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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #30 on: July 02, 2025, 08:15:38 PM »
I remember us discussing this playing in the recap thread...oh, God, 23 years ago.  It was pretty obvious to us back then that all the fun parts of the game had been edited in...looking at it now, they must have realized early on that the game was broken and signaled to Bob that he should just power through the gameplay with help from offstage.  They honestly did a good job making Bob's movements sync up between the "live" portions and the edits.

(Also, is it bad that after I read the summary, I knew without watching the video that the second item was Flintstone's Chewables?)
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #31 on: July 03, 2025, 12:17:12 AM »
To my eyes, it wasn't really edited to pieces -- the only three edits were the three close-ups of Bob pressing a button and the camera following the chase lights up to a flap opening. And those were simply silent video clips placed under the audio from the original playing.

If you listen to the audio alone without watching the video, it all makes sense. We know the chase light sound effect is being played manually. So when Bob pressed the first button, the sound effects operator played the sound effect. Upon seeing that the lights weren't working, they hit the buzzer at the end of the sound effect anyway -- they had already been signaled that $2.80 was wrong and the show must go on. Bob, expecting the flap to open, repeated "I believe" as the sound effects operator pressed the buzzer again to let him know that despite the flap not opening, that choice was incorrect. Bob heard the buzzer and repeated "You're wrong" to establish that even though nothing happened, the eggs weren't $2.80.

At that point, everybody on the staff and crew understood that they'd be playing the rest of the game with a broken board -- they knew what the right answers were; they could finish without the flaps opening. Bob continued to go through the motions of pressing buttons, and the sound effects operator just played the appropriate sound effect after the chase noise finished. Note the slight delay of Bob confirming the two correct answers -- it doesn't make sense if you watch the video, but if you close your eyes and listen for the sound effect like everybody in the studio was doing, the timing feels completely natural.

Either after the show went to commercial or possibly after the credits rolled, the crew got the board working properly and then they shot the pickups of Bob pressing each button successfully. I agree that the edits sync pretty well (although they needed a little extra bit of footage of Bob's hand just hanging out next to the $2.80 button before pressing it in order to cover the live-in-studio shot).
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #32 on: July 03, 2025, 01:33:03 AM »
That makes tons more sense, thanks!

My initial theory was something like "another wrong answer misrevealed along with $2.80, which for some reason required the game to be reset", but that obviously didn't add up for a number of reasons. That's honestly quite impressive how well they could pull that off in studio with just the audio.

It's still a little funny that $2.19 (and only $2.19) triggered during the winner's celebration.
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #33 on: July 03, 2025, 02:45:38 AM »
Loving the new gallery! Is the full episode of 2/21/02 up anywhere for viewing?
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #34 on: August 26, 2025, 10:36:15 AM »
A bunch of under-the-hood adjustments have been made, including optimizing a ton of the photo and gif playbacks and some fixes to help with searches & Google indexing.

In addition, we have a BIG new page...

https://golden-gallery.net/tiny-timeline/late-70s-hour-power/

Featuring the what's and whys of the hourlong expansion, a season-by-season look at how TPIR became more competitive against its rivals on NBC & ABC, a recap of some of the most memorable contestants of the 70s, and more! This was pretty painstakingly researched, and a lot of feedback was contributed, but hopefully you enjoy this walk down memory lane. As always, if there's anything that's inaccurate or needs revising, please speak up here.

A new batch of pricing games will be coming sooner rather than later.

Loving the new gallery! Is the full episode of 2/21/02 up anywhere for viewing?

Nearly every screencap links to its source by clicking the date (which is part of why these take so long to make!)
Quote from: Bill Todman
"The sign of a good game, is when you don't have to explain it every day. The key is not simplicity, but apparent simplicity. Password looks like any idiot could have made it up, but we have 14 of our people working on that show. There is a great complexity behind the screen. It requires great work to keep it simple."

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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #35 on: August 28, 2025, 11:55:44 AM »
As always, love the detail and context around everything! It's so easy, as someone who started watching in the '90s, to see TPIR as a fully-formed hour-long object right out of the gates, but the timeline really helps show everything that made the show what it has become! Great stuff.

