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Studio 33 - Price is Right Discussion => The TALK Is Right => Topic started by: urbanpreppie0004 on July 25, 2017, 11:11:05 AM
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This one has been bugging me for awhile, and I didn't want to respond and be snarky and mean about it, so I waited before i drafter this post....
Why is this term still being used in the FAQ section?
1. Barker hasn't been host for 10 years now.
2. Drew uses the term "Price is right models"
3. When the term was used, it was strictly for the female models, we've now had two male models
4. (and most importantly)- it's a rather sexist and objectifying term for women. Since the show got away from the term, I see the models more individually than as a collective group.
I for one, think we need to stop using this phrase...what do you think?
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I agree. And I'll add that continuing to use the term otherwise makes it painfully obvious that certain individuals here can't fully let go of the past.
If you're referring to the Barker era, the term "Barker's Beauties" should apply. Otherwise, the term "models" should be used.
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I have no problem with "Barker's Beauties" for references up until 2007 during Barker's tenure as host. After that point, just the generic term "models" should be used.
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If the one person who has literally poured hours upon hours of his time into maintaining the FAQ for all these many years wants to use a particular terminology for the sake of tradition, then that's his prerogative.
Given that the show itself has no direct affiliation with this site, political correctness isn't something that always has to be strictly followed here, and it's quite probable Marc and John feel the same way. If you disagree, that's totally fine, and you are more than welcome to use whichever terminology you prefer. However, the FAQ is Steve's baby, and it's his to maintain in whichever way he sees fit.
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Why is this term still being used in the FAQ section?
Because that's their name.
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Because that's their name.
Not since 2007.
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Not since 2007.
Drew not saying it does not make it not be the name.
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Drew not saying it does not make it not be the name.
Bob not being there does not make it be the name.
I expect you won't accept that, and that's your prerogative. But just because you say so, doesn't mean it is so.
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Before this gets too crazy I'll just ask a few questions because I honestly don't know the answers and I'm sure a lot of other people don't either so I'd like to see what someone who actually does know has to say about it.
Was it ever an official name to begin with as opposed to something Bob came up with and just became the accepted term?
If the answer to the above is yes, then is the term "Barker's Beauties" is still considered an official name by the staff, production company, and/or the network?
Do we have 100% concrete evidence to support the answers to either of the previous questions?
Opinion time: If it's not their official title, then I personally wouldn't use that term anymore if I were in charge of the FAQ. If it is, then keep would keep it. However, since I'm not in charge of that and Steve is, I would not take the least bit of issue in keeping it for the sake of tradition should it in fact not be an official term anymore.
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Bob not being there does not make it be the name.
...okay, I'm not sure what you meant to say here, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't it. That statement actually supports my position, not yours.
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...okay, I'm not sure what you meant to say here, but I'm pretty sure this wasn't it. That statement actually supports my position, not yours.
I'm pretty sure you did know what I mean.
Bob is not there anymore. No one named Barker is hosting the show. Conclusion: There are no more "Barker's Beauties."
I have no problem referring to those models that worked in Bob's era that way, because they were known on the air that way, particularly in an FAQ about the history of the show. But the models are not referred to by that name anymore. They haven't been in 10 years. There are models listed as Barker's Beauties in the FAQ who never worked with Bob. They are not Barker's Beauties, no matter how you try to wordsmith around it.
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There are models listed as Barker's Beauties in the FAQ who never worked with Bob. They are not Barker's Beauties, no matter how you try to wordsmith around it.
Are you implying that they aren't members of the same group as those who did work with Bob?
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Are you implying that they aren't members of the same group as those who did work with Bob?
I'm stating it outright.
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I'm stating it outright.
Well, I thought I was going to have a chance to out-wordsmith you here (Do not mock my wordsmithery. I thrive on wordsmithery.)...but honestly, this response is just plain stupid.
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If the one person who has literally poured hours upon hours of his time into maintaining the FAQ for all these many years wants to use a particular terminology for the sake of tradition, then that's his prerogative.
Not if it's supposed to be a factual reference.
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Carey's Beauties doesn't sound like a good name either
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Not if it's supposed to be a factual reference.
