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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: LarryC on November 01, 2006, 09:08:09 AM
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With Bob retiring, shouldn't Game Show Network work really hard over the next 8 months to get back the rights to re-run classic TPIR episodes?
That's quite a library -- 35 seasons' worth of shows! And GSN should be running them morning, noon and night.
"Classic TPIR starring Bob Barker!" Get with it, GSN!
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I think I read in an older thread that GSN can only get rights when TPiR stops running altogether.
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I want these shows back on. If not GSN, then CBS themselves need to air them. Even if it's once a week, it'll still keep me from suffering from total Bob withdrawals.
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Most certainly. Maybe during summer reruns.
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I was under the impression that Fremantle and CBS were afraid that reruns would hurt the ratings of the regular daytime show. It seems like that would go double with a new host.
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That's the story I've heard, which is why they won't give GSN the rights to air them. But still, even 1 episode a week on a weekend evening time slot wouldn't hurt. I'd still watch the daytime show regardless.
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I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
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I can't imagine any circumstances under which CBS would allow reruns on GSN immediately after Bob retires. That would only invite people to make comparisons (most likely negative) between Barker and the new host.
It's kind of the inverse of what NBC did with David Letterman. During the interim between him and Conan, they ran a bunch of first-season episodes of Late Night, back before the show was really in its groove. It was almost as if to say, "Don't be upset if the new guy isn't very good... Dave wasn't at first, either!"
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TV Favorites wrote:
I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
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Do you think CBS might continue running episodes of the show after it officially goes off the air--obviously not in the same time slot, but still sometime earlier in the morning--under a "Classic Price" banner, similar in nature to PBS's continual airings of Mr. Rogers episodes (at least from 1979 on) today?
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In some of Tuesday's articles they explain why exactly GSN is not allowed to air the repeats. Of course it's because of the furs that used to be offered. But I think Bob had either signed some sort of contract or threatened them with lawsuits if they showed the episodes. I think that's what some of the articles said.
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catdogwheel wrote:
In some of Tuesday's articles they explain why exactly GSN is not allowed to air the repeats. Of course it's because of the furs that used to be offered. But I think Bob had either signed some sort of contract or threatened them with lawsuits if they showed the episodes. I think that's what some of the articles said.
I would stake money that you misread that. The furs are the reason that episodes with furs in them can't be aired. They haven nothing to do with the rest of the run.
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This does raise an interesting question... MGP/Fremantle obviously wasn't going to air fur episodes against Bob's will because they didn't want Bob to quit. Presumably, it was also a condition he put into his contract. When Bob retires (and Fremantle no longer has a contractual relationship with him), are they still required in some way to abide by his wishes?
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I think they would still have to abide by his wishes. Remember that if GSN/Fremantle/etc. refused to honor his wishes not to have fur episodes be shown, then Bob could refuse to clear any of his TPiR appearances to air.
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TV Favorites wrote:
Remember that if GSN/Fremantle/etc. refused to honor his wishes not to have fur episodes be shown, then Bob could refuse to clear any of his TPiR appearances to air.
Not necessarily... it depends on what's in his contract. That's why I'm asking the question. :-)
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I am just thinking about all of those reruns of Match Game, Super Password, and other shows with celebrity appearances where we will often miss a whole week of shows in the rerun cycle due to a certain celebrity not clearing their appearance on the show. Seems to me that Bob could do the same thing on TPiR. Several other hosts come to mind that have kept their shows from rerunning; Chuck Henry comes to mind, keeping his version of "Now You See It" off the air.
Of course, perhaps because Bob has once cleared appearances back when GSN used to rerun TPiR, maybe there won't be much he can do about it.
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Hades1981 wrote:
TV Favorites wrote:
I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
Why are you so opposed to them even trying a new host?
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Now lets just say GSN does get back the rights to air TPIR, would they be able to show the episodes with Holly and Dian in them??? I was wondering!
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Hades1981 wrote:
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
They are not going to end the show just because Bob is leaving.
Too much of CBS's success in daytime is tied into the springboard that 'Price' gives its affiliates. You can't be that sentimental when you're a television executive looking at ratings...that's just the way it is.
What could be good for fans of the show is that because CBS wants the show to continue to do well, they should be heaping lots of pressure on Fremantle not to make huge, sweeping changes, but to make the show as watchable as it has been all these years. In that respect, CBS could be our biggest ally here.
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Why not start a TPIR channel? Might sound crazy, but GSN has sat on their cans(and Sony and CBS and other other party involved in this) for 6 1/2 years now. Time to see shows of the past that some people may have never saw. It would probably work out to be like a 20 hr a day network(similar to GSN) and run all versions(Dennis James, Tom Kennedy, and Doug Davidson's could air once a week).
Until then, I hope people keep putting the classics on youtube. And I wouldn't give a rat's behind about youtube trying to pull it off for copyright issues either.
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I don't know the details of the business arrangement between Fremantle (the vendor) and CBS (the client), but the Network appears to have veto power over TPIR reruns on GSN. Didn't Les Moonves once express concern about diluting the property through overexposure?
I'd much prefer to see episodes from the 1970s than the current product ... but perhaps that's one reason why CBS currently opposes the airing of reruns on a competing channel.
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Maybe the occasional furless "classic" show could air on one of the CBS/Viacom/Paramount-owned channels like TV Land or Nick at Nite.
John
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urbanpreppie0004 wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
TV Favorites wrote:
I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
Why are you so opposed to them even trying a new host?
Because I happen to have my own opinion, and that opinion is that nobody can do a better job or even a comparable job of hosting TPIR than Bob. That's why.
