that such a precise "Double Showcase" guess has never happened in the show's long history.
Of all the things that are mentioned in the article, this is a glaring error.

Actually, they chose their words very carefully. A "Double Showcase" guess. They avoiding excessive wordiness for the general readership, but it is factually correct. The last showcase exacta was before the DSW rule. Without the word "double," though, would be incorrect, as you say.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 18, 2008, 10:58:59 PM
Just so y'all know - the TMV TV show had a segment tonight about Terry's win entitled "The Price is Right: Conspiracy Theory!".

Not much "new" - they just played the radio interview where he totally discounts Ted (i mean, come on, he's obviously getting a number from somebody in the audience... if the camera wasn't focused on Drew when he made his bid, it would've been a lot more obvious), and TMZ joked that both Terry and Rich were "retired meteorologists".

Yeah, it's garbage TV, but at least it is entertaining unlike that "Entertainment Tonight" crap.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: gamefro on December 19, 2008, 12:18:31 AM
Actually, they chose their words very carefully. A "Double Showcase" guess. They avoiding excessive wordiness for the general readership, but it is factually correct. The last showcase exacta was before the DSW rule. Without the word "double," though, would be incorrect, as you say.

The carefully chosen wording does make the average person think that a showcase exacta hasn't happened before, when it has.  I overlooked the wording and obviously came to the same conclusion.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: JohnHolder on December 19, 2008, 08:37:58 AM
We may be beating this point to death, but as I understand it, the previous PB was on the syndicated version, and the show considers that a separate set of records, not to mention that the nighttime show never had a DSW rule - so this is, in fact, the first time there's been a perfect bid on the CBS version, as well as the first time that a PB has resulted in a DSW.

It's also possible that since Roger-the-Institutional-Memory is gone, no one currently working on the show actually has any accurate idea whether it's happened before. Even if a lot of Roger's on-air answers to Bob's "How many times has this happened?" were made up on the spot, the fact is that Roger would have known where to find the accurate answer if he wanted to, and I'm not sure anyone there now does (knows, or wants to). The current personnel may not care about the difference between "This hasn't happened since I've been working here" and "This has never happened."

After thinking about this for a couple of days...y'know, even if there had been something fishy (and there clearly wasn't), all this really cost the show was an extra daytime Showcase of about $30,000. Roughly the same amount as the free Plinko money given away because of the staging error earlier this season. I wonder why there's such a furor about cheating/rigging/S&P now, and not when two people won $1 million each on the MDS's with less accurate bids.

John
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Otm Shank on December 19, 2008, 09:35:22 AM
Having now perused the show a bit, did anybody notice that they avoided shooting me at all during the one-bids?... They always cut back to Drew when the bidder in the #3 position bid and then had a close up of the bidder in the #4 position.  Perhaps they knew ahead of time that I was a "ringer" as it were and avoided showing me giving any perfect bids on the air.  But it had been over two years since I had been there, so I kind of doubt that.

I wanted to get back to this point, several pages back. When I saw this on TV (standard def), Ted was deliberately cropped out of the picture when Contestant 4 bid. However, the online (16:9) version showed none of these edits. So it was obviously done in post-production. My question is, what kind of message is being sent to "us" by having these time-consuming edits made in post?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: promchf on December 19, 2008, 12:57:53 PM
I posted these comments on another post, but wanted to see if anyone has e-mailed Roger to get his comments / reaction on the EXACTA. I went to his website and saw nothing on his blog. I was tempted to send him an e-mail, but I wanted to see if any other G-N'er's have send him an e-mail before I send him one. I would like to know how he would of handled this situation as I believe he was hired after the first EXACTA.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: pricefan18 on December 19, 2008, 01:35:16 PM
Another excerpt from the article:
Of all the things that are mentioned in the article, this is a glaring error.  ...

These days rigging in TV like that wouldn't surprise me. Not saying this is, but just in general what we see and hear on TV generally isn't what it may seem. Though if what this person saw at Card Sharks was true, (whether it is or not I won't make judgment on), it would seem as though it would be hard to get away with during a taping.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on December 19, 2008, 08:40:55 PM
I'd like to point out something that either got lost in the shuffle or never even got posted here (there's been so much said over the last few days that I can't even remember which) -- I thought for sure I'd seen that the first perfect bid was on a James episode, but That Don Guy, who I've always found to have a pretty good memory about these things, swears up and down that it was on the daytime show, sometime in 1973 or early 1974.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: whinbaby on December 21, 2008, 08:38:48 PM
Game #49 (#6,970)

Showcase #1
Karaoke Machine - $1,000
Pool Table - $2,800
Trailer - $19,943

Showcase #2
Trip to Chicago - $3,281
Trip to Banff - $3,778
Trip to Edinburgh - $11,697
Trip to Capetown - $12,263

Total show prize value:  $140,326 (25 prizes)

Your Modeling Scorecard for November 27, 2008
Daily Records
High:  $90,257 (Tamiko Nash, 2007)
Low:  $15,783 (Nikki Ziering, 2000)