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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2025, 12:04:29 PM »
As always, love the detail and context around everything! It's so easy, as someone who started watching in the '90s, to see TPIR as a fully-formed hour-long object right out of the gates, but the timeline really helps show everything that made the show what it has become! Great stuff.
I actually starting watching in 1972 and I still appreciate all of the details and capturing all of this history so accurately. Thank you!

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« Reply #37 on: August 30, 2025, 06:11:27 PM »
I’ll echo JT’s sentiments — gamesurf’s attention to details, and talents to document all of this amazing show history in an updated visual format, is both impressive and much appreciated.
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« Reply #38 on: September 03, 2025, 04:49:10 PM »
Thanks for the kind words! This definitely wouldn't exist without generations of TPIR fans that have come before. This stands on the shoulders of giants.

There's a small team of people (forum members you all probably know) working with me to help source video, fact-check, and make sure key playings are covered; contributors are listed on the About page. The "Hour Power" page in particular went out to about a half dozen members who had helpful notes and revisions. None of this attention to detail would be possible without this community.

In addition, Alfonzo in particular has been a big help on this recent batch of pricing games in the writing, sourcing, & structuring department. Without his help these new pages would have taken much longer to come together.

Oh, yeah, speaking of new pages...

https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/now-or-then/
https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/super-ball/
https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/hit-me/
https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/check-game/
https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/check-out/
https://golden-gallery.net/ggg/pick-a-pair/

There's Mohini and Yvonne. There's some miming that may have gotten the Check-Out calculator retired. There's Bob learning to deal blackjack on the job. And there's cheese.

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Quote from: Bill Todman
"The sign of a good game, is when you don't have to explain it every day. The key is not simplicity, but apparent simplicity. Password looks like any idiot could have made it up, but we have 14 of our people working on that show. There is a great complexity behind the screen. It requires great work to keep it simple."

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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #39 on: September 03, 2025, 05:51:46 PM »
Happy to be of service! I'm having a blast doing this!
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #40 on: September 03, 2025, 06:03:55 PM »
I like that in the early Super Ball pictures, you can easily see the camera positioned behind the board (before they placed some loose black fabric back there to help conceal the camera).

The origin of the little ".50" card on the side of Check-Out is that when the game was created, the plan was for the range to change from playing to playing based on the products being used (there were originally three ranges, and while I've forgotten the third, I know 50¢ and $1.00 were two of them) -- the card would inform everybody what the range was that day. But I guess after enough playings where 50¢ was the most appropriate range, they decided to scrap that plan and they made the range consistent.

I do have to make one correction: Check Game was not removed from the rotation because it couldn't fit on the redesigned turntable. It could fit just fine. It was removed because one of the higher-ups on the staff (I don't know whom; I was simply informed the game was taking a break) didn't like it. No one wanted to commit to fully throwing the game out, though, so it remained in storage for years until the decision was made to bring the game back with a slightly modified board. Here's a picture from 2011 of the game in place so everybody could remember what it looked like while they decided whether it was worth keeping around.
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #41 on: September 03, 2025, 06:24:11 PM »
Thanks so much for the info, Scott. I've always been happy we have a former staff member on hand here to help fill in the gaps from behind the scenes of the show. 😃
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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #42 on: September 03, 2025, 09:29:07 PM »
     I believe I read somewhere online once that 75 cents was the third Check-Out range.

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Re: Golden-Gallery.net: Documenting TPIR through the years
« Reply #43 on: September 04, 2025, 08:08:59 AM »
I like that in the early Super Ball pictures, you can easily see the camera positioned behind the board (before they placed some loose black fabric back there to help conceal the camera).

I was never as big of a fan of Super Ball as a lot of people are, but the blocking on that game is really amazing when you remember they only had four cable-tethered cameras to work with, and one was basically locked down behind the board to get the contestant close-up.

Now that I think of it, was there any other game that used all three doors and the turntable and center stage at the same time?

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« Reply #44 on: September 04, 2025, 10:22:25 AM »
These are great additions!  Super Ball!! will always hold a special place in my heart because I was in the audience back in 1987 to enjoy the infamous Yvonne fiasco in person!  Additionally, I recall an early playing of Super Ball that featured a Roadster automobile in Door #3 making the Super Ball prize package worth over $15,000 which was unheard of in the early 80s.  Does anyone have any information to validate this? I realize it was 40+ years ago!  Thank you!