It is a factual reference. The models were referred to as "Barker's Beauties" on air until Bob retired. Continuing to refer to them as such in a fan-managed FAQ that, again, has no official tie to the show is not the atrocious transgression some are making it out to be.
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Carey's Beauties doesn't sound like a good name either
Carey's Cuties would work, and it would cover the guys, too.
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Steve has connections to the backstage workings of TPIR that the rest of us will simply never have. If he says the models are still officially called "Barker's Beauties" then they are. He would know. I'm guessing they are still referred to as that in the scripts for each episode/taping.
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Carey's Cuties would work, and it would cover the guys, too.
Hmm... I guess it would. Barker's Beauties and Carey's Cuties. Alliteration always makes things catchy.
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Steve has connections to the backstage workings of TPIR that the rest of us will simply never have. If he says the models are still officially called "Barker's Beauties" then they are. He would know. I'm guessing they are still referred to as that in the scripts for each episode/taping.
I'd strongly guess that you are very wrong about at least half of this.
Ask yourself a question: Why on Earth would the show refer to the models as "Barker's Beauties" on a casting sheet (they don't and probably never ever did) when any on air reference to Bob has been removed, save the name of the studio in the intro? The games with his names are either retired or renamed. Redesigning a game costs a heck of a lot more money than text on a piece of paper.
How hard is it to accept that it was just a nickname Bob used for the models, and it went out of existence the day he retired?
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Steve has connections to the backstage workings of TPIR that the rest of us will simply never have. If he says the models are still officially called "Barker's Beauties" then they are. He would know. I'm guessing they are still referred to as that in the scripts for each episode/taping.
Steve never said anything like that.
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My two cents.
It can be argued that it's the name of the position. Studio 33 is named Studio 33, but can be (and is) referred to the Bob Barker Studio because it was ceremonially named that. I'm at a lack of examples at this moment, but there are plenty of things, places, items, and positions that have an antiquated name because it remained in place after things changed.
That doesn't mean it's always a good thing. Names have changed because they were offensive or ill-fitting and I can see that case here. But honestly, isn't modelling in itself an objectifying action. The number of times James' shirtless body is referenced, or contestants looking for a kiss from Rachel or Amber. If you want to make everything right, drop the models, not just the name of what we call them in an FAQ section.
I think it's fine as a ceremonial name to refer to the current ones since so many references are made to Barker and this was also an iconic aspect of the show's canonization into television sainthood. But I'm also an awful human being, so...
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Bargain Game and Make Your Mark started out as Barker's Bargain Bar and Barker's Marker$, respectively, and then there was Trader Bob, a long-forgotten game from the 1980s, so I think it makes sense that the current models continue to be called Barker's Beauties, even if as an honorary title, as Rachel and Gwendolyn are the only two in the current group who worked under Bob while he still hosted the show. However, Drew is staking his own claim on the show, what with Carey's Card Club for the revamped Card Game, so Carey's Cuties may become a thing as well, but it doesn't have nearly the same ring as Barker's Beauties.
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Drew has had 10 years to call the models "Carey's Cuties" and he has not done so. Why would he start now? If anything, he's very careful to refer to the models by their full names throughout the show.
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Why so butthurt over a simple reference? It's no big deal. I guess some people have so much time on their hands. Carry on Steve with the good work you do.
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so Carey's Cuties may become a thing as well
It won't.
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Why so butthurt over a simple reference?
As much as I disagree with Isucgv, this is an incredibly inappropriate thing to say to him. Do not do this again.
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"Barker's Beauties" is a term that was largely considered acceptable in the early days of the show. Now, not so much. Calling people "beauties" (an objectification) rather than "models" (a job) is rather demeaning, as is using "Barker's" as a possessive, implying control or ownership. Since Drew took over, he's consciously tried to treat the models more as his equals, so I very much doubt he would approve of a similar term being used.
It was a different time, and we can accept that while also acknowledging that we shouldn't be holding onto a term like "Barker's Beauties" just because of tradition. And I think that continuing to use it, particularly when it's an easy change to make, is a pretty poor look.
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In the right circles, James could be a beauty.