Gabrielle Tuite
November 27
Total dollars:  $40,416
($26,416 won, $14,000 lost)
Total prizes:  5 (4-1)
Cars, Trips: 1, 0

After 14 shows
Total dollars:  $767,635
($288,878 won, $478,757 lost)
Total prizes:  114 (68-38)
Cars, Trips: 15, 5 (6-9, 2-3)

Phire Dawson
November 27
Total dollars:  $63,910
($45,516 won, $18,394 lost)
Total prizes:  10 (7-3)
Cars, Trips: 1, 2

After 12 shows
Total dollars:  $621,425
($320,246 won, $301,179 lost)
Total prizes:  103 (70-33)
Cars, Trips: 11, 6 (3-8, 3-3)

Amber Lancaster
November 27
Total dollars:  $54,977
($52,098 won, $2,879 lost)
Total prizes:  7 (6-1)
Cars, Trips:  1, 2

After 13 shows
Total dollars:  $697,677
($392,082 won, $305,595 lost)
Total prizes:  111 (81-30)
Cars, Trips:  13, 10 (7-6, 7-3)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PaladinTornado on December 21, 2008, 10:44:50 PM
I have missed very little of the past three seasons, but on Tuesday, I had a 12:00 exam and stopped watching right after the second SCSD...d'oh!  I figured that it would just be more crazy showcases, so decided not to watch the rest of the show online.

Imagine my surprise yesterday when I checked G-R.net for the first time since Tuesday.   :-(

An exciting time to be sure, but Drew's lack of enthusiasm is a shame.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveEllis on December 22, 2008, 05:10:55 AM
LINK: News coverage (http://www.startribune.com/entertainment/tv/36375364.html?elr=KArksLckD8EQDUoaEyqyP4O:DW3ckUiD3aPc:_Yyc:aUnciatkEP7DhUsr) mentioning Ted and G-R.net

Reader comments:

"...win your own showcase showdown."

"I believe if you guess within $500, you win both."
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: PressYourLuck444 on December 22, 2008, 03:02:13 PM
Well, I will first bring up one showcase in from the early 90's I can remember in particular where the price of the showcase that included a Mercury Tracer four-door was exactly $16,000 (I believe the male contestant was military--navy, i think?).  The contestant happened to bid $14,500, but he could have ended up being on the nose.  I'm sure Standards and Practices (I'm assuming there is still such a department) went over this with a fine tooth comb, and I don't doubt they made sure there was no funny business before they aired the episode.  You know, I've often wondered why they always bid using such round numbers when the showcases are never round numbers (with the exception on the one I remeber) to beign with, but that's just me, I guess.  If it took 36 years for that to happen, I dare say we can talk about this again in 36 years and get a laugh.

Now that I know Ted helped, I don't change my feelings.  If Ted knew the exact prices, which I used to be able to do on some things way back when I was a teenager and in my 20's (We all remeber the $888 recycling cabinet, which then became $920, then went up to something like $980, or the $13,355 stripped down mid 90's white Chevy Cavalier, or the $7,065 late 70's Ford LTD 4-door in white..don't we?), and someone listened to him, so what?  I agree with a lot of the posts.  Either ban people like Ted (which is silly and unnecessary, not to mention unfair) or accept the once every 36 years it happens.   Once S&P gives he thumbs up, get over it.  It's a trailer, not all of the government's secrets!!! 

Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: wrikent3500 on December 23, 2008, 05:51:13 PM
Uh...and isn`t TMZ dist by Warner Bros.
Who just happens to own a CW Sunday Night show...The Drew Carey Show...
Just think the word Dis comes to mind
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: upperclasstwit on December 26, 2008, 11:47:39 PM
I didn't see this episode. What was drew's trash can enterence?
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: mrbrown2195 on December 27, 2008, 12:03:31 AM
He pushed a trash can through the big doors before coming out.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: wrikent3500 on December 29, 2008, 07:04:27 PM
A subtle hint of where he`d like to see fremantel execs go? :-D
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: WarioBarker on December 30, 2008, 12:17:54 PM
I thought for sure I'd seen that the first perfect bid was on a James episode but That Don Guy, who I've always found to have a pretty good memory about these things, swears up and down that it was on the daytime show, sometime in 1973 or early 1974.

I posted over in http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9639.15.html (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9639.15.html) that in J-Shea's music cues section Cue 16 (a closing of a James episode) has him making comments about...well, I'll just post what I quoted over there -

Quote from: Dennis James audio clip (Cue 16)
Actual retail price is $13,123! Can you believe that one? ... Can you believe-I can't believe it. Now that's the first time THAT'S ever happened, too! Dennis James saying don't miss the show next week...


...Now obviously that's a history-making moment which sounds (due to James' reaction and the audience's going nuts) like a Perfect Bid. It's not the Showcase tie since Johnny signs off for "The Price is Right"...unless the last episodes of Season 1 had the name change.

Thus, I will stake this as being the first Perfect Bid.

Or maybe there's something we're all overlooking - Maybe it happened on both versions in the 70's.