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br wrote:
Until then, I hope people keep putting the classics on youtube. And I wouldn't give a rat's behind about youtube trying to pull it off for copyright issues either.
Technically, YouTube doesn't pull clips from "The Price is Right" because of their "partnership" with CBS. Until GSN gets the rights to air TPiR back, I would REALLY enjoy the "classic" clips on YouTube.
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Hades1981 wrote:
urbanpreppie0004 wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
TV Favorites wrote:
I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
Why are you so opposed to them even trying a new host?
Because I happen to have my own opinion, and that opinion is that nobody can do a better job or even a comparable job of hosting TPIR than Bob. That's why.
So you're going to forget about Tom Kennedy, Dennis James, Bruce Forsyth, and Larry Emdur? No offense, but I think you're being a bit narrow-minded here. Sure, none of them aren't Bob, but each of them brought their own style to the show. And with the exception of Tom Kennedy, each of them were successful with TPIR.
Besides...If TPIR goes off, we all know what it will be replaced with- another low-rated talk/judge show. And I don't think anyone wants that!
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Don't forget to put Leslie Crowther on that list.
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urbanpreppie0004 wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
urbanpreppie0004 wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
TV Favorites wrote:
I think now it would be harder than ever for GSN to get the reruns to classic TPIR. Just think, if CBS was afraid GSN reruns would hurt first run ratings with Bob, think about how bad they COULD be without Bob being on the show first run. I really believe we won't see the classic TPIR reruns on GSN until the first run show goes off the air.
Even more reason that CBS should end the show in June when Bob leaves rather than running the risk of having a new host cause a ratings dive.
Why are you so opposed to them even trying a new host?
Because I happen to have my own opinion, and that opinion is that nobody can do a better job or even a comparable job of hosting TPIR than Bob. That's why.
So you're going to forget about Tom Kennedy, Dennis James, Bruce Forsyth, and Larry Emdur? No offense, but I think you're being a bit narrow-minded here. Sure, none of them aren't Bob, but each of them brought their own style to the show. And with the exception of Tom Kennedy, each of them were successful with TPIR.
Besides...If TPIR goes off, we all know what it will be replaced with- another low-rated talk/judge show. And I don't think anyone wants that!
I'm not being narrow minded. Tom Kennedy did a fantastic job hosting TPIR but he's in Bob's age range so it would not be possible for him to come back. If this was 20 years ago then Tom would be the first person I would choose to replace Bob. My opinion is that no host alive or younger than Bob's generation could do a better job than him.
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JohnHolder wrote:
Maybe the occasional furless "classic" show could air on one of the CBS/Viacom/Paramount-owned channels like TV Land or Nick at Nite.
John
Good luck with that. Viacom/Paramount/MTV Networks are now entirely separate properties from CBS.
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If GSN can't rerun old episodes of TPIR, I wonder if they could show episodes of another show Bob hosted, "Truth or Consequences"?
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Hades1981 wrote:
I'm not being narrow minded. Tom Kennedy did a fantastic job hosting TPIR but he's in Bob's age range so it would not be possible for him to come back. If this was 20 years ago then Tom would be the first person I would choose to replace Bob. My opinion is that no host alive or younger than Bob's generation could do a better job than him.
I think his point was that if Tom Kennedy could pull it off 20 years ago, why can't some new host do it today? Might as well try, right?
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PriceFanArmadillo wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
I'm not being narrow minded. Tom Kennedy did a fantastic job hosting TPIR but he's in Bob's age range so it would not be possible for him to come back. If this was 20 years ago then Tom would be the first person I would choose to replace Bob. My opinion is that no host alive or younger than Bob's generation could do a better job than him.
I think his point was that if Tom Kennedy could pull it off 20 years ago, why can't some new host do it today? Might as well try, right?
Again, my point is why bother? Nobody can host it like Bob, so better for CBS to end the show on top rather than having a new host screw it up royally.
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Hades1981 wrote:
PriceFanArmadillo wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
I'm not being narrow minded. Tom Kennedy did a fantastic job hosting TPIR but he's in Bob's age range so it would not be possible for him to come back. If this was 20 years ago then Tom would be the first person I would choose to replace Bob. My opinion is that no host alive or younger than Bob's generation could do a better job than him.
I think his point was that if Tom Kennedy could pull it off 20 years ago, why can't some new host do it today? Might as well try, right?
Again, my point is why bother? Nobody can host it like Bob, so better for CBS to end the show on top rather than having a new host screw it up royally.
Seems to me your point is actually, "I'm ignoring everybody else's points because I don't like them."
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Hades1981 wrote:
PriceFanArmadillo wrote:
Hades1981 wrote:
I'm not being narrow minded. Tom Kennedy did a fantastic job hosting TPIR but he's in Bob's age range so it would not be possible for him to come back. If this was 20 years ago then Tom would be the first person I would choose to replace Bob. My opinion is that no host alive or younger than Bob's generation could do a better job than him.
I think his point was that if Tom Kennedy could pull it off 20 years ago, why can't some new host do it today? Might as well try, right?
Again, my point is why bother? Nobody can host it like Bob, so better for CBS to end the show on top rather than having a new host screw it up royally.
What it ultimately comes down to is how the new host (yes, a new one, get used to it) makes the show his own. Dennis made it his own from Bob. Tom Kennedy made it his own from Bob. Bruce Forsythe, Joe Pasquale, Larry Emdur, and Leslie Crowther all made the show their own...in fact, Bob ALSO made the new show in a different style than his predecessor, Bill Cullen.
Hades1981, I think you (and everyone else whos making assumptions on the new host) should give the new guy a chance...they may not "screw it up royally."