Just a thought, Steve. It would explain your source above and justify Dennis/the audience's reaction in this clip...although if that turns out to be the case (that it happened with both Dennis and Bob) then there's the inevitable wonderful question of "Which came first?"
-Daniel

(And as an aside - and so sorry if I'm out of the loop - but who's "That Don Guy"?)
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: sharks on December 31, 2008, 07:28:11 PM
Exactly how is what he did cheating? Practicing to gain an advantage is not cheating. That is the point of practicing. In this case, that practice came in the form of constantly watching the show.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: someguy95 on January 01, 2009, 02:03:12 AM
Not for him, sharky, he didn't cheat, but he didn't come up with that bid himself, either.

And Daniel, yes, the show's title changed to "The Price is Right" in early-to-mid 1973, about halfway through Season 1.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on January 01, 2009, 02:07:42 AM
Actually, it was on the June 26, 1973 episode -- considerably farther than halfway through the season.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: someguy95 on January 01, 2009, 02:09:31 AM
Okay, but still Season 1.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: WarioBarker on January 01, 2009, 06:09:46 PM
Actually, it was on the June 26, 1973 episode -- considerably farther than halfway through the season.

And far, far too late for the nighttime show to change its title for Season 1.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Shredder on January 02, 2009, 12:40:29 AM
I'm going to read most, if not all 16 pages tommorow, but I just wanted to say this...


The good this season:
More Rich on Camera.
A Set number of regular models and familly atmosphere.

The bad:
Same games being played over and over again.
And now, finally added to that list, Drew Carey.

I've been refusing to Bash Drew up in the hopes that he would improve over time.  But he went from good and excited in the begining (minus a few nervous hand gestures),
to being almost like a Ben Stein Clone....with no emotion or effort at all being put into it.   He doesn't care to read all the rules, or makes fun of them..which could be annoying to
the new viewers he seems to be bringing in. 

But the final straw was seeing the exact bid reveal on youtube. I havn't watched the show in a month now thanks to the performance, or lack there of, of Drew Carey.

Drew, either get your emotional act together, or please go find another job.  Price is Right has lasted almost 38 years now, and we don't want you to get it canceled
in 2.


Quick edit - did a bit more reading.  Didn't know there was a 50 minute break to the reveal...but still...
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Todd on January 02, 2009, 12:53:16 AM
But the final straw was seeing the exact bid reveal on youtube. I havn't watched the show in a month now thanks to the performance, or lack there of, of Drew Carey.

That's a shame because the show as gotten a lot better since then.

Quick edit - did a bit more reading.  Didn't know there was a 50 minute break to the reveal...but still...

There wasn't.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Kitch on July 09, 2009, 11:29:40 AM
I apologize for the thread resurrection, but I just want to add my two cents to this before we go on to Season 38.

I know my opinion is likely in the minority, but I had no problem with how Drew did the reveal for the exacta. In fact, I think it was brilliant. By this point, we'd already had two :dsw:s. I think it was fresh to take such a big moment so non-chalant. He couldn't reveal any excitement about the exact match.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: SteveGavazzi on July 09, 2009, 11:37:57 AM
I know my opinion is likely in the minority, but I had no problem with how Drew did the reveal for the exacta. In fact, I think it was brilliant. By this point, we'd already had two :dsw:s. I think it was fresh to take such a big moment so non-chalant. He couldn't reveal any excitement about the exact match.

Well, then with all due respect, you are wrong.  Treating the best bid in the history of the show as though it were a boring, everyday occurrence is about as far from "brilliant" as you can get.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: TVLubber on July 09, 2009, 02:22:24 PM
When I first saw that, I was so excited about that bid on the nose, I totally ignored Drew's low reaction to it.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rodroddyfan on July 09, 2009, 10:09:43 PM
Ok wait a minute, when did this show get rerun.  Yesterdays was the st pattys day and todays was the earth day.  Did I miss something.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: leafsfan17 on July 09, 2009, 10:11:14 PM
Ok wait a minute, when did this show get rerun.  Yesterdays was the st pattys day and todays was the earth day.  Did I miss something.
You did not miss anything. As far as we know, CBS does not plan to rerun this episode, although I wish they would.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: rodroddyfan on July 09, 2009, 10:13:42 PM
You did not miss anything. As far as we know, CBS does not plan to rerun this episode, although I wish they would.

Oh ok.  I almost thought I had missed something.  But I just realized someone must have been just going through the recaps and stumbled upon this thread.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: goldroadfanatic on July 09, 2009, 10:15:26 PM
Ok wait a minute, when did this show get rerun.  Yesterdays was the st pattys day and todays was the earth day.  Did I miss something.

Some of the highlights can be found here (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9646.0.html) and the controversial showcase reveal here (http://www.golden-road.net/index.php/topic,9639.0.html).
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Walktheroad2 on June 24, 2018, 05:55:09 PM
Great documentary about this is now on YouTube called Perfect Bid.
Title: Re: FULL RECAP - TPiR 12/16/2008
Post by: Walktheroad2 on June 24, 2018, 06:21:28 PM
Great documentary about this is now on YouTube called Perfect Bid.

YouTube link won't show but it's easily available on youtube